Enoch Choi, MD  
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Palo Alto - CA

Specialties: Family Medicine

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Tips on telling a cold from a bacterial infection: sinusitis, pharyngitis, bronchitis

Jan 30, 2008 11:54AM - 50 comments
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The flu has passed epidemic rates in much of the country, and if you don't have a cold, I'm sure you have a friend who has the sniffles, fever, chills, aches and pains of a viral upper respiratory infection.  This is different from a bacterial infection such as sinusitis, bronchitis, or pneumonia.  A viral infection doesn't improve with antibiotics as these infections do.  A virus hijacks your own body's healthy cells and uses it to reproduce and spread.  A bacteria is its own living cell and multiplies and spreads on its own and is easier to destroy in that process.  

Speaking of outbreaks, influenza is finally reaching Palo Alto right around now. If your doctor knows that your own area is experiencing an outbreak of influenza, it may be reasonable to treat with antiviral drugs, especially if your temperature is more than 100 degrees and your symptoms have lasted less than 48 hours, and you don't have pneumonia. This is because antivirals won't help if given after 2 days of symptoms. They work by stopping the spread of the virus and if you take the antiviral too late, it's too late to stop the spread, it's already happened.

Here are some guidelines on helping differentiate between run of the mill colds and more serious bacterial infections:




When do I need antibiotics for a cold, as an adult?

Never.

Are you sick with a runny nose, sore throat, cough, possibly even goey green and brown stuff coming out? Well, you're not alone, you've got a cold like millions of other adults right now around the world. Colds are upper respiratory infections that are almost always caused by viruses in adults. They typically get better after a week to ten days.

Viruses can even cause colored mucous, that thick discharge you can't see through, which many people believe only can come from a bacterial infection. Colds can even cause pressure in sinuses, when viruses affect the sinuses .
Antibiotics don't help in these viral infections. Treatments aimed at reducing symptoms can help. A recent review in the American Family Physician journal on Feb 15, 2007 highlights some of the treatments that are helpful in the common cold and how to tell if you're getting worse than just a viral infection:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20070215/515.html

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20070215/522ph.html

symptoms that are worse than those of a normal cold or that haven't gotten better in 10 days

• a high fever

• an earache that gets worse

• a pain in your face, especially on one side

• shortness of breath

• a health problem that makes it more likely that you will have problems with a cold (for example: asthma and other lung diseases or a disease that affects how your body fights infection)

These are general guidelines, meant to be taken in the whole context of your health history by your doctor.

Conditions that increase the risk of bacterial infection including the complication of pneumonia include the elderly or those with heart and lung disease. Another helpful reference includes the American College of Physicians, Annals of Internal Medicine, 20 March 2001, Volume 134, Number 6. http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/6/479





When do I need antibiotics for sinusitis, as an adult?

Doc! My face hurts on one side and colored mucous is coming out! These are common complaints from adult patients who think they have acute bacterial sinusitis. What people don't know is that it's not common before 7 days of illness, and it's usually best to hold off on antibiotics until symptoms have stuck around for more than a week. Sinusitis is different from the first few days of stuffiness and pressure from viral illness. Clues that you may have a bacterial infection include

- pus coming out of your nose,

- upper tooth pain or pain in your face,

- sinus pain on one side,

- new or worse symptoms after initially improving after a cold

Instead of antibiotics, reach for over the counter painkillers, fever reducers, and decongestants. When it's more clear to your doctor that you do in fact have a bacterial sinusitis, your symptoms will be more moderate to severe, and can be treated with antibiotics that are more narrow-spectrum such as amoxicillin as a first choice. Later generation antibiotics that have broader coverage across more kinds of bacteria should be reserved for complicated infections.

These are general guidelines, meant to be taken in the whole context of your health history by your doctor. Another helpful reference includes the American College of Physicians, Annals of Internal Medicine, 20 March 2001, Volume 134, Number 6.

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/6/479






When do I need antibiotics for sore throat?

Rarely.

Doc, I'm sure I have strep throat, it's killing me! Well, you may have it but it's pretty unlikely. Only 5 to 15 per cent of people with sore throat have Group A beta-hemolytic Strepococcus bacterial infections. Most cases are viral. Your doctor may consider treating for strep if you have at least 3 of the 4 following signs: fever, pus on tonsils (exudate), tender lymph nodes in front of your neck (anterior cervical lymphadenopathy), and lack of cough (no coughing). If so, treat with antibiotics that are more narrow-spectrum such as penicillin since there's virtually no resistance to penicillin by strep in the community. If less than 3 of 4 of these signs are positive, then wait for your strep test or throat culture to show a bacterial infection before taking antibiotics.

