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Bad breath, bad taste and smell coming from inside the nose.

Mar 23, 2009 - 50 comments

Mine is  little different because where ever I am at this smell stays in, my room , at work  and in my car.. and the smell changes all the time it depends what I eat. I also get thursty If I dont drink water. I start to get a dry throat and mouth... If i drink anything else that is not water my breath gets worse.. please help!

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by MedicalMom900, Apr 06, 2009
what types of things have you done to relieve this problem? Do you have any bowel trouble? How is your diet? Do you suffer from sinisitis?

contact me... medhelp id  medicalmom900

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by mytoto24, Apr 07, 2009
Hi , Thanks for helping me. I've tried sinus flush nose rinse,nose sprays..I've gone to the doctor and they cant ever find anything wrong. I been like this for 4 to5 years and its gotten worse..im bout to quit my job I see people dont want to get near me at all but Im also affraid to ask people If i smell bad I also tried the dentist and my gums are fine..i really thing it has something to do with my stomach .. but everytime I go to the doctor  they check my blood and it comes out fine.  if I eat I'll smell something an hour after i have eatn...I've heard erythromycin is for all those type of bacterias in our  system I also mentioned something to my doctor about that but .. but she boubts it that ,she says she cant smell a thing  or any bad odor . but It happens when im at work or stressed running around because thats when I start breathing harder......    I read your comments and hopefully it my be something that can help me figure out what it is that i have ......thx

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by MeToo2008, Apr 26, 2009
Hi Mytoto24 I just now read your comments above and I have the same symptoms. I've always had seasonal allergy problems, but this started about 4-5 years ago coincidentally and it is gets worse instantly after I eat sometimes depending on what I eat.  I mentioned erythromycin to my doctor, but she said she doubted that it would work and she told me she couldn't smell anything and after every checkup everything appears to be normal, but it isn't.  No disrespect intended towards my doctor, but I think she only knows how to diagnose this based on what she's experienced and it appears she is at a loss for an explanation as well.  I feel the same way at work, like my coworkers can smell it and sometimes when I'm really stressed I can smell it. I know it's not a hygiene problem because I smell it sometimes after a shower. I have air freshners at my desk but it often overpowers those. I don't know what to do, but I will continue searching for a resolution. I am about to alter my eating habits to consume more raw fruits/vegetables with less processed food and keep a journal to document when the smell occurs.  I'm noticing a consistent pattern after consuming milk products. I will keep in touch and please let me know if you find out more information.  

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by mytoto24, Apr 26, 2009
I heard someboby say that probiotics are good for this kind of problems that it could be candida symptoms Do you know whats probiotics are?? he also said  that we should not eat red meats eggs or anytype of dairy products thats how we get bacteria I did try erythromicyn but i had to stop taking it , it was making sick.. But i guess fruits and raw vesgetables are great start i'll send you this guys letter so you can read it  thanks for replying..oh and Im taking this Its a seven day tratment .. but I'll let you know if it works I been on it 3 days now but i
still dont feel a change .. Its called Sonne's 7 day treatment in case you want to check out the web..

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by social_leper, May 24, 2009
I have the same issue and am desperately looking for help. I feel like a social leper.  I have done all kinds of things. I have had my tonsils and uvula removed. I have flused out my nostrils at nausium. I have chewed gum, gargled with thera breath, Listerine, peroxide and alcohol. I have poured peroxide, mouth wash, water and even alcohol in my nose.  My doctor tells me nothing is wrong, but I know it is because my nose smells like there are feces extracts in it. I have gone to a dentist so that she can tell me my problem is not dental. What can be done? I am at a point where I contemplate pouring bleach in my nose, but that probably will not work either.  HELP this has been going on for years and I do not know what to do.

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by Tsehay, Jun 23, 2009
I am a waitress and My problems gets worse when I move around and i don't know what to do about it.Like everyone here that posted i spent so much money on doctors hoping they will fix my problems ,but no not at all. My doctor told me he doesn't smell anything. I panic everyday when i go to work knowing that people don't want to close to me .they rub their nose ,cough , sneeze, and make ugly faces when i try to take their order....but I can't help it....I want to quit my job but thats the only way i can help my self and my family....and it's really a good job...i usually leave early from my job cuz i can't take it any more. My coworkers make little comments like some one didn't take shower or clean their teeth or it stinks or i smell like a crab cakes....and so on ....I willing to spend money on this to fix my problems....i don't care how much.....I still have my job because i am very beautiful and sometimes they compare me to Helly berry....but i feel  ugly and inside !!!!!!!!!!!!please help me please.......I am going insane.............Tsehayz@hotmail.com e-mail me please

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by mytoto24, Jun 28, 2009
um dont give up.. I know its hard but .. you really got to get in the computer and read alot of peoples comments everyone has different smells alot of people has this because of allergies some other people have Halitossis dry mouth Im going to send you what Ive been taking I couldnt take it anymore so I only work one day a week I know how u feel ...



"How I cured my fecal bad breath odor, you..."



It might help!



Background – Fecal BB, started in highschool. Now, 22 in last yr of College. Been suffering for about 7 yrs. Took a lot of antibiotics during preteen and teen yrs . I believe this is what impaired my immune and digestive system. Was treated for Hpylori and Acid Reflux in late teens but didn’t help with Fecal BB.

Feel your pain – I have experienced the same things you are. My Fecal BB could fill up a room. The who farted comments, the it smells like shit, people opening windows, covering noses etc. I however never had Nasal BB or Body odor, it was only Fecal BB when I talked. I have pretty much spent the last years of my life not talking to people other than family. School has been very tough but I’m proud of myself for hanging in there.

Nothing helped- I have tried it all- Threelac, Therabreath, Tri oral, Cholorphyll, etc You name it – I have tried it. My room is like a mini pharmacy. I have been treated for acid reflux, hpylori, and nothing helped.

Other symptoms – Constant bloating and cramps, IBS – constipation, Heartburn, bad skin, heart burn, white tongue etc. Chronic infections – Would always get a sore throat and painful ear ache whenever I binged on sugary/junk foods.

Breakthrough - I decided a few months ago that I would try EXTREMELY hard to cure this problem for once and for all, and do whatever it takes. I spent hours each day doing research. Learning as much as possible, reading all the success stories. A major breakthrough was realizing that even though it was chronic, it was much worse at certain times than others. Which got me thinking hard and realizing that the times it was worse was when I had eaten Red Meat, Dairy, Eggs or Beans. This was a major Breakthrough and eliminating these foods have been key, as well as doing other things. Towards the beginning of my diet, I also eliminated Fish and Chicken but I have added them back recently and still no Fecal BB.

Candida? - I was starting to doubt that Candida was a real problem because nothing I took for it worked and the diet seemed impossible. Then I remembered reading that someone cured their odor by taking a really large dosage of probiotics. They experienced die off symptoms and their odor went away. This person had fecal BO, not BB. But I decided to try it too, I took triple the dosage of a good probiotic and boy oh boy did I experience die off symtoms. It felt like a really bad hangover, Bad headache/dizziness but it went away after a few days and I have had such a different/cleaner taste in my mouth since then. I am now a believer in Candida/yeast overgrowth.

Steps to Take –

1) STOP Right away Right now – ALL Dairy, Red Meat, Egg and Beans (As well as any high sulfur/ smelly foods)

2) If Candida/yeast is a problem – Stop All sugars, junk and Alcohol.

3) Probiotics – Find a good probiotic, and take double or triple the dosage. Use what you feel is effective for you. Our digestive systems are in much worse conditions than others so our bodies require more. Remember the BB is a symptom.

4) Constipation – Work towards becoming more regular. You want to have at least 1 bowel movement a day. Taking blended flaxseed with some fruit and drinking lots of water has helped in keeping me regular. Plus it is important to regularly flush out all the toxins in your body.

5) Supplements – Take Calcium/Magnesium, Zinc, B Complex, Niacin, Double dosage of Vitamin C, and Biotin is said to help with Candida.

6) Digestive Enzymes – are a must. We need help with digesting foods so it’s a good idea to take this with every meal.

7) Antifungal – If Candida/yeast is a problem take a form of antifungal in either Grape Seed Extract, Garlic, Pau d’ Arco etc. I personally drink the Pau d’Arco tea.

Now I’m Fecal BB Free, I’m able to talk to people, make new friends, going out. The people who used to cover their noses now get in my face with zero reactions. It’s SURREAL.

Conclusion – My conclusion is our digestive system is significantly impaired and is the main cause of the Fecal BB. While I do not know exactly how or why it causes this problem in some people, I do believe that resolving the problems by putting back Good bacteria, killing yeast overgrowth, using digestive enzymes and regularizing bowel moments will help cure this problem.

I didn’t want to believe Candida was a real problem either but I now do. But I noticed I ALWAYS suffered from sore throats and ear infections within 24 hour of binging on junk foods. The constant bloating and cramping has now 100% stopped. I even binged on some junk foods a few days ago and I experienced zero discomfort. Please let me know if you have any questions. There is hope out there for every single one of us. Keep believing and know that God is ALWAYS faithful. I cry and hurt sometimes thinking about all the lost years, never going to prom, etc but I’m just VERY grateful to have my life back and to start LIVING life.






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by Tammywammy66, Jul 30, 2009
Hello all,
I have some good news,well it may be good news. I have candida and i have had it a month now and I too have the smell in my nose and I taste the same thing I smell. I have been on the antifungal diflucan and the candida is going away but the smell is still there faintly but still there not all the time but my sense of smell and taste are both off due to candida.Please do the self test for candida and rid yourself of these horrible yeast.
Tammy

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by mytoto24, Jul 31, 2009
I am positive..And I've had it for several years now .. who gave you antigungal diflucan?? was it ur doctor? maybe I need to see a diffrent  doctor because this one says Im fine when I know thers somthing wrong! thx for the info =)  let me know how and what you are taking maybe I can let my doctor know what it might be ...Im in a diet but It gats hard sometimes and I eat what im no suppost to then the smell comes back ...=(

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by Dtrey, Aug 06, 2009
Hi everyone,
I have been reading these forums for a couple months and this is the first time I've posted anything. I am 26 years old and I  first noticed an embarrasing odor about 2 years ago. At first I noticed it when I sweat profusely. I am 6-4 180lbs and basketball was the luv of my life. Whenever I was stressed I would play basketball as a release. But ever since this bo problem I rarely play anymore, and it kills me. I quit my last job because I was so embarrased by the bo. I dont know what to do. I have been doing a lot of research on candida and judging from the symptoms and causes I think i definitely have it. I also took the spit test which was positive. I've tried to adhere to the candida diet but it is so hard. I've tried many products and nothing has worked. I'm suffer from  fatigue, memory loss, deppression.....................the whole nine. I have been depressed in the past due to dental problems, so I don't know if the depresssion is causing these other symptoms or if the candida is causing them. It really sucks! I have been contemplating giving up. But seeing that others are going through the same thing that I am is very reassuring. I was reading the post from mytoto24 and you mentioned taking probiotics but tripling the dosage. I thought that was very interesting and I will try it along with maintaining a good diet.
Thanx everyone for your posts, they are very helpful.

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by mytoto24, Aug 11, 2009
I found that letter but I can find the person who wrote it I tried it to but I didnt really try it how it says  so it didnt work but i'd foolow it Im working but not as much as I use to   but I am also doing a 7day treatment that heil a lot you just have to keep the diet you can look it up @ Sonnes .com  Drink lots of water or. wholeapproach.com they have something to similar to Sonnes I know accidophilus helps you can get some @ wholeapproach.com they are stronger than the ones you buy at the store.. so just keep your head up and do what ever it takes to get ridd of this..and also dont forget that gods always here with us it could be worse! ..take care =)

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by sweetmiri, Aug 14, 2009
HIIIII...

     I have this bad taste in my mouth that wont go away, my husband says he cant smell any odor but when I have a bowel movement to smells like the taste in the mouth also..its a putrid smell and my sides ache too..does anyone know what this could be????

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by mytoto24, Aug 14, 2009
I found this letter and this is what I've been doing ..and taking Im not sure what it is and theres so many people with this problem but everyone has different thing going on.. what others symptoms do you have .. is it white tounge, bitter taste, when you lick the back of you hand does the spit smell bad like acid??  lost of gas.. do people sniff a lot when their  around you or cover there nose .. it could be so many thins its hard to tell.. my doctor couldnt smell or find anything wrong with me but I do notice people reactions the smell changes to acid..does it come from your nose too?? I heard something about going to Mayo Clinic .. that they could help you ...it's expensive .. so I haven gone because with this proplem It makes it hard for me to keep working you know...I'll give you some links.....




here's the letter...um dont give up.. I know its hard but .. you really got to get in the computer and read alot of peoples comments everyone has different smells alot of people has this because of allergies some other people have Halitossis dry mouth Im going to send you what Ive been taking I couldnt take it anymore so I only work one day a week I know how u feel ...



"How I cured my fecal bad breath odor, you..."



It might help!



Background – Fecal BB, started in highschool. Now, 22 in last yr of College. Been suffering for about 7 yrs. Took a lot of antibiotics during preteen and teen yrs . I believe this is what impaired my immune and digestive system. Was treated for Hpylori and Acid Reflux in late teens but didn’t help with Fecal BB.

