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Just a quick note to say hi!
You deserve a big bear hug!
You're in my thoughts all the time, but especially today.
Thank you for everything!
Welcome to our community!
You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Hope you feel better soon!
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334144 tn?1423248271
12/11
Thank you for the thoughtful note.

I was doing really well in the beginning, but now it is really rough emotionally. I really appreciate the support.
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08/10
Sasha...missing you big time..hope youa re doing good my friend...
love n hugs
pat
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07/10
Hi Sasha..just thinking about you today dear one..hope you are doing good and enjoying the summer..sending out lots of love, ,sunshine and hugs.
Pat
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1084755 tn?1271725304
04/10
I stayed off for a good month or so. I quit under bad circumstances. My girlfriend worried about my pill habit and promised to stop smoking if I stopped taking pills. We broke up. So on and so forth. You know how it goes. That was a terrible way to quit. The depression lasted the whole time. I more than likely need something FOR depression. I more often than not take Tram to make me feel happy and sociable.
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1084755 tn?1271725304
04/10
Unfortunately I've done the Tram withdrawal dance more than once. Which definitely makes me want to kick myself for ever picking it back up. The last time I quit, I felt worst emotionally around day 6. The depression started kicking in there. The physical symptoms are certainly no walk in the park, but the mental symptoms will be my toughest battle. I can handle the pain and tingling and sweating and heart racing. The puking and headaches and insomnia. (Really hate the involuntary muscle twitches). But the mental drain is what I'm dreading most. Thanks for your friendship!  
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1084755 tn?1271725304
04/10
Thanks for being so welcoming; it gave me strength and resolve you wouldn't believe.
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03/10
No antibiotic yet, and no pain yet. So maybe (hopefully) its still early. We have a little more than an half acre, and using about a third of the back yard for planting. Yes, 56 is my b-date...July. I've found a great, cheap little scale for measuring the herb (did I give you the Amazon address?). I might go with 5 grams of mulungu next time and simmer it longer. Any way gotta run, hope you have a good day yourself...Ken
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03/10
Hi 4-leaf, all you asked me about my tooth. Well, the x-ray shows a dark spot on the nerve, but I haven't made an appointment yet for the root canal, or a second opinion. Last week was busy, taking my little girl to the dentist, then back again today to fix a small cavity. A good friend of mine came over and we decided together to turn my back yard into a mini farm. Since I've cleared away the vines, all that's left is very rich soil underneath. Will be great exercise for the old body (ha ha). Nevertheless, I plan to go to the dentist as soon as i get some breathing space. The Mulungu tea is smooth and relaxing. I boiled 4 grams, but think I need a bit more for the full effect. Do you think it could help you the nicotine gum, once you decide to quit? Not sure about the journal thing. Ken
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03/10
Hi 4 leef!  Yes, I am free.  It hasnt been all perfect and easy, but the main thing I notice is how much less reactive I am to my husband. I am just working on changes I CAN make which is on myself.  And yes, self forgiveness is a HUGE part of my recovery too.  I think I will make it. I think my marriage may even be ok. I was so fogged out on Trams that I couldnt see how I was acting and now I can SEE.  Everything is clear.  I do love my husband and of course my kids more than life itself and I am lucky I have them.  I am FREE!!

