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Tramadol & Ultram Recovery Room Part 47

Sep 17, 2011 - 246 comments
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Good Evening Tramadol Warriors,

Welcome to the Conversation.

When I came to withdraw from Tramadol, it was very hard to find anyone who was sharing that path. The War was fought alone for awhile. But then, others joined me and now we have the continuing Conversation.

This is the place to be to get off and stay off Tramadol.


Welcome Warriors!

Love & Healing,
Emily

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by legaljunky, Sep 19, 2011
Hi Emily- Congratulations for 1185 days and thanks for still being there for me!
I am on day 10 of no Tramadol and feeling flu-like and tired.  We have just come home from 4 very busy days and I got thru it just fine.  Brought no Tram with me and had no WiFi.  Couldn't wait to get home and get in touch with my Tram buddies, as no one else gets it. I can't imagine ever taking another Tram, but I know enough about addiction to know those are dangerous thoughts and I'm happy to be where I am for today.
I wish all my Tram buddies strength just for today!  We need each other!


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by legaljunky, Sep 20, 2011
Hi Tramadoc- I was reading thru some old posts and found you are concerned about weight gain.  Me too.
Mysteriously I lost 35 lbs. slowly over the past 2 years.  So wonderful! no effort!  Then my Dr. took me off the Tramadol I had been on for 2 years and along came addiction, withdrawal and this life saving forum.  And now I like food again so I assume I will have weight issues.  I had been in Overeaters Anonymous a few years ago, I'm pretty sure I was (am?) addicted to food so maybe OA is in my future.  But just like in any 12 step program, for me it is 1 day, 1 problem at a time.
I know you are struggling, Tramadoc, and I wish you and all of us acceptance of where we are right now and strength and courage throughout our fight.
For the moment I feel gratitude and triumphant! Day11 of 0 Tram!

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by legaljunky, Sep 20, 2011
Me again-  I was having trouble posting, the forum would not take my post and asked me to show my nickname and password and would not take them either. I phoned 415-882-4600 and they straightened it out for me.  The lady also said she had no record of this forum but was able to fix my problem.  I assume everyone is having this problem because I'm the only one posting!
I miss you all!

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by linkster, Sep 20, 2011
Hey legal so good to see u still in the fight. Thats great 11 days. Im on day 29 waiting on the big 30 hoping it will bring a greater plateau in my healing. I have to admit that the last few days have been rough to say the least. This stuff has hung on longer this time with the sleeplessness and tiredness. I am not craving anything at the moment but a good nights sleep and a day of normalcy and im sure that is just around the corner take care and stay strong

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by MrKenny, Sep 21, 2011
33 days Tram Free!
I read these posts everyday to see how everyone is doing. I don't post because i don't want to clutter the thread.
I am doing great, fantastic and wonderful....the only tram hangover is 'night sweats' and interesting 'vivid dreams'.

My father -in-law passed away Thursday from a long debilitating painful fight with emphysema; so we have been busy helping take care of things.........(Smokers, please quit.... It is cruel to make your loved ones have to participate in the ghastly ordeal of your slow painful death.)

Okay, On a brighter note!.........
Hang in there "tram fighters"; there really is a beautiful tomorrow!
If i can do it, anyone can do it.

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by legaljunky, Sep 21, 2011
Still happy to be off Tram! And still tired but a little better each day.

linkster- I hope day 30 brought you something new and wonderful!

MrKenny- I've read many posts about weird dreams on Tram but didn't make the connection for myself till you mentioned "interesting vivid dreams".  It suddenly dawned on me that during my Tram days I started talking in my sleep and waking myself up.  And now that I am in withdrawal the dreams are more weird. I talk and wake myself up, realize what I am dreaming isn't actually happening, I'm annoyed, go back to sleep and then it happens again. I think I'm beginning to understand more of Bob Dylan!

I know all of you are out there fighting the Tramfight with me- posting or reading- it's pointing us in the right direction and that's so exciting!



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by Jomasmomagain, Sep 21, 2011
Just wanted to check in on all the newbies and say congrats on finding this place. It has been a lifesaver for me! I tried to quite so many times and finally I had gotten to that point where enough was a enough! I can say, It does get better, It gets much better! I still struggle with the energy thing, but I have always had problems with that, so I don't think the trms are to blame for that.. A couple of weeks ago I had severe neck pain and tried to ride it out, after 4 days I finally went to the DR. He put me on vicodin. It still amazes me that I can now take something that use to never cause any kind of problem and now go through withdrawls after a weeks use. nothing horrible, just kind of down, some hot and cold sweats aand sleep not as good, but no where near the tramies sleeplessness....One thing is I had a few days of really thinking about taking some trams....When that happens I always come here and read what everyone is going through,s o I remember the hell I went through to get to where I am today..    Keep up the good work everyone.. It gets so much better and is so worth it....
Jomas mom again.....

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by legaljunky, Sep 22, 2011
Have to check in today and I have to say it was a good day, just a little tired and the sweats but maybe they are actually still hot flashes.  I just realized I had my first Tram free day on 9/10/11.  I was so emotional about 9/11 this year and I guess it was really depression of withdrawal, not the event.

We are traveling in our motor home for about a week beginning tomorrow and I don't know if I will have WiFi anywhere but I know I will not bring any Tram so I will be fine. My thoughts will be with all of you, my fellow Tram fighters- We will get past the awfuls and on to better things.

I remember the last 4 days I had tapered to 40mg of Tram a day and then the first 4 days of 0 Tram, how horrible I felt- hot sweats, knees and back ached, threw up once, had 1 whole day of diahrea, felt so strung out I couldn't do anything but laundry, so tired but restless legs when I wanted to sleep, the upset stomach and tummy ache, headache.  But having found this forum and what you all told me to expect I was ready to give myself over to this withdrawal hell because you were all here to help me get through it and I knew I would finally have my life back.  And I am just about there although I know I could have some setbacks, as many of you have.

Lets keep fighting- the rewards are inside us waiting to come out!

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by MrKenny, Sep 23, 2011
Legaljunky; everything you have gone through is normal, and your body is working perfectly. It just gets better with time.
Preparing for your trip, I would suggest getting rid of any Tram; as now you are off of it forever. There is no reason on Earth to keep any of it around. You are done with it.   Get rid of it.   You are clean now.

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by Okra, Sep 25, 2011
Hi all haven't posted I'n a while as moved bk I'n with mum as was struggling on my own. This week has been he'll. I hate not sleeping an the restless legs.
It's my first day tram free from tapering. Does anyone no wat I should expect this week. Will it be  just as bad as ct or should it be easier ?

Hope u all keeping strong. Sorry for your loss mr kenny, hope ur family stay strong an get through the awful pain of losing someone.

Take care x


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by TRAMMAN999, Sep 26, 2011
Enough is enough !

Some of you will know me from postings over the yeay.      A man of extremes.

Once again going to go through the trip COLD.
I know what to expect and when they happen  -  maybe that is worse than not knowing ?!
I'll be back after 6 days or so. CLEAN (hopefully!?)

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by honorbounddane, Sep 26, 2011
hello tram warriors,
iposted a comment on the other post but never got a response. so ill try this one, well i was on norcos 10 and i took too many and i didnt know what to do. so i cold turkey, way easier than trams. well in may i went to the doc and told him about my back, he gave me tramadol saying it wasnt addictive, well i ran out a couple times and it was hell. i tried to wean my self but couldnt get past 6, so i went to the doc last 2 thursdays. he gave me norco to get off the tram. so on saturday i could do it anymore, i did like this feeling of being in a fog. so anyways, on friday i took 4 pills, sat 2, sun none, and fluched them down the toilet. so anyways , technicall its 2 days, i was able to sleep last, hopefully tonite, if i can get some sleep, i know that i will have it made. this time around it has been alot easier, i have been taking lyrica, b complex vitamins, fish oil, atenol (kinda like clonidine) and zopidem for sleep. i am experiencing none of the normal with drawal sypmtoms. for the night sweats and hot flashes i take ester c. but the one thing that is ever present is the brain zap, mr roboto feeling and blurryness. how long do these last usually, i can deal with it to a point but it is just kinda annoying if you know what i mean.
thanks for your help.
oh and tramman, im in the same bote as you are if you want to talk.

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by legaljunky, Sep 26, 2011
We are lucky to be in a campsite with WiFi and I'm happy to see all the new posts- we're all Tram fighters and I love being part of the team!  I'm still winning and I feel great- day 17 of 0 tram!

MrKenny- Thanks- Down the toilet it goes as soon as I get home where I left it !

Okra- hang in there!  I think I had a relatively easy time of it for a few reasons, mainly from what I learned from  my beloved fellow warriors.  I'll tell you my experience, just in case something might help you.  My heart goes out to you.  I tapered and my last 4 days of 40 mg per day were hell so I stopped completely- it couldn't be any worse than 40mg and it wasn't.

  I gave myself over to getting nothing done except getting off Tram.  I am on many meds and supplements because I have Lyme disease (it's under control now).

For sleep problems of Lyme I have taken Clonapin at bed time for years so I was able to sleep (but with nightmares during Tram withdrawal).

I was antsy, very agitated all day, and exhausted so I tried to take naps but had restless legs.  Another warrior told me to wrap my lower legs in ace bandages, not tight enough to cut off circulation, to relieve the RLS.  I have support knee sox so I used them and it helped.  I take a lot of magnesium because it is a muscle relaxer.

A warrior said to take potassium so I increased what I had already been taking, and I started eating a banana every day too.I was told to drink a lot of water and I know that helps get the stuff out of your body.

I threw up once. I hear many of us throw up a lot!  For that and the tummy aches I ate what my tummy could handle- oatmeal, soft boiled eggs, custard.  I was also told to drink peppermint tea with cayenne and honey- I think that helped a lot of my symptoms so I still have some every day.  When I could handle it I drank coffee (my drug of choice) and will forever!

I had 1 whole day of diahrea- others have a lot more.  I figured that was probably getting the Tram out of me too but I realize if it went on long enough I would have to do something about it.

On day 5 of no Tram I felt noticeably better but only had about 2 hours when I could accomplish any more than doing laundry.  When my WD spiked I would take magnesium, sublingual B12 (from the healthfood store) and the peppermint tea, cayenne & honey and get on the forum.  I think it all helped.

Depression-  Yup.  I'm already on an SSRI for Lyme disease brain damage causing depression, but I still felt depressed with WD but I don't anymore.  Someone else will have to help you with that!

Throughout the first 10 days I looked and felt AWFUL, like the flu, and after that things got quite normal for me. I still get hot flashes and have times, an hour or so, when I feel exhausted.  I wonder how much more energy I will get-  I don't remember how I felt 2 years ago before I started taking Tram.

That's all I can think of, I'm sure I forgot something, but I'm pulling for you!  Life is so pretty on 0 Tram day 17!  Fight that Tram as hard as you can and then join all of us celebrating on the other side of the battle! ---1 day at a time---

Strength and love, Lorraine



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by Okra, Sep 26, 2011
Thank u so much for sharing ur story, it's inspired me to keep goin. I'm trying the potassium for the rest less legs so will c how that goes. I'm also on a lot of medication as I've got a a severe  head injury. My sleeping tablets arnt working haven't slept properly I'n 5 weeks.think I'll go to the docs an c if he can giv me sumthing stronger as the lack of sleep is driving me mad, just for a short while. My other meds I hav to take as I'm still I'n tremendous pain with my head Injury. I've been on tramadol for about 3 yrs, feel like I'm waking up finally an not so spaced an zombie like.
I'm determined to do this for my health can't go on feeling like  I'm only living half a life.

Thank u Lorraine, ur an angel, well done 4 being 17 days 3 !!!

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by legaljunky, Sep 26, 2011
Me again, Okra- I'm now on Voltaren for the Lyme related arthritis, I was on it for years until 2 years ago another Lyme related problem made it impossible to take it.  That problem has resolved itself, miraculously, so I was able to get off Tramadol and found I was addicted.  Now I'm off Tram (yippee!!!) and back on Voltaren and life is beautiful.
  I forgot another Warrior tip- take Omega3.  I take Nordic brand, it's the only 1 that doesn't upset my stomach.  And, of course, I don't have to tell you to go back and read all the old posts-  there's so much great stuff!  And it's so wonderful to feel so grateful to and close and loving to people who may live half way around the world!
There has to be something that can help you other than Tram.  Keep fighting!
Strength and love, L.

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by honorbounddane, Sep 27, 2011
so last night the blurryness was soo bad along with the body zaps that i went into the er hoping they could help me, after seeing all the other people in there with their problems i left. well why i was in there my regular doc called me back, cause i told him i was done with all pain killers and i didnt know what to do. he told me to keep taking the norcos, i told him i flushe them too, 100 norcos and 100 tram down the toilet, so he gave me kloniopin and ibufropin. went to be last night, couldnt really sleep till about 330, but i did wake up at 9. my gf said i hadnt moved a muscle and when she tried to wake me up to say bye, i wouldnt. so i feel really rested, no more blurry for now, brain and body zaps gone, for being the third day it has gone way way way easier than the last 3 times i withdrew off of this devil pill, im still a little weak, but im not craving it, no diahreah, no depression, nothing. for now. i do honestly beleive that the lyrica has helped all these. thanks for listening.

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by Okra, Sep 27, 2011
Hi Lorraine, I've made it to 3 days without tram,apart from the lack of sleep am hot sweats I don't feel 2 bad. Will it get worse or am I through the worst of it? Taper was he'll but my docs thought goin ct would put to much strain on my body an were worried I may hav a sezuire.I hallucinated last week which was awful. Has anyone else experienced that?

Im so glad I found this and  am really grateful to everyone here

Take care and keep fighting x

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by butterfly75, Sep 28, 2011
I have been on Lyrica for the fibromyalgia, it seems to help.

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by DJOXY, Sep 28, 2011
I had no idea people were having problems with Tramadol. I always thought of it as a way overpriced advil. How would you compare it to something like roxycodone?

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by honorbounddane, Sep 28, 2011
so today is day four. not too bad. not nearly as bad as the last 3 times i went thru this crap. no anxiety this time, no diahreah?sp, no cravings, i have energy to do things in the morning, but by night my energy is gone, but i can sleep thanks to zolpidem, i actually feel happy. this is weird, way weird, last time i couldnt get out of bed, didnt want to do anything, couldnt sleep, thought i was gonna die, shallow breathing, brain zaps, runs, extreme depression, you name it, i had it. but this time, not a thing but the blurryness and zaps. im taking lyrica, klonopin for anxiety and zopidem for the sleep. i slept all night last night. i feel realy good, but im sure that it will all change later. seriously folks, ive been thru this up down roller coaster ride and i was scared of quitting this time cause of the hell of the withdrawal of this. but my doctor is realy helpful. im kinda his quinea pig, ha haha, but its helping. try to get lyrica, it will help. and realize that you will have the strength to do this. you are stronger than you think. good luck to all. ill check back in later.

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by AU2000, Sep 28, 2011
Hey there, fellow Tramers

I've made it to day 14!  No tramodol, or whatever they're making and selling online these days.  I posted in the beginning that I was getting tramodol online.  Not that I've stopped they are calling & emailing me several times a day to re-order.

Must be a big money maker to manufacture your own pill.  Again, I have found out thru ways of UDS, Uniform Drug Screens, & chem screens that the BAD guys are making a lot of this stuff with PCP.  They also are using a cheap chemical agent as the catilyst, or bonding agent.  If you doubt this, go to Walgreens and pick up a home drug test.  My bet is if you are getting Ultram/Tramodol from the net, it's going to show up as PCP.

Anyway, sorry for the net rant.  I think I'm very lucky to have a doc that will continue to prescripe Norco for my chronic pain.  W/O Norco, I don't know if I could have got this far.  Still don't sleep right, but that is getting better.  3 hours last nite.  A record.  B-12 & walking the dog help a lot.

I think I'm over the hump now, but still watch the clock for that next Norco.  In a couple of weeks I will try to titrate the Norco.  Maybe 1 less a day for a couple of weeks, then one less from that.  

I'm afraid this is going to take a real long time to recover from.  Right now, none of my clients have said anything about me acting off, so I must be hiding it well.  At times, my bones, especially the knees feel like a cold mass is going to explode in the capsule.
Here comes week THREE!

This forum really has helped me know I'm not alone.
thanks to all.
Au2000

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by legaljunky, Sep 30, 2011
Just got home from a week long trip, it was a wonderful diversion and made it easy to be out of Tramworld, although 1 night I did not sleep well and wonder if that was Deviltam rearing it's ugly head.  I am on day 21 of 0 Tram and I am sure I will never go back.  I am free of withdrawal, feeling great, you can too- come and join me!- just keep fighting!  We're all pulling for you!
I know it is harder for some but all we can do is keep on keepin on.  I'm so grateful for this forum and the feeling of being 1 among  many who genuinely care about each other when no one in my personal life gets it.

Okra- How's it goin'?  Day 5 was noticeably better for me, I hope it was for you.  I'm still drinking peppermint tea with cayenne and honey, along with the other supplements, it can't hurt. I never hallucinated but I had some weird dreams!

MrKenny- I'm trying to find a better way than the toilet to dispose of my whole bottle of Tram, I really don't want to add it to our water supply unless I can't find a safer way.  The process WILL be completed tomorrow.

Thanks for being there, all my Tram fighting buddies!

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 01, 2011
Hello everybody,

Steve here, I just wanted to apologise for my behaviour on this thread a few weeks ago, I was in hell and lost the plot completely. Sorry Emily.

I am now on day 17 absolute free and clean of Tramadol. It was one of the most difficult things I have ever done but I beat it. You can do it too.

From the depths of my heart I send you all my love and hope and know you can get of this drug, it's hell but by the strength of love in your heart you will beat it and be stronger and bigger because of it.

If anyone wants any help you can contact me at: ***@****

Love and Peace

Steve

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 01, 2011
Oh I guess you cant post an email I guess just contact me anyway you can if you want my help.
I painted 2 paintings during the first 4 days of recovery, you can see them on my profile page


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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 01, 2011
I kept a log, maybe it might help you, 9 days of hell, then gradualy better. Cold turkey from 12 x 50mg a day. Staying in bed and having patience seem to be the best thing for those 9 days.

14TH SEPTEMBER Nothing except demonic dreams
15th SEPTEMBER hot and sticky
16th SEPTEMBER HELL, skin, muscles, bones hurt, hairs on arms and legs feel like rusty pins. DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
17th SEPTEMBER REAL HELL, worse than yesterday,
17th SEPTEMBER FEEL LIKE BALANCE IS TIPPED but still same symptons,
17th SEPTEMBER weak still achey queezy, internal organ pain, stomach, burning churning sensation.
17th SEPTEMBER weak heavy stressed, so stressed. Brain zaps hot FEEL LIKE WORSE THAN BEFORE GUTS VIOLENT PAIN

17th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY brain zaps continuously restless, DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
18th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY, RESTLESS, LESS BRAIN ZAPS,
18th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY, RESTLESS, I think brain zaps have stopped ....BRAIN ZAPS, …
18th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY, RESTLESS, BRAIN ZAPS BUT NOT AS INTENSE, DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
19th SEPTEMBER BRAIN ZAPS THROUGH THE ROOF! NOT SO TIRED NOT SO WEAK NOT SO HEAVY,
19th SEPTEMBER FUZZY, SLIGHT BRAIN ZAPS NOT AS BAD, RESTLESS BUT NOT AS BAD, DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
20th SEPTEMBER BRAIN ZAPS!!! SLIGHYT RESTLESS, TEMPERATURE CHANGES, HEAD MORE THAN BODY,
20st SEPTEMBER slight zaps, temperature probs, Hardly any symptons left, tierd and fat? DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
21st SEPTEMBER metallic, sticky, so, so, so tired, walked 1 hour
22nd SEPTEMBER Fasted all day WENT OUT
23rd SEPTEMBER I think the Tramadol symptons are gone
24th SEPTEMBER still too tired for exercise but best so far
25th SEPTEMBER NO SYMPTONS
26th SEPTEMBER OK, CREATED ROUTINE, EAT HEALTHY, EXERCISE, MEDITATE
27th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
28th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
29th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
30th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
1st October OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE, FEEL GOOD


16th SEPTEMBER HELL, skin, muscles, bones hurt, hairs on arms and legs feel like rusty pins. DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
17th SEPTEMBER Real hell, same as yesterday,
17th SEPTEMBER same symptons,
17th SEPTEMBER weak still achey queezy, internal organ pain, stomach, burning churning sensation.
17th SEPTEMBER weak heavy stressed, so stressed. Brain zaps hot FEEL LIKE WORSE THAN BEFORE my GUTS VIOLENT PAIN, worst yet

17th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY brain zaps continuously, restless, DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
18th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY, RESTLESS, LESS BRAIN ZAPS,
18th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY, RESTLESS, I think brain zaps have stopped...Nope more BRAIN ZAPS, …
18th SEPTEMBER WEAK HEAVY, RESTLESS, BRAIN ZAPS BUT NOT AS INTENSE, DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
19th SEPTEMBER BRAIN ZAPS THROUGH THE ROOF! NOT SO TIRED NOT SO WEAK NOT SO HEAVY,
19th SEPTEMBER FUZZY, SLIGHT BRAIN ZAPS NOT AS BAD, RESTLESS BUT NOT AS BAD, DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED
20th SEPTEMBER BRAIN ZAPS!!! RESTLESS, TEMPERATURE CHANGES, HEAD MORE THAN BODY,
20st SEPTEMBER slight zaps, temperature probs, Hardly any symptons left, tierd and fat? DIDN’T GET OUT OF BED!
21st SEPTEMBER metallic, sticky, so, so, so tired, walked 1 hour
22nd SEPTEMBER Fasted all day only drank water WENT OUT TO SHOPS!
23rd SEPTEMBER I think the Tramadol symptons are gone
24th SEPTEMBER still too tired for exercise but best so far
25th SEPTEMBER NO SYMPTONS
26th SEPTEMBER OK, CREATED ROUTINE, EAT HEALTHY, EXERCISE (walking), MEDITATE
27th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
28th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
29th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
30th SEPTEMBER OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE
1st October OK, STUCK TO ROUTINE, FEEL GOOD



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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 01, 2011
oops sorry for repeating it

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by BAZarino, Oct 01, 2011
Hello

I'm new to the site, wish I had known about it two years ago. I was addicted to tramadol, my dosage went from 100mg per day to 900mg per day. I only started because of a knee injury.

I am free of it now but I still get the urge as I am in a position to take as much as I want through my job. After trying cold turkey I decided it was putting to much strain on my body and I could not function it also caused brain zaps. Anyway I did get off them in the end this is how I achieved it. THIS PROCESS WILL ONLY CURE YOU OF YOUR PHYSICAL ADDICTION NOT YOUR MENTAL ADDICTION.

Ask your doctor to give you your medication in 50mg slow release tablets. Explain your situation don't be shy you need the doctors support.

Make a chart keeping track of how many tablets you are taking each day.

Drop one 50mg tablet every two weeks

Eventually depending on how large your addiction is you will be down to one. It took me six months, I had one relapse.

This is the most frightening moment but after two weeks of taking one you must stop. It will not be as bad as you think, this is the time to hang in there.

All through this process you will experience body cramps, (RLS) restless leg syndrome head aches and insomnia, I combated this by taking two 500mg of soluble co-codamol a night to ease the withdrawal.
BE CAREFUL WITH THE CO-CODAMOL IT CONTAINS CODEINE (VERY ADDICTIVE)

I must stress that you need willpower and it is hard but this system worked for me.


If anything is in anyway unclear please contact me direct and I will resole any queries.

Good luck

Baz

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by aria59, Oct 01, 2011
I have been a tramadol uses for four yearrs, to to chronic hip cyst  ostearthitis, & lower back pain, I started drinking
cause i was told they were not addictive, as time pass, I notice that days i did not needed, by body was
was in worst pain restless, short of breath,  all day hot sweats. axiety, my knees would not hold me,
every 10 minutes i would have to take a break to laid down, would take tramadol all symptoms would go
away.  Finally did a research with this site, concluded addiction.  I was in the 4th day off tramadol
going through all this withdrawalls symtoms &  it has been a nightmare,  What happens my dentist have
do surgery, prescribed viocodin, so far  I have drink 500mg viocodins  I decided not to drink anymore
opiates for pain,  any one don't know what the outcome will be.

Help,

Auria59

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by Icandothis10, Oct 02, 2011
Hi everyone,

I started my weaning process on Monday.  I went from just shoveling handfulls of Tramadol down my throat (maybe 30-40 a day) and as of yesterday, I did 13.5 50 mg tabs.  I have no choice but to take it VERY slow.  I HAVE to function.  I cannot function while withdrawing.  I just can't.  I finally came clean to my husband yesterday after four years of "thinking" that I was hiding this.  Come to find out, he knew all along and was keeping an eye on me without me knowing it.  I told him that I need him to back me up on this.  I can do it.  I realized that I have PLENTY of pills.  That's why I am taking this as slow as possible.  The reason that I have to go slow, I will be leaving for Iraq and or Kuwait the first week of Dec.  I was able to get these damn poison pills whenever I wanted.  Now, my husband told me to change my e-mail, we're changing the phone number (they call and e-mail every day for me to reorder), we're shutting down my "pill credit card" Yes, I had a Mastercard specifically to order my pills.  Now, I know and it's solid in my mind that the bottle I have now, is my very last bottle.  I can either use to it to get clean or be stupid and take them all only to suffer later.  I can't be going through withdrawals while sitting in a military terminal somewhere in the middle east for a week.  I MUST get clean

So, I've been using that L-Tyrosine, Vit B6 and Glutomine.  I take it every morning and I am very careful with my body.  So far, so good.  If you can wean, do it.  I personally feel that weaning is the absolute only way with this poison.  I know some people disagree.  I just hate to hear of those suffering the absolute unbearable withdrawals from this "non addictive" drug.  