Feel your pain – I have experienced the same things you are. My Fecal BB could fill up a room. The who farted comments, the it smells like shit, people opening windows, covering noses etc. I however never had Nasal BB or Body odor, it was only Fecal BB when I talked. I have pretty much spent the last years of my life not talking to people other than family. School has been very tough but I’m proud of myself for hanging in there.

Nothing helped- I have tried it all- Threelac, Therabreath, Tri oral, Cholorphyll, etc You name it – I have tried it. My room is like a mini pharmacy. I have been treated for acid reflux, hpylori, and nothing helped.

Other symptoms – Constant bloating and cramps, IBS – constipation, Heartburn, bad skin, heart burn, white tongue etc. Chronic infections – Would always get a sore throat and painful ear ache whenever I binged on sugary/junk foods.

Breakthrough - I decided a few months ago that I would try EXTREMELY hard to cure this problem for once and for all, and do whatever it takes. I spent hours each day doing research. Learning as much as possible, reading all the success stories. A major breakthrough was realizing that even though it was chronic, it was much worse at certain times than others. Which got me thinking hard and realizing that the times it was worse was when I had eaten Red Meat, Dairy, Eggs or Beans. This was a major Breakthrough and eliminating these foods have been key, as well as doing other things. Towards the beginning of my diet, I also eliminated Fish and Chicken but I have added them back recently and still no Fecal BB.

Candida? - I was starting to doubt that Candida was a real problem because nothing I took for it worked and the diet seemed impossible. Then I remembered reading that someone cured their odor by taking a really large dosage of probiotics. They experienced die off symptoms and their odor went away. This person had fecal BO, not BB. But I decided to try it too, I took triple the dosage of a good probiotic and boy oh boy did I experience die off symtoms. It felt like a really bad hangover, Bad headache/dizziness but it went away after a few days and I have had such a different/cleaner taste in my mouth since then. I am now a believer in Candida/yeast overgrowth.

Steps to Take –

1) STOP Right away Right now – ALL Dairy, Red Meat, Egg and Beans (As well as any high sulfur/ smelly foods)

2) If Candida/yeast is a problem – Stop All sugars, junk and Alcohol.

3) Probiotics – Find a good probiotic, and take double or triple the dosage. Use what you feel is effective for you. Our digestive systems are in much worse conditions than others so our bodies require more. Remember the BB is a symptom.

4) Constipation – Work towards becoming more regular. You want to have at least 1 bowel movement a day. Taking blended flaxseed with some fruit and drinking lots of water has helped in keeping me regular. Plus it is important to regularly flush out all the toxins in your body.

5) Supplements – Take Calcium/Magnesium, Zinc, B Complex, Niacin, Double dosage of Vitamin C, and Biotin is said to help with Candida.

6) Digestive Enzymes – are a must. We need help with digesting foods so it’s a good idea to take this with every meal.

7) Antifungal – If Candida/yeast is a problem take a form of antifungal in either Grape Seed Extract, Garlic, Pau d’ Arco etc. I personally drink the Pau d’Arco tea.

Now I’m Fecal BB Free, I’m able to talk to people, make new friends, going out. The people who used to cover their noses now get in my face with zero reactions. It’s SURREAL.

Conclusion – My conclusion is our digestive system is significantly impaired and is the main cause of the Fecal BB. While I do not know exactly how or why it causes this problem in some people, I do believe that resolving the problems by putting back Good bacteria, killing yeast overgrowth, using digestive enzymes and regularizing bowel moments will help cure this problem.

I didn’t want to believe Candida was a real problem either but I now do. But I noticed I ALWAYS suffered from sore throats and ear infections within 24 hour of binging on junk foods. The constant bloating and cramping has now 100% stopped. I even binged on some junk foods a few days ago and I experienced zero discomfort. Please let me know if you have any questions. There is hope out there for every single one of us. Keep believing and know that God is ALWAYS faithful. I cry and hurt sometimes thinking about all the lost years, never going to prom, etc but I’m just VERY grateful to have my life back and to start LIVING life.





www.wholeapproach.com









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by mytoto24, Aug 14, 2009
and also this from Friggy




The Flip-Turn Sinus Flush, excerpted from the not-for-sale book "Clear Your Sinuses Forever", by friggy

Great ideas often look identical to stupid ones, right up until the moment they work.
                                                                                    Scott Adams (creator of "Dilbert")

UPDATE:  Kudos to Dr.Ketan Mehta and his wife Nina, who invented and patented the Neilmed Sinus Rinse.  It is a simple and convenient way of doing sinus irrigation, it's available in most drugstores now, it has been proven effective and is now being recommended by doctors for infections of the maxillary and lower ethmoid sinuses.  I wish I'd thought of that.

However, if your sinus problems are in your frontal, sphenoid, or upper ethmoid sinuses, gravity will take over and the Neilmed saline solution won't be able to reach the infection.  That is where The Sinus Flush takes over. It's not convenient and it has its risks, but The Sinus Flush is highly effective in removing any infection from your head.

WARNING!    DISCLAIMER!

The technique in this manual involves bending over in a hot shower.  Obviously, if you bend over in a shower, there is a slight possibility that you can get dizzy and fall down.  You could possibly hit your head, get knocked out, or break something.  It’s a tiny risk, greater if you are older, overweight, obese, or have reduced blood flow in your neck arteries, but it’s a risk you must assume if you want get rid of an otherwise untreatable sinus infection.

There is a possibility that the infection could go into your ear, which happened to me once, but I found a way to avoid it.  You could also accidentally rub infected snot into your eye and get an eye infection, if you are careless.

The physiology of your head may be different from my head and you could experience a problem that I would not have, so it’s another risk you must assume.

Over the last five years I have used the Flip-Turn Sinus Flush to cure a 5-year-long incurable chronic sinus infection, which included an alien-looking gel–covered fungus ball the size of a marble, and the complete loss of taste and smell for a month.  I have cured 5 subsequent bouts of acute sinusitis, 7 out of 11 colds, a mold intrusion, and an infection that smelled like dog-poop-and-Parmesan, and one that smelled like burning ammonia.   I have never had a complete day of nasal congestion since this invention.

This technique will work for almost any infection of the nose, if you‘re willing to take the risk.  If an unfortunate side effect should happen to you, well, I am sorry.  I am not charging you for this, you are not paying me for it, so don’t sue me.  It’s a responsibility that you have to assume.  If you are one of those entitled Americans who expect a risk-free life, with massive compensation should things don’t work out, then don't try this.

So, why is this book manuscript free?  The physician who reviewed it said, “The materials cost less than $5.00, so there’s no income, and if, on the outside chance, a patient falls in the shower, they can sue me.  What doctor’s gonna recommend this?”  He’s right, doctors aren’t stupid—that’s why they’re doctors.  So the Flip-Turn Sinus Flush is now “alternative medicine”.

If you don't wish to take the risk involved, then at least you may wish to try the Dr.Grossan Hydropulse Nasal Irrigation System.  It gently pumps the saline solution into your sinuses, and I don’t know if it pumps saline all the way up into the far reaches of your sinuses, because of gravity, but it follows the same line of treatment expressed here.

There is also a neti pot, which was recently demonstrated by Dr. Oz on the Oprah Winfrey Show.  Many people swear by a neti pot, so it is apparently effective for some colds and some sinus infections. However, a neti pot flush may or may not reach the upper part of the sinuses. At any rate, thanks to the Oprah Show, they are now widely available on the internet.

BUT, before you try anything here, you should go to a doctor and have your problem checked out.  You may have a problem that looks like a sinus infection, but is something else.  The medical model works for most people, and if you have a severe sinus infection, it could spread to other parts of your head or body, and it would be a good idea to be on antibiotics.

The Flip-Turn Sinus Flush is intended for anyone who has not been cured by antibiotics or other means, and who may be facing sinus surgery to remove a bacterial or fungal infection of the sinuses, and are young or fit enough to dare to do the procedure.

Part I explains why the technique works, Part II tells you how to do it, Part III tells you how to prevent sinus problems.

Good luck, and breathe free!


INTRODUCTION

     Oftentimes antibiotics do not work for chronic sinusitis.  The reason is simple: antibiotics are delivered to the site of infection by the bloodstream.  There is some blood flow in the sinuses, but for many people it’s not sufficient to deliver enough of the drug to kill the large number of bacteria in the infected sinuses.
     You may also have learned that saline irrigation works a little bit to relieve your sinusitis, but not enough.  The reason for this is even simpler: gravity.   Gravity will pull the salt water out of your nose before it can wash out the infected mucus in the upper part of your sinuses.
     A study released a few years ago by the Mayo Clinic revealed the surprising discovery that if the cause of sinusitis is the toxins from the infected mucus in your sinuses, and that if you remove the infected snot, the problem will go away.  More on that, later.
     There’s two ways to remove infected snot from your sinuses, if long-term antibiotics do not work. The medical way is with surgery—stick an endoscope up your nostril and suck enough of it out to end the infection.  This usually works, but it sometimes causes complications, or scarring, and the infection often returns.
     The other way to get rid of sinus problem is to make your head an inhospitable place for a virus, bacteria, mold, or fungus to exist.  The superior way to make germs leave the warmth and comfort of your nose and sinuses is with saline solution, also known as salt water.  Saline is easy to make, but hard to administer.  As I mentioned, without the proper procedure, saline irrigation doesn’t always work well.
     This guide will show you a simple and extremely effective way to get the saline solution where it needs to go, and get rid of your sinus problem.  You will also learn some ways to prevent these problems before they get settled in your head and make you miserable.
     I am not a doctor, but my father was an honored and highly respected family physician.  He was the one that told me that all the antibiotics, anti-histamines, corticosteroids, and nasal sprays that my top-notch local HMO doctor was treating me with might not work, because he’d seen them fail in many patients.   The medical model of treating most diseases doesn’t always succeed with sinusitis, and he recommended saline solution for some relief.
     It worked a little, but not enough saline would reach the upper part of my sinuses.  Then I remembered, from being on a swim team, that when you botch a flip-turn, massive amounts of water would get in your sinuses, which was uncomfortable, but caused no damage. It also drained every bit of snot out of your nose.   The Flip-Turn Sinus Flush mimics this process.  Plenty of saline drains into every nook and cranny of your sinuses, and when you stand straight up, it drains out with most of the infected snot and pus.  During the first treatment, you will see.  After several treatments, your sinuses will resume their normal function, and you will be able to breathe freely through your nose.

      If you want to know what causes sinusitis, and why the saline solution works, read on.  If you are sick, and you don’t feel like reading much, and just want to start getting rid of the slimy clog in your head, you’ll be tempted to go directly to Part II of this book, which shows how to do it.  PLEASE READ THE WARNINGS IN SECTION #11 (BEFORE YOU BEGIN). If you don’t, you can possibly cause a more extensive infection.


PART I

1.  WHERE THE PROBLEM BEGINS

     You’ve got holes in your head.  The sinuses are hollow spaces in the bones of your face.  They help you breathe, by making the air warm and moist.  They help you smell, by letting odors and fragrances waft up to your olfactory nerves, which transmit the smells to your brain.  If you are using your voice correctly, you can feel your sinuses vibrate with sound.
     The sinuses make your head lighter, because solid bone would weigh too much, and your neck would be sore all the time. The sinuses make mucus, which moisturizes your nasal passages, and cleans them, too, leaving a neat package of rubbish in your nose—boogers.
     Inside the sinuses are tiny little moving hairs, called cilia, which move the mucus out of the sinuses into the nose, to make boogers, or into your throat, where it is swallowed, usually without you noticing it.  There are millions of cilia in your nose, and they each beat 16 times per second, acting like miniature oars to push the waste out of your nose.
     Each sinus has an opening, called an ostium, into the nose, which lets air and mucus in and out, and each sinus is connected to the nasal passages with a continuous mucus membrane lining.  Sinusitis is the inflammation of these linings, which cause them to swell up and block the ostia.  The ostia are only about 3 millimeters in diameter, which is about as big as this letter “O”, so it doesn’t take much to block each hole.
     When the ostia become blocked, mucus can get backed up in your sinuses, and air can be trapped inside.  This causes pressure in the sinuses, which leads to face pain or headache.  Sometimes, the oxygen in the blocked sinuses is absorbed by the blood vessels of the mucus membrane.  This creates a vacuum inside the sinus, which causes pressure from the outside, and of course, pain.
Doctors use three ways to classify sinus problems:
• Acute: a severe attack which lasts less than 3 weeks
• Chronic: sinusitis which lasts for 3 to 8 weeks, or longer, sometimes for months and even years.
• Recurrent: several attacks of acute sinusitis in one year.