These are general guidelines, meant to be taken in the whole context of your health history by your doctor. Another helpful reference includes the American College of Physicians, Annals of Internal Medicine, 20 March 2001, Volume 134, Number 6.

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/6/479



When do I need antibiotics for bronchitis?

Almost never.

Doc, I can't stop coughing and am bringing up pus. Well, you're not alone. Millions of other people are in your shoes right now, and over 90 per cent of them have viral infections with coughs productive of colored phlegm.

You should watch out for symptoms of pneumonia but if you have a fever under 100 degrees, pulse rate less than 100, less than 24 breaths per minute, and your doctor doesn't hear anything in your lungs, you can be reassured that pneumonia is unlikely. If your doctor is worried that you might have pneumonia, a chest x-ray can look to see if there's an infection, especially for those who have coughed for more than 3 weeks.

With a viral bronchitis, you should avoid antibiotics especially zpacks (Zithromax / azithromycin) which are overprescribed for these symptoms , and can lead to side effects and adverse drug reaction such as rash, antibiotic drug resistance and yeast infections. Instead, helpful treatments include cough suppressants, bronchodilators (albuterol inhalers), and antihistamine-decongestants.

One possible exception is that you might need antibiotics in an exacerbation of COPD (emphysema or chronic obstructive bronchitis) expecially if you have worse shortness of breath and productive cough of pus.

Another possible exception is that you might need antibiotics in case of an infection with pertussis, where you cough for more than 2 weeks AND have an uncontrollable cough which can cause vomiting, or a whoop sound when you breathe in. In this case, your doctor may swab to look for pertussis, and may choose to start treating you with erythromycin or azithromycin (zithromax) especially if there's an outbreak of it locally in your community, just as we've had here locall in Santa Clara County.

These are general guidelines, meant to be taken in the whole context of your health history by your doctor. Another helpful reference includes the American College of Physicians, Annals of Internal Medicine, 20 March 2001, Volume 134, Number 6.

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/6/479





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by chigirl29, Jan 30, 2008 01:21PM
Great post, Dr. Choi.  Our dr. just prescribed antibiotics for a viral illness--with no secondary infection present or one detectable.  I think more doctors should read this.  Antibiotics are way over-prescribed.

by Enoch Choi, MD, Jan 30, 2008 01:57PM
thanks for the kudos!  they sure are over-prescribed!

by lksa, Jan 30, 2008 03:49PM
Doctor Choi,
It is so refreshing to have a web page like yours that just gives us some good common sense information . I get so annoyed when I receive emails claiming cures for all sorts of ailments, and then after scrolling through ten or fifteen testimonals, they say "Just sent $49 and I'll disclose these three simple ingredients for you." They are usually titled, "Things your doctor doesn't want You to Know." I never fall for this junk, because I know that any doctor who stumbles on a cure for cancer will not ask money for his "secret." There was one advertisement on your page, doctor, that tauts a cure for chronic bronchitis. He states that this miraculous cure was "given" to him by an elderly lady that lived across the street from him. I wonder why, if it was given to him , he can charge for it.
What do you think of these practices, doctor Choi, and why are they allowed to scam people like this?
also, do you know that they are advertising on your site?

by itsallwaves, Jan 30, 2008 04:23PM
At what points during a cold are you considered contagious?

by kimber54, Jan 30, 2008 04:23PM
I agree with what you are writing especially being a nurse.  I use homeopathics and herbals to help which do most times.  But this time, after getting the respiratory flu, I had terrible pain in my chest, a high pitched inhalation when having paroxysms of coughing, and a cough not responding well to OTC stuff.  Using tessalon perles helped the cough abate but I had awful tasting mucus, was unable to bring it up and horrible shortness of breath with what is normally unchallenging activity.  Being the weekend, I went to a "minute clinic" and was seen and although I was not super congested in my lungs, based on symptoms I was given azithromycin.  Within 48 hours, I was a new person and the chest pain, shortness of breath, etc. lifted.  The awful taste is also gone.  This was less than a week of being ill but I feel I really benefited from the antibiotics even though based on your criteria above I should have waited or avoided altogether this medication.

by Jody515, Jan 30, 2008 04:37PM
Thank you so much for your insight.  I also just went thru a similar issue with sinus issues, headaches, & upset tummy.  I thought it best to just ride it out.  I did & feel much better & glad I did so without running to the doctor or pharmacy. I do not want to take antibiotics unless absolutely necessary.

by itsallwaves, Jan 30, 2008 04:50PM
In addition to my question above, I forgot to ask if it's ok to get a flu shot when you are just getting over a cold.

