My 10 year son has been on Adderall for a little over 2 months now. He was moody, distant, and very emotional. The doctor is now switching him to Concerta. Any thought son this medication? I am new at trying to deal with ADHA, my son is diagnosed with the concentration protion of ADHA. He can not focus for the life of him! It is so confusing to try and help him when I know
The brain damage caused by amphetamine use is still noticeable years later, say experts.
In fact, users undergo similar brain chemical changes to patients suffering from Alzheimer's Disease, stroke or brain tumours.
Methamphetamine, also known as "speed" is a stimulant which acts on the central nervous system and quickens the heartbeat.
Users report increased confidence, sociability and energy levels. The effects usually last for several hours with the user feeling particularly hyperactive, and very awake.
However, there can also be feelings of nervousness or irritability and depression as the effects of the drug wear off.
But there is significant evidence that the drug can cause damage to the brain's neurons - the cells which are used for thinking.
Methamphetamine users have reduced concentrations of a chemical called N-acetyl-aspartate, which is a byproduct of the way neurons work.
Research carried out in Torrance, California, and reported in the journal "Neurology", compared the brains of 26 previous methamphetamine users with 24 non-users.
They found at least 5% lower concentrations of N-acetyl-aspartate in two key areas of the brain, the basal ganglia and frontal white matter.
Dr Thomas Ernst, who led the project, said: "Many brain diseases associated with brain cell or neuronal damage or loss, such as Alzheimer's disease and other dementias, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, brain tumours, stroke and HIV brain diseases, consistently have shown decreased N-acetyl-aspartate.
"This, in the drug users' brains, suggests neuronal loss or damage as a result of long-term methamphetamine use."
Amphetamines work by releasing large quantities of the brain stimulating chemical dopamine.
Animal studies have shown brain abnormalities persisting four years after amphetamine use stops.
Groups such as the Institute for the Study of Drug Dependence say that amphetamine use is actually falling, despite its association with the club scene.
Amphetamine users can become dependant on the drug, and withdrawal symptoms can cause depression and lethargy.
Heavy, regular use can cause hallucinations, delusions and feelings of paranoia.
Amphetamines are amphetamines, whether they have the 'meth' in front of them or not, they are SIBLINGS,, not cousins, not distant relatives,,, there is almost zero difference between the two outside of dosing to achive desired results... given over time either of these will destroy the brain and its delicate chemical balance permanently. A child is only a child for 20 years,,,, 'playing' with their brain chemistry while its in early development is playing God.
I am my sisters sibling. But i am male. we are biologically VERY VERY DIFFERENT. the same thing goes for medicines. Ever seen anyone with no teeth because they took ritalin? Even the way they get the two different chemicals is different, meth comes from sudafed where as ritalin (methylphenedate) is impossible to even indirectly extract from such medicine. and yes they are talking about tweeking their childs brain chemicals. but you would not look at us in disgust if we tweeked the childs chemo therapy. all it is doing is finding the right dosage. are you against medicating kids with biopolar disorder? or other diseases of the mind? what about epolepsy? are you against giving a kid a vitamin, they add chemicals to the brain?
okay,,, tell yourself whatever makes you feel better,, but heres a FACT... the pharmacudical companies are promoting their amphetamines and SSRI's to children younger and younger. And here is anouther fact... EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL SHOOTING has been by a child who was ON these very pharmacudicals. I dont think thats a coincidence... and that effects EVERYONE and everyonelses kids. I hope the drug reps who push this garbage down doctors throats who then in turn push it down parents throats , are the parents who grieve,, because only then will the truth come out and this insanity stopped.
Many of these links are from 2000,, its now 2008... this information is not new,, its just being ignored by the powers that be in the name of the almighty dollar. Normally I dont get bent out of shape about things like this... but this is our kids we are talking about. It doesnt just affect the child takiing the pills, it effects everyone they go to school with and everyone in their community.
The Journal of the American Medical Association: Trends in Prescribing Phsychotropic Medications to Preschoolers http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v283n8/full/joc91250.html
Town needs grace to recover from shooting, pastor says http://gbgm-umc.org/programs/antihate/shooting.stm From The United Methodist News Service -- http://umns.umc.org/dailynews.html
Sightings and Insight Magazine http://www.sightings.com/health3/doping.htm
Talking Back to Prozac by Peter R. Breggin, M.D. and Ginger Ross Breggin. http://www.breggin.com/luvox.html
The Australian Early Intervention Network for Mental Health in Young People http://126.96.36.199/clearing/depression/gpdepr09.html
Here are the last major school shooters and the link under each name is a reputable news source that connects them all with SSRI's (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) like Prozac, Ritalin, Zoloft, Luvox, Paxil, and others:
1) May 20 1999: T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old wounds six at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga.. http://add.about.com/health/add/library/weekly/aa052599.htm CNN Reports That T.J. Solomon was on Ritalin.
