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Tramadol & Ultram Recovery Room #61

Dec 26, 2013 - 98 comments
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Hello Tramadol Warriors!

Welcome to Part 61!

Please make yourself comfortable.  It's a bumpy ride.  But I promise you have come to the right place if you want to get off Tramadol.  Forever.  

This is a place to find support and give support from those who really know what it is like.

Understanding is essential!

You can do this.  


And yes. Eventually you will heal!



Love and Healing,
Emily

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by coosa1978, Dec 27, 2013
I haven't checked in for some time, but it's great to see the board is still home to many looking for help.  Never thought I would have made it this far, but eventually one day I just wasn't thinking about the little white devils and how much I needed them or wish I had them.

Kudos to everyone that is breaking the habit...you can do it!  One day at a time :)

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by 1footfwrd, Dec 28, 2013
I triied tramadol withdrawal cold turkey once after a surgery and will never put myself through it again. I have gotten a TENS unit, and since I am finding relief from it, I want to try it with no tramadol. I ran out of tramadol two days early, started through withdrawal, fended it off a little with imodium (reasonable amoutns, not 20 sheesh.) and stuff. But I said to myself, when I get the tramadol, I am going to taper. So. . .for four days I took my regular number, which was three in the a.m. and three mid-afternoon. I was able to jump down to four comfortably and am at that amount the first day. One every four hours is how I am proceeding. Two pills so far and I'm fine. I will stay on these four for four days, and then go down by half till I am at three. When I get to three, if I can remain there comfortably for four days, I plan to start tapering by a quarter pill every four days. I will tell you if I have to vary this and keep you apprised of my progress. I am pretty determined, because I really think if I can do something alternative about my pain I won't want the pills anymore. What happens is I end up with nausea every morning, craving the pill right away. I hate that feeling, waking up nauseated and needing a pill. Ugh. Wish me success, and I wish it for everyone here, too. I am making sure to take my daily supplements and all, maybe will help my discomfort when I get to the last jump off a quarter pill. Here goes. ....!

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by 1footfwrd, Dec 29, 2013
Taking just the four pills yesterday was fine. I had a little achies but took some tylenol and was okay without taking more tramadol.

I know this will get harder when I cut way down. I want to thank Emily for continuing this board so long after her withdrawal. I will not want to even be thinking about pills by then. It took me a long time and reading many threads before I found this one.

I don't think tramadol is evil like some people have posted. It got me through my pain without the "high" feeling. I just have found alternative pain relief,. I see no reason to remain dependent and every reason to go off.

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by 1footfwrd, Dec 29, 2013
Well, everyone seems to be off having their holidays. But I'll keep posting.

Negatives: took a long time to get to sleep last night. Didn't want to take more than one dihenhydramine.

Positives: I'm able to pooh after those two days I was taking 2 imodium every four daytime hours. I wasn't hurting from the constipation, but am glad things are back to processing. Urination is also freer the fewer tramadol you take. Hope I'm not being gross. It's less icky than some stuff on some other forums I just read, blech.

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by madtram, Dec 29, 2013
Hi Emily, just stopping by to send you blessings for 2014 & thank you for providing this great space which saw me through some tough times.

Keep on battling tramadol warriors, the goal is so worth it.

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by EmilyPost, Dec 29, 2013
Hi MadTram!  Blessings back Sweetheart.  :)

1footforward I'm glad to hear you are on the road to recovery.  :)

Love you guys ... don't worry.  You'll get to 100% recovered I promise.  

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by Kylie4501, Dec 29, 2013
Hey everyone,

I am 69 days clean!!! I am very proud of myself!!

Ever since I quit tramadol, my eyes have been red and irritated. I have never had problems before. I assumed it was the toxins coming out of my body, but it has been 69 days. When will it go away? Is this common with Tramadol detox or should I go see an eye doc? It is VERY annoying!!

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by 1footfwrd, Dec 30, 2013
Kylie: congratulations! I would go to the eye doctor about your eyes. I doubt it has to do with the tramadol. I've been reading and reading on these forums, and nobody has mentioned that. It didn't happen to me when I did a cold turkey a long time ago. Sometimes they run during withdrawal, but not that long afterward. Maybe it's an allergy, but you should check it out.

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by 1footfwrd, Dec 30, 2013
On my third day having stepped down to four a day and doing fine. I hope this method saves me the worst of the horrid physical stuff. We shall see.

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by caretown, Dec 30, 2013
2 weeks down....a lifetime to go. What's PAWS?  (Ok - I know I need to get off my butt and google it. Sometimes I think researching too much starts making me think things are worse then they are....know what I mean? ) I'm guessing PAWS is the massive boredom, nervous/anxious, feeling like someone sucked the color from your life. Like debbie downer from Saturday Night Live.

It's like I am like a child relearning how to do everything without the babydolls. Grocery shopping/working out/work/nights to myself (those are the hard ones). Without the dolls I have to push myself to get things done - with the dolls I had to push myself to stay focused to get things done( I was sooo scatterbrained!!). Its hard both ways - but without the trams I'm on a better path, with them things were just going down hill (harder to focus, harder to succeed, harder to keep my promises) at least I know things are going to get better.  Time to deal with things like a normal functioning human. <-- Why does that sound so hard?

I started talking to my family again last week. I was so ashamed of what I had become (they didn't/don't know) that I avoided them at all costs - now I'm calling them. Going to be a good daughter/mother/friend/partner.

Good luck all. Let's do this, we can do it....I can do it.










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by forget_me_not, Dec 30, 2013
Hi Emily, MadTram and others… just wanted to stop in and say "Thank you" to Emily for continuing this beautiful place of healing, and to let everyone know that YES, you CAN get free from the tramadevil, and you will!  With support, determination, and faith that things will get better, you will.  Believe all of us who have gone down the same road you are on.  It does get better, and you will be just fine.

Stay strong, come here and ask for help when you need it, and never lose sight of your goal…freedom and life.

love and blessings,
~forget_me_not (former tramadol prisoner)

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by forget_me_not, Dec 30, 2013
Caretown, you pretty much nailed PAWS.  It is complicated and apparently doesn't affect everyone, but for some of us, it's an SOB.  Low- to mid-level depression, general feelings of emptiness and strangeness, temper flares, memory problems, inability to cope with emotions. These symptoms vary, and not everyone experiences them.  For many people, it's best described as "the whispers" - the memory, perhaps, or some aspect of the habitual use of the drug (or whatever one is addicted to).  And it can cause slips, so it's best to beware.  You might experience some depression as your brain and body readjust and find equilibrium after being bombarded for so long with such a powerful SSNRI drug.  You may feel fatigue out of nowhere, but it won't last long.  You may even have memory lapses that frighten you.  Take heart…many of us have been through the same thing.  It will end, and you will be stronger and better.  Just be prepared, so that if it does happen, it doesn't scare you back to the poison.

Take care, and many blessings to you as you reclaim yourself.
~fmn

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by sad_lou, Jan 01, 2014
I have only stumbled across these posts 24hrs ago. I went cold turkey 23 days ago from tramadol. I thought once the irritable, heavy leg symptoms subsided,  that was me off the evil drugs! I have the most uncontrollable rages, lack of enthusiasm, depressed days :-( I knew that there must be something wrong. I was beginning to accept that maybe I am just a miserable, moody horrible person! My partner has left twice. I have no interest in my childrens activities. I can't remember the last time I actually enjoyed anything... I am scared of whats still to come

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by EmilyPost, Jan 01, 2014
Sad Lou welcome ... how much tramadol were you taking and for how long?  Your symptoms sound very normal, the withdrawal is brutal.


ForgetMeNot A super big hug for you Hon!

