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Curious...how many survivors have been diagnosed with PTSD?
I ask this because its supposedly not very common...yet I have recent met 2 people that seem to have the symptoms
btw...what is economic abuse? chronic shopping?
btw...what is economic abuse? chronic shopping?
I'm a big believer in licensed professional therapists, but I'm also a huge believer in religious healing faith, and medications, and the comfort of others who understand, and everything that helps. Everything. When people find something that works for them, and gives them relief and hope, then it's worth hearing.
Like with the loss of a child, some parents get relief by reaching out to help others in that situation - some people get relief by putting energy into giving extra care to their surviving family members, some get professional therapy or medications. Neither is better, it depends on what helps the individuals cope.
Licensed therapists are not the only way to deal with PTSD or any other problems. There are always multiple ways, and those voices need to be heard, because there are people who could benefit from those stories and messages of hope.
Like with the loss of a child, some parents get relief by reaching out to help others in that situation - some people get relief by putting energy into giving extra care to their surviving family members, some get professional therapy or medications. Neither is better, it depends on what helps the individuals cope.
Licensed therapists are not the only way to deal with PTSD or any other problems. There are always multiple ways, and those voices need to be heard, because there are people who could benefit from those stories and messages of hope.
my best THERAPY was when i was in group sessions and we talked about how we all coped and dealt with things and gave EACH OTHER support and advice thats pretty much how i have made it so far. I could do without the so called proffessionals who only wanted to get the money from each visit so they kept finding new reasons why i had to come back week after week. so i think it just depends on how each individual does better in certain types of things.
and yes margy i agree with you about this forum not being full of experts i am here to share what i have gone through and help others i shouldnt have to have my opinion clouded by others EVERYONE on here deserves to have THEIR OWN VOICE HEARD.
and yes margy i agree with you about this forum not being full of experts i am here to share what i have gone through and help others i shouldnt have to have my opinion clouded by others EVERYONE on here deserves to have THEIR OWN VOICE HEARD.
This forum was never meant to be an Expert health forum ,I agree perhaps this forum could be left to us' un' expert folks and , the people who want to endlessly plug Therapy and medications,consultation, etc etc could go give the input on the expert" forum.; I have always advocated that there should be counselling, and therapy but I dont consider it the first response, I have tried to give my point of view as a survivor but have been met with remarks and invalidation
Amphetrite: 'But my opinion and knowlege stops there and any further questions as anna pointed out can be asked on teh mental health expert fprum'.
yes, and there you can find out all the professional truth, and nothing but the truth, and the way it all really exactly is, and what is right for you and what is not.
Professionals teach valuable lessons in how to cope how to deal with trauma. Professionals aren't there to direct life or give answers. If they do you have the wrong one. There are boundaries within a theraputic relationship to keep transferance to a minimum (seeing the therapist as a mother/father figure) and if such feelings arise they are talked about in an appropriate way.
Some people are anyi-psychology/antipsychiatry. And honestly, that's they're decision, it's their life they have to live.
PTSD is a very serious and devestating condition and yes to help learn coping skills that are healthy a prifessional is needed. No human being can get rid of flashbacks by themselves by ignoring them or pretending they're not there. Flashbacks and other PTSD symptoms again are extreamly devestating to a persons life and they deserve as much help as possible which puts much emphasis on a mental health professional.
Would anyone tell a vietam vet with PTSD who lost his family and job and is now living on teh streets because his PTSD has overtakedn his life because he had no professional help that therapy can damage him?
I think they're is a tendancy to copare PTSD depending on what trauma it has resulted from. But PTSD from whatever trauma it has resulted is serious and devestating.
Professional mental health intervention is invaluable when it comes to such effects of trauma.
It's not a matter of different opinions. It's a matter of what has proven to help PTSD sufferers and that is therapy and medication support. No reseach supports dealing successfully with PTSD without ome kind of professional intervention.
Therapy is what someone makes it and transference is very common. It's infact so common that most therapist have their own therapist so that they can pick out transferance more easily and deal with it.
The relationship between therapist and client is a close one because of the nature of what is happening during sessions but boundaries are in place and if somoene see's their therapist as a parental figure and isolates from their family because of that then they need to discuss that because it's obviously an issue of how they feel about their relationship with their parents and how they're needs aren't being met. And when it comes to transference and seeing a therapist as a parent figure the person is usually missing the desire of emotional closeness and acceptance from their family and it's an oppertunity to work on those issues.