2) April 16 1999: Shawn Cooper, a 15-year-old sophomore wounds one at Notus Junior-Senior High School in Notus, Idaho. http://www.boiseweekly.com/archive/v7i42/cope/cope_col.html Reports that Cooper was abused and medicated.
3) April 20 1999: Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold kill thirteen and wound twenty three at Columbine High School. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/april99/antisocial04299.htm Eric Harris, The apparent leader of the attack had been on Luvox.
4) May 21, 1998: Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old kills four and wounds twenty three at Thurston High School in Springfield, Ore.. http://www.drugawareness.org/washtimes.html Kinkle Had been taking Prozac.
5) March 24, 1998: Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, opened fire on their classmates and killed five and wounded eleven at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Ark..
Arkansas Online http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/jonesboro/brygolden24.html Andrew Golden's Medical Records released to Courts but not open to the public!
From Jon Rappaport of the Truthseeker foundation: http://www.nfgcc.org/schoolviolence.htm A Doctor from Georgetown University commented on Network television that one of the boys had previously been treated for violent behavior. (Treated with what?)
AND According to Arianna Huffington the following events are linked to Anti-Depressants as well:
6) Julie Marie Meade from Maryland who was shot to death by the police when they found her waving a gun at them. http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/070998.html
7) Ben Garris, a 16-year-old in Baltimore who stabbed his counselor to death. http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/070998.html
8) Kristina Fetters, a 14-year-old from Des Moines, Iowa, who stabbed her favorite great aunt in a rage that landed her a life sentence. http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/070998.html
9) Pfizer, The Manufacturer of Zoloft is being sued by a Kansas family for the Suicide of their 14 year old son on Zoloft. http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/061099.html
10) The estate of Brynn Hartman, Wife of the Saturday Night Live Comedian, Phil Hartman, is also suing Pfizer, since Mrs. Hartman had been on Zoloft when she killed her husband and herself! http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/061099.html
These drugs cause side effects like insomnia, anxiety, and agitation. (From The New York Hospital Cornell Medical Center), and sometimes suicidal tendencies especially with fluoxetine (Prozac). These results have been found in adults and some young people, but the best course for prescribing SSRI's to the young seems to be extreme caution.
you do realize that tylenol kills more kids PERCENTAGE WISE than all amphetamines combined. including meth. and its not a coincidence that all of those "high school shooter" kids were taking meds like this. but its not the meds its self. its the disease that they had that was the issue. ADHD is linked with most psychiatric disorders, therefore if you have a psychiatric disorder chances are very good you have ADHD as well, especially if you are schizophrenic (which is what most high school shooters are). so let me ask you PTA mom can i take tylenol?
cap,,, I hate to tell you this,,, but your talking to a chemo surviror. So yes, I do realize that all medicines can kill,, even the meds we typically trust.
The fact of the matter is,, thats exactly whats scared me so much about medicine... Iv BEEN there and I know what it can do. Medicine can heal,, but only in the right hands... in the wrong hands it kills and if you cant see how greed is playing a huge roll in the whole mess,,, then its you that will have to live with the consiquences of your choices.
I have had doctors who there was no doubt in my mind wanted nothing more than for me to feel better... and whether people believe it or not, there are doctors out there who have thier own agendas and they will dismiss your life for their own dinner plans one evening faster than you can imagine. We have become FAR to trusting of this profession and this will become more apparent... it should be already ...but most of us choose to ignore it.
i hate to tell you this. but i have severe adhd, and those "amphetamines" as you call it are the only reason I can function. Iv BEEN there and i know what it can do. is it over prescribed yes. are there doctors out there who want your money alone yea, but they dont make a penny from prescribing you drugs thats drug reps. so dont give me the doctors over prescribing for their own money **** cause it almost never happens IN THE CASE OF ADHD PRESCRIPTION medicine. so tell me why my "amphetemines" are a bad thing for me? should we stop giving morphine because it is a "sibling" heroin and a natural chemical in our own brain? should we stop watching tv because it lets out more radiation than a nuclear reactor? you hear amphetamine and you FREAK. they are a good thing for people with adhd period.
ah, I get it now... thats called an addiction captain, now I understand why your so defensive and protective. Some pretty famouse people have been addicted to small dose amphetamines,,, the most infamouse of them was Hitler, look it up.
Btw,, I wanted to say I dont think YOU are an awful person for taking this medicine yourself Captain. By the manner in which you write I assume your atleast a teen if not older, and you have every right to make the choice yourself to take whatever helps you feel in control and sucessful in life.
You should however be aware that stimulants as well as most chemicals when put into the body over extended periouds of time supress the immune system and can put you at a higher risk of diseases of all sorts. Everything from connective tissue issues to cancer....... and this is in part why I object so strongly to making a choice like this for ones child without being 100% aware the damage it can do in the long term.