Everyone else you fight on ok?  Don't let tramadol be your master.  

Love and Healing,
Em

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by sad_lou, Jan 01, 2014
I was diagnosed with a herniated disc in April, so about 8 months. I was taking 8 50mg tablets a day. And I gradually got them down to 2, then 1, now none. What I am most scared of is this horrid rage that seems to come from nowhere! I like many, have no desire to even leave the house. I don't dress nice or feel particularly nice. My partner says that I am just trying to find something to blame my moods on... but now, after reading through your journals. I am convinced its the dreaded pills

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by EmilyPost, Jan 01, 2014
The rage is coming from the activation of the Limbic System.  A deep primitive part of our brains regulate rage, hunger, scent ...  You can use fragrance to interrupt it.  Epsom salt baths to detox.  b-12 sublingual tablets to stabilize mood and keep that burnout feeling away.  Honey to stabilize and give you energy.

I have two herniated discs and S1 neuropathy from it.  It's awful, but over time some heal up nicely.

Your partner is mistaken, tramadol withdrawal causes serious mood disorders.

I hope you have found a few things that help ease these effects.  

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by EmilyPost, Jan 01, 2014
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73599

This is a good thread on PAWS, along with suggestions to help ease it.  I agree with most of what this says ... helpful!

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by allinblack, Jan 03, 2014
For those of you worried about PAWS.... the depression, the anxiety, lack of enthusiasm, lack of energy, rage, emotions, depersonalization, nerve pains, weird feelings on the body, hopelessness, the idea it will never end, suicide ideation etc... It DOES get better.  maybe not overnight, but slowly,one by one, things ease up.  I remember feeling pretty hopeless at 6 months, then in the next few months, things started getting easier. I really believed I was the one person who was going to be stuck in the badness... the one who never recovered.  Permanently broken.  I never thought I would be able to come on here and say I was better.

You have to give it time, especially if you took a high amount or for a long time.  Your brain is trying to make new connections around the "damage".  Think of people recovering from a stroke or physical injury.  They have to have rehab.  Essentially, this is where we are.. in rehabilitation.. and in rehab you have to stick with it or it doesn't work.  Your brain is very powerful.  It wants to work right.

One thing that has really helped my cognition is puzzle games.. or number games.  Or brain exercises on Lumosity.  Also, word puzzles, crosswords an the like.  I would try a variety.  The brain loves learning new tasks and taking on challenges.  The brain wants to work.  It get's very bored.

Good luck!  I'm almost at 10 months!  I am so happy!

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by allinblack, Jan 03, 2014
Oh, @Kylie4501... the eyes!  

Yes, I started having eye issues when I started my taper.

I have had dry burning eyes.  I've never had to use eye drops in my life, but I have had to up until recently.  I was having issues with blurry vision when I would have my withdrawal flashbacks, but that's not happening much anymore.

Also, I am having issues with seeing flashes in the corners of my eyes when they are closed and I look back and forth.  I know there are conditions that can cause this, I never had issues until I started tapering last January.  It goes away if I have a couple of drinks.  Weird.

I did read somewhere that antidepressant withdrawals can cause eye issues like the ones I have described.  I really feel that is the nasty part of this drug withdrawal... the SNRI.

Nonetheless, I am going to see the eye Dr soon.

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by cali_soleil, Jan 03, 2014
Kylie and allinblack-

I see "flashes" or "sparks" in the corner of my eyes. Mostly at night. Not always. It seems to come and go. But no pain with it. My eyes are red and dry but nothing I can't handle.
I'm dealing with the PAWS now ..the depression, the anxiety, lack of enthusiasm, lack of energy, rage, emotions, depersonalization, nerve pains, weird feelings on the body, hopelessness, the idea it will never end, suicide ideation etc. ... big time.! I feel like all I'm doing is WAITING. I hate it.
Reading .. and RE-reading here helps me tremendously.
It's comforting to know I'm not alone and it WILL get better.
I hope everyone is doing alright. It's been a while since I've seen a lot of you post. Especially those who are good at putting their feelings down in typed words.

:::waterview let me hear from you!:::

:::KC where are you?:::


caretown and forget_me_not and sad_lou ---- Stay strong! You can do it. I know you can!

When you feel weak and hate the world... come here and read. And re-read if you have to.  It takes time. I hate hearing that. Time drags. It feels like you're never gonna get better. But you will. I promise.

-Karen


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by cali_soleil, Jan 03, 2014
I forgot my ticker!

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by forget_me_not, Jan 04, 2014
Go, Cali!  At 61 days, I remember the PAWS being pretty rotten.  I felt okay a lot of the time, just okay, you know?  But then, out of the blue, some kind of wave of depression or anger would wipe me out.  I did not know how to handle it, so I stayed here and wrote and read and shared and let others help assure me it would get better.  That was in 2009, and I can say that it definitely gets better!  Some people say things like "don't make any major decisions for six months after stopping," which is probably good advice, but that suggests it will end abruptly and all will be well at six months.  It may not take nearly that long for you.  For me it took a bit longer.  We are all healing, though, and there will come a day, very soon, when you are sitting some place quiet and you just realize out of the blue that it's gone.  Just like that.  And while it may revisit you for short periods of time, those will get fewer and farther between until it stays gone.

Hang in there, warriors.  It's hard, but you will be okay.  I promise.

~fmn (clean 4 years Sept 2013)

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by KC67, Jan 04, 2014
Thanks for all of the recent posts.  They really help and uplift me.

I am now close to being 7 months clean of this awful drug.

I come to this site almost daily, but most times I feel so badly that I don't have much positive to say, that I don't post anything.  Also, I find it terribly difficult to write when I feel this way.

At almost 7 months out, I am still struggling.  I was absolutely dreading the holidays and am so relieved that they are over.  I was super busy - like almost every day I had someone to visit, something to do, or something to cook.  I don't  advise overdoing yourself in any part of this withdrawal.  Anyway, I ended up completely falling apart on Christmas Eve - like locked in the bathroom sobbing my eyes out so my kids and husband wouldn't know.  I think all of my busy-ness caught up with me and just hit me like a ton of bricks on Christmas Eve.  It was so sad.

The good news is that I am beginning to see signs of major improvement.  I still have the daily morning dread and anxiety, but each week it seems to be lessening S L O W L Y.  

Cali_Soleil, your post was so accurate and the waiting - omgosh -  the existing - day by day is so very tiring.  I also have random bouts of anger.  I recently got in a fight with my sister and said some really mean things.  Afterwards, I just cried and said, "Who was that???"

I used this evil drug for 10 years at varyingly high doses each day.  Then I would quit for a few days thinking that I was giving my brain and body a break - only to start right back up again because the withdrawals were unbearable.  Lord knows what I did to my brain with all the attempted quits, and mini 2-3 day quits.  So, I have to believe that this is taking longer for me.  Also, I am in my late 40's so perhaps my brain just doesn't snap back to normal like it used to when I was younger.

I still feel intense sadness at times.  And hopeless at times.  But not as often as I did in the early months.  I have to force myself to think positive thoughts because it doesn't take much for me to beat myself up mentally and convince myself that I am the worst mom and human being ever.   And how in the heck did someone like me get so far into this addiction?  How did I allow this to happen?  

I have to force myself to extend grace.  I am not a bad person and I want desperately to get the old KC back.  The one who was happy and loved getting up in the morning.  The one who didn't need a pill just to get through the day.  The one who cared about her family and others -  and life.  I know she is still in there somewhere.  I just have to continue to extend myself the grace and time to heal.

Time...it's my worst enemy right now.  

I love all of you and pray for your continued healing off of this evil drug.