Thanks for this great article!

by gracem, Jan 30, 2008 05:57PM
Ok.... But here is the question......   My Daughter seems to have cold symptoms since before Christmas....  Hacking cough.... sore throat.... tired....   I thought she must have strep or mono.... It has been going on for over 1 month.... She has gone to the dr. for codine syrup... now has some anti biotics.... But NO ONE ELSE in the house is getting these symptoms??????   Years ago my cousin had a persistent tickle in her throat and as time passed she finally saw a country Dr... who identified it as Hogkins.... So I'm worried about my daughter not imroving and Not Spreading this to the rest of us... she is 18 and in college.

by tkuo, Jan 30, 2008 06:36PM
Dr. Choi,

Helpful article indeed. are there any recommendations for those who has already been infected by bacteria? For example unexplained chest pain for months? How to prevent cells from being hijack by bacteria? Cheers.

by jlk1947, Jan 30, 2008 07:35PM
Dr. Choi
I understand and agree that antibiotics can do nothing for the common cold. I am a 61 year old healthy woman, I do have asthma but not severe.  Since September I have had 6 colds, runny nose, cough (sometimes very severe), facial pain around my sinuses, achy - no temp. I seem to recover for about 10-12 days when I get another cold. I do not see the doctor because I know there is nothing to be done for them. I did see the doctor for another reason with my last cold 3 weeks ago and he did prescribe antibiotics not for the cold but because my ashtma. In about 2 weeks I was feeling better, yesterday I came down with another cold. My question is if there is a reason I'm getting back to back colds that I should be concerned about?  
Thank you.

JanK

by amishra, Jan 30, 2008 08:41PM
THANKS DOC!

by Maengo, Jan 30, 2008 09:17PM
Thank you Dr. for this valuble information.

In response to the question above:
I am often wondering as well, exactly when one is contagious with the cold...is it true we are only contagious before the actual symptoms begin? Thank you.

by MJIthewriter, Jan 30, 2008 09:52PM
I must be one of the rare people who do occasionally get bacterial secondary infections as a complication of getting a cold.  My hypothesis is that my chronic sinus allergies keep my sinuses inflamed, so when I get sick, I'm especially weak there. It seems the sinus infections would most often occur at the peak of allergy season, being fall (ragweed) and spring (tree pollen).

Thankfully *knock on wood* it hasn't happened in about three years, but in the past I would get terribly sick with sinus problems. I would wait it out for about 5 days to a week and see if my symptoms got better.
Eventually it'd get to the point where every time I exhale I'm blowing out thick gunk and feeling terribly sore.  Those times it would not clear up on its own but it did get better after taking antibiotics. I can't take Penn. so my choices are usually limited to zythromax (sp?)



by Enoch Choi, MD, Jan 31, 2008 02:20AM
to itsallwaves:  ironically, one is most contagious the week up to the point of starting to show symptoms since the viruses are most active spreading at that time.  One continues to be contagious as they are coughing/sneezing.

OK to get flu shot, but best to wait until any fevers subside for 24 hours so you don't get that illness mixed up with thinking that it's from the flu shot.

by Enoch Choi, MD, Jan 31, 2008 02:24AM
to tkuo:  best way to avoid getting hijacked is to use universal precautions: wash hands often, stay away from those who cough/sneeze

if you do haev a bacterial infection, antibiotics can help

by Enoch Choi, MD, Jan 31, 2008 02:25AM
to MJIthewriter:

I would question if you really had bacterial infections, and could possibly get better with nasal saline rinse and nasal steroids.

by babahjoseph, Jan 31, 2008 04:52AM
I am feeling pain on my chest and i feel the cold on my throat when talking trying to come but it does not and i did not cough.Is it a sign of cold and i am feeling pain on the back of my neck.
Please help.
Joseph Babah
Freetown Sierra Leone.

by rworell, Jan 31, 2008 06:17AM
Dr. Choi, I too thought that I had an Sinus infection and its been about 15 days but my symptoms are not that severe. my Colds almost always run 10 - 14 days long. Severe at first and then just take forever to leave my body. Is that uncommon??