Emily, I've lurked here before only to tell myself "yeah, I'll wean later, I'll start next week, I'll do it later"  Well, later is here.  Now, I don't have a choice.  You are by far, one of the bravest strongest most wonderful women I've encountered online.  I'm so very sorry that you went through what you did.  

I have begun writing down each dose and I don't stray from it at all.  I am also keeping a journal and I also realized, as strong as I am, I need you guys.  We need support.  That's the only way to get through.  

Your stories have inspired me.  It's amazing how there are so many here from all walks of life and it's amazing how you can become so connected to a complete stranger.  I want to be here for anyone who needs support.  I know we can do this.  

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by Icandothis10, Oct 02, 2011
Hi LegalJunkie,

Try cat litter!  go get a small bag, pour the bottle in it and some water, the pills will not be able to picked out or swallowed.  It's the best way to get rid of narcotics or other nasty pills that cause what we're all experiencing

Ican...

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by legaljunky, Oct 02, 2011
Ican-- Thanks for the tip but I'm still worried that it will get into our water supply like antibiotics have.  Rite Aid has a mailer I can Buy for $4. and it will be shipped to Texas, I'm gonna look into that.  A friend told me to call the local police and see if they will handle it.  Ican, I'm sending you strength and love - you'll get through this and you know it will be tough.

I'm off Tramadevil  22 days now and thought I was done withdrawal, even after reading posts about symptoms showing up later, when surprise! surprise!  I had 2 days of feeling exhausted and a little depressed too!  I think I'm coming out of it.

Thank you all for being there for me!

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by comfortquinn, Oct 03, 2011
Great Job legaljunky!!!  You sound so positive!!!  I am on day 17 without suboxone!!!  Wow!!!  What a ride!!!  How many Trams were you taking.  I have taken them before, they helped with sleep one time.  I do remember detoxing off them and it was a little difficult, but that didn't last long.  I went back to my favorite Percs and other more powerful pain pills and patches.  What ever I could get my hands on.  I took the tramadol when I had nothing else.  Anyway, I would really like to know how many you were taking in a day?  Thanks

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by comfortquinn, Oct 03, 2011
Your attitude ROCKS!!!

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by legaljunky, Oct 03, 2011
Hi comfortquinn and all my buddy warriors-

I was on 200 mg Tram for 2 years for lyme disease related arthritis.  Then my Dr. took me off Tram and put me on Voltaren (which I was on previously with no addiction) and I found I was going thru agonizing withdrawal. And like everyone else here, My Dr. said she didn't know it was addictive.  So thank God I found this life saving forum, read a lot of old posts and figured out I was going to do a very slow taper and take all the supplements, drink lots of water, etc.  It was difficult but not impossible and I was DETERMINED to get off the devilTram train.  When I got down to 40 mg I felt so awful I decided stop taking any Tram, give my whole self over to accomplishing nothing each day but getting off Tram.  All I could do was laundry!  I was too strung out to do anything else.  By day 5 I felt noticeably better I had about 2 hours when I could actually get some work done.  I should add-  I am on Clonapin for sleep problems of Lyme so throughout my taper I was able to sleep- with bizarre nightmares! I am now back on Voltaren and feel great except when withdrawal rears it's ugly head again.

There is a lot of alcoholism in my family history and I spent many years in Alanon (for the families of alcoholics) and I know I have an addictive personality so I chose not to drink alcohol, I forced my kids into Alateen, and  neither of them is alcoholic. One nephew is, unfortunately.

So today is day 24 of 0 Tram!!  I am so thrilled to be here!  My drug of choice is back to Coffee!  Yippee!

I wish strength and love to all of you- my fellow Tramtrain passengers!  I wouldn't be enjoying life again without you!

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by comfortquinn, Oct 03, 2011
I wouldn't be enjoying life without you to!  You know what I am going to do when I move back to Portland, OR?  I am going to volunteer.  I never did it before, but I feel so on fire about helping people.  It is my new addiction!

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by legaljunky, Oct 03, 2011
Just heard Tony Bennett say he was told "Doing drugs is a sin against your talent"

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by AU2000, Oct 03, 2011
Marching into week three, free of this tramodol/pcp.
Actually woke up After the paper hit the front door.  A first for me in this w/d saga.

Here's how strange life is for me.  A client just left my office.  They broke down and told me about their problem.
TRAMODOL!  They were doctor shopping & got busted.  This stuff is doing something to our seratonim uptake that other opiods don't do.  It should be pulled off the market.  At least MDs should be well aware of the danger in long term usage of this chemical.  A lot just don't realize the issue here.

We can make it thru this with help from our close ones & this forum.

Au2000

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by Icandothis10, Oct 03, 2011
I can tell already that you all are going to be a VERY pertinent part of my getting off these disgusting things.  Thank you, all of you...for just being here.  Of course, I think if every one of us had our choice, we wouldn't be here under these circumstances.  Still, I'm so happy that you guys are here nontheless.

I took it down 25 mg today again and am still doing good.  And I picked up the phone and told the lady over the phone that I won't be purchasing their poison anymore.  "It will only cost you 134.00" I told her that obviously she wasn't listening and that I'll be changing my phone number.

I took a bunch of pills last night (not literally) but took them and cut them into halves and quarters.  I also bought a little pill container with four compartments, one for each of my doses during the day.  Instead of throwing the entire bottle in my purse to pour piles into my hand, I cut out exactly what I need for the next day.  I went from 14.5 pills on Friday to 13 today.  I know it sounds very extensive...but it is.  I can only go slow.....very slow.  

Awesome JOB Legal, AU and Comfort!  You guys have accomplished something truly amazing!  I hope you have the slightest idea of how much of an inspiration and pretty much heros that you are!  Now, are you guys taking your vitamins, hot baths and lemon waters too?  Be very careful with your bodies, they are especially delicate now after what you've put them through.  You ladies should really go pamper yourselves at the spa.  Nobody deserves it more than you!  

Hugs you guys!  Going to stick to 13 pills for the next two days (got a little sweaty and shaky today) and then taker her down to 12.5 by Thursday.  I'll still be checking in you guys.  

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by MyFreedom, Oct 03, 2011
Good evening everyone -

AU2000 ~ You are right. Tramadol contains an extra component that true opiates do not. It is half synthetic opiate and half antidepressant. The antidepressant was determined to be almost structurally identical to Effexor, which of course, is an antidepressant. That's what makes this crap so difficult to kick. Once we get past the acute/physical withdrawal (anywhere from 5-15 days it seems), we then have to get through the antidepressant part, which seems to kick in around 3 weeks clean and it lingers for some time. Lovely, huh? I'd love to force feed this stuff to all the jerks who created it and led doctors to believe that its perfectly safe and non-addictive.

Icandothis ~ Take it as slowly as you need. As long as you are headed in the right direction, you are defeating tram. I tapered over about 5 months. I started around 12 50mg tabs daily and went down to 1/4 of a tab every 12 hours before stopping. Some can go cold turkey, some can fast taper, some have to do it the way I did it......veerrrrry slowly. It's funny....I haven't ordered tram for over 18 months, but I still get the calls and emails. I wonder when they'll give up?

:)

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by MrKenny, Oct 04, 2011
44 days Tram Free! I read these posts every day to see how everyone is doing....good fighting ya'll.

QUESTION: So I still have night sweats and vivid dreams from the withdrawal.....What are the other common symptoms or effects of this drug after 30 or 40 days?
I must say, Some things just don't seem 'quite right', and i want to hear from other survivors of the 'longer term effects or symptoms' of the withdrawal.  What symptoms linger or appear after  time has passed?
Thanks to All!

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by Icandothis10, Oct 04, 2011
MyFreedom:  Thank you so much!  I stayed today at what I took yesterday because I was a wee bit anxious so I took the 13 tabs as I did yesterday.  Tomorrow, I'm cutting a half of a tab out of my last dose at 5:00 p.m.  I have no choice but to go so very slow.  Maybe even ridiculously slow but it's all I can do to function.  I have to be IN Iraq on 17 Dec and that will include a week and half of sitting in terminals and on planes.  I cannot do all I have to do to prepare to go and actually go while withdrawing.  That's why I am just being as absolutely careful as I can.  I know a half tab when taking over 10 a day doesn't sound like much and really it isn't but I'm actually kind of babying my body.  I HAVE to exercise, it's required for the military and I HAVE to move around do quickly for my job.  I know I'm a wimp but I really do need to be able to function normally.  

I received one reorder notice and three phone calls to reorder.  I know they'll keep coming.  

If I may ask, how did you feel when you completely stopped after the 1/4 tab?  I am trying to see about when I'll get to that point and I know I'll be tired and a little grumpy but I'll be in Iraq so I'll still need to be able to at least walk....and I know I couldn't do that if I just stopped completely

With all that said, I feel a little bad for everyone else here that is suffering and doing it CT.  I actually feel decent weaning.  I don't want to hear about anyone suffering through withdrawals from this stuff.  Nobody should have to suffer such agony.  I know that I'm very glad everyone is here and doing ok and I want to be here for everyone else

Keep fighting everyone!  Thanks for your stories!

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by ullr, Oct 05, 2011
MrKenny: How much tramadol did you use, and for how long?
The longer and the more you have used, the longer and harder are the with drawals - I gess.

7 months or so for me now. :-)

I still have some cold shiverings. Some dizzyness. Still gaining veight. Did not think that should be a problem for me, but it is. Think I have putted on 10-15 kilos. (Dont mesure...)

Some nights I have sleeping problems. Then I take a sleeping pill. I am working 100% now, and that is no problem.

So all in all I am much better. But I still have problems to see how much better my life has been after quitting Tramadol.
I was taking 1000-2500 mg a day. For about 5 years. When I was on tramadol, I didn watch TV, was shooting and making bows. Making Iron age clothings, tools etc. Now I watch series from HBO and showtime... Dont have any push or drive to be creative.

But I dont miss the sweating, the headaces and vomiting I was having whenI took to much tramadol. Dont miss checking my tray, and counting pills. (I had pills in the car, at work, at home, in my pockets.. I gess some of you know what I am talking about.) Calling the doctor. You know what: I didnt pay anything for the tablets... I got my elbow crushed at work, so my insurance payed for it ...

The first time i quitted (8 years ago or so) I had used it for 2 years and only about 600 mg a day. Then, I remember, I went away for holyday, and used some codein to hold the w/d away, and it helped. Still remember the family dinners when I was sweating and sweating. Took me a week or so at that time.
But when I came home from that holyday, I startet taking speed for pain in body and mind :-/ Did that for 3 years and went (almost) insane. Stopped it, and went back to tramadol (abuse).

And here I am now. 7 months... Dont take any pills exept for my blood presure. Went bow shooting yesterday. A bit to much pain in the elbow for enjoing it fully, but I will continue. And I will not take tramadol.  

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by MrKenny, Oct 05, 2011
ullr,
I took 100 to 200 mg a day for only 4 months or so, not much compared to many people.
I am very sensitive to drugs, so the effects are greater on me than most people.
My withdrawal was hard fast and furious, but quicker than most. The worst days were 1-4 and after 10 days things were much better; like normalcy most of the time.
But I still want to know what the lingering effects are after 30, 40, 50, 180 days. Because I know I am not fully recovered after 44 days.

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by legaljunky, Oct 06, 2011
Day 27 Tram free and so thankful to be here.  Just completed 2 days of house guests-  I managed all the meals, was always in conversation and found it totally draining.  I found it very hard to organize my thoughts, plan the day, when to serve what food, everything. Speaking in meaningful, organized sentences was the most difficult task.  I don't know if anyone noticed it, they must have.
So this is part of withdrawal and I can accept that.  I know better days are coming. I'm exhausted and have a headache but thankfully I have never craved Tramadol.  I'll get thru today
I'm so grateful for all your posts, and to be able to come to this forum and unload my burden!
What I'm going thru today is so much easier than when I was on Tram- it didn't manage my pain in the last months of taking it (because the addiction needed more Tram and I didn't up my dose) and I remember vividly how hard it was to taper and how excruciating my first 4 days of 0 Tram were.
The fight against Tram is so worth the agony!  I'm sending you and me strength and love!




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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 07, 2011
Day 23, going strong, got drunk last night and feel like shite today, embarrassed myself, and upset everyone, cringe cringe cringe. I never drank when taking the Tramadol, was I better off?

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by NoraTorious, Oct 07, 2011
Wow, I have been away. Steve, I remember how much you struggled and I am so proud of you now. Try to stay from the alcohol. I know, it's hard, but as you know it can make things

I am 9 months free with no Tramadol. No cravings, nothing. And I did it cold turkey. I am getting my energy back, I have been cleaning house, washing dishes, doing laundry, and cooking. I made 2 quiches last week and this week.

My pain management physical therapist has taught me some great floor exercises, and I am walking a mile a day, which is better than last year when I was agoraphobic, and earlier this year when I could barely make it around the block.

Some people do not understand how long this recovery takes. For me it is a mental and physical. They nag me about what I am doing with my life, why I am not working, or volunteering, etc. I think she is jealous because she has to work and her husband is a jerk and wants to be home all day as well, writing, playing on the computer, etc. I am still struggling with social anxiety along with everything else.

I know you guys are all working so hard. This is a nasty evil drug that needs to be rescheduled and/or taken off the market.

Keep fighting, warriors!

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by NoraTorious, Oct 07, 2011
Darn ticker.

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 08, 2011
Hi Nora good to hear your doing well. No matter what I wont take Tramadol again I will never forget that week of hell. Never felt that bad ever. I actually feel ok, no symptons, no anxiety, just get bored and then want to drink, think I can stay of the booze, at least with booze you can see that it is bad for you quite quickly, you can go for years on Tramadol without noticing any side effects.

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by legaljunky, Oct 08, 2011
Day 29 Tram free and I think today I feel the Tram related depression more than any other day so far.  Or that I can remember! I've read your posts about it and just getting in touch with you, my support system, helps me feel a little better about it.  It's just another part of this awful foe, Tram, WHICH I WILL TACKLE AND BEAT!

Keep fighting with me, I need you all!


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by Icandothis10, Oct 08, 2011
Ya'll, I need some help.....I'm trying to do this very slowly as everything says. Please remember, I'm getting ready to leave the country for the middle east so I was trying to do this before leaving.  If I have to take my taper with me, that's fine, I'll do that

I have 120 pills left.  I got down to taking ten a day from like...well about 30 or however I decided to abuse them that day.  How should I go about it and do it right?

I really appreciate anyone's ideas....:-(


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by Gizmok, Oct 08, 2011
Hi guys, I am relatively new to this site. I was taking many oxycodone and morphine for several years all prescribed by my doc. Well, I decided to get off them as I was taking much more than the dose he prescribed, I joined here because I was so afraid of the withdraw process. It was no where near as bad as I thought it would be. After stopping those I was still having significant pain (herniated disks, and crohn's disease) so I asked the doc for something to take that was not addictive. He obliged, and gave me tramadol. :( I remember taking ultram back in the day when it first came out, and I don't remember there being any adverse reaction when I quit, not so anymore. I am terrified I've only been taking it a very short time and I ran out the other day and did not get it filled right away thinking no problem, I spent the next three days in Hell. I thought I had the flu, I was throwing up, sweating, could not stop the runs, and it was horrible. I lost 8lbs. I still did not know what it was so I had my mother fill my tramadol as I was in so much pain, she brought it over I took it and within 30min I was fine. So I got on the Internet and found this chat room. Reading your stories has me scared because I started taking it again, and I don't know if I can go through that again.  My doc really thinks that there is no prob with this drug :( I have 18 left and I will not get it refilled again, any suggestions on a way to elevate some of the symptoms?  With the opiates I used clonidine and it was wonderful, a miracle drug. Sorry I'm rambling, I'm just scared and pi@@ed at myself for getting into this again. I should have done the research first. :( you guys are wonderful, I have spent the last 3 days reading your posts and you guys are soooooooooo strong!!!

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by legaljunky, Oct 08, 2011
Icandothis-  All I can do is tell you what I did and maybe you can alter it in some way to meet your needs.  When I got down to 200 mg (4pills) a day, I began tapering  1/4 pill a week which gave me 4 days of not coping well and 3 OK days and then I would reduce another 1/4 pill. I drink extra water, take extra magnesium for the restless legs, peppermint tea with cayenne and honey for the upset stomach and tummy aches, and sublingual B 12 but I can't remember why!  I drank coffee when my stomach could take it.

When I got down to 40 mg a day I felt so awful that I figured I couldn't feel any worse so I gave my whole self over to recovery and stopped Tram altogether.  My symptoms were agony and I accomplished nothing but doing laundry and  getting off Tram for about a week.  I threw up once, had 1 whole day of diarhea, restless legs, slight depression or at least very emotional, had no patience and was VERY grumpy, exhausted all the time and tried to nap but had restless legs.  I am on Clonazapam for sleep problems of lyme disease so I did get sleep at night but with weird annoying nightmares. I have had some very good days since and withdrawal still shows up but not as bad as the first week.  Today I am very tired, can't think straight and I'm a little depressed, but I don't expect it to last and I am thrilled to be off Tram.

You obviously don't have the time or enough pills to do what I did, I hope someone else has Ideas for you.
I'm pulling for you, we know we have to fight hard and I'm sending you strength and love, my Tram buddy!

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by Icandothis10, Oct 09, 2011
Legaljunky - Thank you so much!  If I wasn't off to Iraq, I'd bear with it, unfortunately I can't.  So I have to order one more bottle.  I'm taking this so slow that I'll probably be retired by the time I'm off but I don't care.  I cannot go through that when I'm on a 40 hour flight stuffed in between 365 other fat guys.  Not happening.  To be honest, I would do it even if I wasn't going.  I'll lead a convoy through the streets of Baghdad, but I won't go through the horror of Trammie withdrawal.  I can't.  I will only do what my body will allow.

Now, last weekend when I told my husband that I had a problem, I was on 16 pills a day and last night, I went to bed having taken 10.75 and I'm ok.  I'm going to have to stretch it out and bring them with me.  I do have to be honest, there is no better place to work  on something like this than the middle of the armpit of the planet.  I'll just bring them with and continue there.  

I'll order my bottle Thursday and start cutting them.  Looks like I'm going to have to taper a half pill every 5 - 7 days.  So I should be off these things and completely new by July when I return.  I'll still keep in touch with you guys while I'm gone though.  I can't do this without you my wonderful friends

LegalJunky- What about St John Wort?  Have you tried that?  Take about 2 every night and you should notice a difference in about 3 weeks.  I hate to hear of you being depressed sweetie!  

Who wants pictures of the biggest sh*t hole on the planet????  

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by Gizmok, Oct 09, 2011
I'm just scared, a big fat chicken. :( time to take the bull by the horns and kick this tramahell out of my life. I guess I just need support.....

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by legaljunky, Oct 09, 2011
Icandothis-  I realize from reading other posts that the list of symptoms I told you I had was not complete.  You can see the rest in everyone else's posts!  When I'm having a bad time, like yesterday with depression, I get on the forum, dump it out, read posts and it really helps.  Today I have no depression, I can think straight and even speak respectfully to my husband!
But I would like more energy.

St John's Wort- this is a long story-
Lyme disease got to my brain, I was on a lot of meds and seeing a specialist for Lyme.  (All this began about 18 years ago.) At some point I was put on St John's Wort, saw an alternative Dr., went off St Johns Wort and went further into depression to the point that they finally put me on an SSRI for the brain (chemical imbalance?) damage caused by Lyme.  I learned from my son (who has a Masters in Nutrition)  that even tho St Johns Wort is not prescription medicine we can't take its impact lightly.  I will never use it again, but I hope someone else will post about it, we're all different except when it comes to Tram!.  I know I went off St Johns Wort cold turkey, not knowing whether or not that is a problem.

Icandothis-  You have my greatest respect- tackling Tramadol and Iraq. I'm sending you love and I wish you strength and  wisdom one day at a time. That is all we have.

Gizmok- Come join the battle!  It's tough but well worth it and we're here for you!  

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by Gizmok, Oct 09, 2011
I'm joining, I have not taken anything since last night, and I'm starting the tramaflu. :( this is just terrible. Why don't doctors do their research?  My doctor knows of my addiction issues, and he said this stuff was totally safe, and he also gave me prozac to take with it, and now I find out that is not safe either. Oh Lord, I need your help, please I am such a wuss. Thank you legaljunky. Icandoit, I am with legaljunky, you are amazing. Taking on this and Irac, I have so much admiration for you.

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by NoraTorious, Oct 09, 2011
Don't think just because I don't want Tramadol I don't want other things. I do. I want Vicodin, Clonazapam, anything but Tramadol. And I feel ashamed about it. But that is how it is.


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by Gizmok, Oct 09, 2011
Nora- I am right there with you, I felt invincible on my meds. I felt I could do anything.  And I'm really ashamed, I'm in the medical profession, so I know what they do to the body. :( I tell you what I have never had such empathy for my patients.  Nora I have been reading through your posts, and you are amazing also, I found real inspiration here.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 09, 2011
Thank you Giz, in all honesty though, going to the hole is actually going to help me with this god awful drug.  There is NOTHING to do there but work, work out and sleep...PERIOD.  It's a perfect time for me to concentrate on my schedule and not have to stay busy with nothing but work and tapering.

I told my husband today that I have to order one more bottle of Tram to do the taper correctly.  I do know the slower, the better and he agrees.  I told him that I can only do what my body will allow and I've cut down well but it will still take a long time.  I'm glad I'm leaving for 6 months....like I said above, great time to get off this sh*t.  I know I'll have to take them with me which is fine.  If I have over 180 tabs, I will wean completely off and still be functional and feeling well.  I do know that what I order on Thursday and what I have now is IT!!  There will be no more coming my way so it will all be to taper correctly.  Also just so everyone knows, I'm not being totally selfish by not wanting to go through horrible withdrawal....I'll be armed with two weapons while I'm there.  I need to be fully functional....there is no other way.  

I cut down a quarter tab today.  I know its completely wimpy (Giz, you are NOT a wuss, you're stronger than I could ever be.  Are you hanging in there ok?) but I have to go so slow that it will seem like forever.  I've put that in my mind and I'm ok with it.  I look at it this way: I can either be clean a year from now, or I can continue just taking them and abusing and be in the same spot I'm in.  I'd rather work towards being clean, no matter how long it takes.

Giz - That's what we are here for....here, there is no reason to be ashamed, mad, embarrassed or anything.  Everyone on this forum are wonderful people and we're all here for each other.  We're here to help each other get through the horror that this drug has brought upon us.  

Hugs and love to all of you!  

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by MyFreedom, Oct 09, 2011
Icandothis ~

As long as you can commit to a firm schedule and keep your resolve to stay on that schedule no matter what, you'll do just fine. My doctor agreed that taking it slowly was best. I posted how I went about my taper on the previous page for Steve. I'll copy/paste it below for you. Maybe it can help you get yours set in stone. And to answer your question from a few days ago....Once I finally stopped after 1/4 of a 50mg tab every 12hrs.....I was fine. I thought I would have a crash of some sort and totally expected at least *some* acute w/d, but didn't really have any. I guess I went so slowly that I got a majority of my discomfort out gradually throughout the process. I did, however, have issues with diarrhea for a bit and bouts of restless sleep. Make sure you have immodium and something to help w/ sleep....something simple like advil pm or melatonin. Some suggest magnesium for restless legs...I would be careful with that simply because it can encourage the diarrhea. Take some B12 with you for sure and maybe some 5HTP (or have some sent to you) for when you've finally stopped. The B12 is great and some absolutely swear by the 5HTP. Don't take it until you've stopped and if you take any antidepressants, don't take it at all.

Now....Below is what I posted on the previous page. Hope maybe it can help:

I can tell you about my experience and how *I* did my taper with my doctors approval. In doing so, maybe you can come up with your own similar plan. I think I was one of the lucky ones because I had a doctor that was interested in helping me stop. She, like most of the doctors out there, was certain that tram was non-addictive (because her medical journals tell her so). I told her to humor me and go home and google tram withdrawal and read the real life side of this drug. To my surprise, she did and now sort of understands it.

Since I had tried once to go cold turkey and failed...a taper was the only route for me. She allowed me to come up with my own taper plan, however, she did make some suggestions. At the time I began my taper I was taking 3 50mg tabs 3-4 times a day. I would sometimes take 3 and a half in the mornings. She first told me to regulate the doses....meaning, to make all doses equal and to take them at equal intervals to set a rigid schedule. So I started taking 3 tablets every 6 hours. I don't recall the exact times, but I started with a 6 hour schedule. For instance, I would take 3 at 8am, 3 at 2pm, 3 at 8pm, 3 at 2am. I would have to set my phone alarm to wake me to take the 2am dose...I would keep the dose by my bed along with a glass of water so that I could take it and go back to sleep right away. I never missed a dose.

