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Best way to stop taking Suboxone????
I have been on Subs for over 6 months now and want to stop depending on these damn strips to get by day by day. Any suggestions? I will reply to this post with a brief summary of how this all started. I will also update every few days whenever I decide to quit with info on how my withdraws and everything is going to hopefully prepare others who wish to quit as well.
I am now on 6 from 12mgs. I found 4 hard. But Our pills only come in 8 mgs and 2mgs. They said that the 2 mgs could not be split, or too hard, etc. so i have been jumping by 2's. Does the Nurse from clinic know if they split the 2's into 1/4, therefore 0.1 or 1 mgs down, rather then 2 mgs. How long is the general withdrawal and PAWS GENERALLY last if on for less then year! Just experiences. How long was your experience at worst. Able to do common things again, able to work and work out! I have changed my diet, am working out! But I want out sooner then later. Thanks all!
Highballer, you're right, though I was mentioning standar practice, not advice. If you noticed, Claire gave me a friendly warning shortly after our comments.
BailMac, how are things going? Did you talk to your sub provider about a slower taper? How are you holding up?
BailMac, how are things going? Did you talk to your sub provider about a slower taper? How are you holding up?
Greetings you should really try Gabapetin. Sub has a lot of problems built into it.
I went off a 120 mg oxy habit using Gabapetin and it Stopped all the WD's. Really this stuff works. Docs prescribe doses up to 2,400 mg a day and at that dose it will stop the WD's. I can't say enough good about this drug Gabapetin.
Good luck
Michael
I went off a 120 mg oxy habit using Gabapetin and it Stopped all the WD's. Really this stuff works. Docs prescribe doses up to 2,400 mg a day and at that dose it will stop the WD's. I can't say enough good about this drug Gabapetin.
Good luck
Michael
CONFUSED??? i thought we are not suppose to describe ANY "taper plans" As you have mentioned, 0.5 is "right', Absolutely this is essentially vilolating the privacy, rules and regulations of the community as you are IN FACT giving "tapering procedures NO? Maybe I am deeply confused as I was in trouble, for doing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! wow! "What is good for the goose.., " "Who calls kettle black," etc. LOL!
Sorry i meant to edit document, pressed sent, without making corrections after deleting! Shoot! with that said I find great support within this community! "Stay strong and I will soon be with you! I know we aren't allowed to give tapering advice, BUT are we allowed to talk logistics, as for example "What does medical community deem as a right amount of time to take Suboxone to get off Methadone (1-3 months?) I am confused and if I am in the wrong for asking, I deeply apologize!!!! I am trying to use Suboxone to HOPEFULLY help the withdrawal from methadone, not a lifelong thing! For some, Methadone and Suboxone is much needed and great for your life and I support eveyone with decisions, but personally,I do not feel either one is right for me! I don't want same process a 2nd time as BAD! So what do they say, 1 month-3? Tops or longer! I am not asking personal opinions, I am trying to get facts straight! Thank you, God bless and Namaste!
LOL, sorry hun, That is what I thought I said, or tried to say! As I now know the "rules of the site, THANKS to you hun, you have been a 'Godsent! I am sure we can all figure it out for ourselves, as I did with methadone 2x in 10 years, last time successul! With my own methods that drastically reduced the withdrawal BIGTIME! I can not or will not give anyone info as it can easily be found if researched! As with other sites that are PRO-DRUG, unfortunately and are nauseating in retrospect, I appreciate this site with all concerns! We are on our own as per plan, AT least we can always count on each other for support, which is sooooo esential to personal recovery whenver We are ready! And I hope you will support Me as I will support everyone "emotionally and psychologically on this journy! Much love Baily! And "Evolver" I am so sorry BUT I do find comment offensive as there is a clear definition betwen a "medical "physical addiction, including tolerance and withdrawal, etc. Compared to substance abuse" I beleive one drug, in my case, permanently screwd me sideways, leading to side effects = more pills for me, Now I am at point of caving to system as I am "screwed" without!" I have "valid" diagnoses for multiple pain, anx., etc. chronic sleep disorder, waking up 33 x in 1 hour, 18 being respitory! I can do and have done without anything, but lack of sleep will turn you into a person no one, incl. yourself will recognize! Like a car without gas! Did I suffer from most of theese before being prescribed 1 single drug which I shall not mention! LOL It reminds me of that movie "The where they say "The village" 9great movie btw! Where the 'villagers keep saying the 'outsiders of the people which we can't speak about yet they talk, constantly, therefore "speaking of them!" about them
Nursegirl6572 has covered all the bases re: Subs & given you some excellent advice. What I would add to her final paragraph has to do with this:
I just like to party and got on Roxy's for a month straight and then tried to stop and we know how that goes.....'
