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Found a one quart bag of very fine green powder in my childs room.  A label on the bag said "VS" and "not for human consumption".  Another small one ounce bag of also a fine green powder was labeled "red VS" and "not for human consumption".  It did not have much of an odor and was definitly not pot.  I asked  the boy what it was and he said it's not spice, but, declined to say what it was.  He said "it's my medicine and need it to feel good".  Claims you mix it with orange juice to control blood pressure and "feel good".  Claims you can buy it off of the internet very cheap and it's legal.   He blew a gasket when I found it.  Very important for some reason.  Anybody have an idea of what this stuff is?
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Definitely kratom. But its really honestly not as bad as everyone says, fda wants to ban/regulate it because people recovering from opiates/heroin use it to keep from going through withdrawl and it helps with pain like opiates do but with less risk of addiction and actual potential health benefits rather than health risks. Its made from an ancient specimen of evergreen tree. Although i wouldnt see much reason to take it unless hes worried about going through withdrawl from something else or if he has bad pain that he would rather not take medications for which is actually pretty understandable. Bottom line is, if theres anything for him to be doing "drug" wise this is the least of your worries, still talk to him about it of course but this is like 1/10th as bad as anything else he could be on and rather than worrying about him using it id be more worried about why hes using it.
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No.   She is just the opposite and will not even drink soda.  Good student and plays hockey on the boys High School  hockey team.  
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495284 tn?1333894042
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Is your 15 yr old showing signs of using substances?
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Thank you for your help.  I thought it might be Salvia.  It did not have much of a sent.  He is 30 years old going on 17.  Very into substances of all kinds including health products, foods, excercise.  Very clever and secret.  Holding down a job but takes little responsibility for much else.  He was living under our roof for free but when I found this stuff in my car which he borrowed he became very upset, called a "friend" and moved out immediatly.  I offered to get him help such as rehab and he really blew a gasket.