Once that schedule was established, I was on my way. I stayed on that schedule for a few days. Then I began to taper down. I took away 1/2 of a tablet at each dose...So I was then taking 2.5 tablets every 6 hours. After staying at that amount for a while, I then increased the time intervals to every 7 hours (again, using my phone alarm to wake me when necessary). After stabilizing from that, I then decreased by another half of a tab and was then taking 2 tabs every 7 hours. After staying at that amount for a while, I increased the time again to 8 hours.....etc, etc.

You get the idea.....I first established a regular dosage / time schedule. Then would decrease the dose, then increase the time between doses. I did this all the way down to 1/4 of a tab every 12 hours before stopping. Yes, I had mild w/d symptoms throughout the taper, but it was much, much easier than a cold turkey stop. Another thing is that I would stay at a particular dose for however long it took to become comfortable again.

Much love ~
:)

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by Icandothis10, Oct 09, 2011
My Freedom, you are awesome and an angel.  One question, when you cut a half pill out, did you do it to all your doses that day or just one dose?  I would think that dropping a half pill out of every dose would be a little quick wouldn't it?  I do see how the waiting longer for the first dose would work.  

The only think I can think is to listen to what my body tells me.  Once I lower, I know I need to stay at that until I am feeling good and have given my body the time it needs to take another cut.  When you go CT, it's very hard for me to believe that the body just isn't going into full blown shock, just in a different form.  

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by omgthisisserious, Oct 10, 2011
hello all! im brand new to the site and stumbled upon this site and convo while looking up tramadol ts uses and side effects because my boyfriend was perscribed tramadol and neurontin for leg pain due to neuropathy. i was perscribed this drug back in '98 as a pain reliever for migranes i was also perscribed a different drug i took daily to prevent migranes (i cant remember what it was but its irrelivent to the subject) my dr at the time told me it was a new drug that it worked in the morphine receptors in your brain and worked just like morphine except it didnt cause the high feeling and it wasnt addictive at all... she sent me home with a written perscription and a plastic bag jam packed full of samples (at least 200 pills) to save money... i took it and because i had never had opioid pain pills before i had no idea that the way they made me feel was normal and that thats the way all opioid pain relievers make you feel... the feeling totaly freaked me out and i called the dr telling her i though i was allergic to them because after taking it my heart was racing breathing was funny and i felt like i was floaing... when my boyfriend told me what he had been perscribed i told him what my dr told me about them... i am a herion addict have been for about 6 years off and on and as treatment for my opioid dependancy i started going to a methadone clinic for methadone maintnance... there are quiet a few drugs foods and drinks that cant be consumed while on methadone because they will either run all the methadone out of your body resulting in imediate withdraw or cause the levils in your blood to stay to high and cause overdose... tramadol was one that i had to stay away from while opioid dependent because it would throw you into immediate withdraw... during a clean time i had been perscribed tramadol for pain because i have a history of opioid abuse and once again they said it was non narcotic and non addictive therefor the best alternative to opioid painkillers...during my methadone treatment drs tried to perscribe tram for pain not knowing that it didnt interact well with methadone and again because of my history and/or because the dr didnt perscribe opioid pain killers period...ultram is the go to drug that drs have perscribed to almost every1 i know with a history of addiction of any sort!! until i happened upon this site tonigh i had no idea that the drs really know nothing about the drug and that it is so addictive!!  thank god its not something i ever abused because herion and methadone withdraw was hard enough and after reading all this tram wd is way worse!   i am discusted by the way drs pass out this drug as if its nothing harder or more dangerous then tylenol or aleve and have absolutely no idea they are starting their patients down a long roade to hell and back! this is totaly unacceptable to me!! in todays day and age a dr will perscribe a medication and not research it at all in order to know what it is they are perscribing?!?!!! there is something very wrong with this picture!!! i am so sorry that all of you are in this situation and for most simply because your drs had no idea what they were perscribing!! i am also thankful to you all for telling your stories for someone like me who only knows what the dr has told me about a drug and could have unknowingly been perscribed this drug and taken it with ease thinking that i was in no danger untill tonight!! THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH!! your stories are insperational and you have all been so strong and brave to go through what you have! like i said i have never been addicted to tramadol but i am a herion addict and having gone thru withdraw cold turkey from that and methadone neumerous times i know how horible it can be... most all of the wd symptoms are exactly the same as herion but wd from that generally takes 3-5 days  methadone can take up to 6 weeks but from what ive read about tram wd can be much longer and there are a few extra wd symptoms!!! to all of you who have just started the wd and those of you who have succesfully gone thru the wd i commend you! you are doing so well!! and keep up the good work it is all worth it in the end!! good luck o you all and goodnight!!

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by MyFreedom, Oct 10, 2011
Icandothis ~

Yep, cut a half from each dose....only until I got down below 1.5 tabs. After that, I cut quarters out from each dose. My doc explained that it's important to keep each dose exactly the same amount so that we don't give our bodies more at some times and less at others and create ups and downs. She said that can make the process worse. It really wasn't that bad....at all. I would stay at any particular dose until I was over the symptoms. If that meant staying at that dose for 3+ weeks, that's what I did.....until I was comfortable again. Then I would proceed with adding an hour between doses.

That's what worked for me.

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by Gizmok, Oct 10, 2011
Omg!!!! What a rough night.  Thank you icandothis, I don't feel tough right now. And I'm with you on having a loaded weapon and detoxing off this stuff, I would probably shoot myself in the foot. No sleep last night at all. I have not been able to keep anything in my stomach since yesterday. I think my crohn's is making it worse?  I am so upset right now, because detoxing from oxycodone and morphine (at the same time) was no where near as painful as this. Please pray for me guys I am in a whole new realm of hell and can't claw my way out.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 10, 2011
Giz do you have a bath tub?  Think you can take a hot bath?  That should calm you down a bit and make you feel better!

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by Icandothis10, Oct 10, 2011
Giz - don't forget to take some L-Tyrosine and L-Theanine (at night, it will calm you down and cut anxiety a bit)

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by legaljunky, Oct 10, 2011
Gizmok- We're all praying for you, it is the toughest battle you will ever go thru- 1 DAY AT A TIME, maybe 1 minute at a time.  I remember when I was at my worst to say it will get better was meaningless- it was unbearable right now.

  I found peppermint tea with honey helped my stomach, but I don't have Crohns.  Lots of magnesium helped the RLS and the horrible oppressive anxiety.

Sending you love and strength you never knew you would ever need.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 10, 2011
Ok Freedom, I think you just helped me out....I'm up to ten pills which means that I'll take 2.5 pills four times a day and cut a qtr out of each dose.  That's what I'll do.....I will do it so very slowly that I'll work my way towards being clean and retirement ;-)  Thank you for sharing your doc's opinion because I was just going to do it on my own....that does make sense though....one dose being higher can't be good.  That's what I'll be doing now ;-)

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by Icandothis10, Oct 10, 2011
Giz - How are you doing?  Checking on you!  Sending you an E-Hug!!  Big one!!

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by Gizmok, Oct 10, 2011
Oh gosh I'm not sure, my whole body is twitching right now for some reason. Must be brain zaps, it's a very strange feeling. I have taken two baths so far this morning, thank you for the suggestion, and they do help with the anxiety. I have always been a pretty laid back person, and being anxious like this is something I am not used to. My stomach oh gosh, my stomach hurts soooooo bad. Everything I eat or drink makes it hurt. Mint tea is my beverage of choice in the morning, I will have to try the honey in it later. Right now I can't move. I read somewhere on here where someone said they felt bad for their cat because she just could not be touched or cuddle, I feel the same way. We have 25 animals, 12 litter boxes, and 4 big ferret cages, and a very large energetic dog. I miss them.  My big dog is missing our long walks and very regular fetch games we play. I'm thankful for my husband, the litter boxes  and cages get cleaned twice a day, and he is doing it all. I have one kitty that is my boy, and he keeps trying to cuddle and I keep kicking him off. Lol poor guy, you think he would take a hint. thank you guys for praying, I keep telling myself one minute one second at a time.

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by MrKenny, Oct 10, 2011
Gizmok;  Keep Mildly Busy. ....Time passes faster and the distraction helps.  Do whatever mind tricks it takes to just keep going, moment by moment;... don't hide your withdrawal from loved ones; you need their support and understanding. Tell them what to expect and how long.
Drink lots of soothing tea or water, and read all the suggestions for surviving tram withdrawal. Go back a few pages; it helps knowing other people have gone through the same things.
Even the weakest cowards of us have beat this blue pill of Hell.
Kenny the Survivor

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by MyFreedom, Oct 10, 2011
Giz ~

Do you have an ipod? If so, it's a good time to get it charged and stick it in your ears lol! Music was an enormous help for me (and others too). Also, find something on TV to watch and sit on the floor in front of the tv and just do some stretching. It will help.

How many ferrets do you have? I have 2 now. I lost 2 others over the past year... one to a large abdominal tumor in September 2010 and the other to insulinoma 5 months ago (their pictures are in my profile). We just have 2 new ones now. They are a very sweet! We also have 2 cats and a 4 month old great pyrenees puppy. The puppy is like having a toddler all over again!  He's waaay too energetic. He keeps me busy!

Love and strength

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by Icandothis10, Oct 10, 2011
Giz - Gosh, I really wish I could say or do something that would make you feel the slightest bit better.  Just keep taking these suggestions and drink LOTS of tea and water.  The tea is helping me a bit but I'm so damn HOT!  I HATE being hot, I hate the heat, I hate the sun and I made a smoothie to cool me down.  I never wear shorts, I'm hanging out in shorts.  

I WILL NOT go over my dose just to feel better.  I will NOT take over what I have allotted myself.  Minute by minute, we're going to get through this.

I couldn't do this without my fur babies.  I have two labs, a very fat, lazy cat (my cuddle boy), and an Amazon parrot.  She doesn't like me as much as she does my husband.  Giz, I know you don't want to be touched but let the little guy lay with you.  He knows you don't feel good and he's trying to comfort you.  Some love and cuddle may make you feel a little better.

Hugs to you all.

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by omgthisisserious, Oct 10, 2011
my problem wasnt tram but the withdraw is pritty much the same as withdrawfrom herion or methadone besides the brain zaps...the only thing that got me thru the withdraw cold sweats muscke boan and joint pain skin prickles chills and cold sweats was a super hot bath and or shower... i was in the tub or shower more then bed or the couch... i didnt want to move stand or walk i didnt wanna get out of bed for anything but i forced myself up for a bath/shower... as far as not being able to rest or lay still the body achesand the restless leg syndrom the hot shower or bath was the only thing that helped i had xanes and benadryl to try to sleep they helped slightly but what i called the heeby jeebies (restless legs anxiety and the feeling that i just couldnt lay or sit still and the feeling like i wanted to crawl out of my skin) was soothed alittle by shower/bath and just may help you... when i got to the point where i had been laying forever with no relief and couldnt fall asleep i would crawl to the tub and turn the shower on as hot as i could possibly stand it and just curl up on my side in the tub or bottom of the shower curled n the feetle position with the hot water beating down on me sometimes it was so relaxing that i would fall asleep laying n the shower every once n a while i would switch sides so the hot water would sooth the other side of mu body too and during the times that the hot watherwasnt going to last for the long ammount of time i wanted to stay in the shower i would lay under the hot wather for a bit then put the plug in and lay back letting the hot water from the shower continue to beat deown on my body untill the tub was full then tiurn off the wather and lay back in the tub in the hot water as hot as i could stand and just lay there untill i felt alittle better or the water got cold by this time the hot water heater had heated all the water back up and do it all over again i spent hours in there some days when it was super bad! it used alot of water but the really unbearable days only lasted a few days and i figure the cost of the extra water was a small price to pay for the relief i got on the really bad days... then i would get out of bath take a benadryl or two to make me sleepy sometimes take them b4 the bath so they would be working by the time i got out dry off and curl up under a blanket naked which would hold the warmth in helping the chills in a dark room... something about the hot bath which soaked the warmth all the way into my boans would calm  me and my body resltess legs aichs and pains and i would always fall asleep for a little while sometimes for hours as long as noone came in and woke me up... when i woke if the achs and heeby jeebies had come back i did it all again... some days i spent all waking moments in the shower or tub then back to bed for more sleep... drink pleanty of fluid so u dont get dehydrated try to force yourself to eat as much as u can and sleep... if you can find a way to sleep through the first few day which seem to be the hardest then u sleep through the majority of the horrible feelings and pain...  the bath/shower routene helped me more then anything to relax my body enough to sleep but u have to get into bed as soon as u get out the bath in order to keep the relaxation it caused and the warmth throughout the body to stay relaxed and ease muscle and joint pain... i hope this helps some of you still dealing with the worst stages of wd and those of you who have gone through the worst part but still have restless nights and days sometimes...  xanex along with the shower routine helped me to sleep also if you can get xanex...u have to be careful not to take to much of it and not to take it for to long because u dont want to end up with benzo withdraw either!!  good luck to you all and keep up the good work you all seem to be doing very well! your family may look at you like ur nuts spending hours in the shower/bath but ignore their looks and comments and keep doin it it was a life save for me!!! good luck all!

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by Gizmok, Oct 10, 2011
Oh myfredom, we have 11 ferrets. :) I wuv them soooooo much, they are a kick in the butt. 8 of them we have had for about 3 yrs but the other three are babies. The two groups don't interact, and each group gets an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening to go crazy all over the house. We also have 11 cats, two dogs, and 1 snake. The dogs are an English setter (100lbs) and a chiuaua (3lbs) no lie. They are the funniest looking couple on our walks, but my little girl keeps up really well. They are both inherited dogs or we would have just stuck with the cats and ferrets. Thank you omgthisiserious, I am putting that bath and shower idea into practice. I took my dogs for a 20 min walk before I had to run and throw up in someone's hedge, a little embarrassing. :) so I am watching the Simpsons now. I am shaking like a leaf it's so strange. I get a prescription for lorazepam from my dr whenever I need it so maybe I'll call that in.  It's funny, I have never had a problem with that stuff, it was the opiates that did it for me. The benzo's not so much, but I have massive anxiety attacks sometimes so they come in handy. Before I took the opiates I used to smoke pot, every day for 10yrs, I loved it because it took care of my crohns like a champ. When I met my husband he could not stand it, so I made the choice to quit smoking. I had no problem with quoting that, but my stomach pain and my back pain was unmanageable, so the dr gave me the opiates for my pain.  Ahhhh that was awesome suddenly I was "on", I think they liken it to heroin. I was taking about 150mg of oxycodone and 90mgs of morphine a day. I am so thankful to have my life back from that pit, but this withdraw is soooooo much worse, I'm really surprised. Any ways sorry I rambled, thanks everyone your helping me try to take my mind off this. <3

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by Gizmok, Oct 10, 2011
Funny side note, the opiates ruined my marriage, and they were legal. My husband and I are getting a divorce soon, we are staying together out of convenience right now. I'm thankful that he is a good guy and we are still friends. :) it's funny he takes better care of me now, than he did before we discussed divorce. We won't stay together, neither one of us wants that. But I don't think this would have happened if I had not put that one pill in my mouth. I'm so thankful that my family is so supportive. But I am embarrassed by this one, because I swore it would never happen again. And I did not do the research.

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by legaljunky, Oct 10, 2011
I feel like so many of my Tram fighting buddies are fragile at this moment- Gizmok, omgthisisserious, Icandothis, and those I haven't heard from in a while.  My thoughts and prayers are with you all, I know you are struggling and successfully waging the battle because you're staying in it.  I'm there with you too. My battle has become easier with each day that passes.  At this point I'm always tired, impatient with everything, have memory problems and have trouble holding conversations- can't find words and feel confused. All of this is so insignificant compared to my early days.

We have a big Black Lab, Daisy, who makes everything better.  However- she is so concerned when my husband has heart problems but is oblivious to my health!  She just loves me.

I wish strength and love to all of you, I need you.  We're in this together- that's the good part

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by Gizmok, Oct 11, 2011
Okay, today is a better day, I actually got 5 hrs of sleep (not consecutive but still good) last night. My stomach is hurting but not as bad, and the sun is out.  To combat the hot flashes last night I opened my bedroom window all the way and slept in 50 degree temperatures. It really helped. I played a bit with my ferrets this morning and cuddled with the kitty. Work today should help me feel even better. :) Post at you later all, hope your day is wonderful.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 11, 2011
I have a black lab too...and a chocolate one!  Love my babies and I know they love me no matter what, no matter how bad I screw up or how bad I look.  There is nothing like the love of an animal

Giz - How was work?  I'm SO glad to hear you're doing better!  That's awesome news.  It's going to get better too.  

I'm on Day 3 of cutting down to 10 pills.  I'm trying to listen to everyone and stabilize at that.  The withdrawals aren't bad, nothing like what poor Giz is going through but you know what's funny?  I have very mile W/D and I know how they feel when they are ten times worse (if I didn't take anything vs. maintaining a little normalcy) and I am just AMAZED in a bad way at what these god awful pills can do.  They truly are the devil.  It's so bad what these things do to someones body and mind.  I ordered my other bottle today.  I really cannot wait until I'm down to one pill, I'll probably wean off of it for a month but I don't care.  Just the slight W/D's make me feel very aware of how nasty they can really be and for how long.  It's unbelievable!  I have to say that I do feel better than when I was popping about 30 a day.  I'm enjoying food again and just noticing that I am actually not feeling like I'm high all the time.  

I really do hate these things and every day, my phone still rings.  I want to answer it and tell the person on the other side to take a flying leap.  

Legal - I am so very glad you're here

Giz - I'm right here with you.  I'm so sorry to hear about your marriage.  Stop blaming yourself though.  That's not fair to your fragile mind right now and remember, it takes two.  Ok?  So stop blaming you....you are doing what you need to do for YOU.  Give those ferrets a big ole kiss for me.

Good night my friends...Giz - go get some more rest....you deserve it!  Hugs for you guys!

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 12, 2011
28 days today, 4 weeks, nothing to complain about. No negative symptons since day 8 or 9. on reflection the only way I did this was to free up two weeks and go cold turkey, tapering and talking about it didnt help me, I just locked myself in my room and descended into hell for 8 or 9 days, from 12x50mg to zero. It hurt but it's over, anyone can beat this. It's not easy but you will do it.  
May everyone return to a state of balance and health.


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by ullr, Oct 12, 2011
Thats good Steeve! Nice to hear you made it!
It was the same for me. Didnt manage tapering. Cold turkey. Acute for 10 days. Then better.

My problem is that I got a rush from tramadol, and that rush is just so gone now.  ;-)
Still have a way to go. My doctor told me 1-2 years....


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by MrKenny, Oct 12, 2011
Steve.... it is very good to hear from you... & read how you beat this *%#!* drug.  I was very concerned for you; as it seem like this crap was taking you into the abyss.     9 days of Hell to get out........dang, you are frickin Superman!
It's nice to see normal writing from you; you sound like a person that is finally out of Hell; 'demons exorcised'

To Everyone else still fighting...go back and read 'Tramadolsteve's / 'stephen32thailand' postings on this page & the previous page.     If he can kick it from where he was; I'm confident anyone can.
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by Gizmok, Oct 12, 2011
*zzzt* *zsnap* brain zaps. Lol my tummy is getting better as long as I just don't eat. Work was great, I get to work with veterans, and let me tell you, they keep me laughing all day. I was so tired yesterday that I came home and collapsed for about 4 hours and then was up most of the night. Hot flashes are going to make me melt. I think I am most depressed about the pain and not having anything to take to help. Any suggestions for long term pain that is completely 100,000% non addictive. :) I hope everyone is doing good
Icandothis, I know it's not all my fault, in fact it is his fault really, but I do think that my opiate use played a big part in how things went down. Thank you for the encouragement :) I love labs, they have a perfect temperament, and they are stinking cute. when are you leaving for Irac?
Steve- reading through your posts, I am soooooooooooo proud of you!!! Way to go, and yeah CT was the only way I could do it to, I have no tapering willpower. :)
Have a good day guys, post at ya later.

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by honorbounddane, Oct 12, 2011
hello everyone again,
well its day 18, slept about 2 hours last night and not sure the night before, i was up and down the whole night. i dont think that it is because of the withdrawing, ive always have had a problem sleeping cause i think too much and cant get my brain to slow down, ha ha ha ha. still a little anxious  but that has always been normal for me even before the pills. luckily no depression for a while, at least not in the sense of withdrawing from the pills, just the normal feeling of misery that ive felt my whole life. so it kinda seems like the worse is loooong past. weird part is that this time around, it wasnt that hard, not compared to the other times i was withdrawing. i really really really believe that the lyrica helped big time, it was the only thing that was different this time that i did. so, one day at a time is all it takes. unfortunately, im really dreading my back surgery in a couple months and hope that i dont have to do this again. anyways, everyone. keep up the hard fight. and dont back down. this is war against the thing that has robbed you of your spirit.

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by AU2000, Oct 12, 2011
Good Day!

I think I'm at one month, now.  Maybe I am getting better.  I'm not counting the actual days.
Last nite was bad.  OK until about midnight.  Woke up with horrible left knee pain.  Felt like it was frozen & going to
explode.  Really bad.  Took a Norco, yes it's prescribed, & finally got back to slept.  Maybe that was a breakthru night.

Because today, I really fell good.  One month ago I was in agony, showering every hour.  Now, we'll see.

I know one thing, if my wife hadn't taken control of my meds, I would have never gotten away from the tramodol.  I still think that is you are going to titrate, or have some other drugs that you should take thru this awful, w/d you should have a loved one meter out the dosage.  Otherwise I know I would have gone thru them like *hit thru a goose.

We can make it together, but not alone.

au2000

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by legaljunky, Oct 12, 2011
It seems like a couple days ago everyone's posts were so gloomy and now it seems like we are all on the up-swing.  Or was it just me?  I had a couple days of depression and it's gone now. But since the first tram free day I had this odd sense I didn't know who I was and that maybe I had always felt that way and Tram had masked it. But today for the first time off tram I know who I am.  I think the confusion is gone.  Or recovery will be 3 steps forward, 2 steps backward, etc.  Either way, it is so exciting!

AU- I had knee pain when I went to bed at night as I tapering and for a couple weeks of 0 tram.  I slept on my tummy with a heating pad under my knees and was able to get to sleep.  You reminded me- I don't have knee pain anymore!

Tramadoc, Icandothis, Steve, AU, Giz, Kenny, and all of you I can't remember at the moment (I have memory problems from Lyme) who are posting as I go thru this excruciating and now triumphant  experience- Thank you so much for fighting the fight with me!  Without all of you, I would have no sense of direction, no way out of the maze Tram created in my brain.  I realize I may still have hurdles ahead, who knows, but I know I am on the right track- we all are because we have each other and a common demon.

Hugs and strength!

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by legaljunky, Oct 12, 2011
I meant demon in common

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by Icandothis10, Oct 12, 2011
Hi everyone...I'm so glad to see everyone here.  I really, really am very happy for all of those who took the leap and went CT.  You are all so much better, stronger people than I could ever be.  Whether I would be off work and have the time to do it, I still couldn't.  I just couldn't, there is no way I could bare that kind of physical pain and depression for that many days.  
I wish I could do it, I really do.  Unfortunately, I HAVE to be able to function.  There is no way around that.  Plus, I have to say, I have absolutely NO desire to take over my dose.  The bottle of pills is right there and I wouldn't dare take any more than my tapering dose.  You know what is stopping me from doing it?  Knowing that if I indulge and take more, than I am right back to square one and even with tapering, I am realizing the massive effect that this stuff has on my body.  There is no way I would take more.  Plus, I know that I have to take each day and use it as a taper step because there is no way that I could abuse the pills, run out and then leave for overseas on full withdrawals....ohhhh  hheellllllll NOOOOOO!!  So, will power is not a problem for me.  

I took my taper down again today....just a half pill but I still got below 10 so I'm happy.  I have a little carrier that I take only the exact amount that I need in to work and that's it.  I've been popping Advil and L-Tyrosine too so that's helped a little too.  I cannot wait to be free from this crap....I have a feeling it won't be until I'm half way through my deployment but time is going to go by anyway.  I might as well take that time to get off this crap instead of just continuing to abuse and be the same damn way I was last year, or the year before.  

Hugs to you all!!  

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by tramsick, Oct 13, 2011
Can someone give me some insight as I am at the end of my rope.  Tramadol free for 57 days now with occassional weird anxiety feelings that plague me.  Has me up tonight after 7.5 mg of Valium to sleep.  Only take it at night.  Well, lately I've been returning to my rigorous workouts which I have loved all my life.  They have kept me medication free, except for the last tramadol slip, for years.  After a vigorous workout, I've noticed a recurrence of withdrawal symptoms.  Mainly anxiety, but deblilitating anxiety.  I have a 2 yr. old and I need to be here for him 100%.  I feel like I'm dying again, like I did in the first two weeks.  Shouldn't I feel better by now?  I thought excercise helped.  I took tram for 3 mos. 150-200/day until it started to make me physically ill.  I was forced to stop because of dizziness and horrendous anxiety episodes.  I am caught in a vicious triangle.  Any insight? suggestions?  You are all so incredibly brave and knowledgeable.  Did I do some permanent damage here? Ugh.