Sincerely with love,
kc

p.s.  Madtram - so wonderful to see you back.  You, Emily, and FinallyFred were such a light to me the first time I quit several years ago.  Are you completely back to normal now?  I remember you were fearing you had chronic fatigue syndrome.  I hope all of that has disappeared with the tramadol.  And Forget Me Not, I remember you too.  You are such a sweetheart.  Thank you.

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by forget_me_not, Jan 05, 2014
KC, my goodness!  I can relate to everything you said.  Every single word.

For any lurkers who may be reading these posts and come across this thread on PAWS, let me say very clearly -- I am four years clean, and post-acute withdrawal is a reality, but NOT something that you need to be afraid of so much that it keeps you from getting clean.  PAWS is a reality for some of us, not all of us.  However, even though we may struggle with some drawn-out weirdness, in no way should that discourage you from quitting.  Even with PAWS, life is immeasurably better than it was while I was taking the pills.

KC, I think you and I might have a lot in common.  It took me a long time, too, for the pendulum to stop swinging and settle in the middle.  Weeks and weeks, as Emily and Fred said.  More like months and months.  I had the outbursts of anger, the crying, the feelings of anxiety, the insomnia that came and went, and the feeling that everything was over, and I was just waiting.  But not all the time. Those feelings were punctuated by little "previews" of what life would be like post-withdrawal, once I reached equilibrium again, or as close to it as I was going to get.  I had major depression prior to taking tramadol, though.

Emily recommended a book in a previous thread and I read it.  It's called "Facing the Fire" -- I forget the author's name -- but it's about dealing with internalized anger.  I didn't realize how much I had suppressed anger throughout my life, and much of what I was experiencing during PAWS was that anger bubbling up.  When I was growing up, throughout my teenage years and into adulthood, there were quite a few things (I won't get into them here) that happened and I did not resolve my anger about those events.  Also, on top of that, I realized that I had not grieved several losses, either.  Instead of going through the grief or dealing with the anger, I took a pill.  I cried now and then, but I took a pill and carried on and did not grieve or get mad.  Of course, that catches up with you as well.  So my story was complicated, the anger and grief were sometimes too much to handle.  But I kept reading, kept coming here and seeing the words on the screen from others who said they experienced the same thing, and that if I kept going, it would get better.  

As Winston Churchill said, "If you're going through hell, keep going."  I thought of those words a lot.  Just keep going, one step at a time.  Your brain will recover.  You will experience joy and energy and vibrance again.  You WILL, KC.  You will be happy and enjoy getting up in the morning again.  Just give it a bit more time.  ((((KC))))

Peace, warriors.
~fmn

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by Kylie4501, Jan 08, 2014
Hey everyone,

I am 79 days clean today and it feels so good!!

I have to be very careful though because I catch myself thinking about the pills and how nice it would be to just "try a few". NOOOOO! Then I remind myself of how far I have come and how horrible the w/d's were. I am feeling pretty decent these days but wonder if the PAWS is starting. I still have rage episodes and have been feeling pretty down lately. It is mostly because I have gained quite a bit of weight since I gave birth to my daughter 4 months ago. I have never been this heavy. I ate so many snacks while on Maternity leave and it now just caught up to me. I feel disgusting everyday and I never want to dress nice. I come home from work and put on baggy clothes right away. I am in a slump and need to be very careful and get out of this.

I just joined weight watchers online and I have been doing good the last week. I think I replaced the pills with food and now it takes everything in me not to go get a snack or drink a soda. I have not had a soda or snack in three days and I feel great so I know if I start eating healthier, that my moods and recovery will go faster. My eyes are still red and irritated so I think I am going to make an apt with an eye doctor.

I have 2 kids under two so I am pretty busy which I feel helps me out. I really don't have time to feel depressed or think about pills too much. I just know if I can lose some weight I will feel much better. I need to start taking better care of myself!! It is so nice to talk with people who KNOW how I feel and what I am going through. Stay strong!!

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by caretown, Jan 08, 2014
Day 23 Tram Free......

Things are so much better. The random anxiety the first couple of weeks was almost unbearable now I'm actually starting to feel like a normal functioning human - laughed today for the longest time with a friend. I was taking tram for 5 years, at the end I was up to 6/50mg a day. Forcing myself to workout and get out of the house (even if it's just to the grocery store) even starting to resemble myself again.

For you all that have recovered - what do you do for pain now? I got stuck on the tram ride because of my back and now I'm tram free but don't know what to do about the pain. IT HURTS AND BUMS ME OUT - HELP.  It's worse than I remember -  daily now and 5 years ago it was on and off. I'm taking Advil and Tylenol daily and not getting any relief. Scared to go to Dr. cause I don't want them to dope me up again....is there any type of prescription med that will help the pain and not get me dependent? Non-Narcotic recommendations pretty please.

Hope everyone is doing well. :)      

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by i_will_do_it, Jan 09, 2014
First day here..its been 8 years...and knowing that tramadol is going to be a controlled substance in june 2014..made me start researching tapering off tramadol slowly...then i ended up here..i am glad there are others i can talk to about this and i am not alone!! i need to end the madness now!!!

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by i_will_do_it, Jan 09, 2014
http://www.choosehelp.com/topics/detox/ultram-detox-tramadol-withdrawal-pains.html    i was reading this link and somehow ended up here.

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by waterview4326, Jan 13, 2014
Hello My Tramadol Friends

   I turned my computer on yesterday and I was surprised at the PM's I received. I have not been on much since Christmas due to some family issues that have been weighing on me.  I am still sober and in the battle to get to the other side. Unfortunately getting sober has been sobering to say the least for me. I just wanted to thank those who were checking on me, very very sweet. I have a lot on my plate right now and as soon as I feel I can get it together I will be on to post some. To anyone reading through all of this I am still greatful to be off trams, a clear mind I have for sure now. The journey has been slow and long but I am greatful to have a safe place here. I thank all of you for checking on me, I am doing well in my sobriety, now if I can just get my life the way I want to LOL!!!!! I guess it is all a work in progress. I will be posting very soon

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by i_will_do_it, Jan 14, 2014
In two weeks I have tapered down to 150 mgs a day ...i was at 450 mgs a day...3 in the morning 3 5 hours later and three 5 hours later...now i am at 1 ... 1.... 1....I have to say something i think is helping is that i got a nutrabullet...no , this is not a plugin for it, but i have to say..doing nutrablasts every morning with the greens and fruits and maca powder and goji berries has helped tremendously!!!  i tink i am going to remain at one 50mg for another week and start cutting them in half and doing that another two weeks, then fourths...and so on!!! feeling fine right now. its amazing, because i have felt withdrawals from this before and this time, they are not so bad...prayers and hope for everyone!!


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by traumadoll, Jan 24, 2014
Here's the deal. I've been lurking. I've been a slave, literally, a slave to tramadol for over a decade of my life now. I have worked myself up to 350-400mg daily and have been sitting at that dose for over a year now. I typically use 100mg to start the morning, then work my way up to usually 400mg by evening time. I wake up every morning with intense withdrawal until I take first dose. I have had such a love affair with this drug for the past ten years that what is about to happen scares me to death. Granted, I have been through withdrawal before, but it seems so much more intense these days. I flushed the rest of my tablets last night. Refill is not allowed until later next week. Look, the deal is, I'm done. I will admit, I have a few Norco (hydrocodone/APAP) laying around and began to feel intensely uncomfy a couple of hours ago and started using the Norco. Stupid decision. Good thing is, after using these, no opioids will be available tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day, and so on. I am scared to death of the withdrawal. From what I remember they are brutal, and I have been forced into it in the past. Never made it all the way through the WD process before more tram was picked up at the pharmacy. This time, I am more determined. I can't live like this anymore. I am currently on unemployment and must find a good job soon. Because I am unreliable with this dependency running my life. Highly reliable on the tram, but running out early happens a lot. And what happens? Terribly sick. Therefore, I am not reliable with this current pendulum of tramadol dependency and addiction. Just wanted to get started on here. I will create a ticker tomorrow. I am tram-free today, however the hydrocodone is pausing the withdrawal for now. The real battle begins tomorrow.