Children depend on their parents to make healthy choices for them though... so in this instance I feel its the most imporant thing in the world to know what your giving your kids. We are forever hearing on the news though about how this group is suing that company or this one because their products hurt the buyers.... this isnt personal responsibility in many instances though because the information is available if only people would care enough to research it. Not doing this for yourself is a trajety,, failing to do so for anouther human beings life should be a crime.
I have 2 beautiful adopted children. they are 8 and 7. My daughter was 6 when we adopted her. Both of my kids have ADHD. Without their medication they cannot function and learn. My daughter was on Adderral when we first got her as a foster child. She was on Adderral because as a child in the foster care system her health care was provided by Medicaid. Adderral was cheaper than Straterra which worked well for her. Adderral just about drove this child insane. Since the switch to Concerta she is an honor roll student, captain of her dance team, and a very loving and wonderful little girl.
You have do what is best for your child. My advice would be to try the Concerta and ignore the criticism of people who have never walked in your shoes. Your pediatrician and you are the best judge of what your child needs to thrive.
I dont see children committing murders and suicide as simply 'criticism' . These are facts and as the number of deaths and murders grow the pharm corporations are working very dilligently to hide the information. The makers of paxil went out of their way to aquire the parents sworn statements regarding their child being on that medication for the purpouse of destroying and burying it according to news reports. Furthermore, it is not criticism when a child ends up in a psych ward because the seritonin levels in his/her brain are maxed out and the 'lsd' effect kicks in.
Your children are doing well because they are in a loving stable home now, which you deserve all the credit for,,,, not some drug that will at some point quit working and leave her needing to find something to replace it with most likely. (atleast by the looks of the depression/anxiety boards here on medhelp)
You are blessed, and your children doubly blessed to be 'saved' by good people who clearly have her best interest at heart and are willing to do anything to help her live the life she deserves. She didnt have that before... but I wouldnt blame it on a lack of drugs.
My son has ADHD and after a long hit and miss process we both decided that he would NOT take drugs. He had enough clarity of mind to tell me what the were doing to him (Side effects) and he didn't want them. Does he have learning problems? Sure.
Is it hard for him to pay attention? Of course.
But you know what?
I learned how to help him. Without drugs.
We are both still learning tricks - To achieve the same results as the drugs without the drugs. How many adults have you talked with that were drugged as children? There are many, and they have horror stories about what the drugs did to them. The worst thing the drugs do is ALIENATE them from their parents. The parents think the drugs are a magic bullet,
If the drugs don't work, just get more. If they work sometimes but not others, then there is something wrong with the child. We drug the children because we dont like them, nor do we want to take THE TIME to figure out how to help our children because WE ARE TO DAMN BUSY. I am not against you drugging the shyt out of your children if that's what it takes to get you through the day.
But there are alternatives. There are natural compounds that work just as well. I know because we use them. Vitimins, Herbal Supplements, Patience and lots of love. I am not knocking the drugs, nor am I against holistic treatments. Drugs are not the only way to go. I know, because I have an ADHHHHD Child, and his case is extreme. But I do not drug him. And he is doing pretty darn good, thank you very mush.
your right, they are totally different drugs and have completely different action in the brain,,, but if you read the anxiety and depression boards,, many of those who are started on one drug with one type of action are then later put on SSRI's even though the action of these drugs is totally different from the action of benzopines... it rarely works and often makes the patient much worse off in the long run PLUS adding the problem of their bodies being dependant on the new ssri as well as the benzopine.
What it all boils down to is CONTROL,, we as parents are being pushed to medically control our kids instead of being parents and doing whatever it takes to help our kids naturally with attention, love and giving of our time. Our time is to preciouse now to even focus on our kids because everyones to busy slaving away at jobs to pay their bills. The amphetamines are just as harmful as the ssri's because although the damage is not so immediatly apparent, MRI's verify without a doubt that these medications are causing irreversible long term damage to the developing minds of smaller and younger children every year.
Worse yet, if our country had ANY clue how much of our tax money is going to pay for these same brain altering chemicals they would be OUTRAGED. The groups being hit hardest and most obviousely are
1. children under the age of 10 (medicade) in part because these kids are less likely to act violently or atleast not enough to make news headlines.
2. younge women ages 19-30 the pills of choice that doctors are putting them on and forever refilling scripts for are from what Iv seen a. antidepresasnts b. benzopines c. pain pills that are highly addictive. All of these meds are easily prescribed and very very difficult to quit.
3. women , usually single who are dependant on disability/medicade , this age group is getting the most expensive new class of drugs and widely being diagnosed as depressed or bi-polar. Dont believe me, go look at the boards yourself please.
You'll believe what you wish anyways..... Im just pointing out some facts. Some people wont like what some of us agree they are seeing and will refuse to admit there may be an issue, but thats not helping the kids and families these pills are hurting.