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by legaljunky, Oct 13, 2011
Tramsick- I think you are giving me a glimpse into my future.  I can only guess at what would help you, I think I will probably do all the things I was doing on day 1 Tram free.  Many of our fellow tram fighters have said Tram has a hold on us for a very long time.  I remember early in my recovery when my WD symptoms spiked I would take 1000 mcg sublingual B 12, magnesium, a cup of peppermint tea with honey and cayenne  and get onto the forum.  I don't have a precious 2 yr old who needs me like you have, so it's easy for me say.

I hope someone who has been there posts.
Meanwhile, we're all pulling for you, stay in the fight with us

I wish you and all of us strength and love!

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by tramsick, Oct 13, 2011
Wow, thanks legaljunky.  I can't tell you how much your post to me means.  I feel like I've lost myself and I don't know how to get back.  This is truly the devil drug.  I cannot stress more to anyone new to this drug.  Don't take it, it will ruin your life.  It will take you away.

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by tramsick, Oct 13, 2011
Hi brave ones.  Sorry to post so much but I'm having such a hard time. Getting throught my day today with a half of a 5mg valium.  I've never had to do this during the day, but the anxiety is really bad.  Really thought after 58 days I would be done with this.  I never felt I was on such a high dose.  Never thought I would go through months of withdrawals, if that is what this is.  Anyone have any long term experience on what I can expect?  I did go CT. I had to because Tram made me ill.  Often think I had some kind of serotonin syndrome. Tram is just a bad bad drug. I have found that being outside makes me feel better.  But it's getting cold and I can't stay out here all day.  I'm tired of being sick and managing symptoms day to day.  Want to return to my old life as normal.  It really wasn't that bad.  I don't know why I ventured down this slippery slope.  When will I get to feeling better? I'm beginning to get pretty hopeless. I fought the fight, so I thought...only to have it return again with a vengeance.

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by MyFreedom, Oct 13, 2011
tramsick ~

I'm sorry you are feeling so icky this far out. I strongly suggest maybe seeing your dr about it. I'm certainly no expert, but I'm inclined to say that you may not be dealing with the aftermath of tram...at least not completely. In all my reading the past few years I don't know that very many have had serious anxiety this far out. From experience and reading everyone else's experiences, the further out you get the better you get. I would still get bouts of anxiety for quite some time, but each time was less that the last. I don't think they ever increased with time. You may be dealing with something else....potentially seratonin syndrome? General anxiety, perhaps? I don't really know much about either, but just from reading/experience I wanna say that it may not be tram related...especially since you were on it for a very short time.

I hope you get to feeling better. Please keep posting and keep us updated.

Much love ~
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by legaljunky, Oct 13, 2011
Tramsick-
I've been thinking about you all day.  MyFreedom makes some good points, I would agree you ought to see a Dr. and that you may be going thru that lethal seratonin syndrome.  Please continue to post often.  We need to support each other and I'm in a good spot today and I want so much to be there for you while you are suffering.  Get thru it 1 second at a time if you have to.  Stay in the fight  no matter what.  It probably won't mean much to you now when you are in so much pain, but I had a time of severe pain, depression, anxiety and sleep loss caused by Lyme disease (years before I took Tramadevil) when the only thing that kept me going was that I have 2 children I love so much.  I got past the hell and I need you to too.

Talk-post to us, Tramsick!  We love you and I'm sending you love and strength!

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by tramsick, Oct 13, 2011
Thank you myfreedom and legaljunky.  Your support is incredible to me.  In my research of serotonin syndrome, I've found that once you remove the drug that causes the syndrome, my guess tramadol, you should get better...and considering all I've been through, I guess I should be honest and say I am better.I went through the hell a lot of people on this forum did.  I only take a progestin BC pill and the valium at night, can't imagine these could be getting me sick, but who knows.  I'm just frustrated at the anxiety flare-ups.  They frighten me. I'm seeing a neurologist and getting an EEG next month. Also scheduled to see a psychiatrist.  I'm just so scared I really did some damage here.  I have a family and want to be here for a long time.  Thank you so much for caring.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 13, 2011
Tramsick - That's awesome that you did CT....congrats.  I have to agree with everyone else.  I think you may be dealing with something non-tram related.  Maybe you should talk to the doc and let him know about your episodes.  I know that working out hard sometimes gives me a little anxiety so you may want to be careful with your body too!  It's the only one you have so be nice to it!  :-)  I do hope you feel better and welcome to the "we hate tramadol" group!  We are glad to have you

I took it down a qtr pill today.  I went from 13. 5 last weekend to 9.25 today.  Is that too slow?  I can feel a very slight few w/d symptoms during the day but when they hit, I pop some L-Tyrosine and Advil pound water and that helps.  I hope I'm not going too slow.  I have another bottle coming tomorrow (I really, really HATE that fact) but I have no choice.  I've been trying to figure out my taper schedule since I'll have quite a few pills.  

I had to fire 60 rounds on a pistol today so I took my first dose a little early.  I know I have to go slow so I can function to do stuff like firing live rounds but am I going too slow do you guys think?  

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by MyFreedom, Oct 13, 2011
Icandothis ~

Take it at whatever pace you need. Just stay the course no matter what. Again.....it took 5 months for me. Some may think that is terrible, but it worked (and worked well) for me. I know some find greater power in just putting that bottle of pills in the trash and being done with it all at once, but I couldn't do it that way. I found greater strength in being able to, in a weird way, look at that bottle of pills everyday and say to myself "I'm in the drivers seat now, not you, tram" and slowly, but surely *I* began to control tramadol....not the other way around. I found strength in that. Most of my symptoms (after each reduction) were mild too. Take comfort in the fact that you may have just ordered your last supply of tram! When I finally stopped I had a bottle of 60+ tabs left and another refill waiting at the pharmacy. Once I was done I gave the remaining pills to my hubby to do away with. For whatever reason, he never did anything with them. I found them a couple of weeks ago after a year and a half of being done with them.....in shock, I stared at them for a moment....smiled and went to the trash and dumped them out!

:)

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by legaljunky, Oct 14, 2011
Tramsick- How's it going today?  I'm good this morning.  I remember the feeling I didn't know who I was and that was just a few days ago.  Today I know who I am, and I imagine my head will become even more clear. And I remember from previous horrible times in my life, when I'm terrified, hurting, alone and isolating in my own little world, it's not time to make any decisions, they will not be rational.  Just keep on keepin' on, and share with anyone who will listen till some clarity comes from somewhere and then I can take action.

Icandothis-  My taper was from 400 mg Tram, I tapered once a week and I would have 4 days when I couldn't function and 3 days that were a little better.  At times when I had to function well, I stayed at my level until I had time to go into withdrawal hell and go back to tapering.  It sounds like you really need to function so go as slow as you need to.

MyFreedom- 568 days clean!  I will get there too!  You are our inspiration!  I was talking to an artist friend and said I don't think I have done anything really new in a couple years.  A few hours later I realized that's how long I was on Tram. Tram really stole who I am.

We're dealing with the Tramadevil and staying in the fight!  Tough but worth it!  Strength and love!

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by Gizmok, Oct 14, 2011
Icandothis-  I think that you are strong. Tapering probably has to be one of the hardest things that an addict has to do. I would not have been able to do the tapering because I am not strong enough. I see a pill I gobble it up. It takes real strength to take that "bull by the horns" and take control of the medication instead of it controlling you. How immensely satisfying it must be to take back your control. I really do think that what you are doing is much harder than ct. So I think that you are the real strong one girlie. <3 tramsick, I'm so sorry that you are having these difficulties. I am in agreement with everyone else this sounds like something else. I hope that you find the answer, meanwhile keep coming here for support, I have never met a better group of people.  It helps to get your feelings out.
MyFreedom, you are an inspiration.
Mya doctor gave me a prescription for Vicodin yesterday for my pain. I know he did not want to, really, but I had an MRI the other day and I have 4 herniated disks in my back two of witch I guess need surgery, so I was dying.  I told him that until I have surgery I need something to take once in a while when the pain gets to much to bear. I gave them to my husband so that he can dole them out because I know I can't be trusted. The thing I am thankful for is that my dr listened to me when I told him that I would rather be honest with him about what I was taking than do it behind his back.   He put his trust in me and it made me feel good that's told my husband about the prescription and I gave it to him. So for once I will be held accountable for what I take.   The old me would have hidden that prescription and it would have been gone in two days.
Thank you legaljunky, icandothis, honorbound and everyone else on here for being there for me to lean on. I find that my strength really is pulled from other people.
It was my birthday yesterday and all day I kept thinking this is the first birthday in many many years that I was completely sober, not controlled by any pill. This will be the best year ever. Hot flashes, brain zaps, and tummy issues aside this is going to be a grea day.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 14, 2011
Giz, you still have the brain zaps honey?  I'm sorry....I really am....but still, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! because you are clean!  That's awesome!!  Maybe a hot bath will help with those....they SUCK so bad....
I don't know if I should say this but you shouldn't have to live in pain every day because of your back.  What you're doing is perfect, have your hubby hold the bottle and use it when you need it!  The vicodin should help you feel a bit better or take the edge off.  Just remember, Vicodin is a pain pill, but it's NOT Tramadol!!

I'm home today.  Why?  Because my last bottle will arrive and I have to take it and start cutting them.  I don't know if I'm still mad at the fact that I had to order another supply but I am happy that I know when it arrives, it's not for me to open and start pouring pills down my throat and then worry about how I'm going to get the next bottle.  I'm sorry my friends, but if I can't taper with over 250 pills, then there is a serious problem.  There is NO way that I'll need another supply after this.   I will use every one of them taper and I am pretty sure that I'll be taking crumbles while I'm in Iraq.  No problem.  Thank you guys for making me feel better and making me realize that I HAVE to take it slow and it's going to take time.  I need to stop being in such a hurry and I need to get that through my head.  So, I took it down a .25 pill again today so that gets me down to 9 pills total for the day.  YEAHHH!  I made it under 10 which was what I wanted to do.  Gotta stay here for a while and then I'll cut out another pill maybe in about a week and half

Guess I should clean the house.  I took my Tyrosine, my Centrum, my iron....oh, and I took my Vit B!!  I took my dose minus .25 tab so off I go to.....to......to I DON'T WANT TO CLEAN THE HOUSE!!  anyway.....love you guys!!!

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by DamTram, Oct 14, 2011
Hello, old and new friends!

I went cold turkey off of this mess this last January, which WOULD make me almost 9 months off...

...but I intentionally relapsed at the beginning of July.  Tramadol had ruined my life, and my family and I were all moving from the midwest to the west coast so that I could start a doctorate program.  I was dealing with severe back pain since March, and was having to move all by myself, with my station wagon, from my apartment (lease was up July 1) into my parents' house, and then drive across the country mid-July, and then move everything back into my new apartment.  I was in a ton of pain, and didn't know how I was going to survive...so I filled a prescription that had been written for 180 trams back in January, that I had never filled.

I took them for 3 weeks, and luckily had nothing to really do until mid-September...and did the withdrawal again.  I was taking a ton of other stuff (seroquel, lyrica, valium), so the acute withdrawal wasn't as bad...but believe me when I say that I am only NOW starting to feel totally functional.  

I avoided coming back here out of shame of an INTENTIONAL relapse, but am now far away enough to speak about it.

The back pain is gone.  I am only on a tiny bit of seroquel and a tiny bit of clonazepam, since sleeping will always be an issue for me.  I'm hoping that I can continue to get off of them, and go on to the completely natural route for the future.

I never thought I would want another tramadol, and wasn't having cravings, so whomever said those are DANGEROUS thoughts was RIGHT!  When I was filled with the hopelessness created by the gap between what my body COULD do and what it HAD to do, I looked right back to the pills that had ruined my life (especially since I didn't have a life at that point to ruin, anymore).  I know now that it is NOT AN OPTION, since it takes months and months (even if you only take it for a few weeks!) to recover, both brain and body.  I have dreams about Tramadol.  I think about getting Tramadol.  But I don't do it.  I've come too far, a second time, and I can only hope that these cravings will eventually fade.

I am 3 months off, since relapsing.

Once I got to the west coast, I realized that the apartment I'd rented was a million miles from school and too loud that I could EVER sleep, so moved after 6 weeks of insomnia.  Again, me by myself with my station wagon, making 20 trips across the city, but WITHOUT TRAMADOL.  And I was still in recovery!  So, it was important that I did this, as it showed me that I did NOT need chemical induced strength, even when I was at my weakest.  

Anyway, I just wanted to update that I was not, in fact, dead.  But, yes, had relapsed.  But now that I've gotten a second chance after ruining my first life, I won't be turning down the tram path ever again.

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by Gizmok, Oct 14, 2011
Thank you icandothis. You really are so strong, I think that if you are able to take control of your use of the medication that takes amazing strength, so I applaud you. And under 10 pills a day, that is a huge accomplishment, congratulations. :).
Yes 36 and finally sober. I felt really bad asking the dr for Vicodin yesterday, but I told him there was no way that I was going to take the tramadol. He acted like he knew the risks of taking the tramadol, he just said, "oh, it's not for everybody, some people love it and some hate it.". He did say that he was proud of me for recognizing the signs of an addictive medication. He said that it shows progress, that I am able to walk away from it. But I really am in soooooooo much pain, it's amazing. I have been taking handfuls of ibuprofen, and that's not good for me because of my crohn's, and it does nothing for my pain when it's really bad. This is a huge test for me having a full bottle of Vicodin in the house wit me. I mean shut, there was a time I would have taken 10 of them I one go, and that would have done nothing for me but keep the withdraw at bay for a couple of hours. I took two last night and threw up 30min later because it was to much to take two at once. 2 Vicodin to strong for me!!! I was amazed and sooooo happy. When I have surgery they won't have to give me the strongest drug possible, woot!  My pain can be handled without overdosing. I am thankful for this site and all of you guys, because without coming here every day and getting support, it would not be as easy to keep my sobriety.
DamTram- I am soooooo proud of you, reading through your posts, you really struggled. You are doing great and you are a major inspiration. Don't feel ashamed for relaps, it is a fact of life and does not mean you are weak or anything. If anything when you relaps that is when you need friends the most, to help pick you back up. Really glad that you are back on the path and you cando this. I know it, life on the other side is beautiful. Good luck with your schooling. Please keep coming back, even if you relaps, everyone here understands better than you think. :)
Have a blessed day all

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by tramsick, Oct 14, 2011
Hi everybody.  I just wantted to let everyone know who is doing a taper that you are on the right track.  Keep your spirits up and don't give up.  I only went CT because tram made me very sick all of a sudden and I didn't have a choice.  It is a seductive drug for sure.  I remember the energy it gave me and how clean my house was and all the gourmet meals I used to whip up like nothing all while taking care of my 2 yr. old.  I thought I had found Nirvana.  Remember though, that this feeling won't last and at some point tram will turn on you. So keep up the fight, no matter how you do it, you'll get throught it.

I'm feeling okay today.  Seems the episode has passed, although my head hurts sooo bad.  I'm seeing many specialists to find out what I've done to myself.  I'm almost certain whatever it is, it is because of the tram.  I've always been really healthy.  Been to urgent care once and ER twice through all of this.  It has been hell. Hopefully the neurologist and psychiatrist I will see next month will give me some hope. I just feel like I've paid the price and I want so badly for all of this to be over with.  I want to return to life as it was before tram. It's been a long time for me clean, 59 days...and I desperately need some repreive...

I don't know if Amy is still out there, haven't seen a post from her in awhile...but if you are, I remember you saying after day 90 or 70 or so, I can't remember, that you were finally out of the tramadol fog.  If you see my post, can you let me know what you meant.  Is it normal for some to keep getting episodes so late in the game?  

Thank you to everyone.  I love that I found this journal.  You are fighters and I appreciate each and every one of you!



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by Icandothis10, Oct 14, 2011
Nobody should be ashamed of relapse and everyone MUST understand that they are NOT bad people because of the devil pill.  This pill can take down the strongest of people.  I don't like to go back on my past but I come from a pretty abusive past.  I remember being tormented on a daily basis by my stepmother, watching my sister get beaten for 45 min straight.  I remember losing my real mother a week before my first deployment whom I never met and was supposed to go meet for the first time.  I was too late.   I remember getting out of the Pentagon on 9-11-2001 and taking 6 hours to get home, I remember being afraid of the DC sniper because I used to get gas where one person was shot, I am getting ready for my sixth deployment, I can take care of myself and shluf off many things that a lot of people find devastating.  I've been through some sh*t......I'd do it all again to go back and never put a Tramadol on my tongue

I cannot BELIEVE how this drug can literally change who you are.....but MyFreedom was so right and hit it spot on....it's time for ME to take control....f*&*^ this pill and the dirtbags who created it.  

Love you all  

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by legaljunky, Oct 14, 2011
Icandothis-I have no words--You have astounding innate resources! What more can I say? I feel so lucky to have you in the Tram fight with me, my battle is so much easier.  I found tapering easy and was afraid to go CT because I heard about seizures and I didn't know what other awfuls there might be.  And I never did crave Tram, I guess because I was only up to 400 mg a day. It's funny, when I quit smoking 30 years ago the cravings were so bad I couldn't taper, I had to go CT.

Damtram-  I think its possible for any one of us to be seduced back, its addictive and when our backs are to the wall and our defenses are down- well, I'm gonna say that I will look to this forum.  Welcome back-you know how wonderful it is!

Tramsick- I'm so glad you are a little better today and I pray for the day when your pain will be managed. I never had great energy on Tram.  It's amazing how different we all are, and so wonderful we can all help each other in recovery.

Today started out good, but I quickly got very tired, tummy and head ache, and hot sweats.  Manageable, I didn't accomplish anything but recovery today and that's OK

Love and strength to all my recovery buddies!





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by Icandothis10, Oct 14, 2011
It's funny that we're talking about energy.  I've noticed that the energy that I did get from Tram was false and not good for me.  Yes, it got me all hyped up but so much so that I would have to pop Tylenol PM to get to sleep and then I couldn't get my hiney out of bed in the morning.  Plus, I had all that fake energy so I'd be flying around doing stuff and I would get so hot!  I mean like a weird type of hot...I'd sweat and wouldn't be thirsty so I know I wasn't hydrating properly.  Now that I've cut so much of those pills out of my daily routine, the energy that I do have is genuine and and doesn't have the crash like the Tramadol energy.  

I'm tired today too....that's ok though, it's ok to be tired.  I know that I'm not going to run into the bathroom and pop 5 or 6 trammies to get rid of that late afternoon tired feeling....now, I pop the L-Tyrosine and B6 and feel so much better.

LegalJunky - What I tell ya?  You deserve pampering...get some candles and take a nice bubble bath and then paint your toe nails ;-)  I hope you feel better!  Drink some tea too!

I can't believe how much I look forward to talking with my new friends now.  Thank you all....Love ya!


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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 14, 2011
Can someone help me?

I'm new here, and the short story is that after being on about 16 tablets per day for three years, I tapered down to 2.5 tablets over the past 5 weeks.  Being a single dad raising two small children, I really had no choice and had to tough it out by myself at home.

I've gotten past the worst of the withdrawal (brain shivers, feeling horrible, full-on panic attacks, RLS, etc.), but I still have anxiety attacks most days.  I only have a little bit of Ativan (a benzo) to help.

Does anyone know of a way to control anxiety without relying on a benzo?  I'm already taking 5-HTP and L-Tyrosine.

Thanks.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 14, 2011
Single Dad - Have you tried L-Theanine?  It's an herbal supplement that you can get at the Vitamin shop that is supposed to help with Anxiety.

2.5 over 5 weeks?  Wow, you're awesome....I couldn't do it.  You've really accomplished something!  Good for you!  Good luck

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 14, 2011
Icandothis,

I didn't intend to drop so rapidly, but I was forced by my body.  For some reason (and it's all kind of blur), once I started tapering fairly aggressively, I actually felt much worse staying at that dose.  If I took more than half a tablet at a time, I felt like death, whereas I used to take 5 tablets at a time.  So I quickly dropped to half a tablet 5 times per day.  I can't explain why I reacted like this.

I think you misread what I typed - I actually dropped by 13.5 tablets in 5 weeks; from 16 per day to 2.5 per day.  I suppose that was nearly cold turkey.

The worst is over, but I'm still anxious and timid, like I just want to stay home in bed.  It's amazing how strongly we are affected by our brain chemistry.

I am looking into L-Theanine right now...thanks for the suggestion.

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 14, 2011
I was so bad when i was going through the final days of absolutely stopping that I actually was very rude to Emily and other people in this forum and then subsequently had to ask Emily to delete my posts because they were so embarrassing.

I really went through hell but still beat this crap. I dont think I could take it again, whenever I think about it I just remember the brain zapz, the horrible sensation in my internal organs, all of my bodily hair feeling like rusty pins, the intense zombie dreams and being so weak that I couldn't leave my bed.

I beat anxiety, agrophobia and depression when I was younger so I don't suffer with that aspect. For that I practice meditation, affirmation, light exercise and courage. Courage is a muscle that you must exercise everyday, if you dont it atrophies. my depression, anxiety and agrophobia were crippling a few years ago, I believe now thay they were spiritual in nature and drove me to grow and answer questions that I had been ignoring. I actually believe that the whole Tramadol thing was a spiritual experience too.

If you want to stop this you can do it, i think it's like anything, you must want it 100% before you will stop?
Love and respect and wishing everyone physical and mental balance.
Steve

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by MyFreedom, Oct 14, 2011
SingleDad ~

A lot of people swear by Hylands Restless Leg remedy. I'm pretty sure you can pick it up at any pharmacy. I didn't learn of it until after I was past that phase, but again....many say that it is great....particularly at night. Also, eat foods with lots of potassium....bananas, almonds, etc. Potassium helps with the skin/muscle crawly feeling. I also found it helpful just to sit on the floor and stretch for a few minutes.

I love L-Theanine. I actually still pop one every now and again. Day or nite, they are great.

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by MyFreedom, Oct 14, 2011
By the way....Steve.....I am so proud of you!! I'm happy that you are back with us. I saw those posts that you are referring to and I knew that it wasn't the real Steve that we all know. It was the dark side of tramadol that had gotten to you that day.

You've come a long way. You should be proud of yourself!

:)

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by legaljunky, Oct 15, 2011
Steve-  I agree with you-  Tram is a spiritual experience.  Tramadevil stole who I am and little by little I am finding my way back to me with the help of all of you.  Just getting on and reading posts is so uplifting and I feel a deep connection to everyone who posts. It is a spiritual bond.  So wonderful.

With all of you I can stay in the fight and even tho I have some tough days , like yesterday and today so far, I have to say I enjoy posting and dumping my troubles.  Peppermint tea with cayenne and honey for my tummy, sublingual B12, extra magnesium, potassium and I will do as little as possible today.

Tramsick- How's it going? I'm pulling for you!
Icandothis- Took a long hot shower.  The other stuff's just not for me!  But thanks for the kindness- do the same for yourself!

Love and strength to all my Tram fighting buddies!



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by honorbounddane, Oct 15, 2011
tramsick,
one of the reasons you are feeling symtptoms after you work out is because the tram binds to your fat cells, so when you work out, your body lets some of whats still in your body out and you get the withdrawals going again. but you need to work out to get your natural endorphine levels up (which is your bodys natural opiate) and to boost your serontonin. and as for everyone else who is still going thru problems even after we have been off the drug for weeks, its just PAWS doing its job. it will take from 6 months to 2 years. but it just depends on the person and your body. just deal with it the best you can, its hard, im going thru the same thing. eat chocolate, or eat salsa or a chili pepper, have sex. anything to boost you endorphines. oh, and lots and lots of water to get your body back into balance. hope this helps.
for being 31, i had to learn alot about this crap to ensure that this time was the last time. and i know no matter what, this will be the last time i have to do this. oh yeah, 21 days. woo hooo.

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by tramsick, Oct 15, 2011
honorboundane! Congrats on 21 days!  THANK YOU!  I had a suspicion it had something to do with the workouts.  Read here in the forum once that tram binds to fat cells.  This gives me the explanation I need, but 6 mos. to 2 yrs. is going to be tough.  I've paid a big price with this tramdevil, just want it to be over.  I have to say that I'm getting better at managing the anxiety attacks, racing heart.  At least my arms aren't numb and tingly anymore.  I'm not going to stop with my fitness.  If each workout means getting this poison out of my body, I'll keep on doing it.

Icandothis, thank you for your sincere concern.  Today is a good day, just feeling depressed at the fact that this is going to be with me for awhile.  We are all suffering in our own different ways because of this devil drug.  I have to get through it, just like all of us will.  I'm not giving up and I send all of you hope and strength.  We will get through this!

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by Icandothis10, Oct 15, 2011
I took my dose down about a half a pill and went Halloween shopping with the girls.  I was tired but ok.  Every time that I start feeling a little down, I just tell myself that it's physical and not emotional.  Basically, I remind myself that it's the seratonin or endorphines or whatever trying to work again because they haven't had to work in so long.  AND I tell myself that I have you guys and myself and there is NO way I would pop more than I need to.  I also remind myself of what you guys say....one day at a time.

I'm tired...but it's the end of the day, I have been running around all day.  I actually realize that this IS NORMAL.  I'm NOT supposed to be all hyped up after a busy day.  It's called nature and Tramadol has taken our nature away from us.  I'm going to make some pizza, drink some water (by the way, water never tasted so good, my body is so thirsty since I stopped swallowing only Tramadol) and I just drink it until I'm satisfied.  It's ok that I have to get up and go pee all the time.  