My symptomos were  Slight pain between the eyes and thick green mucas in the nose.  My doctor prescribed Afrin for twice a day for 5 days and if I don't get better then to call and he'll prescribe an antibiotic.

sounds like you were dead on.  I appreciate the explanation.

Rich from Maine

by watchjack, Jan 31, 2008 07:35AM
Good input Dr.
limit drug intervention, and 'beef-up" the imune system; at the same time short circuit distilling a super-strain of  bacteria.
This is a usefull first step, now we need to look at prophalactic use of antibiotics in animal feed. USA is one of the last remaining few countries that have not outlawed this practice.  Granted cattle gain 10% more weight per unit of cattle feed consumed, but at what cost. Cattle breed resistant  bacterial strains with their gut that people are eventually exposed to, due to inefficiencies in the slaughtering procedure. When experts suggest that cattle should be put on a grass diet; off the corn based diet; for  two weeks before slaughter in order to 'clean out the gut' prior to slaughter; the industry complains of lost profit due to the weight loss in the cattle. We only hear about occurences of food poisoning on the grand scale when many perple are affected. We never hear of the individual cases where people lose one or two days  at work, or possibly more that 'catch' colds' due to the  (sub-clinical) depleted condition of the immune system fighting diet related conditions.
Poultry; in confined pens, display agressive scratching behavior when their  'personal space' (or chicken equivalent)  is violated. This leads to infection and reduction in profits, hence pre-emptive antibiotic administration in the feed.
Maybe these industries should be linked to the health care industry, by tax, based on the number  of occurances of  'industrial practices'  based diseases. We  should pay more attention to this as people are generally  "inoculated" with antibiotics 2 or 3 times a day this way and not only during the flu season. There is another area of study, just beginning, investigating the effect of these  pharmacuticals after entering the 'receiving stream' in out  streams and rivers. The possible impact of  constant low level exposure of  antibiotica on the  environment with possible devestating results. Colera, and other water born diseases that do not respond to  treatment!!!!
By the way none of this is new, I did a term paper on this in college 18 years ago. Way to go media!!! Lets keep pushing a socialized medical system!!!

by friggy, Jan 31, 2008 10:50AM
Dr. Choi, thanks for the bronchitis information.  I think my kid's getting it right now.
Here's an interesting study on how the flu virus spreads, to add to your already impressive knowledge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/health/05flu.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=flu+likes+winter&st=nyt&oref=slogin

by lmusique, Jan 31, 2008 09:11PM
I agree with you that Antibiotics should not be taken unless really necessary.  I always thought that if you have a high fever for several days, that was a vital sign that your body is fighting infection!  That used to be what the Doctors would say ... but now they say it's a virus and time will heal the pain and suffering.

So, what I am wondering is if you let your child run a fever for 10 days and then you discover that there is an infection ... that means that your child missed 10 days of school + another few days before antibiotics start working.  My 17 year old child was recently checked for Strep Throat (3 times) and Mono (twice) and all the tests were negative.  He was in a LOT OF PAIN, high fever, for 4 days but because the tests were negative, the Doctors would not give him any medication, until finally, we brought him again to a Doctor (3rd time) and she finally gave him Penicillin.  As soon as he started taking Penicillin, his fever went away and he began to feel better.

My child took Antibiotics only a few times when he was a small child for ear infections.  For the last 13 years of his life, I don't ever remember him taking Antibiotics or ever being that sick.  He is very active, plays hockey and soccer, loves to go to school and he sometimes gets a minor cold here and there but for the most part, he is in good health.

Now, I can't imagine why anyone (Parent or Doctor) would want to let a child or an adult hang around on a couch, in A LOT OF PAIN, for 10 full days.  That is just cruel to me ...  I think that after 3 days of having a high fever, that is a sign that there is infection somewhere.  His symptoms were:  sore throat, swollen tonsils, blisters in his mouth, high fever, gums were bleeding, gums were white and sore, very tired and weak  - he had no runny nose, no sneezing.