My son is 14 and in the 9th/10th grade. His school has a different system, he just finished the 9th in 1 semester (4 clases per, 1.5hrs each day - 2 actual days of class for each day) This schedule was actually easier for him because he was in each class for 2.5hrs and he was able to get his bearings. He did OK - 3 C's and 1 B. I am proud of him just the same. It is hard for him, but since he is AWARE of his disability, he knows what he needs to work on throughout the day.
I think many children have no idea why they are being medicated. When I was a child I had a wondering eye, eventuallt led to surgery to correct the problem. I saw double, and this was comfortable for me. I was in therapy for 5 years for the double vision. I was never once told that the goal of therapy was to have my vision singe. If they would have just told me taht, I could have corrected my vision myself - The double vision was more comfoortable, but I could control it. Eventually my eye muscles got so weak from being lazy that I had to have the surgery. I think ADD is like that. If the kids KNOW why and what is going on, they can correct a lot of it themselves.
Well, your only asking for my 'opinion' so I will do my best to offer what I can.... but I must warn you its something of a 'tangent' at times......
First I think we need to be offering the biggest support and help we can do the schooling system of this country. There have been 'issues' in the past with the typical 'one size fits all' type of teaching that our educators have been complaining about for years,,, but the problem went from 'rough' to insurmountable with Bush's 'no child left behind' bill.
One size does NOT fit all and SO little of our tax dollars actually go to researchering education and how children learn not to mention funding programs that try different methods for children who seem to be falling behind in the typical classroom setting. This is a seriouse problem IMO as a parent because right now I personally have a daughter who is failing 4th grade. This however is not based on her grades at all, but rather on her lack of ability to remeber to bring back papers and turn them in on time. Theres nothing we can do about this.... its totally on her because we cant be there all the time but its also a focus/concentration and memory issue. I frankly think she spends so much time trying to memorize dates and facts that when it comes to everythingelse she just flakes out. My husband does something similiar in that if I remind him repeatedly (stress him with the pressure) he will forget whatever Im asking him to remeber within moments. Example,, I can ask him to stop by a certain store as we approach it and he will. But if I ask him more than once he will drive past every single time.
The killer part? She tests very well, above average particularly in math and science. However she comes home typically with four hours of homework a night, has NO time for play or imagination and thats not even taking into account that 'art' and 'music' are now every OTHER week 45 minute class's like some sort of after thought. Further this school she is now in is a little better on recess, but typically in my state it seems the 'norm' is 1-45 minute recess a day and 1-45 minute gym class per week as well.
Children are no longer being allowed to just be kids, to explore their creativity. They are packed into rooms and pressed to memorize and recite perioud. Some children simply do NOT do well this way,, Einstien did very poorly in school for those we were unaware.
Our country needs to follow the lead of some of the UK schools in experimenting with different hands on methods of teaching. I have seen a few schools that help ingrain whats been taught by bringing younger children into the rooms with slightly older children, and letting the older kids help 'teach' the younger ones different things or read stories to them. This is a WONDERFUL idea and my kids absolutely loved it when the school they went to did this. (we have since changed schools due to having to move for work) It gave them a sense of empowerment and mastery over what they had learned, they felt important ,,, definatly an effective tool in teaching.
Quite frankly I think alot of the problem is also on the work related issues most families face in these days and times as well though. Mothers only being allowed a couple of weeks off after giving birth for fear of loosing their employment unless they can figure out how to make money at home, nevermind loosing insurance benefits! Fathers also get far to little time to spend with their families. I know my husband works a job that allows him to take off a significant amount of schedualed leave time every year, but this is very unusual, particularly the lower in income level you go, which is often the very people who need it most! If it wasnt for my husband haivng a union to back him up though, more than once he would have been at risk during my chemo treatments for loosing his job. What a horrible trajety that would have been with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills we had on the line!
I think alot more focus needs to be on offering community support to at risk families. These could be set up as not for profit though because god knows the government doesnt seem to be in the business of 'helping' those in need anymore. Example,, katrina, 911, the fires in california,, need I go on?
Want to see what I mean when I say these big corporations have a strangle hold on our government,, look up dental floridosis,, particlarly if you know youve done your best to care for your kids teeth but they seem to get white spots and or alot of cavities irregardless.
My point with that is,, WE, like the ancient romans who were poisoned by lead in mass... are also now being exposed to very high levels of poisons,,, and its beginning to show in our mental health and our childrens over all health. ABC recently did piece about cancer and without offering any reasons as to what the cause might be,, mentioned in passing briefly that 1 out of every 2 men in I believe it was West Virginia will develop cancer of one form or anouther and 1 out of every 3 women in that state will as well.
This IS new.. this ISNT normal.... and we all need to figure out what is causing this insain loss of life and livelyhood... and its not all just diet and lack of excersize.