Love ya guys

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by legaljunky, Oct 15, 2011
Honorbounddane-  21 days! Congrats!
What is PAWS?  And do you know if the hot sweats have anything to do with ridding our bodies of Tram?
I had a good day with a close friend even tho it was a tired day and had trouble finding words.
It's all just part of 1 more good day off Tram!

Love and strength to all of us!

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by MyFreedom, Oct 15, 2011
PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome (or Symptoms)

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by tramsick, Oct 16, 2011
i didn't know what PAWS was either, so thanks.  I'm definitely going through this.  I am 61 days tram free today, but still getting the withdrawals.  Terrible anxiety, headaches and just a general creepy feeling, like i could fall apart any minute.  I'ts scary and i'm tired of it, and just plain tired.  My energy level today is bad.  Can't have any coffee, I LOVE coffee, because it makes everything worse.  Can't sleep because i have a very active 2 yr. old, but just waiting for his nap.

I hope everyone is having a better day...Again, glad i found all of you.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 16, 2011
Tramsick,

Maybe it helps to know that I have the "could fall apart any minute" feeling too.  I was so confident before withdrawal - now I feel like a mouse.  But I do seem to keep getting better - most of my worst symptoms have passed.

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by EmilyPost, Oct 16, 2011
Single Dad ... I think what helped me the most with that feeling was getting mad. Getting really angry about this drug and going to War against it.  It's going to pass.  Just know that!

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 16, 2011
EmilyPost,

It's nice to see you on here!  I read through a lot of your older posts, but haven't seen you online lately.  You seem to be the heart and soul of this place.  Thanks for all of your work in helping us - you probably have no idea how many people you have touched with your support and good information.

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 16, 2011
33 days! I cant believe the amount of energy I have again. 1 hour run, 1 hour swim and 1 hour badminton yesterday, intend to do the same again today, up at 6 am and sound asleep by 9pm!

I would love to share 3 things that I did to beat this drug that might help:

1) I created an excel database of my hourly recovery in the first 10 days, it recorded the time, my emotional feelings, my thoughts and my physical symptons I also colour coded it from red to green, its nice to look at it now to see what I went through.
2) I spent 4 hours deciding what I wanted for everything in my life and then made a list of 10 things that i needed to do everyday to achieve these things, things like: meditate, exercise, eat healthy, read, dont watch TV, etc. I then bought a note book and filled out the pages with the date and the things I needed to do as headings. Then every morning I filled in for the previous day what I did, writing comments about how I felt about not achieving and achieving my goals. I of course didnt achieve anything for the first 3 days but then gradualy a managed to start achieving little stuff.

3) I made a fuss. I told everybody about my addiction, set a date, told them I was going to withdraw and then kept them informed, real people not internet people. People you have to look in the face. I haven't got any family here so I dragged my Thai Neighbours into it. I was then to embarrassed to relapse. Now they are close friends. I stopped using internet forums and stopped tapering and just jumped. It was the only way for me, painful and maybe even dangerous but I would never have quit just talking about it.

I agrea with Emily I think it was Intense anger that did it in the end, after blaming everybody and everything and embarrassing myself on many levels my anger turned to the Tramadol.

You can do this, its a big fat demon sitting in the way of your health but you can thoroughly and comprehensively kick its f'ing *** and then feel good about being a tuff SOB.

Sending you my love and encouragement and wishing everbody physical and mental balance.

Steve

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by Icandothis10, Oct 16, 2011
I'm angry....very angry....I became moreso when the dingbat called me and when I told her that I am done with their poison, she tells me "the only cost to you is one hundred...." I cut her off and told her that she obviously wasn't listening.  

Steve - you are so right....it's too embarrassing to tell someone that you are going to do something and then not do it.  There is no way that I could go back on what I promised when I told my husband.  I'm so happy for you Steve.  That's great to hear.  Congratulations!  You are a hero for us and yourself

Keep fighting...I am taking my dose down a lousy quarter pill tomorrow but it's still some kind of progress.  

Love and strength for you guys!

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by tramsick, Oct 17, 2011
62 days today tram free and I'm ANGRY.  Barely any sleep last night with a valium.  I'm angry at this drug.  I can't believe it's on the market and labeled safe.  I wish doctors could read our posts, although I don't know if anything would get through to them.  I'm so f%$^& sick of being sick.  I'm beginning to feel defeated and I've never felt this way.

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by legaljunky, Oct 17, 2011
I actually had a very good day today after a few days of being very tired and feeling like I wasn't in totally in touch with my self or the world.  And I didn't exactly realize that until today when I had lots of energy and can think straight.  I  am grateful  for today and know there will be more withdrawal ahead, now I know Tramadevil can stay in my system for 6 mos. or more.

Tramsick-  My thoughts are with you, please hang in with us.  Tram is evil and we can't let it defeat us.  For me, I know I just have to hang on 1 more day, one more minute, 1 more second than Tramadevil does.  Today was easy but you have shown me that every day won't be.
I'm sending you and all of my Tram fighting family strength and love.

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by tramsick, Oct 18, 2011
Legaljunky, thanks for all your kind words.  If there is anything I've learned from these posts is that withdrawal hits everyone differently.  I hope and pray you don't experience what I have, and chances are you may not. I really don't want you to.  I'm functioning on very little sleep and have a horrendous headache, managing the anxiety, but I'm still here, still in the fight.

Was it you that gave the idea of peppermint tea, honey and cayenne?  If it was, you are a genius.  Really helping me today to be in the moment and alert. Thanks!

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 18, 2011
Does this make sense to anyone?

I've had all of the typical withdrawal symptoms, but not fatigue.  Yesterday, I walked a mile (which is way more than normal) and stayed up an hour later than normal.  This morning, I felt terrible and just laid around until afternoon.

Has anyone had a similar experience?  Is intermittent fatigue one of the withdrawal symptoms?

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by tramsick, Oct 18, 2011
singledadontram, I never had fatigue in the beginning.  My experience was that my anxiety was so bad I could not relax.  Are you feeling anxious?  Anxiety can really get you going, but eventually it catches up with you.  So, be good to yourself.  Try to force yourself to rest as much as you can.  It's so hard to get good rest in the beginning and it can lead to fatigue.  Everyone's symptoms can be so different though, that's why it's such a wicked drug.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 18, 2011
There's plenty of anxiety, but I've got some L-Theanine arriving tomorrow.  I'm also reading a highly-rated book on reducing anxiety using breathing and other techniques.

I'm concerned that I damaged my adrenal glands from being on tram for three years, and then from the stress of withdrawal.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 18, 2011
For those of you who have made it through withdrawal, how long did it take until your mood returned to normal?  I'm laying  around, sad and unmotivated, in a dark, flat mood (about 5 weeks of tapering from 16 tabs per day down to 2.5, and have been holding that dose steady for now).  Skies are gray and winter isn't far off.

God this *****.

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by legaljunky, Oct 18, 2011
Hi Tramsick-  I don't remember who posted the peppermint tea, honey and cayenne, that was a long time ago when I was pretty cloudy headed. The tea, honey and cayenne each play a part in our recovery. The tea for stomach upset and I don't remember why the others work but my son who has a masters in nutrition confirmed that they are good in a lot of ways.  I know cayenne is a natural antibiotic and that honey is naturally antiseptic but I don't know if all that has anything to do with our recovery. And way before I started posting I read lots of Tram warriors posts and started tapering and using all the info about what to take for my symptoms.  I finally got brave and got on the forum. I shouldn't have waited- this is such a supportive, uplifting group of people- I feel so connected to and love you all.
I'm having a colonoscopy (routine) on Fri so I'm off most of my meds and supplements since yesterday, and I don't feel the change--- YET!
Singledad-  I have found that good days can turn bad in the blink of an eye and bad days can flip as well. Another Tram warrior said he was taking potassium for energy, I already do so I added a banana to my daily routine. All my symptoms come and go with no pattern, I know I can count on how I feel for this minute only.  Luckily my kids are grown and out of the house, I am an artist and don't have to work unless I can handle it, my husband helps a lot, and today I feel excited about having won the battle against Tramadevil for today.

I'm having an easy time compared to you and many others, probably because I only took 200 mg a day for 2 years.  I tapered slowly.  I dropped 25 mg and felt awful for 4 days, a little better for 3 days and then dropped another 25 mg. The last 4 days on 40 mg tram and then 4 days on 0 were pure hell.  Day 5 was a little better.  Since then it has been up and down, depressed then excited about 0 Tram, lots of exhausted days and some with some energy.

Other warriors said to expect a huge change around day 30 of 0 Tram, and on day 33 my head cleared noticeably. I was less confused.  Until day 33 I didn't know exactly who I was and felt that I probably had always been like that and a Tram high had masked those feelings of insecurity.  On day 33 I became the person I had forgotten.  And I guess there will be more clarity to come and from what others say I can have withdrawal hell at any time in the next 2 1/2 years.  So I focus on today.  That is all anyone has.

Hang in there with us, Singledad, I think it makes sense to stay at your dose till you feel better and if you're like me, you will. And if I look back at the whole experience I know I am better and will eventually be done with this fight.  So exciting!

Hugs and strength for all of us!


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by Icandothis10, Oct 18, 2011
Hi all - Looks like I won't be going to Iraq after all!  I'm headed to Kuwait....same sh*thole in the middle of the sand but I've been before and am familiar with what's there.  Anyway, I read something today about DXM helping with withdrawal symptoms.  So, since I took my dose down another quarter of a pill, I was having a few sweats and thought I would try it.  I popped two Dayquil and it works!!  Singledad, tramsick, if you can, give this a try.  It works and helps sooth the shakes, the sweats and other "flu like" symptoms that you may have with withdrawal.  I do have to admit my withdrawals are minimal since I'm tapering so slowly....I am however, down below 9 pills a day and still cutting a little bit every couple of days.  

Singledad - It sounds to me like you just tapered way too quickly and you're suffering now.  I'm so sorry.  That's what I was taking was about 16 and I know that I couldn't taper in 5 weeks down to 2.  There's no way.  Get a pill cutter and taper a quarter of a pill every 5 days or maybe even 7 and hopefully, it will keep your full blown withdrawals under control a bit.  Also, go and get some cough medicine.  I'm not trying to push everyone into taking something else, but the OTC DXM DOES sooth some of these symptoms.  I did a lot of reading on it and there is a lot of literature that says it does.  They've used it for heroin and opiate addiction.  It does help a lot....you're not going to running around singing "It's a beautiful morning" but you will be able to function and have a better sense of normalcy

I thought I would share with everyone that while I was at my desk today, I was working on a little bit of an irritating issue and like clock work, my phone rang.  I already knew who it was so I grabbed the phone and stepped out of the office.  I went into a private area of the building and answered it.  After she gave me the typical "how are you doing" and the fake name (I'm sorry, her name was NOT Denise Jones, not with an accent like that), I told her that whatever she needs to do to take me off her little list, needs to be done and done now and that she is basically selling POISON.  I cut her off and told her that this drug has literally ruined many people and they are going through hell trying to get back to normal.  I basically went off and told her that her and her drug dealing company need to stop (**$%%^&*  calling me.  I didn't give her a chance to say anything, I just hung up.....

I absolutely HATE coming here and reading about you all, my new friends, that are now a huge part of my getting through this tapering process, suffer.  I don't want you guys to suffer.  I don't want you all to not feel well and go through withdrawals.  I do want everyone and all of us to be well and happy.  However we choose to get there, I'm there with you.  Try the DXM you guys.....c'mon, lets keep going.  

Love you guys

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by Icandothis10, Oct 18, 2011
Oh - Legal, when you say cayenne, do you mean tea, powder, supplements or what form did you take it in?  

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by ullr, Oct 19, 2011
Hi there..

Good to hear that there is so much positivity here now. You are good, everybody.
To you who are in beginning: dont forget that this is a long struggle. Unlike all other opiates.

Getting through the first 10-15 days of acute withdrawal is hard and painful, but it really is difficult to realize is that you somehow are not completely healthy. The weeks and months go by, and do not let go. For me that part has been tough.
You think that when 3 or 4 or 6 months has passed you will do fine, but you are not. You still feel that tramadol holds you back and push you down. Steeling your energy and spirit.
And all the other shiith that follows. Veight gaining. I have never in my life been as fat as I am today.  

I can only lean on what others have said that you will be fine. It just takes a long time.
Someone said here once, I do not remember who, that the chemical composition of tramadol is very similar to MDMA (Extasy pills).

I am on the sixth day with pneumonia.
Have started to get better after I got the right antibiotics, but I have been really down for the count.
(Was never sick when I used the tramadol. Apart from the symptoms of toxicity: headache, vomiting. If I took more than 2000 mg daily for several days I was sick.)
Exhausting.
Was at the doctor today. The hope that I could get some cough syrup with morphine, but he just smiles at me when I ask about it ... I do not think I would get a relapse with a bottle of cough syrup, but he knows me now, and is careful.

Another thing I found out at the doctor, was that my elbow (which was the reason for the tramadol misery) is full of osteoarthritis.
The question is that I must probably have an artificial elbow. When there are more operations and more pain ...
Well well.
Not so positive from Norway today dough...

Good luck guys!

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by MyFreedom, Oct 19, 2011
I agree with ullr ~

This whole process takes time. Whether or not you are tapering (fast or slow) or stopping cold turkey, it will take time to heal. I really didn't feel "normal" until about 4-5 months out...then I sort of hit a plateau at that point and my biggest turn was at about 10-11 months out. I am now 18 months free. I know that you guys don't want to hear that it takes a long time, however, please remind yourselves that it will take time to undo all that we've done to our bodies. I took tram for 8 years. I knew that it wouldn't be a quick recovery. You have to tell yourself, quite often through the process, that this healing time (no matter how long it takes you) that it is worth it.....and continue on with the fight. Just think about it....what's 6 months or a years time in comparison to your whole life? Isn't it worth it to reclaim your mind and body from this drug instead of giving in to a pill?

I actually think some of the misery and discomfort associated with withdrawal and crucial to staying clean. I mean, if we were "all better" in a few days or even a month, we would be so much quicker to pick up another pill because it's so easy to stop. This way we know what we are getting ourselves into if we even think of popping a tram again. There's something to be said for the strength you can draw from getting through this mess and coming out on the other side clean and tram-free. You just have to be willing and determined to invest the time that is required.....however long that is.

I hope what I'm saying makes sense....

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by tramsick, Oct 19, 2011
Hi everyone...I'm struggling with the fact that it's going to take so long to get better in my case, as it is in others.  My anxiety is daily now and I'm getting a really weird symptom.  Every time I eat a meal my head is getting so hot!  Once my food metabolizes I get back to normal, but the feeling throws me into anxiety again.  I'm trying so hard to keep it together without having to take a valium, but I've found myself just having to take 1/2 a 5mg tab to get through the day.  I used to only take a 5mg tab just at night.  I've tried homeopathic treatments, herbal treatments, teas for the anxiety, but they are just not working.  I cry every day and I fall apart every day and I am 64 days clean of tram.  I just want to feel better, not just for myself, but mostly for my son.  He needs the old me back.  My husband tells me to be "tough" and I always have been, that is why this is so hard.  I'm seeing several specialists next month and I'm hoping they can help, but I'm facing a cold reality that for me, this may be something I have to learn to manage for a long, long time.

Sorry to be such a debbie downer, but this is a BAD day.  I want everyone to know that just because I'm feeling this way doesn't mean you will suffer the same.  I hope you don't. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. Cursing tram today, because it is what started it all!

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by legaljunky, Oct 19, 2011
So much I want to say- Tramadevil is a world wide epidemic.

  I want to bring up something I read earlier in posts about using 2 anti depressants- it can produce suicide ideation. (Big words I found on the net).  One warrior said she was taking 5HTP (from the health food store) and it helped with depression.  I am already on an SSRI for brain chemical imbalance caused by Lyme disease getting to my brain. So I did some research.  If I added another antidepressant like 5HTP it could cause me to want to commit suicide during those depression periods of Tram WD.  I know Tram has an antidepressant in it, so with the SSRI I don't know why I have never been suicidal, even during the most depressed days of WD. This forum has been trans forming for me.  Every time I felt awful I would take a sublingual B12, magnesium and peppermint tea w/cayenne and honey and post= dump my misery.

  Alanon (for the families of alcoholics) taught me so many things that can apply to anybody's life.  Like I live 1 day at a time.  No matter how awful it is, it is just for today.  I don't project into the future, I just stay in the moment.  This makes the great moments greater and in the bad moments are enough to get thru without worrying about anything more. When things were really bad I knew I just had to hang on 1 minute longer than Tram did to win the battle. I won.

Icandothis- Kuwait, huh?  Will the situation there be different for you than Iraq? I'll be thinking of you every day.  Dec.17 is my son's b'day so I'll never forget it's meaning for you as well.
Everything I learned to help me thru WD came from other warriors, I don't remember who but I am so grateful to them, Emily and everyone who is posting with me.  I love you all!
Peppermint tea is just herbal tea that I get at my grocery store that has a good health food section.  Cayenne (a powdered spice) is in the spice area of the same store.  And honey- any honey.
I take extra magnesium (pills from Puritan's Pride on the net or a grocery or drug store) as a muscle relaxer that helps the RLS and probably the anxiety.
Potassium (Puritan's Pride or a grocery or drug store) for energy.  I also eat a banana every day for more potassium.
I was taking Black Cohosh (from same places) for the hot flashes but I began to think maybe the sweating might be getting the Tram out of my body so I stopped.  I rarely get sweats anymore, the weather is cool (in northeast US) and that helps.
I also take Sublingual B12-  for energy, I think.
And as you know, lots of water.  As you can tell, I don't have a good memory!

I am having a great day!  But I remember the awful days and I know many of you, my beloved Tramadevil warriors are suffering and my heart goes out to you.  Stay strong, stick it out 1 more day with me!


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by Sarabie, Oct 19, 2011
Yeeeeeeeeees !!!! You guys can not believe how happy I am. I finally found a site, filled with people like me. Fighting the poison called tramadol.

My story is like yours. Had pains - doctor prescribed tramadol. This is 5 years ago. I started with 1-3 tablets a day (50 mg) and this last year I had 20-24 tablets a day. Then one day, 6 weeks ago I just felt fed up. It suddenly hit me that everything that went wrong in my life for the last years, was related to my abuse of tramadol. And for what? For being able to sit on my butt 8 hours a day doing nothing. For thrashing my relationsship and hurting the love of my life, because it was more important to get tramadol than to get a job. For getting more and more numb, lazy, unhealthy and stupid. So I took a decision and went almost cold turkey on the spot.I moved in with my parents, told them everything (I'm 37 years old, but I still need my mom, when life is hitting hard) I tapered down from 24 pills to 16 to 9 to 6 to 3 to 0 in six days. I put on my FB wall that I have been addicted to tramadol for 5 years and that I've realized I have been quite werid for the last year. I wrote that I'm really sorry for all the stupid stuff I've done, and that I just started on my cold turkey. I got so much positive feedbacks that I cried for an hour or so :-)

And here I am now. 6 weeks without tramadol. So happy with my decision. The first week sucked but I am really lucky, cause I have no problems with sleeping. I slept through the worst 48 hours and have been sleeping almost 12 hours every night since. I'm down to 10 hours now, but I have always needed to sleep 9 - 10 hours a night, cause I'm very active during the day (or at least I was before popping tramadol).

This week has been very good. I've been visiting friends again and it felt exactly as before. I've spend a whole day in an amusement park, did all the rides etc and had so much fun. I'm laughing again - not just a "haha" but laughing untill tears comes from my eyes. I can concentrate for up to two hours again - which means I can watch an entire movie.

I'm taking it one day at a time. But 5 years of usage isn't over in just a few days. My body still aches once in awhile. Getting sudden pains in the abdomen, getting weird pains in the bones, muscles etc. But I take it with a smile. My body is adjusting - getting used to a life without tramadol. I am truly happy again. Well I still get grumpy here and now and I'm still having troubles with finishing what I start (like starting to paint a painting and then after an hour, I stop again and can't really find the motivation to continue the next day). But Rome wasn't build in one day, so I'm certain it's just a question of time. Soon I will be the sweet, funny, energetic Susie my friends and family know again, and the lazy, manipulating b**** I had become will vanish completely.

THANK YOU!!!!!!! Emily for this site/thread/blog. Like you I couldn't find anything and did the cold turkey alone. But now I'm with people who really know how dangerous tramadol is. Pure poison!!!! Now I'll lean back and read all the posts.

Love Susie





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by Sarabie, Oct 19, 2011
@Icandothis10

I know I'm new in here and don't have any rights to tell anyone what to do or not to do. But after reading all the posts here, I'm so worried about you. Your story is quite simular to mine. I "only" took 20-24 trams a day, but like you it was waaaaaay too much. I tapered down in 6 days and then cold turkey. And it sucked. I got the "tramaflue" for app. 48 hours, but I slept through the 40 of them, so it wasn't that bad. Then I got out of bed, took a long shower, got dressed and started to join life again. I couldn't actually do anything physically, but I could talk, eat and read again. it was like that for 4-5 days, then I could start using my body again. I started by doing different types of housework. Did the dishes. Vacuumed. Washing a floor. Only one thing a day, untill I could manage more.

During this period I had a constant craving for sugar and sex. I could do something about the sugar, and like the others here, I've gained weight even though it's only been six weeks. But if I had a husband, I would definately also do the sex thing - and that's good for two things. Your brain gets natural endorfins and you "work out". There will also be other cravings - vitamins, healthy foods and the biggest of all - the urge to talk about what you are going through.

This is why I'm worried for you. These things don't have to be hell to go through. You are not alone. You have a husband by your side to fullfill your needs (bring you food, sodas, vitamins etc, when you have the flue - listen to you and you know what else) Also you have this forum.

There's two months till you have to be in Iraq. You are suffering with your tapering already. It won't be that much worse to go ct now. Now where you are in your safe environment, with your husband. Where you can log on to this site whenever you need to. Where you have doctors to turn to, if you get scared. I KNOW you can do it. Off course you can - I could. Legaljunky could. Emily could. Stephen could, Tramsick could. So can YOU!!!

My worry is that you have to go through this in Iraq. Where you can't take a nap, when your body is so worned out you just can't stand up for another minute. Where you can't get the exact food your body and brain demand. Where people don't understand why you suddenly cry. Where your loving husband isn't there to listen, help and love you. Get my drift?

Think of it like a bandaid. You can either remove it slowly or rip it off. The pain is the same, but it takes longer to remove it slowly.

I wouldn't recommend this if you weren't leaving the country soon. I'm just really worried :-( Even though you taper down slowly you'll get the w/d's. For us 4 trams a day is like nothing. But there's plenty of people having just as bad w/d's with only 200 mg a day as me with my 1200 a day.

I don't know you, but I wish I could give you a hug !!!

Love Susie

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by MyFreedom, Oct 19, 2011
Susie ~ I tapered over 5 months.....going from 12+ tabs per day (for 8 years) down to 1/4 of a tab every 12 hours before stopping (with my doctors supervision and approval). Because of my long, slow taper I had little to no acute withdrawal once I stopped. It IS possible to have very minimal w/d with a structured slow taper.

There's no easy way to quit tram. Any which way you go about it.....slow taper, fast taper, cold turkey. Each has their benefit, each has their drawbacks. It's all up to each individual person to decide what he or she can handle. I have done both a cold turkey (years ago) and a long taper. I caved after 5 days when I tried to stop cold turkey. For me, the taper was the only way. I (and some others) simply don't have it in them to go through with a cold turkey.

That said, kudos to you for being 6 weeks free.

:)

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by Sarabie, Oct 19, 2011
Myfreedom

Well I'm not saying it's easy at all !!!!! But it concerns me that Icandothis10 might have to do it in Iraq. That's it.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 19, 2011
Friends,

Some encouraging news - after about 6 weeks of a harsh taper, I had my first "good" day today.  I actually felt happy and normal this afternoon, even though the skies were gray and the rain poured.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 19, 2011
HI Susie,

First of all, thank you.  Thank you very much for your kind words and your concern.  I really appreciate it and I know you mean very well.  I am sorry though to tell you that I just don't agree.  First off, I am in the military.  I HAVE to go to work every day, I HAVE to run, work out, lift weights, stay in physical shape and be on top of everything at all times.  I won't  have the ability to sleep through the worst of everything.  I will suffer for many weeks and greatly and I will not be able to function at all.  You are correct, I have almost two months before I am in the Middle East.  However, I have preparations during all of that time, I can't take that time off.  I CAN'T be down while I'm required to train, do my job and do things like carry 60 pounds of gear and operating fire arms.  It's absolutely impossible.  Not functioning at all is not option.  By tapering this way, I CAN function and accomplish what I need to and continue to be relied upon and do what is required of me.  It is also a safety issue.  If I am not alert, someone can get hurt.  I also cannot go weeks without sleep.  I just don't have the luxury of staying home and dealing with the horror of Tram withdrawals.  

As for my husband, he too is in the military and wouldn't have any time to take care of me.  Period.  He has numerous travels and a very demanding job.  We both are full up busy from 6 in the morning until about 1030 at night.  I love my husband, but he isn't the type to cater to my every whimper and need or to baby me.  We just aren't like that.  Sometimes I wish that was different, but hey, nobody's perfect.