You so wonderful. I am so happy for you as well. I know we both have lots of learning and recovery to go through still, but it sounds like we are both on the right paths now.  
Love you 4 leef!
Bode
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02/10
Just a quick note to say hi!  hi there...you wrote something yesterday in a post..."desperategran- - I believe the ADD component of w/d is an effect of the SNRI component of Tram and the w/d from that piece of the drug. It is a VERY complex drug. last thread, I think, both Chess and howcouldI wrote in depth about the 'chemical soup' that is Tramadol. It is a worthwhile piece to find and what I did was PRINT IT OUT so I could read it and re-read "
i tried to find this but i could not..can you help me? i would like to read and research this myself so i can discuss with my doc when i see him on friday.  I hope that you are doing good...thx for your support! Desperate Gran Pat
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675718 tn?1530036633
02/10
Thank you ! -scotty
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1200016 tn?1265311108
02/10
thanks for the great advice!  I think it will work.  I might call my Dr to ask for the Clonidine.  Thanks so much, I will keep in touch and keep on track with your help!
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1200016 tn?1265311108
02/10
I was prescribed 6 *50 mg a day.  I usually take 10 a day.  I have 40 pills left with no hope of getting more.  I plan to start on Sunday.  I plan to go to 4 a day for 2 days.3 a day for 2 days. 2 a day for 3 days and 1 a day until they are gone.  I am going to get plenty advil pm and ammodium.  I just hope I can do this and still work.  I take care of retarded adults and also volunteer at the humane society.  I hate being an addict. THANKYOU for your support I have no one here to understand this.  Peace
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1200016 tn?1265311108
02/10
my name is lydia and I am about to come off tramadol, are you an addict to?  I am all alone in this, I need help.
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02/10
4leaf-I'm so sorry to hear that. I had a feeling something was up since i hadnt heard from you. Please don't feel bad.  I'm here for you. I think talking to a doctor will help. You will get a plan and a new path to recovery.  It sounds like the anxiety and depression got the better of you.  Ive relapsed 4 times, so I know how you feel.  Please keep talking. Big hugs.

Bode
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02/10
Hi 4leaf, Havent seen you post in a few. Everything ok?  Im here if you need someone. I hope things are going well.  
Hugs
Bode
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01/10
Hey 4leaf!  Im sorry to hear you're having bouts of anxiety.  I can understand.  I dont have any currently, but have struggled with it in the past. Mostly a combo of slight depression and slight anxiety my whole life.  I think that is why Tramadol seemed to answer my prayers at first.  But you know how that story goes!  Do you take chlonidine?  I have some and tried it once and seemed to help but made me very tired.  I am very inspired that you are into yoga!  That is a wonderful thing.  My cousin in Idaho is a yogahealer-so neat!   What does it feel like for you when you have anxiety?  Are there specific physical feelings that are unbearable?  Maybe I can help more if I know this.
I am at day 14 tram free!  And down to 1.75mg's of sub w/ little to no wd symptoms.
Hugs and courage
Bode
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01/10
Hi 4leaf. I didnt get your note..

Its always nice to read your posts. You are very comforting!
xo
Bode
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01/10
Hi 4leaf, How are you?  I read that you are tempted to take trams at times of anxiety. I understand that completely. Though I do not have any urges sinces I am on suboxone, I do recall feeling how you do when I went ct last time.  It was during those low moments I started to wonder if taking one would help.  But don't do it!  Not worth it! For me it was way more than 5 terrible days, more like a solid 2 and a half weeks of agony followed by 4 more weeks of lingering awful w/d.  I can't go through it again.  
You're doing great. Keep up the great work!  I'm here for you whenever you need.  
Bode(11 days off trams!)
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01/10
Hi 4leaf, thank you for relieving my anxiety a bit about coming off of suboxone.  I know it wont be as bad as trams, but am still a bit worried.  Are you a nurse?  Any info or experience you have is so appreciated!  

Wishing you a restful sleep.  Talk soon,
Bode
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01/10
Hi 4leef, Yes, I started the sub on Wednesday actually.  12 noon to be exact and have been doing really well ever since.  I also remember looking into suboxone the last time I quit, but it was too late and I just continued my ct withdrawal and eventually I did feel back to "normal".  Since I have been through nightmare tram w/d before, I have to say that I would definately recommend suboxone therapy.  Likely, there will be some tapering and withdrawal from the suboxone itself, (but NOTHING like tramadol w/d).  I can actually function and care for my kids and go to work and SLEEP(not sweat through the nights tossing and turning and suffering!)  It is a gift to me this time around.  
I would try 5mg melatonin.  See if that helps. It did 4 me. I am here for you.  All the best,
Bode
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01/10
Hi 4leaf, Thanks for your input re. suboxone.  I appreciate that.  

Day 19!  Thats awesome.  I dont know if you've been through w/d from trams before, but you are entering into a much better phase.  Day 20-30 I started really feeling better. By day 40, I felt good. Day 45 great.  That was me.  Just something to look forward to.  Also, I had really bad sleep issues until around day 40 and at that time melatonin started to help.  All the best,
Bode
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