*With much respect and apprication to any who made it to the bottom of this 'tangent'* and I do hope to hear feedback on this thread for a long time to come as people find it and do some searching... I am definatly listening and I hope others are too because we ALL need to do what we can to try and bring balance back to our lives.
Well to all of you. First, Anthony, I am very happy to hear that the medicine is helping. My son just has been switched to Concerta and I hope that he will do much better than on the Adderall. And second, to Jennifer375, you obviously have children without ADHD and have not struggled to have them do well and succeed. Our children suffer from something you CAN NOT understand, and to be honest with you I have had numerous conversations with my son's doctor and physiologist and they both state that when his medication is used PROPERLY there are no long term affects. So believe me that I will listen to them and not you. Further, my son can actually listen and pay attention in school. He may actually pass, and to be honest with you that is a great feeling. So as you see I asked about Adderall and switching to Concerta, not you input on how they affect people.
Jennifer I am sorry but you need to stop ONLY looking at the bad research, and start looking at that that is positive as well. There is LOADS of more research saying the positive affects of the medicines for treating ADHD than there are negative ones. And like everyone is saying you have NO IDEA WHAT WE ARE ALL GOING THROUGH! It is not possible for those with ADHD to will themselves into concentration. I do all of those alternative treatments that you have talked about. I run, i meditate, i have a strict diet (i am a vegitarian) and i go see a psychologist once a month. No medicine alone did not work, but i did try using all of the alternatives with out the meds for a month and it was a disaster, i still need them to function. And if you tell me thats called an addiction then you were addicted to you chemo meds. I need mine to function you need yours. Also I have done my research on the subject so have my parents, heck i am currently studying to become a doctor, pharmaco therapy books are strewn all over my house, if there was anything halfway serious or even eyebrow raising THAT HAS BEEN SUFFICIENTLY PROVEN AND BACKED UP i would know. But as of yet, nothing. Look at the research that shows the benefits. With out the meds i would have failed out of school, but instead because of them i am well on my way into med school. And don't say its my enviroments fault either, i was breast fed, almost never in daycare, went to the best school in my city for grade school, and the 24th best school in the country for high school (which i failed out of once because my ADHD killed me, and i didn't have it in check. So i went to a place that specializes in ADHD got a psychologist, learned how to meditate (by the way i HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT FOR EVERYONE! ESPECIALLY THE OLDER TEENS WITH ADHD ITS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!!!!!! for me its second to the meds, so i got my adhd in check and went back.) What i am trying to say is that no Meds are NOT the only way to go and are useless if they are done alone (by the way i dont recommend letting a pediatrician handle your childs adhd, they usually aren't very good at it, especially when it comes to helping your child find the correct type/ amount of medicine to take, i recommend a specialist if it can be afforded, and if it cant say so on the forum and i will try and find you the progams you need to get it) so use as many techniquies as you can they all add up, but in the end the medicine is almost always number one.
and for those who say that the medicine wears off for some it does. BUT FOR MOST IT DOES NOT! i have been taking some form of methylphenedate (active ingrediant in ritalin and concerta) since i was six.
and yes some people also have horrible side affects to these meds. HOWEVER that could be A. their body naturally reacts badly to these meds B. they are not on the right med or C. what i believe to be the most common, they have not hit what my psychologists and now i call the "theraputic window". The theraputic window is the window of medication where you hit optimal preformance of the medicine. IF you are in that window the side affects will be at their least, mood deficines at their least, and concentration at its greatest. HOWEVER if you are above or below this "theraputic window" the side affects can be absolutely horrible! The theraputic window is based on weight height sex and personal biology it is not always the recommended dosage, and don't be afraid to go above or below it with in reason. (that doesnt meen a 6 year olds theraputic window could be at the 100mg mark, the window is usually somewhat close to the recommended dosage, for example my window is 20mg less than the recommended dosage) One of the beautys of stimulants is that you know if its the right medicine for you with in the first one or two days because they take about an hour to kick in so you dont need a month long period (that is if your excluding factors like sleep mood etc.) So for all of you parents out there reading this talk to your doctors about tweeking your childs meds if you think that their sideaffects are too rash from this.
And about the original topic of adderall. I was on Adderall for a short period of time and i HATED it. I had censitivity to light, headaches, and my concentration was horrible. And i know Jennifer is gonna say something like im proving her point well guess what im not. Its very comprable to the sideaffects of someone taking allergy meds and having a bad reaction to those. It DID NOT CAUSE ANY DAMAGE WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND BIOLOGICALLY FOR MY BODY BECAUSE I LIKE 99.9% OF THE POPULATION CAN NOT BE HARMED BY THE CORRECT DOSAGES OF THESE MEDS.
anyways there is my two bits and as i said before meditation is amazing
Both my 7 year old and 10 year old daughters are on concerta. I like it. It is a gradual release form of ritalin and doesnt turn them into zombies. We make sure they have it every morning because if my 7 year old misses a day the first day back on it she doesnt eat hardly at all. But now that they have both been on it for some time they both eat regularly and are doing well. Their appetites are still a little bit curbed but at least they eat enough to be healthy and stay alive. They weigh between 48 and 52 pounds and both take 1 36mg pill each morning. Their studies in school have increased tremendously, they can stay focused and get their work done neatly and the answers are correct. I like COncerta, though it is not for every child, I do like it. Hope this helps.