Honestly, and I kind of feel bad saying this, I am really not suffering nearly as close to what I would be if I did CT.  I am actually taking it very slow and doing quite well.  I notice the difference in my body, I actually pee normally now, I am not nearly as groggy as I used to be, I see things differently and have a sense of normalcy coming back.  I'm not going through nearly as much pain as I could.  I guess my point is....my method of stopping this poison is my ONLY option.  Period.  I cannot go CT, it will render me useless, which means that I will be unable to prepare for my deployment, which means that will cause serious issues for me, my husband and my service AND the person that I am replacing out there.  I can't only think of myself in this, I have to think of others as well.  I am very happy to hear that you had the time and ability to sleep through withdrawals, I do know that many people would kill to be able to do that.  Unfortunately, serious insomnia is more common when withdrawing in most people.  Most lose weeks of sleep, are lethargic, and just have a very horrible time for a very long time.  

I think everyone needs to find their own way, once they make the decision to get off this drug, that is the absolute best for them.  I hate it for people who are forced into withdrawal by being cut off by the doctor or just not able to get them anymore.  I feel as though I am one of the lucky ones.  I have plenty of pills to very slowly taper and do it properly, while continuing to live my life and do what I need to do.  Everyone is different.  CT works for some, tapering works for others.  

I am happy for you that you were able to sleep through the worst and turn around fast with this.  That's awesome.  Unfortunately, I know my body, and I know that what worked for you, definitely won't work for me.  It is great to see you here on this forum.  You're giving people hope.  

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by Sarabie, Oct 20, 2011
Hi Icandothis

I'm glad to hear from you. And I'm really glad you wrote why you are tapering down like you do. It makes so much more sense to me now. I can see you don't have a choise and man that get's to me. I'm just seriously concerned about you being in Iraq and getting w/d's.

I actually don't think CT is the best way even though it seems like it. It worked for me, but I am lucky. I had the time and the place to do it. And I thought you had two months to do it too.

DON'T feel bad that you aren't suffering. Seriously there's no need to suffer when unneeded. As long as you don't stagnate but keep tapering.

I read a post from a guy in another forum who was extremely concerned because he have been taking 50 mg of tramadol a day for several years and can't stop. My first reaction was "oh this is almost sweet". But it is a problem to him and I actually think he will get just as bad w/d as me, if he ever stops. (didn't tell him that though). My point is - even though all of us in here are connected by tramadol, our addictions are just as individual like we are. I for one have no problems with depression etc. It's just my physic that's acting up. But some people are depressed for months, but have no problems with the physics.

Well that was all for now. I'm starting my own small diner in 6 weeks and have a ton of paperwork to go through now. Please know that English is my second language so there will loads of grammar and spelling mistakes.

Love Susie



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by legaljunky, Oct 20, 2011
Today is awful for me but the wonderful part of it is that it has nothing to do with Tramadevil!  I'm suffering from being taken off all my meds to have a colonoscopy tomorrow!  Unlike Tram WD, this will be over real soon!

Singledad- I'm so happy to hear you had a good day! It's a long slow battle we fight but when the good days come they are SO good!

Icandothis- I have another reason to respect and commend you- you are so accepting and patient.  So glad to have you on our team, the Tram fighters and that other one- the military!

Sarabie- Welcome!  Isn't this place incredible?!!

Tramsick- You are on my wish list-How are you doing ?  Feeling better, I hope.  Post and let us know.

Myfreedom- 574 days- Congrats!  I will be there someday!

Strength and love to you all!

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by tramsick, Oct 20, 2011
Icandothis10, wow, and I thought I had troubles.  I agree with the tapering.  I often wonder if my CT did damange to me, as I've suffered so much and I'm so far out, 65 days.  Go with your gut is all I can say.  You have a lot of responsibility and I commend you for your commitment.  Just knowing you are on the path to being tramadol free is enough for me.  Good luck to you and let us know how you are doing, even there, if possible.

legaljunky, I am having an okay day.  I've learned that there can be good and bad every day and I'm dealing with it.  Stopped my vigorous workouts for now, they seem to send me into full blown withdrawals again.  I know it's my body getting rid of the poison, but it takes me out for a week at a time. I've been focusing on good nutrition, and walks, resting when I can. Thanks for your concern.  I'm still in the fight, as we all are.  I hope your colonoscopy goes well, I had one 2 yrs. ago with no problems, so I'm hoping the same for you.  Be good to yourself.  Wishing you strength and healing!

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by Sarabie, Oct 20, 2011
Tramsick - you have my deepest sympathy !!! Reading the posts in here made me realize how lucky I am. I too have a "bad" day. But I'm just struggling with flue symptoms again. Actually not knowing if it's the trams or an actual flue. But even though it *****, it's nothing compared to what you are going through. Also I'm so very happy that I have the time to do this. The very thought of having any kind of responsability during this period gives me stress. How you can handle it is beyond me. You are so strong !!!!

Legaljunkie - thanks a lot. Yes I am very happy to be here. I thought I was the only one in the world with these problems. There are absolutely no Danish sites with this issue. I have used a Danish "drug" forum, but you can't really compare what we are going through with anything else.

A little information about Tramadol. It's not on the market in Southern Europe. Went to Greece a couple of years ago and had a long talk with a pharmacist. He told me that tramadol is so dangerous that they won't allow it on the market. The same year I went to Trinidad/Tobago to stay for a year (work related) went to the pharmacy and guess what... it's not even a prescription drug there. Anybody can just walk in an buy all they want. They told me "it's because it's a soft opiate and doesn't make you addicted (which I was at that point, but didn't bother arguing. Just wanted the stuff). Makes you think...

Well Midnight here now and I'm off to bed. 46 days off the trams today. Time flies when you are happy :-)

Stay strong and cool boys and girls. This poison won't get us in the end !!



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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 20, 2011
Sarabie,

Not 100% sure, but I think tramadol is over-the-counter in many countries, including Thailand and, as you've shown, Trinidad.  Putting the addictive part of tramadol aside, it seems like it should be prescription-only simply due to the increased seizure risk.  While researching this, I found many people who had seizures due to tramadol - they were usually taking a completely insane number of pills, like 15 at once.

Be well my friends - you are not alone.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 20, 2011
Thanks Susie, actually, going to the armpit of the planet is a great way to get clean.  I will work, eat, sleep, work out and it will be the very same exact thing every day!  Many people deploy to quit smoking, stop drinking and dry out a little, think things through or lose weight.  It's taking you out of your normal life and putting you in one where routine is the only way to exist.  You work and that's it because there isn't anything else to do.  Plus, you don't have the distractions of family there.  You are pretty much on your own and of course, you are family with your fellow deployers but it's actually a good thing!  Eat, sleep, work and work out....that's IT!  It's a good thing

tramsick- man, I am so sorry that you're feeling the way you are....are you *positive* you won't want to maybe talk to the doctor and see if there may be another reason why you're feeling as you are?  I hate to hear about you suffering.  Do realize though that everything says that you should taper slowly from Tram because maybe it does cause damage?  I really hope that isn't your case.  

congrats on everyone who is doing well and I'm pulling for those who aren't feeling the best.  I got down to 7.5 today!  I'm so proud and I feel SO much better and more normal than when I was taking 40 of these stupid things.  I have been taking some Dayquil too and that helps as well as the L-Tyrosine, vit B and multi's.  I'm going to do this and i may be even doing it quicker than I originally thought.  I'm still telling myself not to rush, after all, there is no rush

love ya'll

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by Pricogirl83, Oct 20, 2011
I am just curious about this post.... I know tramadol is generic for "ultram" and was always told this is a non-habit forming drug. I never felt high from it and my doctor gave it to me for pain instead of a narcotic. then, I started reading through this and seen all these things about withdrawals from it.. I'm soooo confused right now.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 20, 2011
Pricogirl - Tramadol is VERY addictive.  That's not it though...it's addictive, dangerous, causes seizures and drains your bank account and sometimes sanity....

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by legaljunky, Oct 20, 2011
Pricogirl83-
I was on Tramadol for 2 years and I never felt high either.  My Dr. who prescribed it did not know it was addictive and I didn't know it either.  She switched me to something else, I stopped Tramadol immediately and got so so sick.  I recognized it as withdrawal, knew my Dr. was not gonna be any help and was lucky enough to find this forum.  I read pages and pages of posts and figured out for myself how to taper and get off it safely.  It's tough at times but I have grown to love all of my Tramadol fighting buddies, they are so supportive!

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by rj0923, Oct 20, 2011
. I'm tapering of trams too and I know what I will go through CT by reading so many other stories in the drug addiction forum, but not much on tapering. I feel now i am doing the right thing and going about it the right way too,  after coming to the recovery room. THANK YOU ARIA59.  For directing me here.

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by rj0923, Oct 20, 2011
oh ya, I never got a high either. My nuerologist put me on tramadol  7 years ago for Multiple sclerossis. I have always been so proud of myself for never taking the "hard stuff". I loved this because in all those years i stayed at 150mg 3 x a day thus being 9 pills a day. Took it morning noon and night religiously never went up never went down.2 weels ago  I came across the MedHelp site by accident, checking on drug called Topamax  my mom was prescibed for migraines. When i looked to see if it was addicting I started seeing the word tramadol all over the place. I totaly FREAKED OUT. I called my husband (who is in law enforcement) ans told him he was married to an addict. I look back now over the years and realize that every time I was late on my dose my legs would get jumpy and restless and I always thought it was my condition. I could tell you the time of day just by when my legs would let me know it was time to take a pill. This site has been a god send for me because my doctor (not the nuerologist) is not much help except to offer me pain pills and sleeping pill when things got really bad.LOL!!!

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by rj0923, Oct 20, 2011
Earlier I meant THANK YOU VICKI595 for directing me here not aria59, but aria59 has sent me some encouraging notes.
YOUR ALL GRAEAT!!

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by Sarabie, Oct 21, 2011
pricogirl83

As the others told you, it's extremely addictive. When my doctor prescribed them to me ages ago, she told me that I would be addicted and that she would send me to the hospital when it was time to stop, so I could taper and get through the w/d's in there. But as time went by and I got my pills somewhere else, I just told her that I was off them and kept popping them like tic tacs. And now it just seems so lame to come back and say I want the hospital thing. So I just went CT instead.

So - be carefull and think twice.

Take care :-)

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 21, 2011
Tramadol free, no desire for it.
No symptons.
you can do this, you can beat it.
Not easy but do'able though.
Love you.
Steve.

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 21, 2011
and hope everyone finds balance.

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by Gizmok, Oct 21, 2011
Hi guys, I have not posted in a while, I have been so busy. I have great days and horrible days. The lack of proper sleep is starting to get to me. I have always been one of those people that require at least 8 hours a night for my sanity. I am averaging about 4 hours of interrupted sleep :(. I am so thankful that I got off of this drug when I did, if it's like this after a short term use, I can't I imagine how it is with long term use. Thank you Emly for giving us a place to use our voice. Stephen32- I'm really proud of you, you are a major inspiration. I as well have no desire to use them ever again, but I know that it is a real struggle for some. My major struggle is with opiates, but thankfully I am done with those as well. The tramacrap was a surprise to me. I'm thankful I found this forum before I went any farther down that road. Icandothis- wow you have cut down a lot, that is awesome. You can do this, your so strong!!  It takes such strength and courage to be able to taper, I am not that strong and proved it to myself on many occasions. I pray for you every day. Legaljunky- you are the lifeblood of this forum. You are amazing, you always have an encouraging word, or good advice for everyone. You truly are a blessing, I love to read your posts, and follow your advice so thank you. <3  sarabie- keep up the fight, you are an amazing inspirational story here. Thank you for your supportive words.  rj0923- you can do it, you sound like a vey strong person. You realized the signs, not many people even want to do that. :) life without tram, is wonderful.
Keep up the fight guys, I am right there with you, you are all on my mind every day. Peace and love me.

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by tramsick, Oct 21, 2011
Gizmok, sorry to hear about the lack of sleep, I know what you're going through.  It *****. It makes it so hard to get thru the day, I know. We all have to hope that someday the tramdevil will let go of us, all it's affects.  Having an okay day, just trying to get myself going to attend my nephew's choir performance tonight.  Really want to go, it's amazing how much withdrawals can take you away from life around you.  Life never stops and waits for you to get better.  Let's keep fighting.  I'm seeing a neurologist next month for some more tests, wish me luck, and for those of you that do pray, or whatever you believe, send healing wishes for all of us.  I know I will.

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by legaljunky, Oct 21, 2011
I hope it is OK go into this area of discussion- Emily, please delete it if I've gone "over the line".

I know Tramadevil still affects what goes on in my alimentary canal.  Did I say that pleasantly enough?!
Today was HORRIBLE for me - I had a colonoscopy that did not proceed once they had me sedated and began the procedure because I was not "cleaned out enough".  I know this has to do with Tramadevil which remains in my system even tho I've had none for 42 days.
  I've had such a headache, I'm exhausted, grumpy, can't think, and I know this is not just from the prep and procedure.  I'm sure there is some Tram WD in it too.  And I know it is just for today.
The Dr. wants to reschedule and do a more thorough prep next time before the colonoscopy.  But I will not be going thru that again any time soon!  It was just routine and it can wait.

Gizmok-  I'm so happy to hear from you, sorry to hear you're having such a tough time and hope you get some answers and relief soon.
I love you all, my Tram fighting buddies and I love that we all learn from each other.  That's what life is all about.  But I never feel I want to give advice, just say what works for me and if it fits, you try it too.

Love and strength for all of us for 1 more day!


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by Icandothis10, Oct 21, 2011
Guess what everyone!!!  We are pulling out of Iraq!!  Do you know what that means???  It means my sorry *** is still going.  Whatever....don't believe that "all the troops are coming home for the holidays" crap.  It just means they get to deploy and do the same crap in another neighboring country...Kuwait, UAE, Saudi...anyway.  God, it's so god awful hot and nasty out there.  At least I'm going in January so I can't really complain.  Anyway....

Another day....I stayed at 7.5 pills today, didn't take it down.  I have been making more progress than I originally thought though. I've been taking down my doses pretty quick.   I am sorry everyone is bumming today.  I hate to hear that  You all need to take a nice hot bath and drink some tea.

I had to have my blood drawn today and honestly, I'm the biggest puss in the world when it comes to that.  I will lead convoys in the middle east but don't poke my forearm with a needle and suck blood out.  Anyway, I took my two trammies before hand so I didn't flip out while the poor guy was trying to do his job.  There was a 6 year old in there acting more adult than me.

You guys hang in there....I have a big bottle of tramadol right next to me and I can't wait till the day that I don't have to count out pills every night for the next day.  These things can really do a number on someone.  

Love you guys

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by AU2000, Oct 21, 2011
Wow!  I can't believe it's been almost two months w/o Tram.

Still getting some really nasty knee pain at times.  Feels like they are being stabbed by frozen knives.  Can't do anything when they start.  Right now, they feel like that, and are ready to explode.

I suppose I'm the one here that should be known as having it "easy."  i'm prescribed 6 Norco's a day.  May wife gives me that daily amount each morning.  Thankful for that, otherwise I'd be taking a lot more of those than I should.  When that w/d crap starts, no amount of Norco will help.

Sleeping somewhat better now.  A few at night, then a few later in the morning.  Wish I could put them together.  I will.

Talking all those Trams sure looks stupid, now.  I feel I'm just paying for my mistake.  I will do this.

au2000

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by Sarabie, Oct 22, 2011
Hey guys :-)

I got a mail from a young man today. He read my story in a Danish drug forum and asked if I could give him some advice, cause he wants to stop his abuse. That made me think a lot. He wanted to know how I got by the worst w/d and what I did. How I escaped the depression part etc. I don't know how I escaped depression. But I'll tell you, as I told him, what I did during those w/d days.

I knew I would be feeling like **** so I went to bed, took my favourite dvd movies, books and music with me. When I felt the urge to cry, I put on my favourite "I've lost the love of my life" songs and cried about that. It gave me a reason to cry. I guess you know how it's like when listening to music. One song takes another and before I knew it I was listening to happy music. And I sang along like I was being paid to do it. Also I wrote tons of letters to the lost love. Could have been to anybody, cause I never sent them. It was just to get the feeling of adressing my thoughts to someone. Writing down thoughts is always a good thing. I read a really sad book about life for a workingclass girl in 1890 - that put things in perspective. And then I simply just focused on how great life will be, when this is over. My new diner. My new appartment. Planning how to gain my lost love again. Then I looked forward to the little things. To get out of bed, to be able to shower again. To be able to concentrate, to be able to take on smaller tasks etc. And every progress made me happy. Also I could and can still sleep. At least 12 hours every night during that time. That was how I got through it mentally. Physically it sucked. Shivers, fever, aching all over etc.

@Icandothis : You are so cool. Down to 7,5 tablets a day is a huge acomplishment!! I'm really proud of you. Soon you will achieve the biggest freedom of all.

@legaljunkie: man that *****. I don't have any bowel problems, but so many of my friends are struggling with problems in that area.Stress I guess. But to have to struggle with that on top of your tram stop, must be hell. We all get exhausted and grumpy. I can see that you and I stopped almost the same day. When I get grumpy I stop for awhile and remember that it's not the people around me who are being stupid, but me. Sometimes it helps - sometimes I just can't help it.

@AU2000: I also get nasty pains in my bones. Mostly the hips. Trying to workout and hopefully it helps. My doctor told me that it's because our bodies are adjusting again. And it will take time. Siiiiigh....

Stay cool boys and girls.



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by legaljunky, Oct 22, 2011
I had a horrible night, depressing nightmares,  but got up this morning, read your posts, and found a new positive perspective from all of you.
Icandothis- we were all a little worried about you going to Iraq on Tram but hoping for the best, you were so positive about it..  And now you're not leaving till Jan!  I'm so happy for you that your taper is going so well!  Why do I worry about things?  God is there working behind the scenes!  And you predicted Obama's speech for us!  Till your plans change I guess this war will move to Kuwait.
So I can take that perspective to my situation and not be depressed about it. I will feel awful and then it will get better.  I will be taking that hot Jacuzzi today, and increase my fiber to try to alleviate my "previously mentioned problem."
I can't wait to be where Steve is- long time no tram.

AU2000- 2 months clean!  Congrats!  We're all making progress and paying a painful price for it. So glad we have each other.
Sarabie- So we're on the same time path- it will be interesting to watch.  Opening a diner sounds like fun. Something wonderful to look forward to!

Love and Strength to all of us!

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by Sarabie, Oct 22, 2011
@legaljunkie: Yup - I stopped 7 weeks ago, but tapered for the first 5 days, så that'll make it 42 days. Tell me please, how many pills did you take daily and for how long?

Love Susie

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by legaljunky, Oct 23, 2011
Sarabie- Ya know,  I'm not really sure of how many pills I started with, but I found my original prescription note from about 26 months ago and it said to take from 100mg to 800mg daily as needed.  As my head slowly clears now I remember taking 400mg a day, then when I had to go off it for foot surgery I knew I went into withdrawal so when I went back on it after surgery I went down to 300mg.  With all the pain after foot surgery I never knew what was caused by withdrawal or the foot pain. Then at some point I realized I could stretch even further and eliminate the last 200mg dose because it was time for my sleeping pill (for sleep problems of Lyme disease).  Then my Dr. took me off Tramadevil and put me on something else and I got sooooooooo sick and realized it was withdrawal.  I went on the net and found this life saving forum, read many posts and figured out how to do a slow taper and what supplements, tea, etc. to ease my way.

So it hasn't been too bad, but I just went thru the worst 2 days since my last 4 days on 40mg and first 4 days of 0.  I know it is WD big time again, and I hope it is almost over.  I'm guessing the trauma of colonoscopy spiked my WD again.

When I feel awful, like today, I post and dump my troubles!

Tramsick- I remember when you were suddenly having an awful time after being off Tram for quite some time.  I knew the message to me was that this was not gonna be easy and the WD would come back and bite me!  And here it is!
I'll get thru it with the support of my Tram fighting buddies.

Love and strength for all of us!

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by Sarabie, Oct 23, 2011
legaljunkie - wow... I think this proves how different our minds and bodies react. My dose was up to 1000-1200 mg a day for the last year at least - perhaps the last two years. I don't quite remember.  I think you are having worse w/d's than me. Or perhaps the w/d increase with the level of stress you are going through? I get the occasional tramaflue and pain in the bones. But I function like before again. Soon you will too !!!!

Love Susie

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by Icandothis10, Oct 23, 2011
legal - I hope you feel better....can you take a long, hot bath?  Sarabie - I'm glad you're here and still doing well.  Keep giving everyone hope, it's what they need now

I felt like complete *** yesterday.  I have been popping L-Tyrosine, vitamins and advil and I went to the salon and took them all at once.  Needless to say, it hurt my tummy.  I was SO tired last night and slept about 13 hours.  I'm lazy today but feeling ok.  I've been also taking Dayquil to help with any chills that I get while weaning.  I am now down to 7.25 pills a day and still going.  I know it's going to take a long time but this stupid pill is getting on my damn nerves.  Anyway

I hope everyone is feeling better as the days go on.  I am really happy for the those who are NOT taking Tramacrap at all.  I still have the bottle that I feel like I'm leashed to.  God, I cannot WAIT to get this over with but I know I MUST take it very slow.  It's just annoying that it takes such a hold on someone.  I am however happy that I'm actually in the process of doing this instead of saying to myself "oh, I'll do it eventually"  The fact that I'm making progress is good.  That's what keeps me going

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by legaljunky, Oct 23, 2011
I'm feeling better, not great yet, but I thank you so much Sarabie and Icandothis for being there for me.  Isn't this exciting?!!
We're gonna make it together!  This is the most uplifting feeling!

Love and strength!

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 23, 2011
I have just remembered: the main thing that got me through the first week of Cold Turkey was comedy. I forced myself to watch 6 hours of comedy everyday. You can get most stuff on YouTube, I watched mostly British stuff like Mr Bean, Blackadder, Fawlty Towers, The young Ones, Bottom, The Fast Show, Big Train, Spaced, Vik Reeves big night out, The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer, Shooting Stars, Room 101, Chris Morris, Brass Eye, The Day Today, Monty Python, Monkey Dust, FoneJacker, QI, Ricky Gervais. The Website FatPie makes me cry with laughter. South Park is probably in the top ten funniest things of all time. Also watched many hours of stand up stuff the best being Bill Hicks and Richard Pryor. A lot off  Will Ferrell movies are good medicine also. Just watched 'Horrible Bosses and the Hangover 2 and they both made me laugh. Some American shows like Scrubs, The Office (both versions), My name is Earl and also some Adam Sandler movies all make me titter.

Laughter heals the body profoundly, I read somewhere that a lady healed herself from Cancer through a daily medication routine of 10 hours of comedy a day.

Big respect to everybody and wishing with all my heart that everyone finds physical and mental balance.

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by Sarabie, Oct 24, 2011
@stephenThailand

Hehe me too actually. Some sad books to cry about and then comics. The entire "smack the Pony" "Little Britain" and Friends. Yesterday I watched Joan Rivers and laughed till tears dropped from my eyes. Laughter is a great drug !!

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by Pricogirl83, Oct 24, 2011
I am very glad to know now that Tramadol is addictive. I am recovering from an opiate addiction now and I thought it was OK to take the tramadol for headaches, backaches, ect. Thank god I found this forum!!! That would of been awful! Thanks to everyone for your comments!

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by Gizmok, Oct 24, 2011
Hi guys. :) hope everyone's day is going well. @Pricogirl83, I am right there with you. I am a recovering opiate addict, and my dr presented this to me as a great alternative to opiates until I have surgery. I took them for about three months, and decided to wait on a refill because my back was not in so much pain at that time. The next day I was slammed with tramaflu, I thought opiate withdraw was bad, it was nothing compared to tramaflu. And I was on a relatively large daily dose of opiates so my withdraw was not pleasant. The withdraw from three months of tram use, made the opiate withdraw look like a piece of cake. So I told my dr what had happened, and what I had found out about tramahell, he acted like he already knew the side effects, but had judged them less important than my pain. He did not tell me anything about the addictive nature of the drug, just told me it was a great alternative to opiates, he also prescribed an anti depression medication with it.  A big no, no, I think it makes the withdraw worse when you combine the drug with an anti-depressant.  It makes me mad, he should have given me all the facts, and let me make my own choice. But, I guess I can't hold it against him too much, because I feel like I should have done the research.  I almost feel like I just did not want to, the addict in me did not want to know. But I am so thankful that I found this forum, it has given me such strength. Reading the stories of the hell that everyone was going through, convinced me to put them down and not take another one.  I am not sure how long it has been since I last took one, more than 7 days, and I still have withdraw symptoms. With the opiates it was over in 5 days, and their was just PAWS, and that I can deal with. From the tramahell, I still have hot flashes, stomach issues, depression, some days I just have no energy and I have to drag myself around by my collar. But, we can do this, the drug will not control me. I won't let it, and with the help and encouragement of everyone here, I will continue to take it one day at a time and be proud for every day that I don't take another pill. My dr ended up giving me a prescription for Vicodin, and in over a weeks period of time I have only taken 6. I am so thankful, because there was a day when I would have taken the whole bottle in one day. I know this forum is about recovery and I'm sorry if my mention of Vicodin upsets anyone, but I felt like I wanted to share this accomplishment with you guys. I will never let them control me again. Ever. :) thank you guys for giving me a place to vent and find support. Emily thank you for starting this conversation, you are saving lives. <3

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 24, 2011
@Sarabie

Cant believe I forgot Smack the Pony! Green Wing? I used to love Friends but now I cant watch it without cringing it's so bad! Little Britain hasn't aged well either, George Doors on shooting stars... Laugh? I nearly shat myself!

