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Various Medical Abstracts About Vasectomy

Feb 23, 2009 - 9 comments
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Abstract: OBJECTIVE. To determine whether or not there is an association between testicular histologic changes and antisperm antibodies in vasectomized men. METHODS. Morphometry was performed on testicular biopsy specimens obtained from 19 vasectomized men and 21 fertile control subjects. Antisperm antibody status was determined on the serum of each patient and control subject using the indirect immunobead assay. RESULTS. Significant increases in seminiferous tubule wall thickness (p < 0.001), focal interstitial fibrosis (p < 0.001), and percent composition of interstitium (p < 0.01) were observed in vasectomized men as compared with control subjects. Serum antisperm activity was present in 74 percent of the vasectomized men but none in the control subjects (p < 0.001). There was no association between testicular histologic changes and immune status. CONCLUSIONS. Vasectomized men exhibit significant testicular histologic changes and increased autoimmune activity as compared with fertile control subjects. These histologic changes are not directly associated with antisperm antibody status, suggesting that some other pathophysiologic process must be responsible. Jarow JP, Goluboff ET, Chang TS, Marshall FF. Relationship between antisperm antibodies and testicular histologic changes in humans after vasectomy. Urology 1994;43:521-4.

My Comment: Because of the low titers of the sperm autoantibodies and the polyclonal nature of the serum, it has been extremely difficult to determine the nature and the number of sperm autoantigens involved in vasectomy-induced autoimmunity.

"When a patient elects to have a vasectomy, he must understand that pressure build-up proximal to the vasectomy site, congestion of the epididymis, and, indeed, epididymal blowouts are inevitable consequences of this surgical procedure. In more than 800 vasovasostomy patients whom we have seen, there is always some degree of epididymal engorgement and congestion. Indeed, after one explores these postvasectomy patients microsurgically, it becomes difficult to understand why the vast majority of such patients have no pain or discomfort." EI Shapiro and SJ Silber, Open-ended vasectomy, sperm granuloma, and postvasectomy orchialgia., Fertility and Sterility, 32: 5, 546-550, November

"In more than 50% of men (closer to75%), vasectomy leads to auto-immune pathology. The auto-immune response to sperms following vasectomy is triggered by the phagocytosis of sperm in the epididymis. In the humoral immune response, sperm agglutinating, sperm immobilizing, and antibodies to sperm nuclear protamines occur, as early as 3-4 days after vasectomy. The incidence reaches 60-70% within 1 year and remains almost the same even after 20 years. Shahani SK, Hattikudur NS, Immunological consequences of vasectomy., Archives of Andrology, 7: 2, 193-9, September, 1981.

My comment: The epididymal blowouts may be more common in men with intense auto-immune reactions to sperm after vasectomy compromises the blood/testes barrier via back pressure and antibody related inflammation. Men with higher pre-vasectomy sperm counts have been reported to have this sort of reaction, but pre-vasectomy sperm counts are not routinely done and no studies exist testing this potential risk factor for PVPS.

The process of spermatogenesis commences after the acquisition of a fully functional immune system. Therefore, all the sperm antigens could become potential autoantigens. Under physiological conditions, both blood-testis and blood-epididymis barriers prevent this undesirable autoimmunity by sequestering these sperm autoantigens from immune cells. Although vasectomy has been used as an effective means of birth control in men, immune response to the sperm antigen is the major consequence of obstruction following vasectomy. There are several reports in the literature illustrating the fact that this alteration in the patency of the vas deferens leads to the generation of ASA, which may result in irreversible auto-immune infertility (Flickinger et al, 1994). A similar phenomenon is also observed in virtually all the laboratory animals studied (Handley et al, 1990). These observations led to the use of the vasectomized mouse model to identify these sperm-associated autoantigens. Journal of Andrology, Vol. 26, No. 6, November/December 2005

Following vasectomy, spermatogenesis continues, the human epididymis and ductus deferens may distend and leak, and the extravasated spermatozoa stimulate formation of a sperm granuloma. Granulomas may occur at 60% of vasectomy sites and are usually asymptomatic and relieve intraluminal pressure. About 3-5% of patients experience pain. Intraluminal phagocytosis may explain why some reproductive tracts become depleted of spermatozoa. Distension of the epididymis is common after vasectomy and may lead to granuloma formation there. Up to 6% of patients have symptoms, but many with epididymal changes have no discomfort. Most episodes of painful epididymitis and granulomas resolve with conservative treatment, but < 1% require vasectomy reversal or, if this is ineffective, excision of the epididymis and obstructed ductus deferens.