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by forget_me_not, Jan 25, 2014
Traumadoll, welcome, and please share your experiences as openly and freely as you are comfortable with.  We've been there, we understand, and we are going to support you and help you as you break free from the poison.  I like the slavery metaphor, by the way.  Isn't it the truth?

You can go back and read some of Emily's former journal strands and get a wealth of information from others who have gone down the path before you.  You can benefit from their experiences, their discoveries, and most of all, their successes.  Also you are most welcome to my journal, which contains a few entries I wrote during my post-tramadol withdrawal period.  I wanted to put it down in the hope that it would help someone else.  You may find some comfort and helpful info there.  Mostly, just read through old posts and share, share, share here when you can.  It's not easy, nobody will tell you it's easy.  It may be the hardest thing you will ever do.  But it is worth it.  I'm tramadol free now since 2009, and came from a dose even higher than yours.  You can do it, and it's so worth the temporary pain and discomfort.  

love and peace, warriors…
~fmn

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by KC67, Jan 30, 2014
Today is my birthday and I am almost 8 months FREE of the evil drug called "Tramadol".  I say "free" because I too was a former slave to these pills - you absolutely speak the truth Traumadoll.

I have been waiting - sometimes just existing - day by day by day - to feel better and to be able to come on here and post that I am finally better.

Well, Today is the day!  

To give you a quick recap about my journey, I was addicted to Tramadol for the past 10 years before I found Emily's journal.  My first time quitting was back in 2009.  I only made it to about 67 days before I relapsed.  From 2009 to 2013, I began a roller coaster ride of quitting/relapsing.  I relapsed so many times I lost count.   Every time I would convince myself that I was better on trams and that they helped me and that I really wasn't a slave to them.  

I finally quit for good on June 3, 2013 and now know I will never take another tramadol again.

I am sure that part of my recent overall feeling of well being is due to the amount of time I have away from my last pill (i.e.  8 months).  But I wanted to share something that really made a difference for me.

I recently saw a movie called "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead" (website:  RebootWithJoe.com) and I recently read a book called "Awakening" by Stovall Weems.  Both the movie and the book were about the benefits of fasting.  At first, I thought, "I could NEVER EVER fast.  No way!  Not for me.”  I love food too much - especially carbs, breads, and wine.  But both the book and movie intrigued me enough to cause me to ponder fasting.

I am not fat, sick or nearly dead, but I have gained 20 pounds since quitting Tramadol.  I don't know what tram withdrawal does to our brains, but for me, I could not get enough junk food, carbs, breads, and sweets after I quit - hence the 20 lb. weight gain.  I remember reading that tram is stored in our fat cells and my fat cells were screaming daily to be inflated with all the junk I was putting into my body.

Anyway, a few weeks ago, I decided to give fasting a try.  I was wondering if the fast would clean out / detox my fat cells and get rid of the remaining tramadol once and for all.  I mean, here I was almost 8 months clean and still feeling the blah/ doom & gloom/ sadness every single day.  Yes, it had gotten better since in the early withdrawal days, but it was still a dark, heaviness that I couldn't seem to shake.   So, I thought, "What do I have to lose?  It can't get any worse".  I figured worst case scenario:   I will lose a few of these unwanted pounds.

Since this is my first fast, I decided not to go 100% fresh vegetable juice (like Joe did in the movie), but instead I eliminated carbs (breads, pasta, rice), fast food, junk food, sweets, dairy, and alcohol.  So basically I am only eating lean protein (3 servings/day), Fresh vegetables (3-4x/day), and fresh fruit (2x/day).  Oh!  And lots of water (which I hardly ever drank).

The day before I started, I was scared to death.  It reminded me of the day before I quit tramadol.  Pure fear.  Deprivation is not fun - especially when I was cutting out all the stuff I Ioved!  But this dark tram cloud that has been hanging over my head was not fun either.  I had to give it a try.

So here I am about 2 1/2 weeks into my fast.  The first week was tough.  I had random headaches, minor shakes, and irritability.  The second week was way better.  And now I am halfway through the 3rd week, and I have to tell you - I am feeling so much better.  

I have lost 11 pounds and I do not wake with the doom/gloom/hopeless feeling anymore.  My sleep and energy level has improved dramatically.  I still have the same problems that I had before - nothing has changed.  But I feel so much better physically and emotionally that I don't want to turn to a pill or alcohol or any substance to help me cope.  I feel normal again.  Happy.  I thought I would never get here.

Fasting may not be for everyone, so I just encourage you to research it and check with your doctor before you try it.  Also, it may not be a good thing in early withdrawal as your body may need the extra nutrition and calories.

I wish everyone the best.  This is one beast of a journey - definitely the most difficult thing I have ever had to overcome.  

Sincerely with love,

kc


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by hjayne, Feb 06, 2014
Hi Everyone,

I just want to share my story so you who are struggling can see the hope and know recovery can happen...and that you can fall down again and still get up. Tramadol is truly terrible and soooo much worse than people seem to know. I recently had a small relapse and am again off of it again. But my original ordeal with t was awful. I was on it for 3 years gradually building to 10 a day. I was having kidney problems and uti infections as a result. I was incredibly skinny which I loved, but I was a zombie and just wanted to be alone and high too much of the time. I know everyone knows that feeling of just wanting to have your t and no distractions. I went cold turkey and it took a year till I felt normal. I don't mean that to discourage anyone...it is definitely worth it...even though it often does not feel worth it when going through the worst of withdrawal. I struggled a lot to recover. The t made me feel more outgoing at times...more cheerful...but also constantly needing it like a complete junkie. And I did not have a history of addiction or drug abuse before this. I recently was really upset about some personal things and started again (after 5 years without) and had mild but crummy withdrawal the past few days. I was only taking 2 or 3 a day for about a month, but that was enough to know it would only get much, much worse if I didn't stop. I had a doctor recommend them to me for tmj pain, and wasn't strong enough to resist filling the script even though I should have known better (like I said, I was having personal issues and really struggling so I was weak). Luckily after such a short period and not a ton of pills per day it is seeming manageable. But that is why I am back to Emilypost! If you are in deep like I was back 5 years ago (for 3 years) please know that you can get through it and please be aware that you always need to be on the constant watch for moments of weakness and that falling back into it is soooo not worth it! The thing that is the most creepy for me is the familiar withdrawal symptoms of complete lackluster and lack of energy and the horrible sweats and totally "off" and disgusting sense of smell. It is familiar from the last time I went through withdrawal and just awful!!!! And the sad vanity-pleasing weight loss became possible to me without t by doing the dukan diet and exercise. I am not AS skinny, but I was too skinny at the height of my t addiction...I was skeletal. Now I am normal weight. I don't have great tips for withdrawal...it just took time. Sorry. :( I think hot baths helped a bit. It is just that NOTHING is worth the withdrawals from this horrible drug and you simply can't keep on it forever. You just need more and more to not feel withdrawal and eventually it will kill your body and mind.