@everybody else

I dont advocate reading till you cry, the other thing I did during CT was avoid all sad stuff. Laughter literally generates more white blood cells in your body, sadness lowers them. Lets not get suicidal.

No symptons since the CT, I really feel for you guys who are still suffering months after. I dont understand it. Also, unlike some other drugs, I have absolutely no desire for Tramadol, the thought of them makes me shudder. Now if someone was to offer me some magic mushrooms or some pure opium.... Who knows.

May you all overcome the tyranny of sanctomonious piety and the demonic force of self hatred.
May you find peferction in the middle: niether rejected nor accepting.
May you see that all sickness is a natural part of well being and a great teacher.
May you all find the balance you need to achieve physical and mental health.  



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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 24, 2011
Friends,

Just a quick note to say that I think I'm being helped by advice given by Dr. Daniel Amen of the Amen Clinic (http://www.amenclinics.com).  He is a well-known brain specialist who deals with addictions, among other things.  Using brain scans, he has proven that taking various supplements, like 5-HTP and St. John's Wort, can improve the functioning of the brain.

Those in tram withdrawal are probably low in serotonin, dopamine, and maybe noradrenaline.  In his books, he discusses ways to balance the chemicals in the brain, without using prescription medication, if possible.  Most of this is not new information to this forum, but it's nice to have it all in one place, backed with science.  And the guy is really likable, readily admitting his own flaws and how he improved himself.

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by Sarabie, Oct 24, 2011
@StephenThailand

Hehe I don't recommand reading sad books or listening to sad songs in advance either. But I did it when I found myself crying for no reason at all. It gave me something real to cry about and I could get some closure and carry on with what I was doing before bursting to tears :-D Hmmm I don't know Green Wing?? Guess it hasn't been on here in Denmark. I LOVE the fast show... What's for breakfast mamma? Maggots on toast? Gotta love that show and recommand it to all going through w/d's !!

Think I have some PAWS today. Headache and a bit grumpy. Did however manage to write a song and some music, but haven't felt like being social at all which is very unusual for the "normal" me. Well after a good nights sleep I'm sure everythings is cool again. Guess we have to get used to these on and off days anyways - they will last for months. But all people have off days. At least we know what it is when the tramaflue and other w/d symptoms set in.

I hope you are doing well out there... We have achieved the greatest liberty of all.

Love Susie



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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 24, 2011
I haven't had any symptons since day 10 or so. I dont know about tramaflue. The tramadol is out of my system.
I haven't been physicaly sick at all,
I run 1 hour everyday
Swim everyday, outdoors
get at least 6 hours of being oustide in the sun.
And meditate.
I guess I am lucky
I didnt take any medication, any vitamins or did anything special. Just water, exercise, meditation and comedy.
What is PAWS?

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by rj0923, Oct 25, 2011
What is 5-HTP?

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by Sarabie, Oct 25, 2011
Post Acute Withdrawel Symptoms = PAWS :-)

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by stephen32Thailand, Oct 25, 2011
@sarabie

Thanks, thanks for being up beat too.
A little bit of effort to access humour pays of a hundred fold.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 25, 2011
5-HTP is an amino acid that is the immediate precursor to serotonin.

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by legaljunky, Oct 25, 2011
rj0923- 5-HTP is an over the counter supplement you can get at the health food store.  But do some research about how it fits into the mix of your situation.  Along with another serotonin it can cause serotonin syndrome and make you suicidal.  I looked into 5HTP when another warrior who was taking it found it helpful for depression.  There is an anti depressant in Tramadevil so I don't know if that combo might be lethal for some of us.

As for me, I'm on an SSRI (for brain chemical imbalance caused by Lyme disease getting to my brain) so I knew not to try 5HTP.  These non prescription supplements can be just as powerful as prescription drugs.  For instance, years before I took an SSRI or Tramadevil I was on St Johns Wort (from the health food store for depression, part of late stage Lyme disease).  I changed doctors and went off St Johns Wort cold turkey.  I went into deep depression (and as I look back on it now, probably withdrawal). At that time the physical and emotional pain was so great I wanted to commit suicide and  would have but  didn't  because of my kids I love so much and I know how much it would have hurt them. (So maybe that is called suicidal ideation)

All that is far in my past and I feel wonderful this morning from reading all the great stuff in this last bunch of posts!  And
I have 1 more day off Tramadevil!  Yippee!!!  Am I the only one who goes to Bob Dylan's music for whatever problem I have?  I LOVE it and it takes me away from my world. Or if I'm up to it I go the ocean and walk the beach- I LOVE the sounds, smells and the gulls at ocean for the same reason, any time of year.

I have a question- If Tramadevil attaches to our fat cells, is there a way to remove it faster?  Or is that what PAWS is actually doing? I would like to go to my Drs. with this question but I think they are clueless about Tram.

Strength, love and thanks to all of you, my Tram fighting team!

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by Sarabie, Oct 25, 2011
@legaljunkie

that's a good question and if you get the answar, please post it. I would like to know too. I'm gaining weight like never before during this period. Guess it's because I've got my appetite back and my brain demands sugar constantly. Anyways I have been grumpy and in a very bad mood all day for no reason. Then I got on my "fat-burner" machine, did some workout for an hour and what do you know - not grumpy anymore :-) this causes for celebration... soda and cake hehe :-D

I hope things are looking brighter for you all. We are on the right track :-D

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by tramsick, Oct 25, 2011
Would really like to know the answer to tram attaching to fat cells too.  Need to get it out of me and would like to know how to remove it faster.  If the answer is excercise, I've tried that.  It seems to throw me into withdrawals again.  I know it sounds illogical, but I don't have the answers.  If anyone out there does, please share....

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by legaljunky, Oct 25, 2011
I'm having such a great day- I can think, get my paperwork sorted out and done, I have no aches and pains, I'm clearing my bench so I can get to work again and I'm actually looking forward to it!  I know I just got past (for today) PAWS!!!

Sarabie-  I know from my nutritionist son and my Lyme Dr. and personal experience that sugar causes inflamation on the cellular level.  I know how good I feel when I'm off it and how achy I get when I have more than 1 serving of cake or something in about 4 days.  With this new horror Tramadevil added to my life, I'm trying to do what will make me feel well.  I use a little pure maple syrup and Splenda ( Iknow it's not good for me) and I've felt better as a result.  Also, sugar causes depression and exercise raises your endorphins.  I'm in no way perfect at this stuff but for a few days I have not cheated and I know that is part of why I feel so good.  One day at a time.  OMG!!  THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING!!!! I promise nothing but no Tramadol!

No matter what each day brings, we are so lucky we have each others' help through this Tram battle!

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by tramsick, Oct 25, 2011
I'm so happy to hear you are doing well legaljunky.  Everyone has been so positive and feeling so well, I'm really happy for everyone.  I wish I could say the same.  I've been very ill.  Going to the doctor, but there is not much they can do for me.  Still seeing some specialists next month that I hope can help. I don't know what else to say, except I'm getting really depressed. I'm beginning to feel like I'll never get better.  I know that's so negative, but it's how I feel.  I really need to get better.  I just hope someday my body and mind will turn around. 69 days clean and still sick.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 25, 2011
Some encouragement for everyone:

After tapering from 16 to 3 pills per day over about 7 weeks, I am pretty much symptom-free at this point, other than a mild down feeling.

Here's what has come and gone:
- Brain shivers
- Crying for no reason
- Feeling horrible
- Panic attacks
- Anxiety
- Terrible sleep

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by Icandothis10, Oct 25, 2011
Man!  I have a headache!  I have a headache because I had to fire a rifle all damn day!!  I HATE holding myself up on my elbows while firing an 8 pound rifle!  Plus, I didn't drink enough water.  I did however bring down my dosage to 7 today.  I was grumpy as all get out because being outside on the firing range, my knees and elbows were killing me, we had to wear a heavy flak vest, a gas mask, plus hold the weapon.  The loud firing and smell gave me a headache.  I also had to rush out to another appointment so I didn't eat all day and was STARVING.  Usually, before when I got hungry, I would just pop a bunch of trammies and I'd keep on going.  NOT today!!!  I did pop some advil though.  I'm down to 7 Tram pills a day!  I'm so happy.  I am so glad that I'm making progress at this and it's amazing how different I feel now.  I feel....more normal.  I am not so depressed in the morning, I'm not so fogged, I'm not so....I don't know...trammied out I guess.  I also enjoy food now and I know that I'll pack on a couple pounds.  I'm lucky though!  I have the best weight loss plan!  A trip to the crappy middle east.  No biggy

I'm glad you're feeling good Legal.  Sick - I hope you feel better!  I'm so sorry.  Dad - Brain zaps are the worst and they are something that made it impossible for me to function.  Can't do it!  We need to look forward to all the good days we have coming ahead!  Love you all

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by Sarabie, Oct 26, 2011
Icandothis - I know it wasn't supposed to be a funny post, but you really made me laugh "the best weight loss plan - a trip to crappy middle east". Epic :-D

I think you are so strong - down to 7 pills from 40 is an amazing accomplishment !!! And I know exactly what you mean by feeling normal again. It's like we are back to being the people we were before the tramahell. While popping the trams we don't notice how much we change, but looking back... I was a total mess. Don't know how I managed to function at all. And go ahead and eat :-D Food is so good for you.

Keep up the good work you'all :-D Life is good.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 26, 2011
Everyone,

When I said "Here's what has come and gone", I meant that I *used* to have these symptoms, but now they are all gone.  So this is some encouragement for those in the middle of suffering: there will be an end.

- Brain shivers
- Crying for no reason
- Feeling horrible
- Panic attacks
- Anxiety
- Terrible sleep

I can't be sure, but I think I've been helped a lot by the supplements that I'm taking.  I've been taking things that are the precursors to the neurotransmitters that plunge during tramadol withdrawal.



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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 26, 2011
Also forgot "thrashing in bed" - gone.

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by legaljunky, Oct 26, 2011
Singledad-  So happy to hear you are doing well!  Please tell me what supplements you take and for which symptom you take them, if possible.  I had a very tired day, got a little work done. Except for my PAWS a few days ago, my main problems now are not thinking clearly and being very tired and sleeping a lot.  Not too bad, I guess!

Love and strength to all my Tram fighting buddies!  We're doing great things!

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by Icandothis10, Oct 26, 2011
Sarabie - Thank you so much.  No matter how strong and self sufficient we are, we need to hear that we're doing well and need encouragement.  It's so important.  Thank you again.

I did a little of withdrawal thing today.  Not too bad though so I shouldn't complain.  Just had slight sweats and that "flat" feeling.  I just look at it as my body giving me the big finger after I abused it for so long.  It's weird though.  You're so right Sarabie!  I was a a complete spaz, flying around with unhealthy energy that just made me not, retained urine, gave me headaches and made me irritable.  That's supposed to be the "good" feeling that Tramadol gives us?  I realized how good food is too.  It's so nice enjoying it vs just eating what I needed to to get by.  

I do have to admit, just like SingleDad, I've been taking everything else.  I pop the L-Tyrosine with the B 6 and 12's.  I take a caffeine pill (coffee hurts my stomach), I take a vitamin and an L-Glutamine.  Then I will take four 200 mg Advil.  The middle of the day, I'll take some Dayquil for the DXM because I'm telling you, it helps.  It helps with the anxiety and flu like symptoms.  Actually, it may be what gets me through the rest of this tapering process.  At night I take 5-HTP and an L-Theanine along with something else to help me sleep.  I've always been a sleep aid pill popper.  But it's all over the counter and I actually have a bottle of Ambien that I have had for over two years.  I am not into the whole RX sleep aid. Ambien turns me into a complete freaky zombie.  I did hold on to them to help me with this process and now I'll use them as needed.  Of course, my Simply Sleep problem is for a whole different forum.  I don't feel bad though.   The military has more Ambien addicts than any other group of people.  I'm just glad I'm not one of them.  Anywho....I am staying at this dose for a couple more days to give my body a slight break.  I've been tapering pretty quick so I don't want to rush anything

Oh yes, and I cussed the woman out again for calling me AGAIN today after I told her yesterday to STOP EFFING CALLING ME and trying to sell me poison....idiots.  Someone is really getting some fat pockets off of people like us aren't they?  Well screw them!!!  I'm the one retiring early...NOT the devil pill makers!!  

Love you guys!!  Keep up the fight...Legal....I don't pray but I'm thinking of you ok?  Want you to have all good days!  Dad - You're awesome!  You should be totally proud and feel like an iron man for doing what you did!!!  Sar - Thanks again honey!  Feeling ok....I have the next couple days off so I think I'll take it easy and maybe even take it down another half pill or so.  Man, I can't wait to come home from Kuwait!!  CLEAN!!!!!  

Damn, I'm hungry.....Night guys!!

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by Sarabie, Oct 27, 2011
Damn I'm sick today... I actually don't think it's tramadevil related, but I don't know. Woke up this morning with a bad stomach ache. It passed after several hours and now I'm "just" totally worn out. So tired. I just wanna sleeeeeeeep for the next 100 hours. Anyone who has experienced this?

Loads of love and thoughts.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 27, 2011
Legal,

Here's what I take:

- St. John's Wort: to boost serotonin
- 5-HTP: precursor to serotonin
- L-tyrosine: precursor to dopamine
- L-theanine: anti-anxiety (I think it boosts GABA)
- Valerian root: better sleep
- Krill oil: helps with mood
- Whole food based multivitamin: for whatever the body needs

Note that I am still on 150 mg of tram per day - will finish taper later.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 27, 2011
Sarabie - I think a belly bug is going around....tea and Immodium!  

Dad - When do you take these sups?  All in the morning? Night?  Split them up?  

Are you taking 3 full 50 mg pills a day or are you splitting them too?

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 27, 2011
I take most of the supps twice a day, but valerian at night only.  I would recommend Dr. Daniel Amen's book Magnificent Mind at Any Age to get an expert's opinion on dosages, interactions, etc.

I take 6 half-tablets of tram, spread out through the day.

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by legaljunky, Oct 27, 2011
Thanks, singledad, I will get the book.

Sarabie- I have those days, especially being so tired and sleeping a lot.  I kind of figure that will be my normal, with energy on some days too, for who knows how long.  Hope you're feeling better by now.

Icandothis- Hope you are enjoying your days off and feel well!

I had a good day today, and it's so nice to get on the net and tell you, the people who really know what is going on with me, how my day is going.  Thank you all for being there and making this so exciting!

We're all getting there, winning the battle against Tram together!

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by Icandothis10, Oct 28, 2011
You know what?  I tried!  Ok?  I tried!  I know I tried and I did my very best.  I guess my best wasn't good enough.  I told myself that I wouldn't do it....and I did.  


I yelled at the Tramadol sales call lady...yup!  Sure did!  I called them a  "poison dealer" and told them tactfully that they suck.  Like I said, I tried to be nice!  I did.  I politely asked them to remove me from their list that I was no longer interested in their product.  They say "ok" and they STILL continue to call....now, I have no choice, I realize whoever is on the other end of that phone is a sales person...but they will suffer my wrath by calling me and completely ignoring my requests.  The b*tch had the nerve to try to tell me "our medications are not addictive"  if I could've jumped through the phone and firmly placed this woman's face in the closest toilet bowl, I would have.



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by Sarabie, Oct 28, 2011
Feeling great today - so perhaps I was just suffering from PAWS or the fact that we had homemade pakoras and falaffels the other day and I'm not that used to deepfried food. Anyways it passed and I'm happy again.

@Icandothis - well it's a small world but I don't think the belly bug comes all the way to Scandinavia :-D Thanks for your concern though !!! And you are so cool - next time they call you, ask for the supervisor and tell him/her exactly what their drugs have done to you/us and tell them that you want your name off their list immediately, or else ( I don't know what or else covers, but it sounds good :-D)

@legaljunkie - It makes me happy when you are having great days !!! Keep going. I'm with you all the way.

@singledad - you are so close :-D

Love all around

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by legaljunky, Oct 28, 2011
Just can't resist posting.  I guess today was kind of normal, I am a little tired so I decided to get into Christmas shopping early. (Gonna try to keep it simple this year.)  I got home and found that overall I did OK but I had bought the wrong size table cloth, a birthday card for a boy, not a girl and felt like such a jerk.  Now I have forgiven myself, I'm still a Tram brain and that's OK, It's no big deal.
Singledad- I ordered the book- thank you for telling me about it- and I hope it will help me with my foggy head and my tired body.  Come to think of it, if that's all I have to complain about I've come a long way!

Icandothis, Sarabie and Singledad- I love you all and our winning spirit and determination to get Tram out of our lives!

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by loopey2u, Oct 28, 2011
Hi all,

I've been reading on the forums for a few days, and after reading my suspicions are confirmed.

Background:  I have neck and arm pain of unknown origin.  4 bulging cervical disks and one large bone spur plus tendonitis of the shoulder.

I have had symptoms since April.  Have been prescribed Vicoden, but that didn't really touch the pain.  Able to go on and off of the V w/no problems at all.  

Anyway, last time I saw the ortho. I told him the vicodens were not really helping with the pain, so he prescribed Tramadol.  I was hesitant at first, because I looked up the interactions with prozac and decided I'd have to discontinue the Prozac to take the tramadol.

I did, and took the T for 2 weeks and decided to go off so I could take the Prozac again because I felt I needed it and was aware of seizure risk of mixing the 2 meds.  I was at 100 mg. every 6 hours. (300 mg. a day)

Well, I stopped taking T on Thursday.  By Sat. morning I thought I had the flu.  Couldn't get off the couch, fever, severe chills, body aches, brain zaps, the works.  Sunday wasn't much better.  I had been on Effexor many, many years ago, and I have to say the W/D's from this are very similar to that.

By Monday most of the physical symptoms were gone, but I was left with a HORRIBLE depressed feeling.  I have been hospitalized for depression, and the depression was nothing like this.  Utter despair is the only way I can describe it.

I saw my GP, told him about it, and he told me to resume the T with the Prozac because I was still having pain.  He assured me this pill was nothing more than a glorified Tylenol 3.  Stupidly, I believed him and resumed the T.    I have been on it for 3 weeks now, and I am going to go off (taper) but I am scared to death to feel the way I felt last time.

I feel this drug should at the very least be put into the scheduled class of drugs, with a new warning.  I do not feel "addicted", like I don't crave the pill, but know that I have to take it or get zaps/horrible feelings if I don't so I guess that makes me physically dependent.

I wish I would have stuck to my guns after the 1st experience with it and not resumed taking this poison.  My sister is a pharmacist and thinks I'm a freak.  She's never heard of anybody having a bad w/d experience from this drug, and neither does the pharmacist at the local store I get my prescriptions from.



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by loopey2u, Oct 28, 2011
My plan is to go to 200 mg. tomorrow, taking 2 pills when I wake, then waiting until I have to take the other 2.  

I plan to continue that until I feel perfectly normal again, then go to 150 mg. a day, then to 100, then to 50, 25, 12.5 then 0.

Thank you all for being here, and thank God I found this forum.

I would rather live in pain everyday than go any longer on this med.

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by loopey2u, Oct 28, 2011
Also, I am planning to resume the Prozac when I get down to 50 mg. a day even though I'm scared to.  I have been reading, and it seems the prozac will somewhat stabilize the serotonin thing that goes on and contributes to the withdrawal symptoms.  We will see....

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by Icandothis10, Oct 28, 2011
loopey - Sorry to hear that your Dr. is pretty much like the rest...ignorant and unwilling to try to listen and learn.

Anyway, I hope I'm not sounding rough here because believe me, that's not my intention.  However, you've not been taking this long at all.  3 weeks is enough to give your body something that it likes and wants more, but I am not sure it would put you in the same category as the rest of us who have been taking it for years.  Take a week, taper with the rest of your pills and call it a day and a bad experience.  You may feel crappy for a couple days but your body should bounce right back since you I just don't think you would literally alter your brain chemistry so drastically as we have done by taking and abusing Tramadol for years upon years.  I'd be careful with the Prozac too.  Good luck

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by loopey2u, Oct 28, 2011
Thanks, Icandothis.

Maybe I did have the flu when I stopped the first time and it was just a coincidence?  I will try tapering quickly over the next week and see what happens.  If I have no symptoms I'll just quit cold turkey.  I just wonder if I am sensitive to anything that alters serotonin, since I have been fighting depression for 20 years now.  

Reading all the horror stories here, I just want to be off these things NOW..lol  



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by Icandothis10, Oct 28, 2011
I can completely understand that!  I don't know very much about Prozac but maybe you stopping those and then flooding your brain with a potent anti-depressant like Tram did something.  If you're sensitive, then YES, be very careful.  I'm tapering myself.  Take the rest of your Tram and cut them in half and quarters and just taper with them so you don't give your body a slight shock.  I'm tapering after 4 years of abuse.  It really is the best thing to do for your body if you ask me.  I think I need to go a bit slower though :-)  Good luck and I hope you feel better!

Oh yes, drink LOTS of water and tea!!


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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 29, 2011
Loopey,

I too had that feeling of horrible depression during my fast taper.  I was on tramadol for about three years, peaking at 16 tablets per day.

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by legaljunky, Oct 29, 2011
Loopey-  So sorry you have to go thru this but keep posting- let us know how you are doing.  Each of our stories is a little different and we've found our own way to get off Tramadevil by trial and error and what each of us can tolerate.  Tram attaches to our fat cells and can stay in our bodies for a long time, so my guess is that you may have to taper slowly even tho you haven't been on it long.

I was on it for about 2 years when my DR. (who also said Tram is not addictive) took me off Tram and put me back on Voltaren.  I went into HORRENDOUS WD.  I found this life saving forum, went back onto Tram and began a very slow taper. Like you I never felt high and never craved it and still don't.  But I never had brain zaps.  I had all the other problems tho.  I started by lengthening the time between doses and then eliminating the last dose because it was time for bed when I take Clonapin for sleep. (I had Lyme disease for years before it was diagnosed and it has left me with permanent problems and a bunch pills to take---forever?)  I  take Voltaren for Lyme related arthritis pain instead of Tramadol and it works for me.  There have been times when I had to go off Voltaren and had no withdrawal. I also take an SSRI  (Lyme got to my brain and I went into depression).  I don't know why Tram didn't cause Seratonin Syngrome in me.  When I began my taper I stayed on all my other meds and had awful WD with depression. So I tapered very slowly and gave myself 3 days of feeling a little better before dropping my dose again by 12.5mg.

So I'm thrilled to be done with all that now but still have some of the remaining issues.  Getting on the forum and reading and posting make me feel better!  I feel so close to all of my caring Tramadevil fighting buddies!

Loopey- Join us!  We're here for you!


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by legaljunky, Oct 29, 2011
forgot my ticker- I love it!

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by Sarabie, Oct 29, 2011
There's an old saying: Against stupidity even Gods struggle in vain. That has helped me when ever pharmacists etc tell me that tramadol isn't addictive.

I'm still struggling with my stomach ache. Think I've found the reason. Voltaren tablets 50 mg. My God they are nasty. Got a nettle rash in the entire face and scalp and a bad stomach ache and suddenly I remembered why my doctor put me on tramadol. Guess I'm allergic to to that voltaren stuff. Anyways just found out that around 200 people dies from Voltaren every year in Denmark (we are only 5,5 millions) so there's another painkiller that goes on my poison list.

Apart from that, I'm doing fine. Played nintendo wii sport with my mom for 3 hours last night and that was so much fun. I'm moving to a new appartment in a week. A bit ambivalent about it. Can't wait to be on my own again and able to do what I want, when I want. But also a bit frightened. My parents have been my safety blanket for these 2 months and it has been such a great time. My main worry is to be lonely. I have friends and family in Copenhagen, but you know... I have been living alone for about 15 years. I loved it. But then I fell in love and moved in with the love of my life and his 3 kids. When I messed that up, I moved in with my parents, so I haven't been alone since then. So I need to find what was great about being alone and why I loved it so much. Anyways I'm also going to work a lot, guess that'll help. I know it's better to have loved and lost, than never loved at all, but I must admit this would have been easier if I'd never tried having a family of my own. Well I guess I'll just have to win his love back. Wow - there's a number one hit song in me somewhere :-D

Well guys - it's Saturday - I'm making burgers with cheese, bacon and fried onions and I just know my stomach will kill me afterwards. But then I have an excuse for drinking coke too :-D

Love to you all

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by Icandothis10, Oct 29, 2011
Yes Loopey!  Please stay with us!  Whether you have been on this crap for four years or four days....basically, it's evil and horrible and nobody but NOBODY deserves to go through what this crap puts you through.  Please don't think what I said was rough, I do hope that it wasn't the Tram though that was doing that to you and I hope it didn't get a hold of your brain like it did us long time users.  Either way....hanging out here with these folk is really cool!


