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I've been on sub's for a week or so now. and now I had to take a 5mg vicodin because my wisdom teeth is hurting bad coudn't take One of the worst pain in you're body part....=( I feel so ashame...I'm not touching nothing anymore how I got it in the first place? To be honest, I asked my friend , But he isn't an addict. I told him just give me one to stop the PAIN....But I'm serious on quitting. I really need to Kick this OR i'ma be depress and just think negative like I did before...Thanks for being real and supporting me...Love y'all..
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The normal pain meds like hydrocodone and oxycodone are usually gone in 3-5 days. The suboxone has a lot longer half life than pain meds and its in your system longer it varies cause of the difference in ppl metabolism but usually 3-5 days and the hydrocodone will be gone
Yes subs do block other opiates as they are supposed to like nurse girl said but the reason they are blocked is not because of narcan when subs are taken sublingually narcan does not have any effect because it does not enter the bloodstream and is only in suboxone to detur ppl from injecting it. Bupernorphine is what blocks other opiates because it binds to the receptors so hard that other opiates cannot knock it off and is also why when suboxone or subutex is taken too soon after a pain killer it causes precipitated withdrawal because it knocks the pain med off the receptors and takes its place and causes precipitated withdrawal because it does not I guess you could say turn the receptors on as much as the opiates in pain meds do so the body pretty much goes into shock because of this.
I think Nursegirl is correct, when on Subs. don't take anything else, it will not do anything, and could make you sick! The Subs. block other Opiates. Remember, this is GOOD! This is what I was told and heard this from other Opiate users. Good luck and work it!
Hi Weaver , You said it all { I understand the pain, but nothing hurts more than a life of active addiction } . .. Ron
Thank y'all, I will keep y'all posted with more...sigh...Again Thank's for taking y'all time to give advice and support me. Even my own family dosen't show support, It's whatever to them. I know I'm older but I ain't OLD...teenager basically 22...But Anyways Thanks...I just need to find SOMETHING TO DO i don't have any friends anymore. I feel ashame of myself tho, everyone moving up on life and I was sitting home getting high. Now Reality Hit...HARD>!
You received great advice and info. Abritt is right on with the technical info, many people make the mistake of thinking Narcan, or Naloxone, is what causes precipitated withdrawal and blocks opiate receptors. Buprenorphine is intended as a part of a complete recovery program. Subs are powerful opiates and should be used with knowledge, caution, and respect. Nursegirl is right on about some kind or meetings and aftercare, cutting sources, and tell doctors and a friend about your recovery. Subs can be a great tool to get a support system in place or they can be an added struggle. There will always be excuses and legitimate reasons to use, but I've had to change my thinking, no just my habits. Don't beat yourself up, the hydros didn't do anything anyway, but do something different, so this doesn't happen again. 12 step meetings give me accountability, remind me of where I'm from, and why I need to stay focused on recovery, rather than the reasons I may have to use. I broke my jaw and have had my wisdom teeth pulled, so I understand the pain, but nothing hurts more than a life of active addiction.
I willl ASAP...it kinda stop hurting but I actually set up appointment for the dentist thanks y'all, I will keep y'all posted! MORNING also! Well over here =)
The bupenorphine in suboxone is what actually blocks other opiates and stops the high because it binds to the receptors so tight and doesn't let other drugs thru. Narcan is put in suboxone to keep ppl from injecting. Which is why subutex is not prescribed for at home use but still blocks the effects of other opiates but has no narcan in it. When taken sublingually narcan does not even enter the bloodstream but if injected it serves its point and throws the user into precipitated withdrawal.
I want to give a little advice on that tooth, as I'm in the dental field. NSAIDS are the best to eliminate mouth pain. Ibuprofen, advil, Now with that, an infected tooth is SERIOUS! Please don't wait long to get this addressed. The only way to get rid of the pain is get to the source, the source is infection. Antibiotics would help with pain more than narcotics at this point, IF that's what it is. Not only is the infection painful but so dangerous to your health. Again eliminating pain would get the tooth pulled. Other options are available if it were not a wisdom tooth to salvage. Please get this tooth fixed immediately.
The narcan in Suboxone will actually block the opiates, making the Vicodin pretty much null and void. It's pointless to take an opiate while on Suboxone. When you're on Sub, you need to be 100% honest with your doctor about what you are taking, and come up up with a different plan for treating the pain.
Tell this friend and any other that you're trying to get clean. You need to dump your sources. Dental pain is one of those things that almost ALWAYS has a solution. I've had a lot of pretty extreme dental work done, and have never required a narcotic pain killer. People seems to INSIST on an opiate pain med for every kind of dental work!