Thank you. My son has been on Concerta for a week now and I have to say that he is much better than when he was on the Adderall. He is happy and is focusing, it is great. He too doesn't eat as much, but at night, before bed he does usually pig out! The doctor said this is normal. He usually will eat carrots, yogurt, a sandwich, etc. So it isn't bad. The doctor actually said to let him do that since duringthe day he isn't eating as much. But, so far so good. I am very pleased. Now maybe his grades will go up! He did bring home a passing test last wekk (84)!!!!!!!!!!!!! How exciting.
just so your aware,, and Im not sure if this is a 'trolling' issue or not,, but consider your sources carefully please... here is a post on anouther board created by Wonder26 on anouther of the boards here... take a moment to check it out because it doesnt even flow with the rest of the conversation and there does appear to be some people trolling on these boards giving people bad advice.. incidently your taking the advice of two boys under the age of 20 who have been on these medications. Im sure its fairly normal behavior for their ages, but something to consider if you care to brows through each of their history of posts from their profile.
For Your Info I'm Not A Troll. I Have Delt With ADD/ADHD Since I Was 5. I Know What Ritalin Can Mess Up A Person. I Was On It From The Ages Of 5 To 14. It Messed Up My Body. Just Cuz I'm Under The Age Of 20 Don't Think I Don't Know What I'm Talking About. I Take Serious Afence To That.
Just to be clear- I do not take any kind of advise from anyone besides the doctor. I do welcome people to answer my questions and give me their stories. But as far as actually taking advise, who are you kidding. If you would have read my question, the docotr had already been switching my son to Concerta before the post even happened. And you know what I don't understand, why on earth you are even looking at these ADHD posts when you or your children do not have it. Please stop harassing all my postings.
I am sixteen years old, and I was diagnosed with ADHD a few years back. I was on Ritalin as well as the medication you say your son was on. For the last few years I was taking medication, I was on Concerta. What I noticed about it was the following:
1. When I did not eat in the morning, I was at a loss for energy. As if I were apathetic.
2. I did not enjoy much of what I would normally.
3. I had a minor form of depression.
4. Improved concentration.
Of course, these were the effects that I got from it, and may not be what everyone else who has taken it felt. I just know that when I did eat in the morning and took the med., I was able to keep some energy I would usually have and participate in the activities. I also had a slight feeling of sickness whenever I did not eat in the morning when taking it.
I Had Those Side Effects Before With Ritelin. But Not Concerta. My Dr. Siad That Differents Drugs Work Differently Depening On The Person, Their Age, And The Dose They Are Taking. Its Best To Listen To The Dr. Mine "Tested" A Few Drugs On Me To See Which One Worked The Best. And By "Tested" I Mean I Took Concerta For A Few Months To See How It Effected Me And How Well It Worked. As For The Depresson, That Lots Of Times Not A Side Effect Of The Drug But Is From The ADD Or ADHD. My Dr. Said That Concerta Is A Mild Form Of Anti-Depressent. Hope This Helps.
Everyone is different, my son was on Conerta and with him I noticed his concentration did not improve very much. Then he started having slightly mood changes, like cried very easlily and snappy. So being that it was not helping him with his concentration I stopped giving it to him. His doctor said I did the right thing because his personality had changed. They put him on Adderall and about the second day my son told me even he noticed the difference. Everyday I still ask how is he feeling, if he feels sad, if he is upset with anyone, then we talk about that. But I ask him the good things, like what made you happy today and what were some nice things that were said in his class. Like every med. I do not trust them 100%, but I think its up to us as parents to know our children. And us as parents we love our children and we try to make their lives not easier but easier, if you know what I mean. My biggest fear (of course beside affecting him physicaly) is his self-esteem. Question like, why can't I get it or why I'm I so stupid? If you can't concentrate you can't learn.
Thanks everyone. My son seems to be doing well on the Concerta right now,and it has been about a week and a half so far. I have been monitoring him closely and so is his teacher. His moods seem much better than they were on the Adderall. I called his docotr and told her everything that I have noticed about him and she said that is good so far. At the end of March we go back to the physchologist for a follow up.