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by james22778, Feb 08, 2014
I've taken tramadol for a little over four years usually six with my coffee in the morning then four at lunch then another five or six around five or six in the evening quiting is the easy part I've done that a hundred times staying quit is the hard part I've had 16 operations over the past few years and I have arthritis so bad I can't hardly move untill I have my morning dose I know I'll have to take something probably for the rest of my life but taking as much as I do can't be good for you every time is cut back on my dose I can't sleep and I'm freezing one minute and sweating the next and I have this feeling in my stomach like I'm missing something or lost something very important I think that's anxiety is their anything out their that would give me my sleep back I can deal with the other stuff it's the not sleeping is what drives me crazy and brings me back to taking more any help will be greatly appreciated

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by james22778, Feb 16, 2014
Did I post on a dead thread

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by booba77, Feb 17, 2014
No James,.apparently its just really quiet here lately.

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by james22778, Feb 17, 2014
Oh ok that's fine

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by booba77, Feb 18, 2014
I'm right there with you James. Cant taper, petrified of the withdrawals. Desperately need to do something

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by james22778, Feb 18, 2014
I can not stand the no sleeping and that funny feeling in my stomach I got to do something I know it can't be good for you what have you tried or done in the past that helped you

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by booba77, Feb 19, 2014
Take gaba for brain zaps, imodium for tummy issues, and google Thomas recipe. That should help. Are you totally out or tapering?

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by flippers, Feb 19, 2014
I hope this doesn't get deleted, because I really hate to see people suffering from what I believe to be the worst part of wd (lack of sleep), but the high dose loparamide (immodium) trick worked for me with very little lost sleep during my cold turkey wd. Makes going through wd much easier and I have quit ct without lop before, so I know the difference, and for me, it definitely helped considerably.

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by james22778, Feb 19, 2014
Booba77 and flippers thanks for the advice I'll try it I'm still tapering if u call it that how are u today

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by booba77, Feb 19, 2014
Take gaba for brain zaps, imodium for tummy issues, and google Thomas recipe. That should help.

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by booba77, Feb 19, 2014
Sorry I didn't realize I had already posted

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by james22778, Feb 19, 2014
Hey it's perfectly ok

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by james22778, Feb 20, 2014
Just wondering how everyone is doing

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by james22778, Feb 20, 2014
Just wondering how everyone is doing

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by allinblack, Feb 22, 2014
The Immodium did take the edge of the WDs in the early days!!!  It was almost instant relief.  I only used it a couple of times though.

I'm doing very well.  Not perfect... but better than I was last year at this time.  I was in my taper and I thought I was going crazy or going to die.

I am feeling more myself as the days go on.  I do have my bad days... but I also have fibromyalgia.  Not sure which is which.

Will get back to you all when I have more time.

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by allinblack, Feb 22, 2014
I almost cried when I saw my ticker.  I cannot believe I made it this far!  I never thought i could do this.  What a bumpy ride this has been.

Almost a year!!!!!!!!

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by james22778, Feb 22, 2014
Congratulations to u

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by tramadolhelp, Feb 27, 2014
I need help, I am on day 7 of no tramadol with the help of other meds but none now just natural and I do not feel any better. I can barely eat. Please help.

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by tramadolhelp, Feb 27, 2014
I took it for about 3 years, usually 12 a day and I am determined to fight but I need help. I havent been to work in 1 week.

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by EmilyPost, Feb 27, 2014
Tramadolhelp I am copying and pasting a reply I made back in 2013 to a member here who was quitting ...  I think you can get some tips. The main thing is you can't stop eating ...  an Epsom salt bath and some soup ...

hang on let me find this ..

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by EmilyPost, Feb 27, 2014


If I were doing it all over again, I'd take the following to the cabin in the woods with me.

b12 sublinguals.  Under the tongue absorption is 90% as effective as a b12 injection

Nyquil ... generic works fine too.

Honey ... believe it or not this was invaluable. I used to carry the sticks you put in tea in my purse and snack on one when I felt the "I am going to die or freakout" creepy tram w/d

Chamomille Tea

Soup of choice ... I liked chicken noodle

Saltines

Little crunchy salty snacks .. pretzels maybe

applesauce

You can bring Immodium AD ... the generic helps. If your belly is killing you ... (we have GABA receptors in our guts) ... you may need this but people try to avoid taking it as it'll slow the detox

I hope there's a bathtub ... warm bath and Epsom salts really help

GABA supplements ... lots of controversy about GABA supplements but some here have said they stopped the brain zaps

Passionflower for anxiety

Skullcap for anxiety ... I ordered my suppliments from Swansons Vitamins online  ... I like them.

Loved Bach's Rescue Remedy, the liuid dropper one.

There's a tea by celestial seasonings called Tension Tamer that I loved ... very helpful

Ginger tea (I love Lipton Ginger Twist) and ginger ale for nausea

pudding? Jello? Some soft foods

Some kind of beverage that is very easy to drink ... gatorade ..  Water plain may hurt your tummy
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Panthotenic Acid for Jaw pain and muscular relaxation

Melatonin for sleep but you might not sleep for ... awhile ... don't worry about not sleeping.  People don't die from not sleeping.  Just stay occupied. I couldn't read, but I could watch TV and obviously I could write ...

Ben Gay or Biofreeze

Pain patches like Salon Pas

Ice packs

Heat packs ... theraheat pads work well ... they last 8-12 hours and you can shuffle them around as things ache

Electric heating pad ... I put this on my belly ... it helped with stomach pain

an electric throw is nice ... cause you'll be cold and then too hot

Soft clothes ... to change into cause you'll sweat thru your clothes

Tons of movies ... comedies ... not a good time for Schindler's List ... although make no mistake Tramadol will tell you to watch tragedies.  It's an evil asshat of a drug and just basically wants you dead ... so do not listen to that Tramadol voice.  You'll recognize its voice.  "You need me just take one you can't live without me ... you should just give up this is too hard."  Liar.  It's a liar.

It's great your wife will come and help you ... it's going to suck and it will be nicer if she is there.  It's like the worst flu you've ever had but it is time limited,.  3 days of really bad ... ten 4 days of less bad. Then no energy and lots of acting as if for ... awhile.  It took me much longer than I wanted it to.

I would be happier if your Doc had also given you a few pills to help the withdrawal like one of the Benzos.  But I understand why they don't want to. I had Klonopin still when I came off and I am glad I did. I'm with the Thomas Opiate w/d theory.  They can help when you are super freakazoid.  I also used a beta blocker ... for blood pressure ...propananol.  It helped.  Was good when my heart felt like it was going so fast i was going to explode.  I feel like getting thru the first few days is probably what it feels like to be possessed by a demon.  But sweatier and grosser maybe.


I hope this helps.  Be comforted that you will be able to soothe yourself if you can prepare yourself a bit for the storm that is coming.  Right now I am sure Tramadol is telling you that you don't need to quit ... that you're better while on it and that you have more energy cause it is a cunning lair.   It is going to be ok, but really do as the Boyscouts say and Be Prepared.

Also.  When it gets really hard ... Get mad and go to War.  Really wen you think about it ... Tramadol hasn't played fair with you so ... kill it off ... murder it and stomp on its grave. That attitude helped me not ... die and the men on MedHelp who have been veterans really taught me that attitude and it helped!

Lots of love.

Thank you all for the kindness you show me and each other. It means so much to me that we all have this place.  

Em

PS. I know I have forgotten stuff so anyone else if you remember shout it out ... what helped in that first week ...


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by tramadolhelp, Feb 28, 2014
Thank you so much Emily. I am wide awake at 1am, cannot sleep. Just want this all to end so I can be a mom again.

