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After much thought today, I have finally decided that I am going to see a sub doc.  I have called and left a message to make an appointment.  I figured I might as well post this so I can give you guys updates - just in case anyone wants to try it too.  I know that I can no longer do this on my own and if I do not have to feel the brunt of the w/d's more power to me right?  So that is my plan.  I will let you guys know how it goes tomorrow.  Hopefully I can get in tomorrow!

luv,

shel
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243614 tn?1266197537
Shel,  I didn't know that was legal.  I know if you try to renew a prescription and they see you had another prescription of similar drug filled, they won't do it.
That happened to me a couple of weeks ago and I thought I would die.  I felt like a criminal.  It wasn't the pharmacy it was the insurance that denied because of that other prescription.  You never replied on your primary care doctor.  Won't he or she write you a script for clonidine??  It is blood pressure meds, so that shouldn't be a problem.  TJack
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You are right.   We don't think right.  One day I have one plan, and the next day another.  I just want ME back.   But, i just wanted you to know your medical records and history is no ones business, it is the law.  Even our insurance company cannot know.  If a dr. writes a script that is the way it is.
It is a caravan tour.  Starts in Calgary.  Go to Caravan tours on your search engine.   You will see the Canadian Rockies tour.  Click there.  It will tell you everything.   I just pray I am not a mess during that time.  I want to quit these drugs and try the clonidine but am afraid.  But, i really should because if I don't I will be out and in the middle of WD on that trip.  Let's hang in there together.
You already know you can do this.  You were 2 mos. without!!   TJack
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I want me back too!  Thank you for the info on the medical records - I have heard stories that states now check pharmacies, docs and internet orders to see if you are doc shopping?  I thought they could not share that information too.  One person here was put on a black list, I believe it was in NY, because her insurance company reported her getting the same meds from different docs.  So she could not get narcos from anywhere in the state or something like that.

I looked up the tour - looks like a lot of fun.  I heard that the clonodine works very well - my friend marcatj has been using it and she seems to be doing very well.  I think you will too!  The tour comes throught the top portion of my state.  Looks like you are going to see a lot fo beautiful sights.  I hope you have a great time and that the clon. works for you.

shel
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I am off hydro's since 3 pm yesterday.  I was clean for almost two months and then my family came to town and I rationalized taking them yet again.  I have been using for a couple weeks.  My town is 1200! lol  Really, really tiny.  I do not have a script.  If I go I will go to Billings - the biggest city in the state but I am still worried - guess I am not thinking straight right now either.  

Tour?  What kind of tour - ok none of my business! lol

Thank you for your help and kind words.

shel
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243614 tn?1266197537
Hon,  i am not brave really.  This tour has been scheduled for months.  Plus, i am not off hydro as of yet.  Are you?  Are you in wd now?  I too am in a small town, 20,000 people in Oregon.  But, don't be afraid of anyone knowing.  That is what Hippa did for us.  No one can share your medical records without your permission. Do you have a dr.?  Who has written your hydro codone scripts?
Couldn't you talk to that dr.?  I did talk to mine.  I came clean with her.  That is why she wrote the clonidine script.  Plus I told her about the sub study and that i can't get into it till sept. 10.  All my best to you as well.  TJack
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TJack I do not.  I am thinking about going to the er and telling them why I need it.  I am still debating though.  I am afraid to have the addiction on my record - I live in Montana and it is a small state with even smaller cities.  I wish I knew someone that had it but I am not sure how i would bring it up.  Yu hang in there too and I am sending best wishes your way.  You are brave to travel feeling like this.

all my best,

shel
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Shelby, do you have any clonidine?   I read some posts yesterday that said if we have that it is a breeze to cold turkey.  Well, i have a bottle, my dr. wrote the script but i didn't realize it would be that much of a help.  It is blood pressure med.  Someone yesterday told me to pitch the hydro (which is a scarey thought) and take the clonidine.  Wouldn't it be great if it did make it that easy to cold turkey? Hang in there.  We will get through this.  I am going to Canada in 10 days.  Wish i could buy a bottle of sub up there, but I don't think it is available without a script.  TJack
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Thank you for taking the time to post.  I am sorry you could not get in sooner as well.  I would also pay them - anything at this point.  Thanks again for posting - any support sure helps.