Like you I am against using any sort of medication for supposed ADHD. My daughter works with children who have been so diagnosed, and has for years. Children are sent to her when they have trouble coping with their schoolwork They are generally in a state of anxiety, are in the doghouse both at school and at home, and their attention us scattered. Basically what she does is help them to organize their work in such a way that they only focus on one aspect at a time. They learn that with simple planning they can complete their tasks relatively quickly. (This is a great simplification. She has to quell their anxiety and bolster their self-esteem.) This is not accomplished overnight. Her success is remarkable. In all these years she has found only one child who could be classified as having ADHD. She feels that ADD/ADHD is largely a fad diagnosis, and that the medications are dangerous.
Interestingly enough, when she encounters problems it is with one of the parents the and not the child. Some parents demand that their children get straight A's, whether they have that capability or not. (My daughter's aim is to have them reach their potential.) There is also the parent who overburdens the child with extracurricular activities (which needless to say he has to excel in). Oddly enough this overbearing parent is usually the mother.
One case stands out in my mind. One of her students, a girl, while taking Adderall was admitted to the ER twice, so my daughter questioned the dosage, and the possibility that the girl should not be taking the medication at all. She learned from the daughter that she liked the Adderall because it kept her slim. Then she spoke to the mother who approved of the medication for that purpose as well. So my daughter explained the situation to the girl's psychologist who was not prepared to take any action. That is, until my daughter gave her a dressing down.
You, my friend, are a complete idiot! That is being said because until you live a DAY in my shoes, you cannot even have a CLUE what goes on in a home running rampant with ADHD. I am a 36 yr old with severe ADHD, diagnosed when I was 8. My father has ADHD, and as you may or may not know, it is genetic. I was insanely hyper till I got put on Ritalin. That is when my life began..and I finally could sleep through the night, sit through a movie, read a book and interact socially like a normal person. Without the "DRUGS" you are condemnin,g I would NEVER have gotten where I am today. I am a college grad, happily married and the mother of 2 very hyper little kids!!! I was in severe denial that my kids could be hyper and after their teachers literally begged me to do something I reluctantly put both of my kiddos on those "BAD DRUGS". I am not going to lie..life is hard. My daughter has responded well to her meds and finally in 2nd grade seems to be doing well..my son who is a brilliant 4th grader is having a few more problems..but I am a good mom. I love my kids and I will never give up on them..ever. I really resent you popping on this site and condemning the medication that has saved so many people. The children that are put on these drugs incorrectly by their doctors without correct diagnosis and medical evaluation..I feel sorry for..and that is what all your little articles are about. Plus, ADHD looks like so many other mental problems that if someone is not properly diagnosed you will see the problems to which you were referring. That however, is something you should be condemning doctors for..not parents.
I learned the hard way. my son was on adderall and then concerta because his school teacher couldn't handle him and he was having a hard time learning, Had I knew back then what I know now he would have had an EEG done and blood work before going on those drugs and even then I wouldn't have put him on them. you see we ended up finding out that my son has Seizures and that is why he was having a hard time learning and even acting out at times and he couldn't help it. those drugs also have the side effect that they can cause seizures.
Before going on these drugs Doctors need to do there job and test for everything. ADD AND ADHD and even some children who have seizures look like they have bipolar and it is not ADD AND ADHD . Also I give my son Omega 3-6-9 Vitmains and Vitamin B6 these are very good for the brain and won't do what these other drugs do.
we now know that my son has LGS it is a form of Epilpsy and there is know Medicine that stops the Seizures . We even got my son a Service Dog .
As parents we need to stand up for our children because if we don't know onw else will. The Doctors don't always know what is best. Belive me I have hear a lof of things from other parnets and the first thing I say is Run don't Walk to another Doctor who will leisne to you and do what is best for your Child.
My child could die because of what he has. And I have to live with the fact that the Medicine I gave him sure didn't help him it changed him .I would hate for others to have to go threw what my family and others are going threw.
And yes there are side effects to the Medicines that I have to gove my son for his Seizures but that is to keep him alive. The drugs they use to treat add and adhd and even bipolar won't kill you if you don't take them.
So please fight for your children just as I have had to over the last 4 years and I tell the Doctors what I want do to make sure he is ok. Also most Doctors don't keep trck of blood levels once you are even on these drugs .
this make me so mad that so many are putting there little children threw this. A lady told me the other day that a child had died after the school went to court and made the parenst give the kid these kind of drugs this young man died a year later.
Hi Dolly, thank you for posting the type of Epilepsy that your son has. It enabled me to research it. I found a very good site here - http://www.epilepsy.com/EPILEPSY/epilepsy_lennoxgastaut - which I am sure that you have seen. If not its worth checking out.
In looking at many of the sites on line, the one thing that struck me was that none of them said you could get it from taking Adderall. If you want to believe that, thats your choice. But I have seen you beat yourself up for years over letting him take the medicine. Dolly, it was not your fault! This form of Epilepsy typically hits a child between 2 and 6 and is caused by (quoting from the site I referenced), "encephalitis, meningitis, tuberous sclerosis complex, brain malformations, perinatal injury including hypoxic-ischemic (deprivation of blood flow and oxygen to the brain) encephalopathy, trauma and frontal lobe injuries."