2. WHAT CAUSES SINUSITIS?

     Here are some of the other afflictions that can cause the sinuses and connecting holes and passageways to get clogged:
• An infection by a bacteria or virus of your respiratory system, which includes your lungs, throat, nose, and nasal passages.  It’s usually caused by a cold, which inflames your membranes, makes them thicker, and makes the mucus thicker, which blocks your sinuses and creates an ideal condition for bacteria to grow. Then white blood cells come to attack the bacteria, and the battle further swells and congests the nasal passages.  The discharge that comes out of your nose is usually yellowish or greenish.  Doctors refer to it as purulent nasal discharge.  It’s this nasty mess that is the problem we are going to deal with in this book.
• Your sinuses may react to an allergen, such as pet dander, dust, dust mites, pollen, or any other tiny particle you are allergic to, and your immune system will attack it and cause your nasal membranes to swell up and block your sinuses.  In the case of pollen, it could be seasonable.  A food allergy can also cause this condition.  The discharge that results from this is usually clear or whitish.
• A fungus, including mold, can settle in the nose and cause chronic sinusitis.  The name of this specific reaction is called “allergic fungal sinusitis”.  Researchers at the Mayo clinic found that 96% of chronic sinusitis sufferers had a fungus in the nose.
• Nasal polyps can grow inside your nose from years of allergic reactions or infections.  These growths can get as big as your fingertip, and block your nasal passages and sinus openings. Polyps may possibly be related to chronic allergic fungal sinusitis, but doctors aren’t exactly sure what causes them.  Polyps can be removed by surgery, and the air passages will be opened considerably.  A recent study suggests that the prescription drug Nasonex may shrink the polyps.
• A defect or injury in the cartilage of the nose, called a deviated septum, can cause chronic blockage in the nasal area.  This may be corrected by surgery.
• Other irritants can inflame the nasal passages, such as air pollution, cigarette smoke, cigar smoke, and perfumes made from synthetic ingredients.  Once again, see your doctor, or avoid the irritants.
• Asthma is an immune disease, and asthma sufferers are highly susceptible to sinusitis.  About 3 out of 4 people with asthma also have chronic sinusitis.  There is evidence that some asthma and the chronic sinusitis associated with it is caused by Chlamydia or mycoplasma bacteria.  The mycoplasma is difficult to detect with the standard tests.  Your doctor would have to request a special test to find it.  There is also a strong possibility that asthma is a chronic reaction to a fungus that has taken up residence in the lungs, in the same manner that a fungus can cause sinusitis.
  
     This book is going to concentrate on acute and chronic sinusitis caused by cold viruses and other viruses which lead to bacterial infections in the sinuses and nasal passages.  With the methods I will show you, the yellow and green purulence, which we better know as snot, will be removed from your nasal passages.  When the infected snot is removed from your head, the cold viruses, bacteria, and perhaps the fungi will not have a comfortable environment to thrive, multiply, and release the poisons which inflame and destroy the otherwise healthy red mucus membranes in your nose and sinuses.
     Doctors have difficulty treating sinusitis caused by fungi.  They can give you an antifungal medicine, but there is no definite proof that it can cure the sinusitis. Some researchers are looking for an anti-fungal nasal spray at this time.
     This book will show you how to flush out the fungus or mold when it first appears, which will prevent chronic sinusitis. The technique has not been tested on chronic fungus infections, although I had great success against one.  It certainly does work in the early stage of exposure to a mold or fungus, for the same reason that it works against bacterial infection—if you flush out the toxin, you may flush out the problem in your sinuses.
     If you have one of the other forms of sinusitis, your doctor can take an x-ray of your head, and the infection may show up as an opaque area on the x-ray.  Of course, you don’t really want to get an x-ray of your head unless you really have to, so it’s better to get a CAT scan of your sinuses, which is the more accurate way to diagnose the specific form of sinusitis that you are suffering from.  
     Sometimes, however, you can have a sinus infection that won’t show up on a CAT scan of your sinuses.  In this case, you will have drainage into your throat, called post-nasal drip, and your throat often have too much mucus in it, which can cause a mild sore throat or cough on a chronic basis.



3. WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS?

     The main symptom of sinusitis is pain.  Pain in your face, pain in your head.  The pain is caused by the pressure of mucus and pus and air trapped in your clogged sinuses, or pain caused air pressing on the outside of your sinuses, a result of a vacuum inside a clogged sinus or sinuses.  On the following pages are illustrations of each of your sinuses, and the pain that is caused by their affliction.

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NOTE:  Go to Google Images and type in "sinus" if you want to see a picture of all the sinuse

These are your frontal sinuses.  You may have pain in your forehead when you touch it, if they are infected.

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These are your maxillary sinuses.  They can hold about two tablespoons of mucus.  If these are infected, you may have pain in your upper jaw, your teeth may ache, and your cheeks may have pain when you touch them.
     Note:  One of the causes of maxillary sinusitis is a tooth abscess that has leaked the infection into the maxillary sinus.  The teeth may be X-rayed to find this.

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These are the ethmoid sinuses.  If infection occurs, you may get puffy eyes and pain between them.  The sides of your nose may get tender to the touch, your nose may get stuffy, and you won’t be able to smell so well.  You may also get a splitting headache, felt most intensely in the forehead.

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Lastly, here are your sphenoid sinuses.  If they get inflamed, you may feel an earache, a pain in the neck, and an ache in the top of your head.

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     Most of the time, though, you are just going to feel a general pain everywhere in your head, especially when you awaken in the morning.

Other symptoms may include:
• A runny nose.  This is called rhinitis.
• Nasal congestion
• Fever
• General weakness
• Fatigue
• Malaise
• A cough caused by infected mucus draining into your throat and irritating your throat.  It gets more severe at night, because it can’t drain while you are lying down.
• The mucus draining from the back of your nasal passages into your throat, or post-nasal drip, can also cause a sore throat.
• An odd smell that won’t go away—an odor like a mix of dog-poop and old Parmesan cheese.

You may have some or all of these symptoms, and if you have some of these symptoms, it doesn’t necessarily mean you have sinusitis.  
     You may also have fever with chills, which usually indicates that the infection has gone outside of the sinuses to somewhere else in your head or body.



4.  THE USUAL TREATMENTS FOR ACUTE SINUSITIS

If you get an attack of acute sinusitis, a doctor may recommend the following:
• A decongestant to help reduce stuffiness and congestion
• Antibiotics, if a bacterial infection is indicated
• A painkiller to relieve any pain or tenderness in your face or head.

     Antibiotics are usually prescribed if you have yellow or green nasal discharge from one side of the nose, or both sides of the face, localized pain on one side of the face, or evidence of pus inside the nose.  Doctors rarely take a sample of pus from your nose and actually test it, in order to determine if it is a bacterial or viral infection.
     However, it’s a safe bet that a bacterial infection is present, because most of us already have bacterial in our upper respiratory tract.  These bacteria, such as haemophilus influenzae and streptococcus pneumonae, don’t cause a problem when you are healthy, but after a cold virus infection clogs your nasal passages and weakens your body’s immune system, these germs are able to multiply and thrive.
     Doctors usually prescribe antibiotics for 10 to 12 days in cases of acute sinusitis. Whether or not the short-term use of antibiotics actually works against sinus infection is still open to debate.  The sinuses are holes in the bones of the face, and bones don’t have much blood going through them, and the blood circulation through the mucus membranes in the sinuses is not great, so it’s extremely difficult for antibiotics, which travel though the bloodstream, to reach the sinuses to fight the bacteria.
     A study published in the Journal of Family Practice in February of 2005 showed that there was no difference between the patients who received an antibiotic and the patients who received a placebo.  That’s just one study, but it does cast doubt on the effectiveness of short-term antibiotic treatment for mild acute sinusitis.   Taking antibiotics also increases the chance that you can develop a drug-resistance strain of bacteria living in your upper respiratory tract.  Lately, many ear-nose-and-throat doctors have spoken out against the use of antibiotics for mild acute sinusitis, claiming they are useless and contribute to the development of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria.
     On the other hand, antibiotics may prevent the infection from spreading to other, more dangerous parts of the head or body, in certain cases.
     At any rate, this can be said for taking antibiotics, or any other treatment  that people use for a cold or acute sinusitis—many times the body fights off the infection anyway, and whatever medicine or treatment that people are taking or doing when the infection clears up is going to get the credit.
     Your doctor may prescribe a corticosteroid nasal spray to help reduce your sinus congestion and the swelling and inflammation in your mucus membranes.



5.   THE USUAL TREATMENTS FOR CHRONIC SINUSITIS

     The treatment for chronic sinusitis is similar to that for acute sinusitis, at first.  Doctors may prescribe antibiotics for 10 to 12 days, and if that doesn’t work, as it rarely does, they may prescribe a different antibiotic for anywhere to 4 to 6 weeks, which is often effective.  Sometimes it takes months and even a year of antibiotics to effect a cure.
     Steroid nasal sprays can also be prescribed, but the medical community is unsure of the possible side-effects of long-term use of steroid nasal sprays.
     Antihistamines and decongestants may help relieve some of the symptoms, but just a little bit.  These drugs can also make your problem worse, by making the mucus even thicker in your head.
     If the antibiotics and other treatments aren’t effective, then surgery is sometimes recommended.  Surgeons use an endoscope, which is an instrument that they stick up your nose, to open up the drainage holes in your sinuses and clear out some of the infected pus and tissue.  Surgery provides immediate relief—significant relief—but it often does not provide a permanent cure.  
     What you will learn in this book is how to clear out the infected schmoo in your sinuses, even more effectively than surgery does, without somebody sticking a machine up your nose.



6.  THE COLD

     The common cold is caused by several different viruses, in fact over a hundred of them. They have names like maxilovirus and rhinovirus.  The rhinoviruses are the cause of more than half of the colds that people get.
     Colds mostly start in the nose, but they can also thrive in the lungs, the ears, and the sinuses, leading to sinusitis.
     A cold usually lasts for a week, sometimes two weeks, or more for some nasty strains, or if your immune system handles it well, only 2 or 3 days.  A cold makes you sneeze, makes your nose run, stuffs up your nose, makes your throat rough or sore or hoarse, and you can get mild chills or fever, and you might get a headache, and you might just feel funky and tired and sick.
    Sometimes, a cold won’t cause any symptoms at all, and it will clear up in the same amount of time.
     A cold starts when a virus gets into your nose.  Your nose actually helps the virus get to the back of nose, to where it can infect a nasal cell. The virus latches onto a receptor, called an ICAM-1, on the nasal cell, which plugs into the virus and draws it into the healthy cell.  Once inside, the cold virus infects the cell and makes multiple copies of itself.  Then the infected cell dies and explodes, releasing all the new cold viruses into the tissue and mucus inside the nose, and spreads to other cells in the nose.  This takes about 8 to 12 hours for this cycle to happen.  About 10 to 12 hours after this, cold symptoms begin to appear.  About 12 hours after that, the cold symptoms may seem their worst, although it may take longer for the symptoms to reach their peak.
     Cold viruses don’t attack very many cells in the mucus membrane, so damage to the membrane is minimal.  The symptoms are due to the body reacting against the infection.
The immune system releases many substances, such as prostaglandins and histamines, which makes the blood vessels get bigger and begin to leak, and makes the mucus glands begin working overtime, in order to flush out the viruses.  These substances also make you cough and sneeze in order to expel the viruses, which helps you get rid of them, and also helps the virus to spread to other humans.
    This manual shows you how to use saline solution to help get rid of the cold viruses, the toxins from the infected and ruptured nasal cells, the bacteria that take advantage of the viral infection to cause their own infection, and most of the substances that the body releases to inflame and swell up your sinus and nasal tissues, which often leads to sinusitis.  Once you get rid of this toxic schmoo, your nose and sinuses and throat will quickly recover.



7.  THINKING OUTSIDE THE TISSUE BOX

     About a year after I developed the technique put forth in this book, the Mayo Clinic of Rochester, Minnesota released a study, led by Dr. Jens Ponikau and Dr. David Sheriss, which explains why it works.
     Until the study, it was believed in the medical community that chronic sinus infection was caused by the bacterial infection that set into the nasal tissues after they had been inflamed by viral infections.  It was believed that toxic proteins were released by the infected cells into the surrounding tissues of the nose and sinuses.  Doctors have therefore targeted their treatment to curing the surrounding tissues, with various prescription drugs and antibiotics.  This is common sense, because that is what works with most infections.
     What the Mayo Clinic study discovered is that in a chronic sinus infection, the white blood cells, called eosinophils, respond to an infection by getting together in the nasal mucus and the sinus mucus, and they release a toxic protein, called major basic protein, into the mucus.  It’s the poison inside the mucus, which we see as greenish or yellowish snot, which damages the nasal and sinus membranes.
    The study suggests that surgeons focus on removing the infected mucus during nasal surgery to prevent the disease from coming back.
     So there you have it—get rid of the infected mucus, with the toxic major basic protein, and it will stop damaging the mucus membranes in the nasal passages and sinuses, and the bacteria will stop infecting the damaged tissue.  
    What’s the best and safest way to flush out this infected mucus?  It is saline solution—salt water—which you will make yourself, and administer to yourself in the most effective manner, and soon you will be breathing free, with sinuses as clear as you can remember.  Perhaps, you may be smelling things that you haven’t smelled for quite some time. They may be fragrances that you miss, and some of them may be dreadful funks you wish you’d never experienced.  If this technique does not work, then at least you can narrow down the real cause of your sinus problem.