YOU have to cover all bases...get rid of the sources, tell someone, and start going to meetings of some sort. Again, you might has well not bother taking an opiate at all while on Suboxone, the narcan will block the opiate, which means no high, AND no pain control.
Tell this friend and any other that you're trying to get clean. You need to dump your sources. Dental pain is one of those things that almost ALWAYS has a solution. I've had a lot of pretty extreme dental work done, and have never required a narcotic pain killer. People seems to INSIST on an opiate pain med for every kind of dental work!
YOU have to cover all bases...get rid of the sources, tell someone, and start going to meetings of some sort. Again, you might has well not bother taking an opiate at all while on Suboxone, the narcan will block the opiate, which means no high, AND no pain control.
Burn Shame Burn? For the sake of getting down on ya,... you have a sorce?
Unfortunantly an infected tooth can be extremely painful, you are being tested. Be strong. Get the tooth yanked ASAP.
I kinda thought the subs would have been ample. Did the pill work? Based on subs bonding to opiate/nerve receptors and blocking other forms of opiates, was wondering.
Unfortunantly an infected tooth can be extremely painful, you are being tested. Be strong. Get the tooth yanked ASAP.
I kinda thought the subs would have been ample. Did the pill work? Based on subs bonding to opiate/nerve receptors and blocking other forms of opiates, was wondering.
Yes I understand...Thanks...Really hard...I play basketball and excersie, play game, watch movies to help kill time...you know how long it gets out of your ssytem? Ive been addicted to it since 09...
In my mind this is what I will be struggling with the most. Time you really need a pill, a time when the pain of something is too unbearable and you don't really have an option. The problem starts when you, in your mind, exaggerate that pain to become something more than it is. Then you have to remember not to continue once you don't need it any more. CONTROL yourself is what needs to happen.
If that is hard then add safeguards. Tell your friend, "only one." Tell your doctor to not give you more than what you need, you can do that by asking, "How long should I really be feeling pain, on average, and how many pills would I really need?" Then just tell them you don't like the idea of "Pain Pills" and you don't want to be on them longer than you need to. That says nothing about an addiction, not cry for help, just someone who cares about their health.
That is going to be my demon, teeth and my wonderful Kidney Stones. You have to safeguard and know your trigger, and then prevent it at all costs. I would say using for a purpose, medically, is not a relapse, but the second you decide that "just one more" or "I think its an 8.5 of 10" when its really a 5, just to tell yourself its ok... Then you need to just throw that stuff in the garbage disposal. Then when you know you're done, either give it to your friend to hold for those times or just toss it in the water.
You're OK buddy, you're asking for help, you're telling us what happened, and I think that puts you ahead of the game. Don't come asking for false positive reinforcement though, because then you are making all of us your excuse pigeons. Good luck, friend.
-MS
If that is hard then add safeguards. Tell your friend, "only one." Tell your doctor to not give you more than what you need, you can do that by asking, "How long should I really be feeling pain, on average, and how many pills would I really need?" Then just tell them you don't like the idea of "Pain Pills" and you don't want to be on them longer than you need to. That says nothing about an addiction, not cry for help, just someone who cares about their health.
That is going to be my demon, teeth and my wonderful Kidney Stones. You have to safeguard and know your trigger, and then prevent it at all costs. I would say using for a purpose, medically, is not a relapse, but the second you decide that "just one more" or "I think its an 8.5 of 10" when its really a 5, just to tell yourself its ok... Then you need to just throw that stuff in the garbage disposal. Then when you know you're done, either give it to your friend to hold for those times or just toss it in the water.
You're OK buddy, you're asking for help, you're telling us what happened, and I think that puts you ahead of the game. Don't come asking for false positive reinforcement though, because then you are making all of us your excuse pigeons. Good luck, friend.
-MS
THank's I just want this out of my system now for GOOD i'm serious..I do about a tiny piece a day of sub and yeah 1 whole trip probably can last me a week.
Taking 5mg hydrocodone after taking any amount of suboxone isn't going to do anything tho because hydrocodone is not anywhere near strong enough to knock the bupenorphine(that's the active narcotic in the subs just incase u were saying what the hell is that haha) the suboxone would help the pain more than the hydrocodone honestly because it was way way way stronger than hydrocodone. Hydrocodone is 2/3 stronger than morphine while bupenorphine is 40x stronger than morphine and plus it binds to the opiate receptors way way stronger than your normal pain killers which is why taking pain killers after taking suboxone will do nothing because the suboxone blocks it. But either way don't get to down or be to hard on yourself because it has happened to all of us at be point or another just keep your head up and stay on the right track and put it behind you
Good Luck and Godspeed
ABritt
Good Luck and Godspeed
ABritt
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