I felt like @$$ yesterday and I'm not sure if it was w/d or if I have the flu.  I am going to stay at my 6.75 pill dose for a few more days.  I may even order, yet another stupid bottle (not as many) so when I get down to half pills a day, I'm going to take it so slow.  I just can't believe what this crap does to someone's body.  I also can't come to terms with the fact that it's completely legal to purchase online.  

And I am telling you guys....if those stupid people call me one more time....I'm going to drive to Oregon and kick someone in the head....not really but.....

love and strength and... tea!!  lots of tea!!!

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by loopey2u, Oct 29, 2011
You didn't come off as rough at all Icandothis, not at all.

I just want off this crap.  

Hmmmm, today I felt like @$$ until I took my first dose of 2 pills, like I was coming down with something.  My last dose was at 3 p.m. Friday, and I didn't wake up till 10 this morning and I took them immediately upon waking.  I probably should have just sucked it up and not taken any, but I didn't feel like being couch bound this weekend, and I am trying to avoid what happened last time.  My neck and shoulder are acting up, but whatever.  I'd rather deal with pain than be on this crap.

My God, I can't believe you can get w/d's from only 6 pills.  This stuff should really be taken off the market, IMO.  I could see if one was abusing it, and would expect them to have withdrawals, but this is a normal dose that my doc said was fine!

I took another dose at 5 p.m., (2 pills) and I just feel very tired, crabby and am having very slight electric shock feelings.  I hope tomorrow isn't worse.  If it's not, I'm going to go down to 3 pills on Monday.

My husband still thinks I'm nuts.  He takes Tramadol too, prescribed by our family doc and said he's perfectly fine when he misses a dose.  I still can't help but wonder if my serotonin system is touchy, that's why I feel like this when he doesn't...

Going to try to start walking tomorrow too.  Thanks everybody for being here, I appreciate it more than you know.

Loop

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by loopey2u, Oct 29, 2011
I'm sorry you have to place another order for this stuff Ican, but if that's what it takes to get off of it then so be it.

Thinking of you and wishing you the best.  I didn't even know you could order this online until I started reading this site.  I can't believe they actually call you.  Well, yes I can.  It's all about the almighty dollar isn't it...

Thanks for the welcome Legal.  I'm sorry you had so many problems with this horrible drug, but am glad you're off of it.  I looked up voltoaren and found it is difolnac.  I tried that first, and it did nothing for me.  At this point I am ready to give up and just quit seeing the doctors for this altogether and just deal with it.  It's expensive, and I'm getting nowhere.



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by Icandothis10, Oct 29, 2011
Loopey, you know what?  Don't do that to yourself.  IF you have enough pills and you can replenish them, then taper.  You shouldn't have to feel like crap for days and days on end.  You will eventually get very tired of feeling like that and end up popping more or just saying "screw it" and staying on them.  Taper, taper and taper.  Oh and yes, you CAN get nasty withdrawals off of 6 lousy pills.

I realized that I may be tapering a bit too quickly and have been feeling awful the last couple of days so I'm sticking to my dose.  I REFUSE take even a little more even to feel better since I made it two days on the lower dose.  Hell, I only took it down a qtr pill, like 12.5 mg.  I think I may be coming down with the nasty too, and Auntie Flow is coming too so that may be why I feel like that.

Loop - You HAVE to want to be off this sh*t!  So when you taper, you MUST realize that those pills are only there for tapering and that's it!  Don't let yourself take more than you need to.  I'm actually amazed that I have no desire than to take my dose.  I was actually pretty tempted to take the extra qtr pill today but I didn't.  I realize that tapering is the absolute only way and yes, I may even order one more bottle because I need to go very, very slow.  If it takes me a year, it takes me a year.  At least I'll be making progress instead of just continuing on with abusing them.  I really do think I will order a bottle so I can go so slow that I won't feel a thing.  I'll need that while I'm gone

It's ok Loop, don't be in a hurry ok?  Go to Wally World and get a pill cutter, cut in halves and qtrs and write down your does during the day.  Don't put your body through hell.  Nobody wants to feel terrible for such a long period of time

I am no expert, but I think maybe you are sensitive or your brain chemistry is very delicate since you are so effected by this crap.  You couldn't be more correct, it needs to be off the market!!  It's such garbage.  I cannot wait till the day that I'm down to taking literally small crumbles planning for the 0 pills.  I do know one thing, I will never take this crap again

Good luck!  Love and strength and welcome to our "club"

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by loopey2u, Oct 29, 2011
Thanks, Ican.

I am going to get a pill cutter next week.  Luckily I've got the 50 mg. pills that are scored, so I won't have to use the cutter till I need to split the .25 dose.  

Who would've ever though about worrying about splitting pills in 1/2 and taking crumbs..... Sad.

It's a shame too, because it was the only thing so far that almost completely eliminated the pain I'm having. Went from a 6-7 to a 2.  I don't want more vicoden, didn't work anyway, so we're going to have to find something else.  My mom took neurontin for a nerve problem nobody could diagnose and it worked, so I'm going to ask the doc. about that next time I see him on Nov. 8th.  

My hubby keeps telling me to just take it if it's working and worry about possible side effects later and my sister said the same thing.

Sorry I'm posting so much, but it's comforting to know there's somebody out there that's experienced the same thing since my family thinks I'm nuts...lol  

Has anybody here told their doctor how hard this has been to come off of?  

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by Icandothis10, Oct 29, 2011
Loopey...post as often as u need to.  I do!!  We are all here to help each other....stop feeling guilty about that because there is no reason to!  You have enough on your mind, talking to someone is the best thing for you and us!

Don't keep taking them Loopey.  If you do anything...don't get seriously hooked on these and use them for years.  It will waste that time in your life.  It robs you of normal feelings.  You would just end up here, years down the road, feeling worse.  Have you tried St Johns Wort?  I know some here had issues with it!  It may be of help for you though

I have to cut down to qtrs.  It is sad but it's the only way I can wean without flipping out.  I didn't tell my doctor.  I can't.  I'm in the military.  I don't want to start something in my records.  It could effect what happens when I retire.  That's a big no no and I'm sure he'd just not understand anyway, like so many others.  I can do this with the help of friends, hubby and you guys!!!

Man, I need soup!  Hugs!!!

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by loopey2u, Oct 29, 2011
Oh, as soon as I wean the rest are going in the garbage.  I would like to just give the bottle to the doc. and ask him to dispose of the poison becuase I don't want to pollute the water supply by flushing them, but like you I don't want anything in my records so I'm keeping quiet.

You CAN do this, and you will Ican.  So will I like countless others, and let me tell you after this I'm listening to my gut and really researching meds before I take them.




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by Sarabie, Oct 30, 2011
loopey2u - My doctor knows how addictive tramadol is. When she put me on them she said "I know I'm making you an addict now. And when it's time to stop we'll take it from there. I don't quite know how it works in the States, but here in Denmark all medicine comes with a note telling all about the drug. It says on the note that tramadol is addictive and should only be prescriped with care. So it's really not her fault that I chose to continue - and since my body had developed quite a resistance, my dose was up to 24 pills a day when I peeked. But the thing is - when my doctor said it was time to stop, I wasn't ready to stop. Kind of like your husband. He's obviously having a good time with his trams - and nothing you or anyone else says will effect him. When I started 5 years ago I could go for weeks without any - no w/d's at all. Like him. But my advice is to make sure he doesn't increase his dose. You yourself is on the right track :-D

It's 8 weeks today for me. 8 weeks ago this very day I just had enough. Tapered for 5 days from my 24 pills a day and went Cold Turkey. Had the worst w/d's and went to hell and back in the same week. Then it was just "semi" hell for another week or so. And now I'm back. Almost full strengh again. But I'm lucky. I don't have any pains that needs treatment, so it's easier for me to stop I guess.

Hehe I just remembered that I actually flushed 45 trams in the toilet. It was soluble tablets, so it really made a fountain. I kept 15 tablets, but I will go flush them now. They were kind of like a safety blanket during this period. But today will be the day where I remove that.

Hope life is treating everyone good these days. I guess you have Halloween tomorrow? Have fun :-)

Loads of love, Susie

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by legaljunky, Oct 30, 2011
Good morning my best friends, happy to see all of you here!

Yesterday I took my Tramadevils  to the police station to be incinerated!  4 times a year the date is announced in the local news paper and we can anonymously bring drugs to be disposed of.  We brought all of our old RX meds and they took them all.  I can't tell you how good that felt!  Now our house is clean too!  Just like me!  And just like all of you will be!

Sarabie- We will have the first white Halloween ever.  I watched the snow fall last night, it was so beautiful.  As you are moving to your apartment, remember we will still be here for you, you will never be alone.

Loopey-  I was on 200mg a day prescribed Tram when I started my taper and went very slowly, that's the only way I could have managed it.  Even then it wasn't easy.  Post as many times a day as you need to, I know it helped me in the beginning.  One of us will usually be able to tell you how we dealt with a particular symptom.

Icandothis- Your strength and fortitude are incredible!  The only thing you fear is hypo needles?  That's only because you haven't had many.  Lyme disease got me past that fear real quick!

Love and strength to you all!

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by legaljunky, Oct 30, 2011
forgot my ticker again

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by Sarabie, Oct 30, 2011
Wii got myself a ticker :-D

Snow????? Where are you from legal?



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by Icandothis10, Oct 30, 2011
bzzt....stupid braiin zaps....I took my 1.75 pill dose and took care of that crap right away.  Took my amino acids and caffeine pill. Have you all ever seen the stupid Amino Acid mix from GNC?  I pulled the pill out of the bottle and I thought it was going to grow legs and start doing a dance.  The thing is HUGE!!!   I feel better this morning but I honestly think I'm coming down with something.  I never felt this bad from reducing any of doses before so I think I might have the yuckies.  I get to go see the happy doc next week too.  I'll get him to give me some Motrin 800 mg's....now that, my friends, is good stuff.

Even if it is my doses, I won't bring it back up....I just won't...that won't happen.  I'll be using every single pill that I do have and weaning and weaning and doing it so slow that my body won't notice any difference.  I know it's going to be a long road....sometimes that fact bums me out but that's ok....it's progress and that's how we all make our goals right?

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by Gizmok, Oct 30, 2011
Good morning everyone, i hope you are all doing well. I am taking it one day at a time. Last week I had a ton of energy and gave my house a pre winter cleaning like no ones business. And then was in so much pain that I have not moved for two days. This pain and these "pills" , all pills, are such a trap. I am in so much pain and the Vicodin that my dr gave me did not help so I disposed of it not wanting to have a temptation like that around me. When I did my cleaning I finally cleaned out my pill bottle shelf (I won't throw them away with the label on because I'm afraid someone will get ahold of them and try to call in a refill pretending to be me) so I had a shelf just pretty much full of empty pill bottles, I ripped all the labels off and when I was done they filled a paper grocery bag and a half. I was sooooo ashamed and so relieved to get them out of my house. I am so happy for all you tram fighting buddies, we are winning the war. Loopy- welcome to the "club" to use someone else's term. It really does help to come on here and read everyone's encouragement everyday. Keep up the fight guys and keep me in your thought I'm in a hard place right now. I'm very depressed. Legal- I sent you a message, ican I am so happy to read your posts everyday you are a fighter!!! Single- you have some great advice thank you, and to everyone else and I mean everyone thank you for posting here you all give me hope every day. <3 keep up the fight tram warriors. We can do this

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by Icandothis10, Oct 30, 2011
Giz?  You ok?  Refresh my memory please....where you weaning and going CT?  You have nothing to be ashamed of....nothing at all.  Micheal Vick has something to be ashamed of.....Jeffery Donner has something to be ashamed of.....you don't.  You've done nothing wrong!!  Nothing at all.....



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by Gizmok, Oct 30, 2011
Ican- I'm okay, just having trouble with severe depression, and I don't know why. I was actually thinking about killing myself yesterday and that is just not me. It scared me pretty bad.  I'm not a person that ever thinks that way. I quit taking the tram a couple of weeks ago cold turkey, and aside from some hot flashes and brain zaps, I am pretty much back to normal. But lately I have been dealing with some major depression, I think that the pain I am in has something to do with it. I have been trying acupuncture again, with little to no results. I have an appt with a surgeon on Friday to find out the date of my surgery. I am looking forward to an end to the pain, but I am also scared for some reason, I have had a total of 7 surgeries so far, for unrelated issues, and I've only had one bad experience with waking up on the table. I'm just scared of having another surgery this time for some reason. They get harder and harder to recover from the older I get. And this one will be on my back, they are going to fuse my spine. I'm scared and I feel like such a baby. I mean if you can head off into the middle east while detoxing off tramdevil, I should be able to handle one surgery. Just keep me in your thoughts, I'm just not in a good place mentally right now and I dont know how to fix it. You are one tough girl and I am thankful for your posts on here. I am thankful for EVERYONE posting on here. I come here every day, and read them all.  I am praying for you all and sending good thoughts your way. Keep up the fight warriors. One day at a time, one minute, one second at a time always. Life is beautiful without the haze of drugs. Now I just need to pull myself out of this funk.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 30, 2011
Giz- Damn girl, PLEASE feel better!  Do you by any chance think that all these surgeries might be taking it's toll on you?  Also, what are they going to give you for pain after the surgery?  You will HAVE to take something.  There is no way you can tolerate pain from back surgery.  Also, did you think about talking to someone?  I really wish there was something I could say to make it all go away and make you feel better.  You haven't been on here much.  PLEASE stay with us.  Maybe the constant alteration and messing with your body and spine is effecting your brain?  Do you think?  I really want you to feel better, even if it's a little bit.  And don't you worry, you're always in my thoughts and everyone elses here.

Sending a big hug.  Funny you mention how things effect us as we get older.  It's amazing what age does isn't it?  It's amazing how our bodies react to things, how we view things and our opinions about things and how much all that changes so drastically as we age.  Some of it good, others bad.

Please let me know if there is something that I can send you....books, magazines with pictures of half naked, muscular men, cross word puzzle books...anything?  Let me tell you, I can throw together a MEAN care package....you let me know and I can have a box out before you can say "Tramadol *****!"



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by loopey2u, Oct 30, 2011
Keep talking, Giz..  If it helps you to get it out then do it.  This is a dangerous, wicked drug and it saddens me that the doctors think it's so great.  Do you think the depression is a side effect of going off of this crap?

Have you called your doc?  If not, please do so first thing tomorrow morning. I think he/she should know how poorly you're feeling.  Maybe there's something out there that can help.

I feel like crap.  No brain zaps, but I'm lethargic and CRABBY.  Even the sound of my hubby's voice is on my last nerve if you KWIM...lol  2nd day of 200 mg. instead of the 300mg. and I just want to crawl into a hole.

Really thinking of just going C/T off of this tomorrow, and load up on bendadry all day and just sleep it off if I can.  I am still in awe that only 3 weeks of being on this ON A DOSE WELL WITHIN THE SAFE LIMITS has me feeling so horrible.  Actually I'm angry about it.  If the doc would have told me this is something you have to wean off of I would have said no from the get go.

Going to drugs.com to see if there's an interaction between the tram and benadryl...    

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by Icandothis10, Oct 30, 2011
Loopey - Man, that totally *****!!  I am so sorry

Don't forget to give your body what you can to give into some of those cravings and don't be in such a hurry.  You took it down 100mg!  Try to take it down 50 mg instead and maybe you won't feel so rough.  Also, don't forget to get some caffeine in your body along with L-Tyrosine, B vitamins, regular vitamins and drink some fluids!!  Also, pop some advil or aleve, whatever your OTC pain reliever is.  Don't just feel you HAVE to suffer, take some other stuff that will help ease the edge a bit.

Also, if you take a nice hot bath, that should help you too.  I really hope you feel better.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 30, 2011
Loopey,

Sorry that you are feeling bad.  After about 7 weeks of withdrawal, I have actually been feeling normal and good lately.  I hope you can join me soon in feeling well.

I once had that "crawl in a hole" feeling - I used my bed as the hole - and didn't want to leave the house.  Now, several weeks later, I am driving with my kids through the South - no prob.

Thinks will get better.

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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 30, 2011
*things*

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by legaljunky, Oct 31, 2011
Good morning Tram warriors,my favorite people- I had a great day yesterday- enough energy the whole day!  I'm so happy for me and I know you will all get there too!

Icandothis- I went into fullblown WD for about 4 days last week when they tried to do a Colonoscopy.  So who knows, maybe something, your visit from Auntie Flo (never heard that before!) may have triggered a spike in WD. Hope it is short lived and you are back to your amazing self again.

Loopey- You're in that horrible stage Tramadevil puts us thru.  I could never have tapered that quickly, I was so afraid of seizures  and didn't know what other horror might be ahead of me.  And as you probably already know, Tram attaches to our fat cells so it remains in our bodies for a long time.
The initial hell I went thru on my last 4 days of 40MG daily and then 4 days on 0 were so bad.  Then the WD hell was with me again for 4 days after being Tram free for 6 or 7 weeks.  But we're a different and all I can do is tell you what I've been thru and hope with all my heart  that you have an easier time.  Any which way we do it, we're all on the right track! What could be better ?!!

Sarabie- The anonymity of this forum is part of what makes it work so well, but I guess I don't care if the whole world knows where Legaljunky lives!  I'm in central New jersey, US.  Our snow is actually gone by today but it was so beautiful while it lasted.

Gizmok- You are at the top of my hope list as you know.  Do you remember Serotonin Syndrome? When 2 antidepressants interact and cause suicidal ideation.  Could it be that the  antidepressant in Tram is suddenly coming into play?
And I remember when I was first put on meds for depression.  The Dr. said depression isn't only negative thinking,  lack of interest in anything and energy sapping, it's also the severe back pain I had.  Depression is physical as well as mental and emotional. Hang in there with us, we'll pull each other thru it all. That part of this forum is so exciting!

Love and strength to fight Tramadevil!



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by Sarabie, Oct 31, 2011
Legaljunkie - hehe I just wanted to know where on earth it was snowing already. But they told us on the news :-) The East Coast of USA.

Gizmok - you are in my thoughts!! Of course you are frightened of having surgery in your spine. That someone else are dealing with harder stuff, doesn't make your problems smaller. We mustn't compare ourselves to each other as we are so different. My point is that you are a very strong woman! Not many people could do what you have accomplished with surgeries, cold turkey etc. So please don't think less of yourself. We are put on earth to learn. Everything is a process. You are on the right track and even though it seems dark right now, things will brighten for you. Sounds like suchs a cliché, but it's true. And as the others said - use us in here. We'll listen to you and help in any way we can.

I myself have a splitting headache today. There's always something. But I'm pretty sure it's because I am worried. Well that's all from Denmark for the time being. Heads up everyone. We are the good guys :-D


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by SingleDadOnTram, Oct 31, 2011
Dammit!

I've had some strong emotional stress the last few days - and now I'm back to crying for no reason.  I guess my apparent recovery was more fragile than I thought.

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by Icandothis10, Oct 31, 2011
I put my beloved parrot down tonight.....I have a massive headache and was so tempted to take just one more Tramadol than I usually do.....I didn't.

My poor baby....I couldn't let her suffer....I feel like absolute crap and I'm going to bed.  I'm tired of feeling like crap!  I haven't been tapering too quickly at all....or have I?  Who knows....I just want to go to go to bed.

G'night all

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by Sarabie, Oct 31, 2011
SingleDad and Icandothis: I'm thinking of you both. Wish you were here, so I could give you both a big hug.

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by loopey2u, Nov 01, 2011
I'm sorry, Single dad.  Stick with it.  It WILL get better.  I wonder if the stress is making your symptoms worse.

Any better today?

Took my first dose of 2 pills at 5 am yesterday morning, and just took 2 more now.  

Eh, 26 hours in between doses, not bad.  Looks like I'm down to 2 now if I don't take any more today.

Crabby and super, super tired and brain zaps (mild but still annoying) but I'm going to ride it out.  I might take the dog for a walk later.

I have physical therapy again tonight and wish I didn't have to go. Besides the neck manipulation and traction it's all stuff I can do here at home, just seems like a waste of money (that I don't have) hahahaa.

The doc is probably going to say something about taking 6 tramadol a day, but seriously, I hurt.  They do work extremely well at the 6 a day, (pain went from a 6-7 to a 2) but so would anything if you take a buttload of them....After I got my refill last Thursday the pharmacy said I have to make an appointment to be seen.   I did, I go next Tuesday.

Is this standard procedure?  I haven't seen him in about 6 weeks, and I understand they just can't keep writing scripts for people that they don't see regularly, but I am scared he's going to yell at me.  When I go for my prozac and xanax refill I make an appt. with my GP because 6 months is a long time to be writing scrips for somebody without being seen so I understand that.  

On the bottle it says take 1 pill every 8 hours as needed.  He told me in the office to take 2 if I need to.  Well, I did need to, 3 times a day.  

I don't want to live on pills, I have enough of a hard time accepting that I need the prozac every day.

Sorry, I'm rambling.  Have a great day everybody.

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by loopey2u, Nov 01, 2011
I'm sorry Ican.  Pets become family members, that is so sad.  I hope you get some sleep.  ((hugs))

You too Singledad.  Cry if you need to.  



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by legaljunky, Nov 01, 2011
Icandothis- So sad to hear you lost your parrot. I know she will leave a big hole in your heart .  We are so lucky to have a huge black lab, Daisy.  We borrowed her from our daughter after she had her 3rd child and life became complete chaos in their house and they were thinking of finding a new owner for Daisy.  I know God planned this, it was at a time, almost 2 years ago when we were both not well and Daisy was just what we needed.  I'm sending you a hug and a great big Daisy lick!
Hope you're feeling better today but if not, maybe stay at your current level an extra day or 2?  As I remember you have even more than you normal stressers going on, with the loss of your parrot and Flo and all.  You are so much more resourceful than I was- using over the counter stuff to help you along.

Loopey- It sounds like your Dr. is on top of things, unlike mine. I remember how grumpy I was, anything could set me off and I screamed at the top of my lungs at my poor husband. I think the grumpy came mixed in with crying, part of Tramadevil's potion.  I'm well past that now, you will be too!

Sarabie-  Hi pal!  Hope the head ache is gone!  You've got great things ahead of you.  Just hang in while you go thru the uncertainty of pulling it all together.  

Singledad- Tramadevil is full of surprises!  I think crying is probably good, gets stuff out of our system. It's just the feelings that come with it that make it so hard to deal with.

Gixmok- You've got it tough and now I think I'm past it all, I wish I could pass on to you my enthusiasm, but I know it comes at a different price for each of us.  Know that I'm always thinking of you sending you my love and strength.

My turn-  I feel like I'm on a high- no Tram, just me!  For the first time in months I actually walked Daisy!  That has been my husband's job till yesterday. And I made some big decisions (booked a flight to FL to see grand children).  Before yesterday I couldn't sort things out in my head to know when I could schedule anything before Christmas.  I feel a major change in my recovery has just taken place.  I'M SO HAPPY!   I want you all to come here with me!  In your own time.  I had no idea what recovery would actually mean and it just gets better and better!

Sending you all joy, strength, energy, smiles, love, enthusiasm, creativity, and the best the universe has to offer- I really believe we can have it, not as quickly as we want it, and I know it is unfair to say this to you who have fear and physical hurdles ahead of you, but I believe it is the spiritual, not religious joy we can help each other find inside ourselves.  I want it for all of us Tramadevil warriors. When it looks impossible, there is still hope

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by Sarabie, Nov 01, 2011
Legaljunkie - I'm so extremely happy on your behalf !!!! It feels like the biggest burden of all are taken off your shoulders, when you finally reach the point where everything is good again. Looking back it's only two weeks ago you were sad and felt depressed. So that's a great motivation for our fellow warriors who are where you were. A trip to Florida sounds like the perfect thing to do :-D

My headache is gone. I actually don't have any pains anywhere today and celebrated by eating extremely unhealthy. Mac'n'cheese with bacon and ketchup. I seriously need to work out. Will be the first thing I do when I move back to Copenhagen... join the gym. I'm sure it will do me good. Also mentally. It feels so good afterwards. And then I need to start eating healthy again. Guess it's my luck that the Danish Government have made a "fat tax". Which means that "fatty foods" are SO expensive now. And if the tramadol actually stucks to our fat cells, it must be like poison to eat mac'n'cheese. Well one thing at a time.

I hope everyone had a scary halloween and got their tummies full of candy yesterday :-D

Love from Susie

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by Icandothis10, Nov 01, 2011
God what a day....but I feel much better.  My headache is gone and I'm not nearly as tired as I was yesterday.  I miss Lili by Fay Fay has been diagnosed with "Fatcatidous"....yes, that's "Fat Cat Idus"...pig, but he slept with me and cuddled me last night since he knew Lili didn't come back.  The labs are ok, they just know when I'm not feeling good

I took my doses and started sweating  a little tonight but nothing big.  I just feel like I'm going to be putting up with these mild w/d's for months!  It's ok, good time to deploy!

Good night everyone!

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by EmilyPost, Nov 01, 2011
This thread is closed.

Please post on Part 48!


http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/322877/Tramadol--Ultram-Recovery-Room-Part-48

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by butterfly75, Nov 04, 2011
I am in a struggle right now with trammies.  This site is a Godsend.  Every single post helps me in some way.  Thank you to all of you  and please continue to post, there are people that are listening and you are helping them.  

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by Gizmok, Nov 17, 2011
Hi butterfly75- this thread has been closed click the link on emilyposts message just above yours. You will find wonderful people to talk too. <3

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