PART II

8.  MAKING YOUR OWN SALINE SOLUTION

     Saline solution is just another term for salt water.  You can buy a bottle of saline solution in a drugstore, and that would work just fine.  However, the store-bought saline solution will contain a preservative, to keep things from growing in the water, and some people will find the preservative to be irritating to their mucus membranes.  Store-bought saline is also expensive, and the quantities required will make you hesitant.
     It’s cheap and easy to make your own saline, a gallon at a time.  Buy a one-gallon plastic bottle of distilled or osmosis-purified water.  I always buy distilled, because the water has been boiled.  The water usually has an expiration date.
     Don’t buy a regular bottle of regular drinking water or spring water.  This water contains more contaminants than you think—not enough to make you sick if you drink it, but you don’t want to add them to the other germs you are working to get out of your sinuses.
     Buy some table salt without iodine.  Iodine is an irritant to some people.  Sea salt is okay, as long as it has the same size grains as table salt.  Pickling and canning salt is the very best, because it doesn’t have any additives (calcium silicate) to keep the salt grains from sticking together.  Avoid kosher salt, because the anti-caking agent may cause a strong burning sensation in your nose.
     The best saline solution has the ratio 2 grams salt for 98 milliliters of water.  This is about 78 grams of salt to the gallon.  Do the math, and make it practical, it works out to be 10 teaspoons of salt poured into one gallon of distilled water.  Shake it up.
    
     Now you have plenty of saline solution, enough to get rid of the toxic schmoo in your nasals and sinuses.  If you are concerned about germs growing in your gallon of salt water, then make a new batch every month, or every time you feel a cold coming on.



9.  THE POWER OF SALT

     Why does salt water work?  Simply put, germs need water, and salt takes the water away from the germs.  
     There are two kinds of saline solution.   Isotonic solution has the same concentration of salt as the human body.  Hypertonic solution is saltier than the water in the human body.
     Infected and inflamed secretions, like the ones in your sinuses when you have sinus infections and colds, are excessively sticky.   Allergies make your secretions sticky, and people over forty have stickier secretions.  That’s why Old Men have a stereotype of being phlegmy.   Hypertonic solutions thin the sticky secretions and make them easier to wash out of your sinuses.
     Hypertonic solutions shrink swollen tissues by drawing out the excess moisture.   When the swollen tissues shrink, the openings of the sinuses (the ostia) get bigger, and all the infected pus and snot can drain better.
     Hypertonic solutions wash out particles of pollution, fungus, and mold, so that your body won’t have an allergic reaction to them.
     Finally, hypertonic solution soothes infected or irritated tissue, helps it heal, and helps the cilia in your nasal membranes function better.  It’s safe for people of all ages, even children.



10.  THE SQUIRT BOTTLE

          You aren’t going to squirt the saline up your nose, but rather pour it in slowly; it helps to have the right applicator.  The best is a 4-ounce plastic travel bottle with a spout that folds open and shut.  You may or may not find them in a local outdoors store, or a luggage store, and you can definitely find them at R.E.I., online if you have to, or at a Container Store, if you have one where you live.  You may possibly find a 3 oz. bottle, which is fine, in the travel-size section of a drugstore or department store. They are becoming easier to find, because these bottles are what you have to put liquids in when you fly on an airplane.
     If you can’t find one anywhere, then you can just use any plastic bottle with a spout that squirts, like a Rubbermaid picnic bottle or a kitchen squeeze bottle.
     The best, once again, is a small travel squeeze bottle, which is listed as a 4 oz. bottle, but actually holds about 5 oz. or about 140 milliliters.  Fill it up from the gallon of saline solution.  Keep the small bottle in your shower, but store the gallon bottle somewhere else.

NOTE:  The Neilmed Sinus Rinse bottle can be used for this.


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11.  WARNINGS: DON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU READ THESE

     The same pustulence that causes your sinuses to be infected can also get into other
places in your head.  Heed these warnings and it won’t.

     WHENEVER YOU BLOW SNOT AND PHLEGM AND PUS OUT OF YOUR NOSE, ALWAYS BLOW IT OUT ONE NOSTRIL ONLY.  Press the other nostril closed with your finger.  IF YOU DO OTHERWISE, YOU CAN BLOW THE INFECTION INTO YOUR EARS OR THE PART OF YOUR NOSE WHERE YOUR SENSE OF SMELL IS.

     NEVER BLOW YOUR NOSE AS HARD AS YOU CAN.  THIS CAN BLOW THE INFECTION INTO YOUR EARS OR THE PART OF YOUR NOSE WHERE YOUR SENSE OF SMELL IS.  Blow very very very gently.  Let the gravity do the work of removing the saline and infected mucus.

     DO NOT TURN YOUR HEAD TO THE SIDE WHEN YOU HAVE SALINE SOLUTION IN YOUR NASAL PASSAGES.  Gravity can cause the infection to get into your Eustachian tube and ears..

     DO NOT RUB YOUR EYES IN THE SHOWER AFTER YOU HAVE BLOWN INFECTED MUCUS OUT OF YOUR NOSE.  THIS CAN CAUSE THE INFECTION TO GET IN YOUR EYE.  Use the top of your wrist to wipe the water out of your eyes.

     You are also going to be bending over forward in the shower.  The shower is not a good place to find out that bending over makes you dizzy.  Practice it first before you get in a shower, no matter how young and fit and healthy you assume that you are.  Stand in front of a bed or couch or a carpeted floor.  Slowly bend forward as far as you can comfortably bend, and look between your legs at the crotch.  Slowly stand up erect.  Bend over and stand up again several more times to make sure, before you get in the shower.  If you do get dizzy, see a doctor.  You may have some blockage in your carotid arteries—the ones in your neck that provide blood to your brain.

     Figure out which direction you will be bending over in the shower.  Preferably, it’s the side away from the shower head.  Take everything out of this side of the shower, so that you don’t mistakenly grab it and fall down.

     If the thought of falling in the shower bothers you, you can also perform this technique standing on a towel next to the running hot shower or other source of running water, and wash the towel after you create a mess.  In fact, hot running water is not essential to this technique—but the steam provided by the hot water helps loosen the phlegm and pustulence in your sinuses.




12.  THE FLIP-TURN SINUS FLUSH

     Saline solution works best when it is warm.  Place the filled squeeze bottle in a cup or glass of hot tap water before you get in the shower.  It is not necessary, just slightly more comfortable.  Don’t submerge the top of the squeeze bottle in the hot tap water, because water from your hot water heater has things you don’t want to know about.  When the bottle is warm, put it in your shower.
     Turn on your shower as hot as is comfortable and jump in.  The heat and the steam will loosen the mucus in your nose and nasal cavity.  After a minute or so in the shower, press your right nostril closed with your right index finger, and very, very, very gently and slowly blow out the open left nostril, into your hands.  Rinse the hands off, then close the left nostril with your left finger and blow out the open right nostril.  Wash off your hands with soap.

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     Years ago when I worked at a TV station, I had a friend named Lynette, a pretty young girl with a punky haircut.   She was also the first person I met who was a practitioner of yoga.  For her yoga class, Lynette was required to be filmed doing her yoga positions, and I was, of course, the videographer.  She mentioned something that stuck with me, about breathing.  According to the principles of yoga, one nostril of your nose is always open, and the other one is constricted.  The nose then switches, so the other nostril opens up, and the open side closes.
     Medical science tells us the same thing, that the blood vessels on one side of the nose swell up with blood, on purpose, to close off that side of the nose to air.  This gives the cilia in the closed nostril a chance to clean out all the pollution and mucus.  When it’s clean, it opens up and the other side is closed to repeat the process.  The things that swell up to close your nostrils are called turbinates.
     Keep this in mind when you are blowing your nose.  One side will always seem more congested than the other, even if it’s clean.

     Step One: Spread your feet so they are about 2 feet apart, for better stability in the shower.  Stand so that the water stream is hitting you on the butt, so that when you bend over, water doesn’t flow down to your face.  Take the squeeze bottle, tilt your head back slowly, and squeeze as much saline solution as you can into each nostril.  TILT YOUR HEAD BACK VERY SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CAN EXPERIENCE NECK PROBLEMS IF THEY TILT THEIR HEAD BACK QUICKLY.
      Note:  If the water goes immediately down your throat, say the word “Go”.  Notice how your throat closes off at the beginning of the letter G.  That is how you close off your throat when you are filling your nostrils.    
      After you have filled both of your nostrils, pinch them shut.  Set down the squeeze bottle.  Then, very slowly bend forward, at the waist, until you can look between your legs at the crotch.  If you have balance problems, use the fingertips of the hand that is not pinching the nose to make a three-point stance, just like a football player makes before the ball is hiked, to be extra safe.
     When you are still bent over, release the hand from your nostrils.  Some water will come out of the nostrils, and some will percolate into your nasal cavity and sinuses.
Stay in this position for 5 to 10 seconds.
    
      DO NOT TURN YOUR HEAD TO EITHER SIDE, OR THE INFECTION COULD GO INTO YOUR EAR CANAL.  There is a low chance of this happening, but it is possible.  An ear infection can be treated with antibiotics.
    
The first few times you do this, it may feel uncomfortable to have saline and water up your nose.  You will probably feel a burning sensation. This is due to the fact that the pH of the hypertonic saline solution is different from the pH of the water in your body.  This will not affect the power or safety of the saline solution, just the comfort level.  The comfort you are looking for is to get rid of sinus problems.  You will get used to the burning sensation, to the point where it doesn’t bother you anymore.  

The burning will not damage your sense of smell.  In fact, it will improve it.  I keep a small bottle of Dr.Bronner’s Peppermint Pure-Castile Soap in the shower.  It’s the soap with the "interesting" blue label that you can find in most health-food stores like Whole Foods.  When I’m sick I can barely smell it, but after a saline flush the smell will be strong enough to give me a jolt.

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     Next, bend halfway up, so that you’re looking straight down, and your face is facing the floor of the shower.  Close the right nostril with your right finger, gently blow out the left nostril.  Open both nostrils, then close the left nostril with the left finger, and blow gently out the open right nostril.

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     Very slowly stand up straight, and wash the snot off of your hands.  DO NOT RUB THE WATER OUT OF YOUR EYES WITH YOUR HANDS, OR YOUR EYES MAY GET INFECTED!  Use the top of one of your wrists to wipe the water out of your eyes.

DO NOT TURN AROUND TO FACE THE SHOWERHEAD, UNTIL YOU HAVE STOOD UP STRAIGHT.  IF YOU TWIST WHILE YOU ARE STANDING UP, IT WILL INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING DIZZY.

     Step Two: Tilt your head back and fill both nostrils with saline solution for the second time.  Pinch your nose, slowly bend all the way down again, release your nostrils, and wait 5-10 seconds.  Slowly stand all the way back up this time.  Close the left nostril and blow out the open right nostril.  Open the left nostril, close the right nostril, and blow gently out the open left nostril.
     Rinse the schmoo off of your hands.  Wash your hands with soap, just to make sure they are clean.

     Step Three: Tilt your head back slowly, and fill both nostrils with saline solution for the third time. Pinch your nose again, bend over all the way so you can look through your legs at the crotch, and release the nostrils.  Wait about 10 seconds, and slowly stand all the way back up straight.  Don’t blow your nose this time.  Let whatever is in your nose and sinuses drain slowly out of your nostrils, while the hot water of the shower falls on your chest.  Put a finger across your top lip if you don’t like the salty water getting in your mouth.
     After about 20 seconds, snort inward, so the mucus goes into your throat, then do some hawking, and spit it out of your mouth.  Repeat once or twice.  Then, close one nostril, and blow out the open nostril as slowly and gently as you can.  Open both nostrils, then close the opposite nostril, and blow out the open nostril as slowly and gently as you can.
     If you still feel congested, you may repeat Step One and Step Two, or you can repeat Step Two twice.  Remember, one of your nostrils will always be closed or partly closed anyway, so don’t expect that you can breathe clearly through both nostrils.

     Be sure to wash your hands thoroughly with soap before you get out of the shower.  Also use soap to wash the outside of the squeeze bottle.

     An examination of the nasty material coming out of your nose may give you an indication of your sinus problem.  If it is thick and yellowish or yellowish-brown, you most likely have a bacterial or viral infection.  If the snot is the usual greenish or clear stuff, your problem may likely be the result of an allergy, or from mold or fungus.  If you have had a chronic infection, a strange alien-looking ball of gel may come out, after which you will experience a dramatic improvement in your breathing.  
     Some blood may come out.  This comes from the damaged tissues in the nose and sinuses.  The best treatment for minor bleeding in the nasal region is saline irrigation, which is what you are already doing.

     Do this procedure at least twice a day, once in the morning when you wake up, and once in the evening before you go to bed.  You may also do it for a third time in the afternoon, or when you come home from work.

     If your sinus infection is in your upper sinuses (sphenoid, frontal, or upper ethmoid) your results may not be as obvious on your first attempt.  Don't give up.

     When you feel that your sinuses have been cleared, continue the procedure twice a day for at least 2 days afterward, to prevent any residual infection from growing back and causing sinus problems again.

     After you have flushed out your sinuses, some saline solution may remain inside your head.  While this is harmless to you, if you bend your head down during the day, a few drops of saline may leak out into the nose, and cause you some unpleasant business.  Keep a facial tissue on your person or nearby at all times.

NOTE:  This procedure looks difficult at first, but it's basically: tilt head back, squirt saline in nose, hold nose, bend over, release nose, stand up, blow nose.
  
   Once your sinuses get cleared out, the cilia start functioning properly, and your sinuses, your sense of smell, your nose, and your breathing just start working better and better as the days go by.