My comment: Maybe men should be told this information before vasectomy...



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by Harpz, Feb 25, 2009
This needs to be showed on a documentary on Discovery or similar......I had a vasectomy 5 years ago, Ifond out about these issues within a few weeks post op.  f I had known earlierI porbably would have prefrred to keep my little fellow in my underwear!  Since the op I have had a noticable lack of libido, I feel weaker,I havehad the most painful testicles for he irst two years (highly sensitive at best).  The only plus side is that the vas deferens has completey joined back together.

What a bummer if this op can cause serious medical probems.

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by Brain DoctorBlank, Feb 25, 2009
Most of the men in my online post-vasectomy support group were told vasectomy had no long-term side effects and only about 1 in 30 was told of the risk of chronic testicular pain. To me, this is unethical. I have been writing articles about these issues and posting them all over the internet and started a website to warn men. I am not allowed to mention the location of the articles or the name of the website here as medhelp.org has a no solicitation policy.

Prospective vasectomy candidates should be told of the extensive research showing testicular fibrosis in all vasectomized mammalian species studied to date, including humans. Fibrosis is essentially scar tissue and must have an effect on the function of the testes. The testes have two main functions: Production of sperm and production of sexual hormones (primarily testosterone). The human studies do show a decrease in spermatogenesis reflecting testicular damage. Sertoli cell support of spermatogenesis has been implicated in this pathology as has pressure induced changes from obstruction by closing off the vas deferens via vasectomy.

The studies of testosterone levels after vasectomy have led to conflicting data. This is partly due to reliance on "normal ranges" that are very wide (300 to 1200 ng/dl) and lack of pre-vasectomy levels for comparison purposes, as well as lack of testing for free (bioavailable) testosterone levels. In addition, the studies that show transient increases in testosterone levels reflect damage as opposed to health, and declines in levels surely follow. How could a transient increase in testosterone levels after vasectomy reflect normal function? It is more likely a reflection of damage due to inflammation.

I believe vasectomy causes testicular fibrosis and damages Sertoli cells affecting spermatogenesis. The damage to the testes from obstruction or via immunologic effects may cause earlier "andropause" via relative declines in testosterone causing symptoms of hypogonadism in some men. The total serum testosterone may still be in the "normal" range of 300 to 1200 ng/dl, but a significant decline within the range can still cause symptoms.

You might consider getting you free and total testosterone levels checked.

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by Kevonor, Oct 03, 2009
I had a vasectomy several years ago and have noticed symptoms which I have attributed to it, perhaps wrongly.  I have a dull pain in my testicles periodically and that does not bother me much.  But, what does bother me are the symptoms I have in the days following ejaculation.  I used to get tired after an ejaculation before I had my vasectomy, but now this tired feeling seems to have increased along with a bit of a belly ache.  Most noticeable is my breath, which can knock out a horse in the days following an ejaculation.  

Can my sperm somehow be getting into places it shouldn't and can my body's response be generating this bad breath?  I'm totalling reaching here, but could I have a yeast infection in my sinuses that is somehow made worse by ejaculation?

Should I see a urologist or ear nose and throat doctor?

Thanks for any guidance

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by Hardtime2010, Feb 27, 2010
SInce I had a vesectomy I no longer have a strong ejaculation. Now it just flows out and does not shoot out. Not even a spurt. Can there be something done to fix this?

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by Brain DoctorBlank, Feb 28, 2010
Unfortunately, many men notice a change in the expulsive force of the ejaculate and in the quantity of semen. Men are told that their orgasm will not change, but this is not true for all men after vasectomy. I run an online support group for men with chronic pain after vasectomy. Many have reported this symptom. I call them "dribblers" as their semen just leaks out and they miss the "spurting out" that is normal.

Two of the men who also had pain sought vasectomy reversal and their "dribbling" went back to "spurting". One man who also lost most of his sensation from orgasm and developed chronic pain, had a reversal and it did not help the loss of sensation, but did help his congestive pain.