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I called last week myself, thinking i could get in fast.   I was told i could come talk to them so i did and they are doing a study that i was accepted for, but I cannot start that until Sept. 10 and that was with them pushing me ahead.  To get to see the doctor for the sub and not be in the study would be a longer wait yet.  It was a surprise to me too.  She did tell me if someone didn't show they would call me and I could get in sooner.  The study is free, and in fact she told me they would give me gift certificates for as much as $675. to Walmart.  Heck, i would pay them that much just to get in there fast.  Good luck to you.
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Do you remember the other day that you felt like this and the next day turned around?  These friggin drugs make us not think straight - they can make us depressed.  I know first hand.  I never had problems with depression or anxiety attacks until I was a constant user.  These things are evil.  The temporary high is so fleeting.  I am still tapering - tomorrow after work that is it.  I will be calling all over the place for help.  I know I will be a basket case but I know what it is like on the other side.  I have never felt stronger about quiting.  You know what I will probably be whining and crying all weekend but thats ok.  That is what we do for each other.  When you feel like this i want you to tell us about it.  You are never a downer!  It would be a downer if you were not here!  If you stop posting that is the only time I would be upset with you.  Relax tonight.   Do something nice for yourself - maybe bibble bath with kitty?  You are strong hopey - even if you do not know it right this second.  I think I am going to have a little competition with Tim - he has a head start but I will make it up some how! lol

love you sweetheart!

xoxoxo

shel
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216878 tn?1196037520
Some Doctors i called where about that much too, but couldn't get me in for a month, and i told them heck by that time i will be clean, i told them i needed help now! The other dr. that could get me in in 2 days was the one that was very expensive. Thought it was rediculious! By the time it was all said and done, after my first visit and for all the sub and the rest of my visits i would have had like $2,000.00 or more into it...

I am in PA.......There are only like 4 drs. around here that deal with that, and the one dr. that is only right up the road from me, heck he just got busted for selling drugs, and he is in it just for the money. He was the one that charged over $2000.00, i can't believe they still let him run his business. He got fined and spent 30 days in jail just got out like 2 months ago, and now back in his office again. I wouldn't trust him anyway....
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The ultram.  I said the same thing about it because it was so different from the vicodin or opiate feeling. I understand it is in the opiate family and opiod whatever the heck that is.   All it does for me is keep the wds away.  Just like sub.   Then after the 10 days when I stopped the ultram I had mild wds, nothing like the ones I had from opiates.
It was like a miracle drug for me.   The thing is, it give absolutely no high.  It just makes me feel normal.   It is SO important to take no more than 300 mg a day.  The people I have seen that become addicted are taking 15-20 a day.   I take two 50 mg pills in the morning, at noon, and at night.   Then I take a xanax to sleep, two nights taking it then I skip a night on the xanax.
This time around myplan is to take the 300 mg the first three days, then decrease by 50 mg every 3 days.   I think by tapering the ultram I will have an even easier time when I stop.

Its a shame that dr. would charge so much.   I think that sub is so new that there are just certain guidelines they have to go by.  Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the methadone clinics are threatened by the sub.   Who knows.

Luv you hun,
tzt
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Ah Tz,

I hope when i wake up tomorrow i will feel completely different...I can't take another day like i had today.

Thanks for not minding me exploding, it felt good!

The Ultram has never done anything for me, as a matter of fact the doctor called me in a script for it, and it is still at the pharmacy, i never picked it up! LOL

How did it help you? Maybe i can try that...  ( - :

Luv u,
Hope
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I know Shelbs, it does tick me off...I could go on and on for hours about the government, it is soooo wrong they way they run things!

I know you will do it girl, and yes you need to catch up with our Timmy...LOL

I am so sorry for being such a bummer tonight, but geeezzzz what a day it has been. If it can go wrong it has, and i mean everything! I have never got so much bad news all in one day. I am so ready to flip! Just can't take anymore, why for once in my life can't just one thing go right? I swear i/my family has the worst luck ever. I am not going to name everything that has happend today, heck i would be here all night long if i did. It has just been nuts, and just seems so unfair!

Are you out of pills now? You starting c/t tomorrow? I think that is what you told me, i can't remember...Sorry!

I luv u pumpkin,
Hopey
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225213 tn?1213734690
Hmmmm.   I got funky information from the clinic I called.   Hope, they were only going to charge me $450 for the entire 30 day treatment.  Where do you live hun??

I decided to try to do it like I did last time and use the ultram.  I know some people get addicted to it but I found it very helpful last time I quit.   So I am officially done.  No more vikes.  