PART III

13.  PREVENT DEFENSE

     The best way to kill your sinus problems is to attack a cold virus with everything you’ve got, before it leads to acute sinusitis.
     The first thing you can do is not get a cold.  Cold viruses are acquired from other people who have a cold.  If somebody with a cold blows their nose, or touches their nose or mouth, or sneezes into their hand, and then shakes hands with you, you will have cold viruses on your hand.  If you then touch your nose, the viruses will go in, and your nose will escort the germs further into your nose.
     If a cold sufferer with viruses on his hand touches a pen, a keyboard, a doorknob, a dime, or anything, the viruses collect on the object.  When you touch the object, and then touch your own nose or mouth, you will get the germs.
     What’s the best defense?  Don’t touch your face, and especially your nose, with the parts of your hand that you touch things.  If you feel the urge to rub your nose or eyes, use the back of your hand.  And of course, if you have to pick your nose, make sure that you have thoroughly scrubbed your hands, or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 62% ethanol, which hospital studies have shown to be about as effective as washing with soap and water.

     If you find yourself with a little too much phlegm in your throat, or some congestion that is clearly not allergy-related, or your throat is beginning to get soar, hit the shower as soon as you can and use the saline solution to flush out the cold viruses and infected nasal cells and toxins, before they have a chance to establish themselves in your sinuses.  You will never be able to beat all the colds that attack you, but you can beat most of them.

     Drink as much water as you can tolerate.  Filling your body with water dilutes the mucus in your head, throat, and lungs, and helps the body get rid of the microbes and their toxic waste.

     As any practitioner of Chinese medicine, most organic/natural food enthusiasts, or an experienced doctor will tell you, there are four things that can increase the thickness of your mucus, and create a lot of phlegm, so avoid them while you are fighting the onset of a cold, or clearing up your sinusitis.
• Cut way back on milk products.  Milk on your cereal, cream in your coffee, those are okay, but knock off the glasses of milk and ice cream while you are sick.  If you want to see the effects of dairy products, drink a milkshake or a glass of eggnog when you are healthy, and see what happens to your phlegm levels.
• Stay away from white flour, like you find in cakes, cookies, white bread, and pastries.  White flour is a phlegm-maker.
• Moderate your sweets.  Sugar is a phlegm producer.  Eat a piece of a chocolate bar, to get a clear demonstration.
• Lower the use of alcohol.  Alcohol thickens the mucus in your head and lungs, and lowers your immune resistance.  

     If you start getting chills, you may have the flu instead of a cold.  Flush your head with saline before bed, jump in bed with as many covers as you can find, and sweat it out.  It won’t be a great night’s sleep, but there’s a very good chance you can beat the flu virus.  If you don’t, go see a doctor or deal with the flu the way you usually do.
Does saline solution work against the flu?  It might if you get to the flu virus soon enough, but that is something I am not going to talk about in this book.  The flu, if not treated properly, can be fatal to some people.  In fact, it is fatal to 1% of its victims.  I personally wouldn’t seek alternative medicine for a possibly fatal disease, so I wouldn’t recommend it to you.
    
     It’s true, what your grandmother said, that chicken soup helps a cold.  Chicken soup actually loosens phlegm in your head and lungs, and helps your body clear it out.
It also helps activate the cilia in your nose and lungs.  

     Another folk remedy is to drink apple cider vinegar, which its proponents claim will thin out your mucus.  I’ve never tried it—sounds a little too groovy for me—but you can look it up on the internet if you want to try it.

     A food that certainly helps clear out the congestion in your head is the chile pepper.  In fact, the active ingredient in all hot peppers, capsaicin, is being used by some doctors to treat sinusitis.  But forget about active ingredients, eat some spicy hot food.
Cajun food, Mexican food, Thai food, Szechuan food, red chile, green chile, jalapeños, Tabasco, and habañeras.  If it makes your scalp sweat, and your nose to run, it’s like medicine.  

     What about the “natural” cures for a cold?  Some people take zinc lozenges to ward off a cold.  Scientific studies that have been done show that zinc lozenges do not work, but not enough testing has been done to see if they work at higher doses.  Definitely don’t use a zinc spray, because some people claim it has caused anosmia, which is the loss of the sense of smell.

     I always believed, instinctively, that echinacea was a fad cure for a cold, and a study sponsored by the government’s National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine lends support to that view.  It found that the subjects who took echinacea caught just as many colds, had the same amount of virus in their snot, and had cold symptoms just as severe as the people who took a placebo.  As the director of the center, Dr. Stephen E. Straus said, “It’s a product with remarkable traction.  It has that traction because of a combination of folklore, myth and word of mouth which is much more than the science has borne out.”  Medical science is full of unknowns, and maybe it works for some people at a different dose.   Scientifically, echinacea follows the Last Cure Rule:  Whatever people are taking or doing when the illness goes away gets the credit.

     The only non-prescription medicine I take when I feel a cold or flu coming on is a Chinese herb combination called Ganmaoling.  It comes in the form of little yellow sugar-coated pills, and you take 4 of them every 4 hours.  If they don’t help stop a cold in two days, I stop taking them, because the anti-viral properties of Ganmaoling only work before the cold or flu has been established in your head.  It’s entirely possible that Ganmaoling follows the Last Cure Rule, but I’m assured by the fact that it has been field tested by a large number of Chinese for several centuries.

     Drinking hot tea works very well, not just for the steam effect while you are drinking it, but the warmth helps, and tea gets the cilia in your lungs and sinuses into gear.

     During your battle against a cold or sinusitis, it helps to place a warm towel or one of those rubbery hot water bottles over your face, because the warmth will help loosen the congestion in your head and face, and warm up the cilia to a temperature where they work better.

     Don’t hold your head over a steam source or do any intense steaming of your nasal passages.  At too high of a temperature the cilia temporarily stop working. The steam from a hot shower is just warm enough to get the cilia working, but not hot enough to shut them down.

     For a sore throat, gargling with a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution will kill the germs in your throat, and provide some relief.

     Never discount anything that has worked for you in the past, such as vaporizers, humidifiers, anti-histamines, steam-baths, saunas, or anything your ancestors have handed down.  My wife comes from a culture that considers Vicks Vapo-Rub to be the cure for every problem with the respiratory system, and it seems to work, as she rarely stays sick very long. In fact, some doctors have observed in their practices that the essential oils in Vicks are effective in relieving cold symptoms.  


14.   GERMOPHOBIA

     The best way to avoid a cold or sinus problem is to avoid the viruses, bacteria, fungi, microbes, and germs that cause them.  The most effective way to avoid them is to not shake hands with a sick person, avoid their sneezes and coughs, and not put your finger in your nose without making sure your finger is clean.
     This advice, by doctors and other health professionals, can be taken too far, and creep into the realm of germophobia, where people become obsessed about microbes lurking on every surface.
    As it turns out, germs can be found on some expected places, some unexpected places, and places you’d least suspect, while other surfaces are much safer than you would expect.

     A classic fear is the public toilet seat, but there are many more surfaces that can cause a greater chance of catching an illness.  The toilet seat most likely contains bacteria that cause gastrointestinal diseases, which, ironically, are the diseases we least fear to catch.

     Many people eat at their desks at work, and they rarely clean them, so a desk can have many times as many bacteria as a toilet seat.

     Some people have a 5-second rule about dropping food on the floor.  They think that food doesn’t have time to acquire germs in less than 5 seconds, so it’s okay to pick the food up and eat it.  This rule is generally correct—most microbes require moisture to grow and thrive, and most floors are dry, so the floor is one of the cleaner places in a room.  Apparently, it’s more dangerous to drop food on your desk than on the floor.

     This rule doesn’t apply in the restroom, where the floor usually is wetter, and the floor may be more contaminated than the feared toilet seat.

     A recent study was done in an elementary school, to find the greatest source of germs.  Schools are germ factories, and most cold viruses originate in the noses of children, who average 6 to 10 colds a year, vs. 2 or 3 for the average adult.
Children may or may not wash their hands after using the restroom, there may or may not be soap in the restroom, and paper towels are often not present.
     It turns out that most of the germs don’t come from the restrooms; they come from the cafeteria and drinking fountains.  The trays in the cafeteria are swarming with bacteria, and generally have a higher concentration of bacteria than the dreaded toilet seat. The highest germ count is in the cafeteria drinking fountain.  Of course, that’s where the water is, and germs need water to grow.
    
     The worst surface in public is no surprise.  It’s the handle of a grocery cart. All the bacteria from food residue picked up from shoppers’ hands is left to fester at room temperature; with many different hands per day, it adds up to about 1,000 colonies of bacteria per square inch.

     What’s the most dangerous surface in the hospital?  Once again, it’s not the toilet seat.  It’s not the doctor, or the nurse, or the surgical instruments.  It’s the TV remote control, according to a University of Arizona study by Professor Chuck Gerba, known popularly as “The Germ Doctor”.  The TV remote, on average, had the highest numbers of drug-resistant staph bacteria, which is the leading cause of death and illness in the hospital.

     It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that other electronic items with tiny buttons and keys may also be teeming with bacteria and viruses.   You can’t wash your hands every time you touch one of these objects, so just follow the general rule—don’t touch your face with your fingers, until you have thoroughly washed your hands.

     Professor Gerba also tested around the office, a hundred of them, where the phone, personal digital assistants, desk drawers, and computer keyboards harbored loads of germs.  The most contaminated places are the bottom of women’s purses and men’s wallets.  Lastly, he noted that the average desk has 400 times more germs than the average toilet seat.

I spent most of my life thinking that soap kills germs.  I was wrong.  Soap makes your hands and other parts of your body too slippery for bacteria, so they slide off the body when you rinse them with water.  Apparently, a lot of the bacteria remain.

     What’s up with the anti-bacterial soap that seems to be everywhere?  Is this a good idea?  The answer is yes and no.  Anti-bacterial soap actually kills the germs and allows them to be washed away.   Unfortunately, it doesn’t kill all the bacteria, and some of the ones that are left are resistant to the chemicals in anti-bacterial soap, and these bacteria multiply.  It’s the power and glory of evolution in real time.  The Nonprescription Drugs Advisory Committee, which advises the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, were told by experts that anti-bacterial soaps are no more effective than regular soap in reducing illness, and in fact, they may possibly help accelerate the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
     The most effective way to remove bacteria and viruses from your hands is to wash them with regular soap for 15 to 30 seconds, and rinse them with cold water.

     However, look no farther than the rest of your skin for a rich source of germs.  From the New York University School of Medicine, this:  human skin has 182 species of bacteria.  Microbiologist Dr. Martin Blaser notes that the bacteria are part of our body, providing some protection to the skin.  “There are as many different species in our skin as there are in a good zoo,” he said. Knowing this, should we be washing so often?  
    
     The odd truth is that we need some bacteria, and we need to get sick every once in a while.  The polio epidemic in the United States started in the 1930’s after the nation’s water supply was cleaned up, and children under 3 years old stopped getting the polio microbe, at an age when they safely develop immunity.  The rate of asthma has skyrocketed in Japan, possibly as a result of many Japanese becoming super-clean sterile-freaks.  So forget about ridding yourself of all germs.  Your body’s immune system is set up to kill unwanted intruders, and if there’s nothing to kill, your immune system may attack you.
     The germs you do want to destroy are the ones in your head.  Keep a bottle of saline solution at hand, and breathe free.  If you smell something wonderful, or if you smell something horrendous, just be glad you can smell it all.



15. ALLERGIES

     Saline flushes can only temporarily relieve the symptoms of allergies in the nose and sinuses.  It can help clear the sinuses so that a bacterial or viral infection won’t set into the accumulated mucus.
     The best ************** for allergic rhinitis (a runny nose) is 10 milligrams of montelukast sodium (Singulair), which is available by prescription, or 240 milligram of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride (Sudafed).  According to a study by the University of Chicago, the two drugs are equally effective, even though the prescription drug costs 4 times as much.  The study was funded by the makers of the prescription drug. However, both drugs work in different ways, so one of them may work better for you than the other.
     The best natural treatment for allergies is capsules of stinging nettle leaf, also known simply as nettle leaf.  There are studies that suggest that magnesium lessens the body’s reaction to allergens, and nettle leaf is a rich source of magnesium.
    If your sinus problems are not going away after doing a saline flush, I’d recommend taking pseudoephedrine or Singulair, just to determine that your sinus problems are or are not caused by an allergy.

     In the end, when you have cleared your sinuses, you should be able to walk a block with your mouth shut.  If not, go see a doctor, again.

ADDENDUMS BY DR. ENOCH CHOI, M.D.

- pseudoephedrine hydrochloride (Sudafed) is now OTC behind-the-counter since too many drug manufacturers bought it to boil down to methamphetamines.  People can still get it, they just have to ask for it to be given to them.

- for allergic rhinitis, in addition to singulair and sudafed, there are other treatments: nasal steroids, nasal antihistamines, and nasal anticholinergics can help, and to get to the root cause, get allergy shots for desensitization

- even before you can walk a block with your mouth shut, a doctor can help you get there faster...



SOURCES

http://www.mayoclinic.com

Sinusitis, NIAID Fact Sheet  http://niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/sinusitis.htm

http://www.drmirkin.com

http://www.merck.com

Dr. Murray Grossan, Cedars Sinai Medical Center, http://www.sinus-allergies.com

Report on over-prescription of antibiotics for acute sinusitis published in Archives of Otolaryngology – Head and Neck Surgery, March 2007 issue.