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by james22778, Mar 02, 2014
How's everyone doing

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by tramadolhelp, Mar 03, 2014
Anyone out there? Day 11 and still feel terrible. Will this lift soon so I can function at work. I look terrible:(,

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by tramadolhelp, Mar 03, 2014
Anyone out there? Day 11 and still feel terrible. Will this lift soon so I can function at work. I look terrible:(,

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by booba77, Mar 07, 2014
I'm sorry thelp, but that sounds pretty normal. Give it 30 days and you should be feeling a lot better. Be sure to take b12 and vitamins

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by booba77, Mar 07, 2014
I'm sorry thelp, but that sounds pretty normal. Give it 30 days and you should be feeling a lot better. Be sure to take b12 and vitamins

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by gizmo986, Mar 07, 2014
Can tramadol, after being on for 3 yrs., make pain worse? I take 150mg per day, and my pain seems to be getting worse.

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by lostveteran, Mar 10, 2014
Well today is my day 2 of cold turkey tramadol withdrawal. I HATE this drug. I have been taking it for nearly three years and I go through this withdrawal every month. This is the last time I have finally had enough. I have never had to buy the pills I get them through the VA and get them every month. I also run out every month which has helped to show me that I am an addict. I have let them control me for too long and I am ready to stop.
I have one thing that I am concerned about at this point. I did what I always do and pushed the little button on the computer to get them refilled and now they will be here in about two weeks. I know by then I will feel much better than I do right now, and I just pray that I can remember how crappy I feel right now so I do not take them but throw them out. If I can do this then I know I can beat this forever. Every month when I go through this I think man this ***** I wish I had them but oh well they will be here soon enough. Not this month I am done. I spent my first two days last month sitting in a chair crying while my two beautiful boys asked me what was wrong I just told them mommy was having a bad day and they cried right along with me. I told myself I would never do that to them again and yet here I am at least I am alone and crying. I have to muster up enough energy to help on my sons field trip today and all I can think is I hope I don't start crying.
Well I am going to make myself get up and work out. I know I can do this I just have to continue to read these posts and have faith that I can throw away these things I HATE so very much.

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by allinblack, Mar 10, 2014
@gizmodo986  YES! Definitely yes!  Which is one of the reasons I quit!  I had a feeling that the meds were causing problems.  It also caused high blood pressure.  Now, these issues are gone... however, I am back to dealing with my fibromyalgia.. but I am able to manage it sooooo much better than before taking stupid tramadol.

Well, everyone, today is my one year off tram anniversary.  I did it!!!  I never thought this day would come.  A year seemed so far away.. esp the first few months off when time went by sooooo slowly.

I do have some aspects of normality these days.  That weird disassociation and suicide ideation, combined with extreme anxiety and depression have lifted.  I have little problems here and there.  Brain zaps... occasional bad waves.  They are totally manageable. I was on the drugs for 12 years.  I know my brain still has a little adjusting to do.  I was a different person last year.  I have learned a lot this year.  I am happy to be where I am now.

It is possible guys!  I remember before I started my taper I broke down on my knees crying and praying for the strength to get off this medication.  I did not think it was possible.  I used to fantasize what it would be like to not have to depend on these pills.  I never thought it would be a reality. But finally, one day, the awful side effects were too much and I tapered until I couldn't take it anymore... down to half a tablet split in one day... and then just jumped.  I don't know if I did the right thing, but the taper just seemed to prolong the agony for me personally.

Here I am.... PROOF that getting off this medication IS possible and that I didn't end up in a nut house.  I am also proof that there is life after tram and things do get better!

All my best! Hang in there!!

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by tramadolhelp, Mar 10, 2014
Well.today is day 17, cant say im much better but a bit better, still have RLD, sleep.problems, very fatigued and the yukky sweats at night. Any idea when this will end? I had to take a valium to sleep last night.

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by dm3410, Mar 11, 2014
Well here i go again, trying to beat the trams again after so many withdrawal/relapse rollercoaster rides i think this is  the first time i posted since last July. So much has happened since than like my sister was found dead in her apartment, ive tried killing myself, so many fights with my girlfriend but I need off this crap so bad but practicly everything ive tried hasnt worked. I can go a few days but something just snaps in my brain that tells me to take a tramadol than it starts all over again. Ive tried tapering, cold turkey, other pain meds, loperamide, vitamins, amino acids. I attended an outpatient group therapy center for alcoholics and drug addicts. Even when i was in group i couldnt stop, id take some before and after group so i stopped going for now. I have 4 kids i have to be there for so i cant sign myself into some detox place for a month. My psychiatrist put me on xanax so now my mind feels foggier. I asked my dr. for some suboxone but said he wasnt qualified to prescribe it. Well anyway today is day 1 again. I hope everyone on here is doing good because it takes a strong person to beat this poison!!!

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by james22778, Mar 11, 2014
Dm

  Just take one day at a time  get through the now and worry about tomorrow when it gets their just remember it gets better I've tapered for months and I still am good luck to you

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by tramadolhelp, Mar 11, 2014
Had anybody taken xanax to call them and help sleep for this aweful tramadol withdrawl? My Doctor gave me some but will it just prolong this agony??

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by EmilyPost, Mar 11, 2014
It won't prolong the agony Sweetheart.  Just don't take those xanax for very long ... seriously less than 10 days if you can help it ...  Small use of benzos .(aka Xanax).. they don't work the same way the Tram does and won't impede the Tram leaving the building.

I'm sorry it hurts so bad.  Don't worry though ... it will pass and you will be ok.  Just try to stay as calm as you can.  When you can't sleep ...just close your eyes and try to breathe.

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by nic374, Mar 12, 2014
Ya I've had a vicodin addiction for 9 years I came off of them for almost a year when I was pregnant but always went back.here I am again taking meds I can't afford..  But does suboxne help short term. I have 4 kids and I am divorced both are parents have passed and my sister leaves out of state so I need to stay functioning I dont have anyone to help me out, but really hate taking these meds before I just tapered my self off.any ideas on the w/d medicine?

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by Sherri90049, Mar 12, 2014
Personally I'm not a fan of the Subutex. I did it and it took me nine months to stop that. The w/d meds are helpful, if you're referring to Clonidine and the like. I couldn't have gotten through it without that stuff. For me it's four years in May being off of Ultram/Tramadol. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. I had alot of support from my DH. That helped. Not sure what advice to give you. Do you want to be able to eventually stop any opioid painkillers? There is so much support on the internet on this site and a few others. During the hardest parts, those amazing folks got me through.

My biggest beef with the Suboxone/Subutex route is that they don't make pills small enough to really do a taper. The 1mg tab is still alot. I ended up taper by having a compounding pharmacy make it into smaller and smaller doses. I went down to about 1/16th of a mg and then stopped after that, I believe. The fact that they won't make anything smaller than 1mg makes me think they want everyone to stay addicted to it. Just my two cents. I wish you all the best whatever route you decide to go!

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by DonRet, Mar 13, 2014
I am new here, although i have been battling addiction for around 3-4 years now, it makes me sick to even say that considering where I was before.  

Initially I got hooked on tramadol because I used it for pain and had no idea how much it felt like stronger opiates. I got addicted to the rush and motivation it gave me.  After about 3 months I knew I was addicted and got scared and was able to go C/T for about 3 weeks before relapsing.  It was much easier to detox back then, back before it really messed your life up. I knew back then that no one knew, and it hadn't really changed my life in anyway.

I made some poor decisions when I would take tramadol, I would spend money like it was nothing, and I even took a new job far away that I probably wouldn't of taken if it weren't for the influence of the drug. Tram made you feel like everything will be perfect.  However once I moved I had a bunch of remorse about my decision and it lead to almost like a very prolonged panic attack.  By this time I was taking adderall, which I had a script for, and the tramadol together just to numb the pain, but it made me a different person and I stopped doing things like working out and being social.  