Hopey, you are the SOURCE OF JOY for not only us but for your hubby, your parents, your other family members and your beloved animals.

Please don't think of yourself as a disappointment.   You are NOT going to die young.  You have time to search for more answers and when its time you will stop.  I just know that.   I know its hard but you can pull yourself through this.   You can come here and explode any time you want, thats what we are here for.  

This might sound like a bunch of happy horse shizit but its true.  Really.   Feelings pass.  You might wake up tomorrow and feel completely different.  

Hang in there hun.  
hugs
tzt
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I know exactly what you mean and it is ok to get mad!  I felt that way today too and I had no idea that it was this difficult to get help.  Never occured to me!  Why would the government regulate something like this?  Are the drug companies paying them off or what?  What the h*ll is this all about?

So hopey i understand.  This country is screwed up sometimes but at least we can say that!  I am going to figure this out one way or the other tomorrow and if I don't I will still go c/t.  Nothing can stop me now.  Plus Tim has 2 days on me.  I have to catch up somehow! lol  And hopey when you are ready I will be here.  

love you hopey,

xoxoxo

shel
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At least i will feel happy! Might die young, but the way i feel right now, i don't care! Feel i don't got nothing to live for anyway!

All i am is one disappointment to the next!

Sorry for ruining the mood here, I will shut up now! Just needed to explode! I'll go somewhere else to do it!

Hope
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I don't even have any insurance right now, so i was willing to pay cash...Still got turned down, well not turned down, just couldn't get me in for a month....The one doctor said they could get me in think it was like 2 days later, and i was willing to do that, but he charged $1000.00 and that was just for the first visit, and i had to pay a couple hundred just for the sub on top of that...Then had to go back every week for a few weeks and each time i went back it was going to cost me $350.00...
That was rediculious, i thought! Especially when a few of the other Doctors i talked with only charged like $300 and that was for the visit and the sub....But figures, that was the dr. that couldn't get me in until a month later....Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr....get ticked off thinking about it! Cause i want HELP! Dammit can't get it! So unfair!
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I remember when i looked into the sub thing, i called over 5 docs. near me that uses sub, and NOT one of them could get me in, I told them all (while crying on the phone) i said, listen i am a mom and i can't do this on my own anymore. I really need help, please can't someone help me? There i was, begging and pleading for help, and i got turned down so many times. God, this ****** me off, i am not one to ask for help and to do this, it was hard on me, and still ended up with nothing. The earliest i could have gotten in was a month from the day i called. I said, this is bullsh**, i will be clean by then.

I think it is wrong, when we call and ask for help, and admit that we have a problem, and NO ONE will do anything about it. Not right at all...

Shel - can't hurt, just keep trying and see what you can find out. I wish you all the best, and God i hope someone can see you and help. I hope someday i can get into a sub dr. as well. Cause i know this is the only way i can beat this thing. I have tried on my own, and it isn't working. I can't keep being miserable and depressed and taking it out on my kids and family. This has got to stop!

Shel, You hang in there, and make those calls tomorrow, let me know what you find out, okay?

Hope
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Life is NOT fair........

Sorry, i feel like bitc**** tonight...Having a REALLY REALLY BAD day!

The people that want the help can't get it, and the ones who don't give a damm about anything in life seem to get it all.

Oh well - WHATEVER!

I might as well admit it, i will be a pill popper the rest of my life!
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Shelb.. don't let a little glitch stop you.  You may just have to put a little more planning into it, that's all.  I think it is a really good move for you, and if there is a will - there is a way.  For that I am certain...
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I don't agree with the government on a lot of their guidelines.  I am sure there are some docs out there just trying to make money.  At this point I would take one of those so I could get clean.  I know I need help and I wish I would have considered sub earlier but I guess I am going to have to live and learn on this one.  

mar - Don't worry I am not giving up on my plan - sub doc or addiction doc I am getting help.  Nothing will stop me now. :)
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looks like i may have to plan this out..I am not going to be able to be a mom like this..I will make an appt for sub, if it is 2 weeks then i will stick to my 4 a day till then..I don't know what else to do..
I feel like a damn failure..I want this but i can't fruntion to do what i need to do..I can only type because the laptop is in my bed..My kids just think i am sick..
I just don't know..any body with advice please
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TZT was just trying to help.  Federal guideline or not, if they are helping people I would not call that shady.
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