Report on decongestants from University of Chicago, published in Archives of Otolaryngology – Head and Neck Surgery, February 2006 issue.

“What the Experts Say About Washing Your Nose with a Salty Solution”, Dr. Hana R. Solomon, MD, September 9, 2004

“Study Ties Sinusitis to Fungi in the Nose”, by Gabrielle Glaser, New York Times, September 26, 2000

“Sinusitis”, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, April 2002

“When Trouble Hits Those Holes in Your Head”, by Jane Brody, New York Times, March 15, 2005

Microbiology Professor Chuck Gerba, University of Arizona

Dr. Woodson Merrell, Professor of Medicine, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons

“There is a Zoo of Microbes on Your Skin”, by Will Dunham, Reuters, published on www.iol.co.za on February 5, 2007

“Experts Refute Anti-Bacterial Soap Claims”, by John J. Lumpkin, Associated Press, October 20,
2005

“Study Says Echinacea Has No Effect on Colds”, by Gina Kolata, New York Times, July 28, 2005




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by ibrahim_nur, Nov 02, 2009
I have the same symtoms, i drop school cuz of this problem, and know am about to quite my job. But i donot despair cuz i belive God, and oneday i will be fine. Am a muslim, and my religion is islam.
Do not despair, Go to the doctor, but which doctor, Allah(God). If God says you'll be Okay.
thnks.

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by mytoto24, Nov 04, 2009
...Well I hope you get cured soon.. what are your symptoms?


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by help_me_please112, Nov 23, 2009
I have the same problem that a lot of people are experiencing. I have this disgusting feces smell coming from my sinuses. I have tried every solution offered by everyone on the Internet. I have used peroxide, antibiotics, allergy medication, the flip-turn solution, etc, and nothing works. What is causing this feces smell in my sinuses? I have gone to the doctor and they all say that I'm well. As a matter of fact, a ENT doctor did an exploratory exam of my sinuses and didn't find anything. If there is nothing wrong, where is the feces smell coming from? I just don't get it.... I feel like the other person who said that he is now at the point of pouring bleach into his/her sinuses. I also believe that pouring bleach won't work either. Can anyone help? I'm willing to pay to get this problem fixed.

By the way, they have done CAT scans of my head and nothing shows up. I am dying as a person.

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by help_me_please112, Nov 23, 2009
If there is a medical scientist who would like to make a name for himself/herself, should definitely investigate this disease.

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by help_me_please112, Nov 27, 2009
By the way, DO NOT POUR BLEACH INTO YOUR SINUSES.... ;)

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by Defiler_1989, Nov 28, 2009
I wish I could offer solutions to these problems, but sadly, I'm experiencing something very similar, although there are some differences. Regardless, I'll share my "story" for the sake of sharing an experience to compare to:
I just turned 20, and this is my second year out of highschool
I landed a perfect full time job working with mining equipment, and everything seemed to be going perfect.
But when I was younger, I developed some serious issues with pilonidal cysts (or abcess, which my doctor refers to as the "pilonidal sinus"). This was about 6 years ago, and the first time it happened, it required surgery, which really is NOT a pleasant experience, but the problem was never corrected and the legions kept re-occuring.
and for 5 years, roughly 2-3 times each month, I would experience a new "abcess", for lack of a better word, until the point this past January of 2009, where it was so bad that I missed 2 weeks of work.
In February, I went in for surgery number 3 for this issue, and that same weekend, I was hospitalized with a "virus" that the hospital failed to figure out, because when I'd ask for answers, none were given.
All of the symptoms I experienced were that of the Staphylococcus Aureus virus, but, that being said, I'm no doctor, so I cannot say for certain this is what it was.
Anyway; the surgery was not a success, yet again, and was re-excised in August.
So now that I've given a short history on myself,
I've since been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, and ever since my surgery in February, I've had this lingering odour in the back of my nose, and the only way I'd be able to describe it is as if someone took a full bulb of nasty, old, rotting garlic, and sat it in the back of my nose.
If I had to compare it to anything else... if anyone has ever had a really harsh cold, where you just can't seem to stop caughing, and your throat gets really raw, and you have a sort of metallic taste, and combine this with the horrible taste of the absolute worst heart burn you may (or may not have) experienced. It's HORRIBLE.
My doctor has been treating me repeatedly to no avail with antibiotics, and nothing seems to clear it up.
Also, before I realized that this was really becoming a problem, my girlfriend at the time used to make comments that I smelled like garlic, or that something smelled like chemicals of sorts, which I paid no attention to, because one would think logically; when you consume anything, it's going to linger on your breath for a while.
And lately my mom and grandmother have been noticing a scent about me that they can only describe as old, rotting garlic.
This smell is very overbearing, and overpowers almost anything else.
For example, we have an AirWick Freshmatic, which sprays out fragrances from which ever canister you choose to load, and normally I love the smell, but every time it goes off, I dread crossing the path of the scent, because whenever I smell something, this nasty smell comes along and just blocks it off, and just seems to intensify and get much worse to the point where it makes you almost gag.
Also, I've always had very bad seasonal allergies, as well as environmental allergies, combined with life long asthma, so I'd been relating my symptoms to allergies, but this just seems to be getting worse.
In the coming weeks, I'm going to be experimenting with different things to see if anything can clear this up, because it's REALLY unpleasant, and it's causing me a great deal of stress, in the sense that I already have pain from Fibromyalgia, and this is just causing me a lot more, and it's really tough to deal with.
So if I come across anything that seems to work, I'll make sure to post some info on the matter, because I know all too well how horrible this "condition" can be, and i say "condition" in place of the term that should be used to describe this, but I just have no idea what exactly this is.
I sincerely hope this problem corrects itself, not only for myself, but for everyone else who's posted on here, as well as the people suffering from this that have not posted on here, because even though it may not be so much physically debilitating, it can be socially debilitating, in a very devastating sense. Especially if it causes you to drop school, or work.

Best wishes!!

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by Defiler_1989, Nov 28, 2009
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific,
simply saying a Staphylococcus Aureus virus doesn't really specify too much in terms of hospitilization.
What occured that caused the hospitilization was a fever of approx. 105.5 degrees ferenheit, accompanied by a severe rash on the legs resembling a very bad sunburn, nausea, seemingly non-stop vomiting, chills to the point where the floor shook, and a feeling of freezing on a very intense level that I've never experienced before.
The reason I say Staph. Aureus is also because of the legion that developed on my lip, which was very bothersome, as well as the fact that after some very thorough research, I discovered that Staph. Aureus can carry a gene that causes toxic shock syndrome, which is the carries the main part of the hospitilization.
And for the longest time, I thought it was just the after effects of a Staph infection, because the Staph. virus carries in the nose very commonly, but what really set my mind otherwise, is the fact that there is not even a blemish to suggest something of that nature.
I appologize for any confusion with this, but please refer to this comment along with the above comment for it to make at least a little sense (I'm hoping).
And please, if anyone can help with ideas, I'm very open minded, and I'd love to hear from you, because I'm at the point where I don't know which direction to look for answers.
Thanks in advance :)

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by help_me_please112, Nov 28, 2009
Dear friends,

I have found a solution that is working for me. However, before I share the solution that has worked for me, I want to share a disclaimer. First, I do not recommend to anyone to try the solution that worked for me. Second, if you do decide to try the solution that worked for me, I highly recommend that you see your doctor and discuss this solution with him or her and follow his or her advice. Third, I am not a medical doctor, so do not take my solution as something that a medical doctor recommended.

First of all, it is my belief that this feces smell coming from our sinuses is caused by a drug resistant bacteria infection. The reason I state it is a drug resistant infection is because all of us have tried antibiotics without any success. Somehow this infection became drug resistant at some point in our lives. As a drug resistant infection, all of the antibiotic in the world won’t do anything to get rid of it. After reading everybody’s stories, the common thread among all of these stories is the fact that antibiotics do not work.

Second, this drug resistant infection resides in the frontal sinuses. The reason I state this drug resistant infection resides in the frontal sinuses is because all of us at some point or another have tried flushing our sinuses with saline with some combination of hydrogen peroxide or some other type of antiseptic without any success. If this drug resistant infection had resided in any other location, but the frontal sinuses these flushes would have worked in getting rid of the infection. After reading everybody’s stories, another common thread among all of these stories is the fact that flushes do not work since the infection resides out of the reach of these sinus flushes.

Disclaimer: YOU MUST SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT ENDANGER YOUR LIFE AND/OR HEALTH. MOREOVER, I AM NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR, OR CLAIM ANY MEDICAL TRAINING. THE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME IS POISONOUS WHEN INGESTED. IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT 3 ML OF THIS SOLUTION HAS BEEN TOXIC TO CHILDREN. THEREFORE, THIS SOLUTION IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN’T TAKEN LIGHTLY. THEREFORE, SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE AND DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON THIS SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME. Third, as a drug resistant infection, I decided to try a disinfectant that is safe to healthy cells, but deadly to bacteria, viruses and fungus.  Moreover, this disinfectant is not only safe to healthy cells, it is reduces the swelling inside the sinuses. Again, do your own research and seek medical advice on the solution that worked for me. I AM CLAIMING THAT THIS SOLUTION WILL WORK FOR YOU, OR THAT IT IS SAFE. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE CLAIMING THAT I CLAIMED THAT THIS SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME WAS SAFE. YOU, AS AN ADULT, YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.  Even though this disinfectant is safe to health cells, it is poisonous to ingest. It has been stated that 3 ml of it can be toxic to children.  I found that tea tree oil is a natural killer of bacteria, virus and fungus organisms. According to the research that I did on the Internet, tea tree oil is safe to health cells and reduces swelling, but it is toxic if ingested or taken internally. The disinfectant that fit the bill is tea tree oil and it is sold over the counter at your local pharmacy.

Fourth, I decided to try teat tree oil, but I needed a way to try it without poisoning myself and making sure that it reached the location of the drug resistant infection. I bought a NeilMed Sinus Rinse bottle which can hold 240 ML of water. I also bought the sinus rinse packets that came with the bottle. I mixed the packets according to the instructions with 240 ML of distilled water (Distilled water is water that has boiled to kill microorganisms. I wanted to make sure that I didn’t use any water that had contaminant in it since it might make my infection even worst) and I filled the bottle. After creating the saline solution, I then proceeded to thoroughly mix 2 ML of tea tree oil with the 240 ML of saline solution.

Now that had the solution in my hand, I needed to make sure it reached the site of the infection. So I decided to use gravity to get the solution into my frontal sinuses. I did this by lying in bed. I made sure that head was hanging just off the edge of my bed. This positioned my sinuses so that my nostrils were facing up into the ceiling. I then proceeded to pour some of the solution into my sinuses via my nostrils. The solution immediately made its way into my frontal sinuses since gravity was pushing it into my frontal sinuses. I laid there for 3 minutes. After three minutes, I pinched my nose and proceeded to get off my bed. I then let the solution to drain off my sinuses in my bathroom sink. I gently blew my nose with tissue paper until there was no solution left inside my sinuses. I then repeated the same procedure 4 times. I’ve been doing this three times a day and so far the feces smell has gone away. I’m going to continue this procedure until I am 100% certain that the infection is completely gone since I do not want it to become resistant to tea tree oil.

AGAIN, THIS SOLUTION WORKED FOR ME AND I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT TO ANYONE. TEAT TREE OIL IS TOXIC IF INGESTED. THIS SOLUTION MIGHT INJURE YOUR SINUSES. YOU NEED TO SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU NEED TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. YOU NEED TO USE YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE. YOU NEED TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

THE ONLY REASON I AM SHARING THE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE THIS DISEASE. THIS DISEASE CAN DESTROY YOUR PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE. I FELT LIKE DYING AND I WAS DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF THIS DISEASE, SO I KNOW HOW IT FEELS. I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THIS FECES SMELL IS BECAUSE OF A DRUG RESISTANT INFECTION.

SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE!!!!!    


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by help_me_please112, Nov 28, 2009
Dear friends,

I have found a solution that is working for me. However, before I share the solution that has worked for me, I want to share a disclaimer. First, I do not recommend to anyone to try the solution that worked for me. Second, if you do decide to try the solution that worked for me, I highly recommend that you see your doctor and discuss this solution with him or her and follow his or her advice. Third, I am not a medical doctor, so do not take my solution as something that a medical doctor recommended.

First of all, it is my belief that this feces smell coming from our sinuses is caused by a drug resistant bacteria infection. The reason I state it is a drug resistant infection is because all of us have tried antibiotics without any success. Somehow this infection became drug resistant at some point in our lives. As a drug resistant infection, all of the antibiotic in the world won’t do anything to get rid of it. After reading everybody’s stories, the common thread among all of these stories is the fact that antibiotics do not work.

Second, this drug resistant infection resides in the frontal sinuses. The reason I state this drug resistant infection resides in the frontal sinuses is because all of us at some point or another have tried flushing our sinuses with saline with some combination of hydrogen peroxide or some other type of antiseptic without any success. If this drug resistant infection had resided in any other location, but the frontal sinuses these flushes would have worked in getting rid of the infection. After reading everybody’s stories, another common thread among all of these stories is the fact that flushes do not work since the infection resides out of the reach of these sinus flushes.