I'll check out your URL.  My concerns don't stop with him.  We have a 15 year old daughter also.
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1700643 tn?1464846682
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&q=negative+effects+of+kramton&oq=negative+effects+of+kramton&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12...331.8092.0.10589.19.16.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3Bernk_mobile_unfiltered..0.0...1.1.N14akih2JPw
that is the url when google"side effects of using kramton". I read theough a couple links rhey are a lot of side effects and the risk of them,the severity of symptoms increases with how often it is used.It not recommended to use it more than1-2times a month n small doaes to avoid dependancy.also says that on forums that r generally about opiate dependancy its a topic for using it2get off opiates but has an opiate like effect including nearlt identical withdraw symptoms but they are more mild than hard core opiate abuser withdrawl symptoms(if u dnt dnt take it more than1-2times a month)it was repeated that this apecific info comes from opiatw addiction related forums which it seemed to me the article was insinuating those forums down play the risk.If used regularly ia is highly addictive just like opiates.In BOLD writing its says the biggest side effect is drowsiness/falling asleep w/o warning and u should never drive,operate heavy machinery,start boiling water(u could pass out&forget or pass out n the process of moving boiling water and get burned,dnt use power tools,basically dnt stand either lol.These warnings were specifically said with the statement"do not do these things whether u feel sleepy or feel like u r on a stimulant because u can fall asleep/nod off without warning.Side effects range from constipation,skin discoloration,vomiting to anorexia&death from taking large amounts because a tolerance is built very quickly.There is so any side effects and risks that range from.minor things to well death.Check out the urls I posted.Im interested n educating myself for general knowlege.Good luck
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1700643 tn?1464846682
sry4the spelling errors Im on my phone tying quickly&i cnt reread a post thats any longer than a few sentences&correct the errors w/o my phone just posting it and medhelp doesnt have an option to change anything once its posted.Im gonna find the negative effects on this and give u the url so u can c it as well.Here is the url I got through googling"green powder VS not for human consumption"
http://www.bikhuk.com/p/kratom-powder.html?m=1
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1700643 tn?1464846682
U can fo right to that link to learn some of the"strains" of kramton powder.Each give a different effect of intoxication(he has2kinds so he is taking each4a different"buzz"also the page tells u hiw long each takes2kick in,how much to take for what level of intoxication u r trying to obtain(basically if u want a little buzz takeXamount if u wanna get real buzzed X amount,wasted X amount.I cnt believe that I googled"geen powder not for human consumption VS" thats all and this came up immediately.Im familiar w/so many drugs but this is obviously not one UNTIL NOW.Theres different1's for stimulant buzz,mellow buzz(tranquilizer) etc.I dnt understand how they can say on the same page as the different strands,how much TO INGEST for different levels of intoxication,the names of different strands and the type of buzz u will get but n the middle of the page there disclaimer us basically"this is not intended for human consumption"but this information comes from natives who have ingested the plant/herb they are of average weight,these r the amounts if each they took to get the desired effect"as well as the"to order press here"button.WOW.Sry I know im rambling im shocked this isnt illegal(also Ive seen people here say they used kramton for there detox process and it was basically put out on here by people who used it as a dietary/vitamin type supplement.Been a member600+days.Why dnt I know about this.
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1700643 tn?1464846682
http://www.bikhuk.com/p/kratom-powder.html?m=1
found exactly what it is.Its called Kramton so the above poster is absolutely correct.
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1700643 tn?1464846682
1st he shouldnt be saying I drink it with orange juice when it says NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.I am a mom of a3yr old BUT I get no matter how old they r always going to be a child to mom.Please let us know his age&Im assuming he lives with u.Whether he is a minor or not if he is under ur roof so"he blew a gasket" well WHO CARES how he reacted I hope u dnt.He has something that sounds like he is getting high on n ur home.Im sry but n my opinion when it comes to the well being of ur boy u can do/say whatever u need to so u can get the truth and make sure they r safe.It really does sound like this kid is kind of running the show.He shouldnt be TELLING u anything n a disrespectful manner and he sounds like he had a very smart mouth about this.I can repeat what others have said but I dnt feel it neccesary because u have already read it and both of the above posters r absolutely correct.Also just for your knowlege u can buy A LOT of illegal things on the internet.Its easy to obtain narcotic pills without a prescription online(like xanax,soma,lortab,oxycodone,roxicodone,oxycontin&any other pill u can imagine.Ive been told its as easy as paying a fee4a dr from another country(like Cananda which is the moat common country Ive heard of that does this)they just"write a script"for whatever u want,it gets faxed2a pharmacy(not sure there is a real pharmacy it even goes to as Ive never done this but have been told many times how easy it is from people who do)they pharmacy will send u as many of the pills,n whatever strength u want for the right price&they will get mailed right2ur door.Does that sound normal?NOPE.U cant go into a drs office and say"I want180oxycontin40mg"for example.Look it up u will find1000sites w/the pills,strengths&prices for how much for each different amount.I told u that long story because u need2understand just because its"from the internet,not illegal"doesnt mean much of anything.U cant order pot rwady2smoke but u can order seeds w/directions&they will arrive&the newest trend is pot plants that"bud" n60days(budding means ready to smoke or sell.In sure u get my point here.I dnt usually do this but im gonna goggle what u described&come back2let u know what it is.Lastly2control his BP.WOW thats the dumbest excuse Ive ever heard.He didnt put thought n that at all(sry seems like he didnt care enough to get a real excuse/reason because he thinks he is running things&can do what he wants)
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Could be Kratom.  It is bought online, and they put "not for human consumption" on it to please the FDA and DEA.  Otherwise, it would be illegal.  On the sites, it sells itself by saying, "it's incense for burning" or some crap.  

The thing is that he's YOUR child, underage, living in your home???  I'd toss it and send him to rehab before it's too late.  That may sound harsh, but you may be saving his life.  This is what you actually found.  I wonder what he has or has had that you didn't find?  If he came unhinged by your finding it, that says a lot for how "attached" he is to his drugs already.  NOT a good sign!
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480448 tn?1426948538
He said "it's my medicine and need it to feel good".  

How old is he?  You say "child".  You need to be VERY firm with him, let him know who is in charge.  It almost sounds like he is running the show.

Set very firm and clear boundaries, and there should be some kind of consequence.  Obviously, if he is not Rx'd a medication, he shouldn't be ingesting anything you don't know about, to "feel good".

Does he have high blood pressure?  Why would he think it was important to control his BP?  You need to explain to him that in someone with a normal BP, any agent that drops it can be dangerous.

Hope you threw it away...this needs handled with authority, IMO.

Good luck!
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495284 tn?1333894042
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Does it have a smell to it?  I know Spice is an incense that the young kids are smoking and it is very dangerous.
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