From what I have read, even if he had not taken the Adderall, it would have happened. It was not your fault. I just want you to stop blaming yourself. You have been a wonderful mother dealing with an extremely difficult situation. I admire you for what you have done. I think that the Service Dog is a great idea! I was going to say, "hang in there", but I know that you will. Best wishes!!!!!
Thank you for saying this is not my fault.But my point is that there are more things in live that look like ADD and ADHD but are not. May people who have children with Seizures are told that there children have ADD or ADHD or at least one of them. Before they even find out that they are really having Seizures and some Doctors even want to keep our children on these other drugs even though they know the child has Seizures and what these drugs can do and that the side effects to these drugs can be Seizures. If you know anything about Seizures you would know that our children can have a very hard time learning and also do things that other children wouldn't do. These things are caused because of the Seizures not ADD or ADHD.
I have talked to other parents with Different kinds of Seizures who have gone threw the same thing as me with there children .They have had to pull there child out of the school becuase the schools just don't get it or want to deal with it .Or think that Seizures can make a child act out or have a hard time learning .They want children who can sit still and not have to try and teach them different ways because when you have Seizures you have to be schooled differently then other children do. And phone calls home every day about how there child dose this or that and that they think there child needs othe drugs .The side effetcs to the Medicines can also make children act out to.
I have a friend of my who had her son on ADD and ADHD and she took him off because the drug made him worse ,and the Doctor who put him on it wouldn't even talk to her when she tried tell her what was going on she even went to see her and she wouldn't she her about her Son. Now he is no nothing and he is doing better than what he did on those drugs .yes he still is behind in school but she is ok with that..
here is some links I would like for you all to look at and see if you would have know that these children were having seizures.
Hi Dolly, I agree with you completely. I have seen too many times where a doctor (or parent takes the easy way out and) just puts the child on medication, without doing any of the necessary prep work. And since seizures can be almost invisible, I certainly agree they need to be checked out.
I just wanted you to know that you did what any parent might have done. The doctor messed up, not you. Best wishes!
I see & understand your concern over our children becoming dependent on these chemicals. However, I don't see you giving advice as to how to help the child w/ ADHD. I have a 10 year old son who is not medicated & can not, for the life of him concentrate. I've been to multiple teacher conferences and for 3 straight years have been told he doesn't focus or pay attention. For fear of him failing 5th grade, I've scheduled a doctors appointment. I have been reading & trying different strategies for years now. Since you seem to know all about what not to do, can you help w/ what is right to do??
Does concerta x contain amphetamine. My 14 yr old grandson has adhd and currently takes 45 mg of the above medication daily. He never eats before the medication and doesnt get an appetite for around 10 hours after taking it. He doesnt sleep until 16 hours after taking his dose and then when he does eventually sleep he talks a lot and has started having nightmares and jumping up from bed terrified shaking and crying. Without the medication hes very angry and irratated please help
I totally agree with you, Jennifer.
It is absolutely horrible giving children such strong chemicals...It's an easy way out. And it's dangerous..
Basically, it's suppressing their feelings...They need be able to express and show their feelings. It is part of growing up..It is important to take them seriously of their feelings.
All they need is empathy, understanding, support, love, patience...Who knows what they're going thru daily in school, home, friends...Who knows what happens...
I'm really not trying to judge anyone. I've been there...my 7 year old daughter had some major problems...They're talking about possible ADHD in school...I had problems at home...I didn't want to give her medicine. I wouldn't allow it. I wanted to know and understand why...When I took her to a psychiatrist in Switzerland, she told me, that parents need to get help and change in order for their children to change. I did. I went to therapy, read a lot about parenting, psychology...Narcissistic mothers...Because there's no way my daughter was just born that way..
After I had made some changes in my self, both of my children where happier. They started to change. A child needs a lot of support and love and patience. They're children...
We, as parents, are responsible for those little beautiful people that are our future. I know I'm not a perfect mother, but thinking about drugging them is horrible to me. Drugs aren't solving the problems. They're temporary suppressing the underlying...
My child uses Concerta with intuniv(sp)56mg (c) 2MG (i) bother generic brands....these two TOGETHER work great for my child...It seems if she only take the conerta and not the intuntiv she still have trouble with focusing...My child is now in 6th grade and has been on these since second grade. My child was diagnosed with ADD AND ODD. I've also noticed that maturity has played a role in her behavior being better. I hope this helps.
My 10 year son has been on Adderall for a little over 2 months now. He was moody, distant, and very emotional. The doctor is now switching him to Concerta. Any thought son this medication? I am new at trying to deal with ADHA, my son is diagnosed with the concentration protion of ADHA. He can not focus for the life of him! It is so confusing to try and help him when I know
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