But getting professional help isn't a...I have to convince someone treatment can be damaging or successful. It's about someone getting the help they need to live their life the way they would like to.
And if someone is anti-psychiatry/psycology then that's their decision and in my opinion dealing with such trauma such as child abuse and PTSD should be kept as a personal opinion as the point is to help people get their life back not make them wonder if getting a therapist to work through their issues which are life altering is worth the time.
That last paragraph is my own opinion. The rest comes from the school of thought that professional help is beneficial in many different ways. And speaking a a mental health professional I obviously support how invaluable therapy/psychiatry is.
But my opinion and knowlege stops there and any further questions as anna pointed out can be asked on teh mental health expert fprum
Some people are anyi-psychology/antipsychiatry. And honestly, that's they're decision, it's their life they have to live.
PTSD is a very serious and devestating condition and yes to help learn coping skills that are healthy a prifessional is needed. No human being can get rid of flashbacks by themselves by ignoring them or pretending they're not there. Flashbacks and other PTSD symptoms again are extreamly devestating to a persons life and they deserve as much help as possible which puts much emphasis on a mental health professional.
Would anyone tell a vietam vet with PTSD who lost his family and job and is now living on teh streets because his PTSD has overtakedn his life because he had no professional help that therapy can damage him?
I think they're is a tendancy to copare PTSD depending on what trauma it has resulted from. But PTSD from whatever trauma it has resulted is serious and devestating.
Professional mental health intervention is invaluable when it comes to such effects of trauma.
It's not a matter of different opinions. It's a matter of what has proven to help PTSD sufferers and that is therapy and medication support. No reseach supports dealing successfully with PTSD without ome kind of professional intervention.
Therapy is what someone makes it and transference is very common. It's infact so common that most therapist have their own therapist so that they can pick out transferance more easily and deal with it.
The relationship between therapist and client is a close one because of the nature of what is happening during sessions but boundaries are in place and if somoene see's their therapist as a parental figure and isolates from their family because of that then they need to discuss that because it's obviously an issue of how they feel about their relationship with their parents and how they're needs aren't being met. And when it comes to transference and seeing a therapist as a parent figure the person is usually missing the desire of emotional closeness and acceptance from their family and it's an oppertunity to work on those issues.
But getting professional help isn't a...I have to convince someone treatment can be damaging or successful. It's about someone getting the help they need to live their life the way they would like to.
And if someone is anti-psychiatry/psycology then that's their decision and in my opinion dealing with such trauma such as child abuse and PTSD should be kept as a personal opinion as the point is to help people get their life back not make them wonder if getting a therapist to work through their issues which are life altering is worth the time.
That last paragraph is my own opinion. The rest comes from the school of thought that professional help is beneficial in many different ways. And speaking a a mental health professional I obviously support how invaluable therapy/psychiatry is.
But my opinion and knowlege stops there and any further questions as anna pointed out can be asked on teh mental health expert fprum
You are right, and I agree with you about therapy. it's just so important to find one that is right for you, and that is really hard to do, and know, sometimes. Thanks, Kat
PS: I have had the worst and the very best of therapists. I am one myself, in fact. The one advice I would give is the following. Do not see, or stay with a therapist who is controlling, and who is distant in a way that he/she rarely says what he/she thinks. That stuff makes you very, very dependent, and if the therapist encourages this, it is not good.
Groups are great, but unfortunately there are even less well trained group therapists. but I love groups.
Groups are great, but unfortunately there are even less well trained group therapists. but I love groups.
I didn't say it was easy to find a good therapist. Someone asked a question about diagnosis and recommended medical treatment for PTSD from childhood sexual abuse.
The question was not about non-medical treatment.
You are an exceptional person.
The question was not about non-medical treatment.
You are an exceptional person.
I agree with RockRose. Therapy is a very powerful thing, and because of that, it can often take on different directions. (and the more highly trained the therapist, usually the stronger the impact)
It can really, really help, and it can also really, really 'hurt' and 'damage'.