Disclaimer: YOU MUST SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT ENDANGER YOUR LIFE AND/OR HEALTH. MOREOVER, I AM NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR, OR CLAIM ANY MEDICAL TRAINING. THE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME IS POISONOUS WHEN INGESTED. IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT 3 ML OF THIS SOLUTION HAS BEEN TOXIC TO CHILDREN. THEREFORE, THIS SOLUTION IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN’T TAKEN LIGHTLY. THEREFORE, SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE AND DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON THIS SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME. Third, as a drug resistant infection, I decided to try a disinfectant that is safe to healthy cells, but deadly to bacteria, viruses and fungus.  Moreover, this disinfectant is not only safe to healthy cells, it is reduces the swelling inside the sinuses. Again, do your own research and seek medical advice on the solution that worked for me. I AM “NOT” CLAIMING THAT THIS SOLUTION WILL WORK FOR YOU, OR THAT IT IS SAFE. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE CLAIMING THAT I CLAIMED THAT THIS SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME WAS SAFE. YOU, AS AN ADULT, YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.  Even though this disinfectant is safe to health cells, it is poisonous to ingest. It has been stated that 3 ml of it can be toxic to children.  I found that tea tree oil is a natural killer of bacteria, virus and fungus organisms. According to the research that I did on the Internet, tea tree oil is safe to health cells and reduces swelling, but it is toxic if ingested or taken internally. The disinfectant that fit the bill is tea tree oil and it is sold over the counter at your local pharmacy.

Fourth, I decided to try teat tree oil, but I needed a way to try it without poisoning myself and making sure that it reached the location of the drug resistant infection. I bought a NeilMed Sinus Rinse bottle which can hold 240 ML of water. I also bought the sinus rinse packets that came with the bottle. I mixed the packets according to the instructions with 240 ML of distilled water (Distilled water is water that has boiled to kill microorganisms. I wanted to make sure that I didn’t use any water that had contaminant in it since it might make my infection even worst) and I filled the bottle. After creating the saline solution, I then proceeded to thoroughly mix 2 ML of tea tree oil with the 240 ML of saline solution.

Now that had the solution in my hand, I needed to make sure it reached the site of the infection. So I decided to use gravity to get the solution into my frontal sinuses. I did this by lying in bed. I made sure that head was hanging just off the edge of my bed. This positioned my sinuses so that my nostrils were facing up into the ceiling. I then proceeded to pour some of the solution into my sinuses via my nostrils. The solution immediately made its way into my frontal sinuses since gravity was pushing it into my frontal sinuses. I laid there for 3 minutes. After three minutes, I pinched my nose and proceeded to get off my bed. I then let the solution to drain off my sinuses in my bathroom sink. I gently blew my nose with tissue paper until there was no solution left inside my sinuses. I then repeated the same procedure 4 times. I’ve been doing this three times a day and so far the feces smell has gone away. I’m going to continue this procedure until I am 100% certain that the infection is completely gone since I do not want it to become resistant to tea tree oil.

AGAIN, THIS SOLUTION WORKED FOR ME AND I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT TO ANYONE. TEAT TREE OIL IS TOXIC IF INGESTED. THIS SOLUTION MIGHT INJURE YOUR SINUSES. YOU NEED TO SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU NEED TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. YOU NEED TO USE YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE. YOU NEED TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

THE ONLY REASON I AM SHARING THE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE THIS DISEASE. THIS DISEASE CAN DESTROY YOUR PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE. I FELT LIKE DYING AND I WAS DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF THIS DISEASE, SO I KNOW HOW IT FEELS. I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THIS FECES SMELL IS BECAUSE OF A DRUG RESISTANT INFECTION.

SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE!!!!!    


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by help_me_please112, Nov 28, 2009
DISREGARD PREVIOUS MESSAGES. PLEASE THIS MESSAGE SINCE THE PREVIOUS MESSAGES HAD TYPOS IN THEM!!!

Dear friends,

I have found a solution that is working for me. However, before I share the solution that has worked for me, I want to share a disclaimer. First, I do not recommend to anyone to try the solution that worked for me. Second, if you do decide to try the solution that worked for me, I highly recommend that you see your doctor and discuss this solution with him or her and follow his or her advice. Third, I am not a medical doctor, so do not take my solution as something that a medical doctor recommended.

First of all, it is my belief that this feces smell coming from our sinuses is caused by a drug resistant bacteria infection. The reason I state it is a drug resistant infection is because all of us have tried antibiotics without any success. Somehow this infection became drug resistant at some point in our lives. As a drug resistant infection, all of the antibiotic in the world won’t do anything to get rid of it. After reading everybody’s stories, the common thread among all of these stories is the fact that antibiotics do not work.

Second, this drug resistant infection resides in the frontal sinuses. The reason I state this drug resistant infection resides in the frontal sinuses is because all of us at some point or another have tried flushing our sinuses with saline with some combination of hydrogen peroxide or some other type of antiseptic without any success. If this drug resistant infection had resided in any other location, but the frontal sinuses these flushes would have worked in getting rid of the infection. After reading everybody’s stories, another common thread among all of these stories is the fact that flushes do not work since the infection resides out of the reach of these sinus flushes.

Disclaimer: YOU MUST SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT ENDANGER YOUR LIFE AND/OR HEALTH. MOREOVER, I AM NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR, OR CLAIM ANY MEDICAL TRAINING. THE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME IS POISONOUS WHEN INGESTED. IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT 3 ML OF THIS SOLUTION HAS BEEN TOXIC TO CHILDREN. THEREFORE, THIS SOLUTION IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN’T TAKEN LIGHTLY. THEREFORE, SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE AND DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON THIS SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME. Third, as a drug resistant infection, I decided to try a disinfectant that is safe to healthy cells, but deadly to bacteria, viruses and fungus.  Moreover, this disinfectant is not only safe to healthy cells, it is reduces the swelling inside the sinuses. Again, do your own research and seek medical advice on the solution that worked for me. I AM “NOT” CLAIMING THAT THIS SOLUTION WILL WORK FOR YOU, OR THAT IT IS SAFE. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE CLAIMING THAT I CLAIMED THAT THIS SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME WAS SAFE. YOU, AS AN ADULT, YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.  Even though this disinfectant is safe to health cells, it is poisonous to ingest. It has been stated that 3 ml of it can be toxic to children.  I found that tea tree oil is a natural killer of bacteria, virus and fungus organisms. According to the research that I did on the Internet, tea tree oil is safe to health cells and reduces swelling, but it is toxic if ingested or taken internally. The disinfectant that fit the bill is tea tree oil and it is sold over the counter at your local pharmacy.

Fourth, I decided to try teat tree oil, but I needed a way to try it without poisoning myself and making sure that it reached the location of the drug resistant infection. I bought a NeilMed Sinus Rinse bottle which can hold 240 ML of water. I also bought the sinus rinse packets that came with the bottle. I mixed the packets according to the instructions with 240 ML of distilled water (Distilled water is water that has boiled to kill microorganisms. I wanted to make sure that I didn’t use any water that had contaminant in it since it might make my infection even worst) and I filled the bottle. After creating the saline solution, I then proceeded to thoroughly mix 2 ML of tea tree oil with the 240 ML of saline solution.

Now that had the solution in my hand, I needed to make sure it reached the site of the infection. So I decided to use gravity to get the solution into my frontal sinuses. I did this by lying in bed. I made sure that head was hanging just off the edge of my bed. This positioned my sinuses so that my nostrils were facing up into the ceiling. I then proceeded to pour some of the solution into my sinuses via my nostrils. The solution immediately made its way into my frontal sinuses since gravity was pushing it into my frontal sinuses. I laid there for 3 minutes. After three minutes, I pinched my nose and proceeded to get off my bed. I then let the solution to drain off my sinuses in my bathroom sink. I gently blew my nose with tissue paper until there was no solution left inside my sinuses. I then repeated the same procedure 4 times. I’ve been doing this three times a day and so far the feces smell has gone away. I’m going to continue this procedure until I am 100% certain that the infection is completely gone since I do not want it to become resistant to tea tree oil.

AGAIN, THIS SOLUTION WORKED FOR ME AND I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT TO ANYONE. TEAT TREE OIL IS TOXIC IF INGESTED. THIS SOLUTION MIGHT INJURE YOUR SINUSES. YOU NEED TO SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU NEED TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. YOU NEED TO USE YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE. YOU NEED TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

THE ONLY REASON I AM SHARING THE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE THIS DISEASE. THIS DISEASE CAN DESTROY YOUR PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE. I FELT LIKE DYING AND I WAS DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF THIS DISEASE, SO I KNOW HOW IT FEELS. I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THIS FECES SMELL IS BECAUSE OF A DRUG RESISTANT INFECTION.

SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE!!!!!    


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by help_me_please112, Nov 28, 2009
FYI: BY THE WAY, I NEVER INGESTED THE SOLUTION. I ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT IT DRAINED FROM MY SINUSES AND SPAT OUT ANY THAT WENT TO MY THROAT.

SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE!!!!

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by help_me_please112, Nov 29, 2009
FYI: SOME PEOPLE ARE ALLERGIC TO TEA TREE OIL AS WELL....

SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE

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by help_me_please112, Dec 13, 2009
The following solution may sound too good to be true, but is everyone drinking enough water. In other words, dehydration can lead to dry sinuses, and dry sinuses are a breeding ground for bacteria. Do me a favor, stay hydrated throughout the day and see if this fixes the problem.

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by help_me_please112, Dec 26, 2009
Does anyone out there know anything about this disease? Please share your story. Or are we the only ones with this disease?

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by Twinkle_toes8, Dec 30, 2009
Lots of people have this same problem.

see

http://www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=326&p=60

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by Twinkle_toes8, Dec 30, 2009
Also see

http://www.bloodbornebodyodorandhalitosis.com/2009/05/visiting-dr-about-metabolic-body-odor.html

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by frappy, Jan 10, 2010
what about paraasites any connection what about detection of posible parasite in the hair follicle causing this problem?please any responses?frappy


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by rella2003, Mar 14, 2010
For years I had the same problem. I smelled an infection in my nose and my sense of smell was very weak. I repeatedly took antibiotics and Sudafed for years. I later found out I had nasal polyps and a doctor from an allergy and asthma clinic placed me on Prednisone to shrink the polyps. The polyps did not shrink and the medication caused me to gain a lot of weight. She later discontinued the meds and I had nasal surgery.

After the surgery, I was able to sleep at night and my sense of smell is very keen. She never told me that continuous use of antibiotics and Prednisone combined would later kill my immune system. Two years after the surgery, I began suffering with CHRONIC RECURRENT YEAST INFECTIONS and CHRONIC SINUSITIS. This is my 5th year.

I suggest that you avoid antibiotics if possible. Antibiotics kill both your good and bad bacteria. But if you must take them add probiotics to build up your good bacteria.  Use a neti pot to clean your sinuses and Zyrtec helps as well. Best of luck to you and if you can help me I would appreciate it.

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by LIFEMUSTGOON, Apr 17, 2010
Hello Id like to share my life i have a very bad breath coming from my nose. i notice this since grade school when my classmate told me until now im 25 still the same, i didn't finish my studies cause cause of this smell like **** coming from my nose. i went to the dentist once a year my teeth's fine said by doctor, sometimes i wanted to tell the doctor to remove all my  teeth inside ^_^ ...i tried everything but to no avail.. I don't have GF cause i don't want to get close with girls, don't want to go date with whom i like, i feel pity to myself when a girl likes me and i just ignore them.  i cry somedays and thinking my future... I have many friend sometimes they smell they tend to tell smell like **** in the air... maaan feels so guilty !! but some friend were understanding they tend to ignore it but uhm!! its not normal !! What i do is staying at home cleaning the house...here i feel relax no worries. sometimes my friend invite me in a party and i told them i cannot leave the house ... right now i think i will do this for the rest of my life

                                        IT REALLY10x HURTS But  This is me accepting the fact life must go on !   "Cried !"
Sorry For my english !!  
                          

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by clara0, Sep 30, 2010
Hi everybody

I have had bad breath problem before....but now i reduced it from 7 days of the week to half and i am trying hard to cure it completely...I had allergy, sinusit symptoms which was not shown in CT scan... occational fever, sore throat,PND etc.
what I did during this period:
daily probiotics
daily vitamin C
switched to more raw vegatables and fruit
sinus wash with GSE
drinking GSE with water every day

by this way I reduced my bad breath from being permanent to temporary...and I will definitely post if I get more results from my new methods.
another thing: eating radish helps to reduce bb in allergy sufferers for a few hours or less(I tested it many times)
and an important point: stop any kind of antihistamines!
this is very very  important... I have been on them for 6 years or more... when I stopped them I had very horrible hay fever and allergy attacks but i resisted this time and noticed that the bb reduced dramatically after stopping them!
this is what doctors are not a fan of.... but antihistamines make your bb , 100% worse...they prevent the infection from coming out of your body,,,,,, I have had this experience with bb and allergy  for many miserable years that gave me depression and even heart problems :(

keep faith

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by qev704, Oct 09, 2010
Hello everyone, I too suffer from this awful affliction (about 8yrs now) and my story, in regards to work and social interactions, is very similar to all of yours. while I can't offer a solution (I know, I hate that too) I can offer a suggestion:

While you are struggling to rid yourselves of this awful affliction, file for disability, on the grounds that it is unfair to you to have to endure the mental and emotional anguish of being a virtual 'pariah' in the work place and unfair to your coworkers to have to be subjected to 'the odor' on a daily basis.