My son could not even eat because he was in such pain and after 4 days, he couldn't even drink water, he was in such pain ... he lost approx. 10 lbs in only 7 days, imagine if he would have gone another 5 days.  He had three Strep Throat Tests and two Mono Tests and everything came out negative so according to the Doctors, there was no reason to give him antibiotics.  But I did not give up, I kept bringing him to a Doctor until I finally got Penicillin for him.  Now maybe I was wrong in giving him Penicillin, but my son is back to school (he missed 6 days of school) and he is almost back to his old self again.  This will remain a mystery for us ... did he only have a virus or did he actually have an infection somewhere in his body.  I would like to think that the FEVER was a vital sign that there was an infection somewhere??~!!!



by djkyosti, Jan 31, 2008 11:13PM
Dr. Choi:
What you have explained here is consistent with what my doctor told me yesterday.  I had a cold for a few days that seemed to be getting worse.  By the fourth day I had a low grade fever, sinus drainage, sinus pressure, sneezing and felt unwell so I went to see my doctor since I am prone to sinusitis and have asthma.  The doctor told me that he thought I just had a cold and that it should clear up on its own.  He did not think it was bacterial and said I did not need antibiotics.  I asked how one knows if sinusitis is bacterial or viral and he said that the indicators are duration and fever of 101 or higher.  Since I already feel better although do still have some drainage (including a small amount of blood after blowing my nose which I thought was a sign of bacteria), I think that this conservative approach of not prescribing antibiotics right away is the best course of action.  It also seems to me that some doctors would have prescribed me antibiotics and I would have felt better and would have assumed it was from the antibiotics even though I would have made the same recovery without them.  

by Joeboo, Feb 01, 2008 12:18AM
Hi Dr. Choi,
I goto your El Camino place on El Camino Real All the time. In fact I think Dr. Markovitz is pretty much done seeing me...

Well, I will come say hi next time I am in Urget care, where I catch most of my infections.



by looloo1122, Feb 01, 2008 08:20PM
I agree how the use/abuse of antibiotics can happen. Your article was very informative. I am just getting over a cold. Never even considered going to a doctor even though I was out of work for 2 days. I used a Neti Pot on my sinuses and think it helped a lot. It has been one week and I feel great now. Some people just don't understand that abusing antibiotics is bad for them.  Thanks Doctor!

by harmonytx, Feb 01, 2008 10:11PM
Hello Dr. Choi,
Just want to say "Thank You' for taking the time to share this helpful information, I appreciate it very much!

by MJIthewriter, Feb 02, 2008 02:50AM
Thanks. This last year I've been put on Fluticasone for my sinus discomfort. I wonder if that could be one reason I've been doing better this last year than other years?

by Enoch Choi, MD, Feb 03, 2008 05:45PM
to everyone who's so sweet, You're Welcome!

to rworell: afrin is fine for folks without hypertension, but watch out.  Your doctor asked you to stop after 5 days, because it's potentially habit forming after just 3-5 days of regular use.  My ex-roomate from college was addicted and took many months to wean off of afrin

to MJIthewriter:  Fluticasone (flonase) is very helpful as a nasal steroid to reduce inflammation, swelling, mucous production.  it's most useful after clearing your nose with saline (salt water, such as Ocean)

by slelle, Feb 17, 2008 06:36PM
Dr. Choi,

My husband was on a business trip to California last week and came back to Chicago very sick on Tuesday.  We had to take him in to the emergency room on Thursday (we just moved to Chicago and don't have a physician yet) because his fever was 104.5 and I was really worried.  They told him that he did not have pneumonia but rather Bacterial Bronchitis and gave him Z-pak and an inhaler.  I can't remember the name of the inhaler prescription.  He is finally starting to feel better this afternoon after 5 days of pure hell but he is worried that he may still be contagious.  We have a 7 month old daughter.  Should he still be worried about holding her?  I assumed that as long as he practiced good hand washing that it would be ok.  What are your thoughts?


by Enoch Choi, MD, Feb 17, 2008 07:45PM
hand washing is great, very helpful to keep the large respiratory particles that are being coughed onto them from spreading to your child.  Wearing a mask is hepful as well, for he same reason.

by bikermomma, Feb 17, 2008 11:33PM
Loved this post. It helped me in so many ways.
Thanks,
Jen

by Maryjaine, Feb 25, 2008 11:57AM
Dear Dr. Choi, My 15 year old son has been battling a severe sore throat for six monthe now that I have been really keeping track. Everytime His pcp has been perscribing antibiotics. They have helped him within two days . This time he would not saying it was viral. The antibiotis were just a bandaide. First of all why did he need a bandaide in the begining. Next for the sake of him being in severe pain, why cant we put the bandaide on again and run further test to see why we needed it in the first place? My frustation is for my son. He has endured this pain for too long and missed too much school. What should be my next step.. He already has an appointment with Ear nose throat Doctor .Should I take him there or am I overreacting?  I was told by the ER doctor that STREP and Mono were the only two bacterial infection affecting the throat.

Thank You,
Dawn