The  only treatment I know of is vasectomy reversal, but it has to be paid for out-of-pocket (costs about $6000) as insurance won't usually cover it. You should talk to the doctor who did your surgery as he/she may be aware of medications that might help.

Good luck. You can come over to the support group if you wish. Do a search for vasectomy pain under Yahoo groups and you'll find us. I can't list it here as Medhelp banned solicitation to other sites.

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by Notmental, Mar 28, 2010
Hi Brain Doctor,

I posted the comment below on a revolutionhealth website blog that you've also participated in.  I don't know if you have anything to add to it at this time, but hopefully the more exposure I can generate the more likely I will hear back from someone on it.  I should clarify that I suffered no post vasectomy pain and my issues all stem from the change in the intensity of my orgasm and sex drive.  I discussed the issue with the doctor who performed the surgery and he claimed that I was the first patient of his who experienced these effects.  He seemed like a very forthright and honest person and I certainly didn't feel at the time that he was lying to me.  However, it's clear I'm not alone in this so I don't understand why it would come as a complete surprise to him.  Maybe this is a case were the medical profession has declared that the procedure can't effect orgasm sensation and simply dismisses all claims of that as being either pshychological or naturally occurring due to an individuals age.  Apparently, for all of us who are experiencing this, it's all purely a coincidence that these changes came after the procedure and we must have all, for some unknown reason, developed psycholigical issues or hangups and/or suddenly became aware of our age post surgery.  I can accept the medical profession doesn't understand what's happening, after all the human body is ridiculously complex, but what I find most frustrating is the professions reluctance to listen and take people's reported problems seriously.  It's all too easy to dismiss them out of hand and this problem with the profession extends well beyond the issue at hand of vasectomies.


"I would love to hear from anyone who has had the procedure reversed to learn if that remedied the issue with decreased sensation during an orgasm or any other side effects for that matter.  I had a vasectomy early in 2009 and my sex drive and the intensity of my orgasm both took a hit.  I know the standard response is "it's in your head" and if I had concerns going in I might agree, but that was simply not the case.  I realized and was made aware of potential post vasectomy pain and was willing to role the dice on that one, but I never heard of any potential side effects involving the potential decrease in intensity of an orgasm or sex drive.  Now while it's quite possible the decline in my sex drive has resulted from the decreased sensation/intensity of my orgasms, I put no weight in the argument that my state of mind or some other factor is the root cause of the change in my orgasms.  I'm in my early 30's, physically fit, no physical or sexual  issues prior to the vasectomy, no unusual stress levels, no sexual hangups, etc, etc.  Furthermore, this wasn't a subtle change that took place; it happened immediately after my surgery and has not improved in over a years time since then.  The problem I'm experiencing is similar to many other posts I've read here, where you *** but the intensity of the climax is no longer there; it's simply "off".  While I hate the thought of having to return to condoms, I'm seriously considering a reversal if that could return things to how they were, or at least closer to it.  So, if anyone out there has experienced the same type of problems (clearly many have) and have already had the procedure reversed, I'd be extremely interested and grateful to hear about whether it was a success or not.  Thanks."


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by richardhoy728, May 04, 2010
Let's face it: vasectomy is such an attractive option for men because it completely eliminates the hassle involved with contraceptives.
But considering the consequences involved with getting a vasectomy, many are driven to ask the question: Are there other male birth control methods out there besides vasectomies and condoms?

Research is ongoing, but presently, there are no real legitimate alternatives.

Thus, many couples depend on female birth control methods. Unfortunately, most involve reliance on chemical prescription drugs that alter the natural hormonal balance of the female body.


http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/vasectomy-alternatives.html

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by koolah, Sep 28, 2010
Thank you for the info. I am a writer for a pharmaceutical company and these information is very much useful in my line of work.

Men have menopause

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by Learningdaily, Dec 06, 2011
Please inform folks about Natural Family Planning.  It's the opposite of what couples do to conceive.  There are different methods and now fertility monitors and fancy themometers to help.  The Fertility Awareness Method recommends use of condoms during the fertile time, where NFP promotes abstinence and other forms of non-orgasmic bonding during the fertile time.  Our bodies do not need artificial hormones or potentially harmful surgeries.  My husband reversed his vas and his symptoms improved and we added to our family.

Still waiting for the announcement that oral contraceptives and abortions significantly increase female cancers ( in the US).

Thank you for your expertise!

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