This is a serious medical issue that is getting zero professional attention. If enough of us start filing for permanent disability due to this condition, I'll bet the bean counters in the government will start to notice. Money talks.

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by ScruyLouie, Nov 18, 2010
I HAVE BEEN READING ALL THE POSTS; MY PROBLEM IS KINDA DIFFERENT. I SMOKED A CIGAR ONE NIGHT WHILE ON VACATION. I HAS FINE THAT NIGHT BUT BY MIDDAY THE NEXT DAY I WENT TO EAT & ALL OF THE SUDDEN, FOODS STARTED TASTING RANCID. I WAS HAVING FRIED FOODS SO I THOUGHT THAT THE OIL WENT BAD. BUT THE PERSON I WAS DINING WITH COULDNT TASTE THE STRANGE FLAVOR. A LITTLE WHILE LATER I STARTED HAVING CYCLING CHILLS & SWEATS. I FELT AWFUL. IN BED FOR A COMPLETE DAY. STARTED FEELING BETTER GRADUALLY BUT STILL, EVERYTHING I ATE HAD THAT SAME TASTE & SMELL. I DIDNT REALIZE IT WAS THE CIGAR UNTIL MY FRIEND SUGGESTED IT. I PICKED UP THE VERY SAME CIGAR (I hadnt smoked it all) & NEARLY THREW UP BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME SMELL. I ALSO HAVE NOTICED THAT MY BREATH IS REALLY BAD. I FIGURE IF ITS OFFEND MYSELF, THEN IT MUST BE OFFENDING OTHERS EVEN THOUGH NO ONE MENTIONED IT. I ALSO CAME DOWN WITH A CASE OF BRONCHITIS THAT BORDERED ON PNEUMONIA. I FOUND HALF A ZPAC I HAD & TOOK IT & IT SEEMED TO HELP ALTHOUGH I STILL AM COUGHING & I STILL HAVE THE SNIFFLES. ITS BEEN 3 WEEKS NOW & I OCCASSIONALLY GET THAT TASTE (not as severe). HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF GETTING SOME KIND OF BACTERIAL INFECTIONS FROM A CIGAR??? I HAVENT & ITS DRIVING ME NUTS!

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by dreamer171, Nov 21, 2010
Thanks GOD that i found this forum. I though im the only one with this  problem. Now i dont have to quite my job and friends. Put my life back on the right track. Speacials thanks to mytoto24 and other that post about their problem. GOD bless all.

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by dsh21, Jan 09, 2011
I have been suffering this condition as I Iike to call it for sometime.  I thought it was halitosis or perhaps H. Pylori or acid reflux issues as causes.   I was negative for H. Plyori, and although my endoscopic results confirmed my acid reflux, it showed everything else was normal.

I too suffered with poop breath, sulfur smells, then reduced to smells from foods I atet, usually immediately, and following.   I have been isolated, and had thoughts of quiting my job as a result of not being able to control the smell.  It's embarrasing.  This  is truly a debilitating condition.  I too stay within the confines of my family.  I try to avoid public places if possible.  I even tried not eating while at work to see if that would help, but it didn't.  

I've lost 29 pounds by my modifying my diet to offset acid reflux symptoms.

I found Manku Honey 100m worked for me and helped my digestive tract.  Combined with a somewhat vegan diet, elimination of refined sugars, processed foods, and unfiltered water, I have found this to help to some degree.   I've started taking Pau D'arco, three times a day as directed this past weekend, in the hopes it will do what it is intended for which is to act as a antifungi remedy.  

This will be week one after completely aproximately 1 1/2 months of Manku Honey twice daily.

Good luck to you all.



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by Goodluckguys, May 17, 2011
Hi guys, I have the same problem but the smell is more like ear wax - you know when you put your finger in your ear and its not clean.. that smell. Also my tongue is covered with white bacterias and when my dentist noticed, she just said to brush my tongue, but the white stuff will come right back during the day. I am not sure when or how it started. As a kid I could get that smell in my nose when I had a flu, I don't know if others could smell it. So far I have tried nasal flushing and also cleaning my nostrils under the shower. The shower part works good but it comes back after a few weeks. I'd say the smell started to be really bad when I was around 20 years old.

   This is really a pain in the ... for me because I have had a really bad depression at 21 years old but was too proud to say it was because everyone said I smelled bad. Back then my psychiatrist said depression makes you smell funny. I knew it wasn't because of the depression. Anyway, I've lost most of my friends now, I havent had a steady girlfriend since I was 20. Even though I'm good looking and clean. I'm 33 now! This is really killing me outside and inside, I feel powerless. Anyway, good luck guys. I'm going to take an appointment with an ENT soon because my doctor is my father and he thinks it's all in my head. Ill give some news if they find anything!


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by mortip, Jul 31, 2011
has anyone tried the teatree oil have same problem when I lower my head ,bad taste and smell,wont to know any updates please cheers rob

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by byebyebb, Aug 20, 2011
Just ordered pua de arco tea, digestive enzymes, and threelac. Got colon hydrotherapy earlier today. Bb is still there. Will be working on candidas diet. Been suffering for many years.

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by dogsbreath, Feb 04, 2013
Just a word of advise to 'help me please',

tea tree oil is extremely potent, and is only recommended for external treatment of skin. The mucous membranes inside the nose and sinuses are likely way too sensitive to handle tea tree oil. I could be wrong, but i've been looking into essential oils as pesticides, and i've come across a few memorable papers that detail tea tree oil causing reactions on animals skin even when extremely diulted, so be careful!!


And to anyone else who has read the rest of the thread, thanks for all your stories. I've had this fecal BB problem for many years. I beleive it started due to a horrible rotten tooth that developed during my teenage years, through a bad diet (sweets and sugary drinks) and lack of precision and time when brushing my teeth.

It got to the point where I would brush my teeth 4 times a day. I brush my teeth and rinse with lysterine and within 5 minutes my whole mouth would smell like poo and I could not have conversations even with my friends.

When I realised there was going to be no improvement in my condition, I booked the dentist (I had a phobia of dental surgery growing up, and was also under the impression it would cost me £200-300 for my treatment) and It was very relaxing and informative when I was there. I had a whole succession of treatments booked, all included in one price (about £45); I had two molars removed (I was anesthetized for this one and payed an extra £30 or so), I also had fillings in about 4 of my teeth, and two premolar reconstructions.

After the treatment, I noticed a big difference in the time it took for the fecal BB to appear. It would take a few hours, or half hour after food, compared to the 5 minutes before treatment!!

But anyway, this is still not good enough. I want NO fecal BB lol. It has been a few years now since my treatment, and up until a couple of weeks ago i still suffered from fecal BB. This breakthrough was possible because of the recommendations at the start of this thread by 'mytoto24'.

I have yet to do the sinus rinse as described, but Im going to do that today or tomorrow. All I have done so far, Is included probiotics into my diet (Activia is all I have tried so far) and changing dairy milk/cheese/cream for soya milk, in pretty much everything. I use soya milk for cereal and tea.

So after just 2 days of cutting out milk and drinking 2 activia probiotics a day, I have noticed a MASSIVE improvement in fecal BB. Like, its not there lol. ALthough, I do still notice bad breath, but the fecal aspect is gone.

I also ordered pau d'arco herbal tea, which I have been using for a week. A couple of days after drinking the tea I coughed and a white ball (about 6-7mm wide) flew from the back of my mouth. I think it came from my nasal area. I picked it up and kinda crushed it with my fingers and smelt it. OMG it stunk soooooooooo bad. It was like concentrated decay mixed with extra mature parmesan cheese or something. It was so sharp smelling it made me gag. Anyways, Im not sure if the tea helped it out or whether it was just my nasal membranes healing due to my withdrawal from milk, and new use of probiotics, but after it flew out I noticed I could smell new things. I think there is more up there because I can also now smell the same thing that flew out, although its a much fainter smell.

The activia seem to be working for me. I saw some tablet probiotics in the health store. So im wondering wether the tablet form will work as well as the activia. They would last longer and be alot cheaper, and alot more mobile!

So yeah, this has been goping on for over 10 years now, and I am only just starting to deal with the real issues here. Thanks so much for this thread!! :D :D :D

p.s. I also cut out junk food a long time ago, so I didn't mention that here, but im 100% sure it helps. Also quit smoking to stop dry mouth a long time ago. I also changed lysterine with corsodyl mouthwash because the latter is non-alcoholic, so It helps in keeping the mouth moist and unirritated. These things definately helped but they weren't the root of the problem. Im sure that having quit them in the past has also helped the true cause of the problem be more apparant this time round ;)

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by Zinniaforever, May 11, 2013
Let me add my experience. For the past 2 weeks I have been smelling and tasting this awful odor(taste). Not your normal sinus infection taste. I felt a tickle in my nose yesterday and blew out something very scary. I think it was mold!! Black and frilly looking about 1cm diameter. When I started dissecting it I saw sort of a powdery substance. I'd like to irrigate my nose and get rid of it. Guess I better go to the doctor....anyway..that taste and smell is gone. Whatever it was or is, was what was causing the taste and smell because its gone.

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by Haharry, Aug 19, 2013
I have found a temporary yet effective solution to the unpleasant nose/mouth smell/taste. My version of the affliction: I first started noticing it showed up after consuming dairy and caffeine products. Kind of like the smell of something spoiled within my nose. A few months went past with it showing up then and again, then I found a way to fend off the sensation.
     What worked for me was clenching my diaphragm, kind of like when taking a really huge dump (that's how I found that out, hehe) and then intensifying the pressure. It really should feel like you're trying to lay the largest brick in history, red face and all that. At one point you're going to feel the air pressure behind your nose and mouth build up, that's where you'll want to stick a bit and then stop. After this "fake-pooping" simulation the smell/taste is gone for the day, maybe even two or three days. This should be done while kneeling/sitting/etc., anyway- your face should be facing downwards. Sometimes one time might not do it, I've done it up to three times to rid the stench. Anyway - a single time usually isn't longer than 15 seconds. I am not saying this will help, but anyone can give it a try. Still - this is a temporary solution and I shall be visiting my doctor quite soon.

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by zeuss2399, Aug 31, 2013
Gosh, never thought that you guys had the same problem too. I thought I was the only one on earth having my colleagues making ugly faces, coughing, sighing & touching their noses when I'm around. My breath smells like poop all the time even after I brushed my teeth. I can hear my colleagues calling me names like toilet & toxic gas behind my back but what to do, I never wish to have this horrid smell either. I've tried so many times getting rid of the smell by buying hundreds of different perfumes, deodorants, body sprays, taking frequent showers daily but none of them ever worked. It made me feel so uncomfortable to be in the office, in the bus, everywhere that is filled with other human beings, that I once thought of quitting my current job & set up my own business so that I can work at home & nobody will be bothered by my awful smell. Unfortunately I wasn't rich enough to do so therefore I chose to seek remedies for this imperfection l am having. Thank goodness I found this forum today & I will try out the remedies commented by all of you. Thanks guys, hope they will  work for me. God bless all of us unfortunate earthlings.

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by Freshbreathforever, May 06, 2014
This problem is horrible I want to be free from it. At work I have suffered so much humiliation I have taken time off people have spoken to me in a disrespectful manner held their noses made rude remarks about the bb and even put 5 industrial fans facing my desk at work in the middle of winter they also open all windows and by my desk and moved everyone from around me which was so humiliating. I don't blame them because I know it stinks I can taste the smell. My family have shunned me this is so embarrassing sometimes I am scared to open my mouth and speak. I have been tested for tmua still waiting for results my doctor said he suspects a maxillary fungal nasal infection so I am waiting for appointment at ENT hospital . I have not had relationship for 8 years and my biological clock is ticking.  I have gone from a person who loves life and  people to withdrawn and isolated I spend most days at home and  procrastinate even to go to shops because I get some hurtful remarks as this bb odour takes up the whole room. I have had to quit going to my gym classes since 2010 so I have gained weight I loved going to the gym as my hobby.  I am looking for a way to work from home so I don't have to be in contact with people. I have absolutely no money coming in now I am on my last legs financially as I have not been back at work for over six months. I feel so Depressed this BB can make you want to commit suicide. I don't want to lose hope I am gonna beat this and have fresh smelling breath all day and grab life with both hands.  

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by Tricey2804, Jul 18, 2014
Just use raw apple cider vinegar. Take one teaspoon everyday when you get up in the morning. Gargle with peroxide after brish your teeth in a couple of months all symptoms will be gone.


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by Tricey2804, Jul 18, 2014
I forgot to say also cleanse you nose cavity everyday with kosher salt or saline salt peroxide and baking soda also take 1 teaspoon of raw apple cider vinegar

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by TylerDurden02, Sep 17, 2014
Have any of you tried the Therabreath products? Although they might be costly to many, they're definitely worth the money if they work for you and help you get through your working day.


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by xicaxica85, Nov 19, 2014
I have this white tongue that seams to be halitosis!!! my mouth feels dry sometimes and with this bad taste! i do good hygiene and this doesnt' seem to go away!! any solution? should i take de candida drugs?


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