I believe that one reason why shrinks are so much, or so often against Religion is because Psychology and Religion are in many ways so similar. much about psychology is really a matter of belief, and many therapists are not well trained and/or experienced. They often are way too loving in the beginning, and to a point when/where a patient drops his family because they now have the 'perfect mother'. And then, when things become more tuff, and especially when the patient becomes too dependent on the therapist, he/she will withdraw, and in the end...anyway, I don't think experiences are usually all good or all bad. I can learn much from mistakes and no therapist, and/or other helpful person, is, or even ought to be 'perfect'.
OK, I am talked out. Kat
It can really, really help, and it can also really, really 'hurt' and 'damage'.
I believe that one reason why shrinks are so much, or so often against Religion is because Psychology and Religion are in many ways so similar. much about psychology is really a matter of belief, and many therapists are not well trained and/or experienced. They often are way too loving in the beginning, and to a point when/where a patient drops his family because they now have the 'perfect mother'. And then, when things become more tuff, and especially when the patient becomes too dependent on the therapist, he/she will withdraw, and in the end...anyway, I don't think experiences are usually all good or all bad. I can learn much from mistakes and no therapist, and/or other helpful person, is, or even ought to be 'perfect'.
OK, I am talked out. Kat
Please see my last post.
If you have doubts about the benefits of medical/professional treatment, consultation with health care professionals can resolve your questions. There is also a mental health forum here on Med Help.
If you have doubts about the benefits of medical/professional treatment, consultation with health care professionals can resolve your questions. There is also a mental health forum here on Med Help.
Yes, many medical treatments are brand new. With the discovery of bacteria, and viruses, and antibiotics, modern chemistry medicine has leaped forward in enormous steps. In the last 50 years, we have defeated polio and small pox and diptheria and rotoviruses that kill third world children.
Emotional problems are a different story. We have yet to create vaccines for any of mental illnesses, and psychiatry/psychology/therapy is as much an art as it is a science.
There is a reason not everyone is helped by psychiatrists and therapists. It's because humans are all an approximation on the mean. Some are not willing to accept social therapy, some don't benefit from it although they are willing to try.
That's the value of forums like this. There are many stories, many needs, many answers.
Paid professional therapy isn't the answer for everyone. Sometimes, other voices of wisdom because they have experienced healing in other ways than that are helpful.
Emotional problems are a different story. We have yet to create vaccines for any of mental illnesses, and psychiatry/psychology/therapy is as much an art as it is a science.
There is a reason not everyone is helped by psychiatrists and therapists. It's because humans are all an approximation on the mean. Some are not willing to accept social therapy, some don't benefit from it although they are willing to try.
That's the value of forums like this. There are many stories, many needs, many answers.
Paid professional therapy isn't the answer for everyone. Sometimes, other voices of wisdom because they have experienced healing in other ways than that are helpful.
Many medical studies, treatments and medications are relatively new--antibiotics, vaccines, surgeries, and psychotherapy are a few examples. In the last century; the suffering of trauma victims has benefitted from the progress of modern medicine/psychology, and humane, effective treatment has become available.
If you have doubts about the benefits of medical/professional treatment, consultation with health care professionals can resolve your questions. There is also a mental health forum here on Med Help.
If you have doubts about the benefits of medical/professional treatment, consultation with health care professionals can resolve your questions. There is also a mental health forum here on Med Help.
Humans have existed for several millenia. PTSD has certainly dogged every single generation of humans, from the time of the Neanderthals, and they have coped in a huge variety of ways. Redirecting their life energy, exercising, journaling, discussing the incident with others who experienced it, etc.
Therapists are very, very new to the human experience. Before therapists, humans found other ways to cope and get each other (and themselves, alone) through crises.
Therapists are very, very new to the human experience. Before therapists, humans found other ways to cope and get each other (and themselves, alone) through crises.
This was a question based off of curiosity about PTSD and the rate of survivors who may have it. The ONLY way to treat PTSD is through therapy and medications suuport if nessesary. When it comes to PTSD, it's nice to have friends but if someone wants to get better they need therapy. It's just the way it is.
Where does the friendly Human touch come in here surely its not all about going for therapy,and recommendations, and consultations, where is it written thats all there is to healing? dont we come to these Forums for the aspect and experience of others why has it got to be based on all about therapy , surely everyone is allowed to express their opinion and give their advice as they see it , when did this Forum change to be so cold and calculated. Advise on Therapy and counselling is okay but its not what the folks come for they come for empathy and compassion it would be good for us to remember that.