Anyways, I ended up getting my former job back and I moved back, however people could tell something wasn't right and I got to the point where I didn't want to see people from my old gym or anything because of how self conscience I was about letting my body go.  My new job was pretty stressful and required me to travel every week to different locations and dealing with the local offices, so I was always afraid of running out while on the road and going through withdrawals.  By this point the tramadol did nothing, I could take 15 at a time and get nothing out of it.  I started ordering DHC which is a more powerful codeine off the internet.  The problem with this is that I had to wait for the overseas shipments so at least once every month or so I would be really down and out for a few days until they came in, I would take the tram to keep the pain away but mentally I couldn't get out of bed, and I was still taking adderall as well.

I am now at this stage where I don't know if depression is crippling me more than the drugs, I don't like leaving my house, I don't like seeing anyone, I just constantly think about how bad I have made things and how hard it will be to get my life back.  My job allows me to work from home but I just moved to a new team and that team isn't as flexible with the work from home, there have been a lot of days in which I wake up in this nervous mood and can't get myself up for work.

I have had a history of depression and I have had a couple episodes where I would freak out about nothing major but it would eat at me for weeks or even months, so bad that I couldn't concentrate and would wake up feeling sick.  I think I am making this situation out to be much much worse than it is, although I know being hooked on these two drugs is bad enough, but if I am so weak mentally I don't know if I can't snap out of it even if I get clean.

I am curious if suboxone helps you mentally at all, are you able to think clearly like before you were on pills?  I know the horror stories of getting off sub, but I would almost rather have a constant script of sub instead of having to worry about trying to make sure I have enough pills because I have a big work project and having all these ups and downs. If I can get my life back mentally I think I can beat the withdrawals just like I was able to withdrawal off tramadol early on when I started taking it.  I just want to feel healthy and get back in the gym and build some confidence before I attempt another detox.  I have a great job that pays me a lot of money, if I lost that or quit to go to rehab it would probably make me even more depressed.  I am fine with an outpatient rehab but I feel so low mentally that I don't know if I am strong enough to stop without closing off the world and never leaving my bed.  I have been out of DHC since last Friday and I left my house once since then.

Sorry for the rambling, but I am sure you all know what its like.  I know I just need help, but I live in a small town so I don't have a lot of options that are close.  I have a pretty insane work schedule that is a major reason why I still rely on these pills, I can't afford to take time off because of project deadlines, plus I don't want everyone to know I am an addict.  

Oh, and my current dosage of DHC is around 1200mgs I just take at once during the day.

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by DonRet, Mar 13, 2014
My dosage of adderall is 25mgs and I take one daily.  I used to hate the adderall but when I mixed it with tramadol it took the jittery type feelings away and I still had an appetite.  The adderall makes the situation so much more difficult because I can't really stop them both at the same time because I feel really really bad.  But I don't know which I should try to detox from first.  Sometimes the adderall helps during opiate withdrawal, at least a little bit on the mental side but keeps me awake.  I wish I just had 3 months off with zero obligations, unfortunately thats not reality.  

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by dm3410, Mar 13, 2014
Today is day 3 for me. Im not experiencing any withdrawals at the moment probably due to getting a tooth pulled yesterday and got a small script for some norcos. Ive never had a problem getting off any other meds so i dont think thats gonna be a problem. Im prescribed xanax 1 mg twice a day so sleep is deffinetly not a problem. Dont really have much of an appetite but i try to eat as much protein as i can. Tonight i plan on going for a walk to get some exercise. Im just gonna worry about staying tram free one day at a time and worry about tomorrow or next week when it comes. Anyway just letting everyone know how im doing. Im gonna try to post more often to keep the tram thoughts from getting to me. I wish everyone luck and stay strong because were in this together and its a hell of a fight.

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by DonRet, Mar 14, 2014
Has anyone had experience with suboxone that can tell me how it affects you mentally?  The longer you are on pills the more and more you get used to it and kinda forget what "normal" feels like.  I wake up every morning in this really kinda depressed, anxious, nervous state and until I take the meds its hard to even shower.  I know there is no way my body is in withdrawals already but its just the mental grip it has on me.  I am wondering if Subs have any effect on seratonin/dopamine levels or is it purely for physical withdrawal symptoms?  When you first start Sub are you mentally ok to go to work or are you still going to suffer the major depression and anxiety from withdrawals?  I can handle the physical part, its just the mental aspect that is so hard to beat.

Also, I hear where some people say you have to take Sub for 6 months minimum and have heard some say they were able to use it for around 2 weeks as a way to help detox easier.  Any advice?

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by DonRet, Mar 17, 2014
Is the forum just unusually slow or has it been slow since Tram was finally changed to a controlled substance which made it hard to get off the internet?  I have been on here before and it was pretty active back then before the change.

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by james22778, Mar 18, 2014
It seems slow don't it some days theirs a lot of posting then it seems like it's a week or more before theirs anything new I hope your doing well

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by Kylie4501, Mar 28, 2014
Hey everyone,

It has been 158 days clean for me!! I am proud but have really been struggling the last few days. Tramadol made me superwoman and I could get everyhting done and then some. Sinmce being off of it, Ihave gained 25 lbs and am very depressed about that. I try to workout and eathealthy, but only last a day or two before I pick up fast food or snacks. I am lost and hurting! I fel fine and have energy to accomplish my day to day tasks, but I dont have any desire to accomplish them....what do you think will help me? I have been really thinking about the pills and that scares me. I tell myself I should just take them so that I have the energy to start working out and losing weight, and then once I do I will stop the pills again. UGH...Please give me some advice on how to get over this depression from my weight gain!

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by gizmo986, Mar 28, 2014
Is vomiting to be expected when withdrawing?

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by L_Lady, Mar 30, 2014
I just wanted to post saying that I am doing well and that I would very much like to be available for anyone struggling with tramadol when I can.  
Please, anyone who wants to, send me a message.  I get notifications by email and will respond as soon as I can.  This site and Emily's journal gave me the hope I needed to quit Tramadol for good.  Everyone here deserves a life free from tramadol!!!

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by saccot, Apr 02, 2014
Started a quick taper.  Was taking around 15 per/day and got word about possible trouble in the supply chain and it looks like Tram is getting scheduled this summer and decided it is time to circle the wagons.  Came clean to my wife, she has known for a year and a half, but I told her that I can't get off this by myself.  I am going to med detox in 8 days but I don't want to go from 15 to 0 so the plan is too taper as much as I can then go in.  From previous attempts to get off this I have some Clondine & Hydrooxyzin which have really helped for a quick taper.  That is not to say I don't feel like absolute crap.   Day 1 I got down to 5 a day. Day 2 I got down to 4, and this is Day 3 I am not sure if I will drop down to 3, I think I will stay at 4 one more then drop to 3 tomorrow.  If it is ok I will post my progress until the 10th, it does helping writing it out.  

Thanks.

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by booba77, Apr 02, 2014
I have some clonidine and am going to attempt a long taper because I've been on these forever and take 20+ per day. Do you wait until the tram is it off your system before you take the clonidine, or do you use it when you get to a really low dose? And what is hydrooxyzin? I'm trying to find something that will help for when I finally get to the end of the taper and jump off totally. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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by saccot, Apr 02, 2014
For me low dose I'm still on Tram I am trying to taper pretty fast.  The Clonidine does help I don't think I could go from 15 per/d to yesterday 4 without it (today is the 3rd day of my taper).  I still feel terrible, but I am at work.  The last 2 days I was taking 1 a day but I have enough to take 2 now.  

I misspelled it: Hydroxyine.

The 1st Dr I went to to get help with this gave it to me.  I used it once during the day and everything slowed down.  Too much to be at work or in public.  It was not pleasant.  I didn't touch it until I decided I have to get off this ride.  I use it before I go to bed day 1 I was out, day 2 I tossed & turned for an hour before I could fall asleep.  But eventually it knocked me out.  I have been able to sleep through the nights both days.  

So I use Clondine during the day and the Hydroxyine at night.  For me they seem to do the same thing with different degrees.  I can function on Clondine during the day and use the other at night when I need to sleep.

If you are still around after the 10th when I check in I will let you know what they gave me but my guess you will need Dr. to get it.  Depending how long your taper is you may not need anything more then a long weekend.  I have also heard Krantom works for some people.  Also heard of someone cutting up the pills into 1/4's.  

Good Luck.

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by booba77, Apr 02, 2014
Thanks a ton for the info

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by saccot, Apr 03, 2014
Got to 3 yesterday.  On the Clondine script it said I could take 2 a day so I did, and was able to cut off another pill.  I do feel like crap (really foggy head) but I am at work.  



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by saccot, Apr 04, 2014
Got to 2 yesterday.  Probably tapering too fast, had a terrible night.  Slept on the floor so I would not bother my wife, I had really bad restlessness in both my arms & legs.  I am going to kick it at 2 for a day, then start cutting pills into either 1/4 or 1/2.  I have tried to get off of this before and for me it gets really hard for me when I get to 3.  

Also bought a large coffee this morning which has really helped with the foggy head (yay!), but now I am unfoggy and have to stay within 30ft of a bathroom at all times (boo!).  

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by jbr999, Apr 05, 2014
Hi Tramadol Warriors,

I've been lurking on this forum for some time. I've tried many times to quit tramadol without success. I once went 6 days but the W/D symptoms did not subside noticeably in that time and I had to go back to work, so I started back on them.
I am now at 2-3 per day and have been trying to taper but it isn't working.  It seems that the horrible withdrawals (you all know, restless, aching legs, night sweats, flu like symptoms, insomnia, and general malaise) come on full bore when I even decrease from 2 to 1 tab daily. For instance I tried to cut down to 1 tab tonight, and the one tab did absolutely nothing!. I might as well not have taken any. If I'm going to have full-on withdrawals I might as well go C/T. It seems, for me, that there is no such thing as 'mild withdrawal symptoms'  with tramadol.  So. I took 2 tonight, and plan on going CT
from this time.  Wish me luck and strength.  Hot baths help. Walking helps some. I have to accept the fact that I won't sleep much for the next week, but, as somebody said, no one ever died from lack of sleep--when I get tired enough, I will sleep.  Thank you Emily for keeping this forum alive.

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by EmilyPost, Apr 05, 2014
I say that ... from personal experience ... no one dies from lack of sleep.  You'll probably feel awful jbr999, but you won't die.  Try not to get upset about the lack of sleep. I learned that over all the time I spent getting off the pills.  Just try to stay even and calm.  I agree with you on your plan.  Sometimes on lower doses, with the right time frame, CT makes sense.  

You can do it ...  life really is better w/o Tramadol.

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by jbr999, Apr 07, 2014
Well,  this is day2 without the little white pill.  Feels like I have the flu.  Aching all over. Just want to sit in hot tub all the time. Having diarrhea. On the plus side, I did sleep 4-5 hours last night.  No Benadryl, it doesn't help, in fact it makes me feel like jumping out of my skin. Did I hear someone say Epsom Salts in the bath helps?  I'll try that.  This is the first time without tram for several years.  It'll probably take some time for it to clear out of my system. What time frame?  A week, a month?  I hear a lot about PAWS, and that it can go on for months, but right now I'm only concerned with AWS, I'll worry about PAWS later.  

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by EmilyPost, Apr 07, 2014
Yes Epsom salt baths really help.  Soak it up!  The worst day are the first 3 ... then there seems to be a break at Day 10.    

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by jbr999, Apr 07, 2014
I have to say the only reason I haven't taken any trams is that I said here I wouldn't. I'd really feel awful of I said I was going cold turkey and then reneged on my word. If I just quit posting you'd know what happened. I've made a commitment to you guys and I aim to keep it. I don't want to be a slave to any pill. I see now tram gives more pain than it relieves. I've been taking it just to ward off the nasty withdrawals, which have nothing to do with the original pain I started them for--that pain is long gone.

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by jbr999, Apr 08, 2014
"Bumpy ride" huh?  Yeah, a bumpy ride through Hell !  My legs are aching and burning so bad I don't know how much longer I can stand it. Got up and exercised and stretched, gave some temporary relief, now it's back.  I hope this night is the worst it gets, or I may need some chemical help to get through this.  I find myself saying,  "Can this really be from the tram? Maybe I just have severe neuropathy, and this is just how it will be without the little white pill."  I'll try to hang on a little longer, one minute at a time.

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by jbr999, Apr 08, 2014
Well I made it thru the night without taking any pills. One of the worst nights I can remember. Tonight will be the 3rd night, then hopefully it will ease up some. The days are not so bad b/c I can stay active and engage in diversionary activities. I can't imagine anything worse than last night but we'll see. I feel that if I made it thru last night I can make it thru anything. The saving grace is that the worst of it comes and goes--it's not constant, it does subside for periods--enabling me to sleep for a couple of hours.

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by james22778, Apr 08, 2014
Jbr

  The restless legs and no sleep absolutely drove me insane I did get some requip for my restless legs and it helps I'm still tapering best of luck to you

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by saccot, Apr 09, 2014
Was out of town a couple of day and it didn't throw me off the taper.  Got to 1 a couple of days ago and have split the 50mg 25mg in the morning & 25mg at night.  Feel much better during the day then I did last week but am having really bad sleep and restlessness.  

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by Sarabie, Apr 13, 2014
Hi guys. Well I actually just wanted to check my tracker before having to go back to 0 days

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by Sarabie, Apr 14, 2014
Oh half my message disappeared. My ticker says 963 days but the truth is I relapsed in December. Too much work, too much stress and too many emotions. During my first tram period, I was addicted for 6 years leading up to me popping 24 50 mg's a day. I went CT back then and was miserable for a week. After that it was just physical withdrawel symptoma like being so extremely tired I couldn't even vacuum the floors.

This time I controlled myself. Highest dose was 6 50 mg's a day but mostly only 4. But very fast I found myself counting pills again. Thinking about the next bottle, hiding a few in my pockets so I wouldn't run out if I wasn't home. 10 days ago I went cold turkey once again. I can't taper. To me it's about all or nothing. I had about 150 pills left and flushed every single one. Including those found in my clothes. The WD's weren't that bad. No physical pains anywhere, just feel like having a bit of the flue. Constantly sneezing though and lacking energy. But when I get that tired, I fetch the iPad and play all of my favourite music. That gives me energy. My luck is that I'm working from home (author) and making stuff up is like my favourite thing to do. So I'm working as much as I can. I'm struggling a bit from lack of concentration, so it takes longer to write than usual. Taking my time.

Compared to my first CT this is nothing. But my problem now is that I write so much funnier when being on tramadol and it scares me. I know I'll do it again the next time the world overwhelmes me. It's my pacifier. Hopefully I'll wait another few years and stop again before I ruin my own and my loved ones lives as I did the first time. Well I don't know but we humans tend to go back to stuff we know while being stressed. And those little devils soothes me when the world tumbles and swirls. Arghhhhhg !!!!

Anyways I needed to tell someone and this wonderfull forum never judges.

@JBR999 - I hope to see you on here again soon. Would hate for your sake if you relapsed when you've come this far already. But I now how tempting it is to say just f*ck it all and give me my tramadol and then leave me be !!!

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by james22778, Apr 14, 2014
I've been fighting this drug for years and so far it wins every time hopefully you will be able to stay off of these pills this time for good

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