Therapy is recommended for the estimated 90% of children and adults who suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, as a result of childhood sexual abuse or adult sexual assault, just as it is for any treatable mental condition that is classified as a “disorder.”
Many cases go undiagnosed and untreated. The effects of lack of treatment are described throught out the professional literature, and can include self-mutilation, suicide, drug addiction, and relational disorders.
Therapy is variable in length and type, depending on individual factors. Therapy is currently available to almost everyone. A Med Help doctor has recently assembled a pamphlet on counseling resources. It will be made available on the Health Pages here, also.
Symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome are described in the National Institutes of Health Pamphlet, posted yesterday on the Health Pages for this forum. Health Pages are accessible by clicking on the button marked “Health Pages” at the top right of this page.
As a Med Help medical/professional health forum, patients here, in consultation with doctors, seek to find the best possible treatment. A combination of medication and therapy form the norm, with group therapy often indicated.
Resources for community help, therapy and others kinds of assistance are offered here. Sharing common experiences on this forum can also be healing, a kind of additional, informal “therapy” and support.
It is important to consider that PTSD must be looked at with professional guidelines, and that it can happen to anyone, at any age, for a variety of factors, including the death of a loved one, a national disaster, or witnessing violence. The Health Page on this topic offers additional information of this kind.
Many cases go undiagnosed and untreated. The effects of lack of treatment are described throught out the professional literature, and can include self-mutilation, suicide, drug addiction, and relational disorders.
Therapy is variable in length and type, depending on individual factors. Therapy is currently available to almost everyone. A Med Help doctor has recently assembled a pamphlet on counseling resources. It will be made available on the Health Pages here, also.
Symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome are described in the National Institutes of Health Pamphlet, posted yesterday on the Health Pages for this forum. Health Pages are accessible by clicking on the button marked “Health Pages” at the top right of this page.
As a Med Help medical/professional health forum, patients here, in consultation with doctors, seek to find the best possible treatment. A combination of medication and therapy form the norm, with group therapy often indicated.
Resources for community help, therapy and others kinds of assistance are offered here. Sharing common experiences on this forum can also be healing, a kind of additional, informal “therapy” and support.
It is important to consider that PTSD must be looked at with professional guidelines, and that it can happen to anyone, at any age, for a variety of factors, including the death of a loved one, a national disaster, or witnessing violence. The Health Page on this topic offers additional information of this kind.
I believe that not too may get diagnosed I didnt but have had the symptoms of PTSD I come to this forum to help from my point of view ,what has happened to me That is what this Forum has been all about most people cannot afford the high price of Therapy and the information and help from folks who have had similar experience is invaluable its our story , so guys please continue to send in your experiences and I will continue to help in my own way.
Oh also, there is a PTSD forum here which some of us use. We do have a thread about survivors and PTSD. You'll just have to look through the forum a little maybe to find it.
Amph
Amph
Economic abuse consists of an aray of different types of things being done..for instance a spouse controlling the finances and not allowing the other access to money. A spouse not allowing the other to work and refusing to give them accesss to finances...so on
Of you other question, it's not an easy one to answer as the effects of child abuse are different in people. It is common to develop PTSD from child abuse but the percentage and rates of that...I think you may do better looking that up online because it;s not every survivor but there are signifigant amounts. I believe out of the survivors online on this site..about half of us, if not 90% of us have experiences PTSD or PTSD like symptoms. Remember also that people remain undiagnosed.
PTSD isn't a mental illness but only an aray of symptoms that explain certain issues and behaviors stemming from truama. Being that child abuse is an extreamly traumatic experience PTSD isn't actually uncommon.
Amph
Of you other question, it's not an easy one to answer as the effects of child abuse are different in people. It is common to develop PTSD from child abuse but the percentage and rates of that...I think you may do better looking that up online because it;s not every survivor but there are signifigant amounts. I believe out of the survivors online on this site..about half of us, if not 90% of us have experiences PTSD or PTSD like symptoms. Remember also that people remain undiagnosed.
PTSD isn't a mental illness but only an aray of symptoms that explain certain issues and behaviors stemming from truama. Being that child abuse is an extreamly traumatic experience PTSD isn't actually uncommon.
Amph
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