It would be a crying shame to go through Suboxone withdrawal only to relapse. In point of fact, you're an addict. Unless you're committed to getting & STAYING clean, I'm afraid you'll end up right back where you started. (I know. I've been an addict for over 30 yrs.!) Wishful/magical thinking like 'Oh, I kicked so, I'll be able to take a couple of Roxies @ a party' (or whatever) is the kind of thinking that is common & lethal to us all. So, I guess my question to you would be: What do you plan to do differently this time so that you don't have to go through this vicious cycle again? (because I assure you with each new habit & with each year that passes, it gets harder & harder to kick & to stay clean.)
This site is an amazing tool (but only if you use it!) So, please, don't be a stranger. I would respectfully suggest that it would help you not only during acute withdrawals but also during the rest of your taper. I think hearing from a variety of folks here who have successfully withdrawn & stayed clean might be helpful for you. Best of Luck To You, My Friend. We're Here & We're Pulling For You.
I just like to party and got on Roxy's for a month straight and then tried to stop and we know how that goes.....'
It would be a crying shame to go through Suboxone withdrawal only to relapse. In point of fact, you're an addict. Unless you're committed to getting & STAYING clean, I'm afraid you'll end up right back where you started. (I know. I've been an addict for over 30 yrs.!) Wishful/magical thinking like 'Oh, I kicked so, I'll be able to take a couple of Roxies @ a party' (or whatever) is the kind of thinking that is common & lethal to us all. So, I guess my question to you would be: What do you plan to do differently this time so that you don't have to go through this vicious cycle again? (because I assure you with each new habit & with each year that passes, it gets harder & harder to kick & to stay clean.)
This site is an amazing tool (but only if you use it!) So, please, don't be a stranger. I would respectfully suggest that it would help you not only during acute withdrawals but also during the rest of your taper. I think hearing from a variety of folks here who have successfully withdrawn & stayed clean might be helpful for you. Best of Luck To You, My Friend. We're Here & We're Pulling For You.
Hon, we can mention taper plans and give basic info and guidelines, we just cannot give specific dosing advice, or lay out a taper plan for someone.
Thanks for posting as I want to detox off Subs too! I can't do this for the rest of my life! I think you guys must have missed the comment that says we can't, unfortunately mention expect taper plan, which I would,, well I would love to know, as I don't trust my Dr. But I guess 0.5 is the very lowest you can go! I don't want to stay on Subs long as been on Methadone for 10 years off and on! And personally, I feel side effects, AND NOT "NORMAL, WHICH I HOPED THE SUBS WOULD BRING! Also I feel staying on Suboxone is basically same as staying on Methadone! THANK YOU FOR POSTING YOUR QUESTION, AS WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER! I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT WHAT WORKED FOR YOU, WHAT DID NOT! (SORRY, I PRESSED CAP LOCK!) Anyways, as per rotten teeth, Methadone is not much better for that my friend! Stay in touch Baily and All the best to you!
Thanks for the additional info.
It's good to have a taper plan, only yours is way too fast. You're going to keep yourself in a constant state of more severe w/ds IMO.
The ideal way to taper sub is slowly and gradually. You're already down to 2mg, so that's good.
When I worked in the sub clinic, the doc tapered people by dropping them down a small amt (especially when getting to lower doses, you feel more w/d symptoms at that point, dropping at the higher doses is much easier), then there needs to be a stabilization period in between dosage reductions, typically about 2 weeks or so. Some people make that period longer in between reductions. To drop every day, you might as well just go cold turkey. Sub has a long half life, so if you make three drops in three days, it's almost like stopping all together.
The most successful tapers I saw were when the pts went by the doc's recommendations to not jump off until they had tapered down to at least 0.5mg/day, if not lower.
It will be normal to still have some w/d symptoms, even after tapering way down, but they won't be as bad as you had when trying to come off at 2 mg. That's a significant dose to try to come off of.
You can utilize the Thomas recipe to help ease any w/d symptoms you will have, and the rest just takes time. You can do it, just don't be in a hurry! Work with your sub doc, sometimes taper plans are made, but then need adjusted a little bit, so keep the lines of communication open with him.
Most importantly, what kinds of things have you done while on the sub to address the addiction? Reread my first reply...I really cannot stress how important aftercare is. If you haven't done any work on a recovery plan (meetings, therapy, etc), then you need to start before you come off the sub, or you will be at high risk for relapse.
Best to you!
It's good to have a taper plan, only yours is way too fast. You're going to keep yourself in a constant state of more severe w/ds IMO.
The ideal way to taper sub is slowly and gradually. You're already down to 2mg, so that's good.
When I worked in the sub clinic, the doc tapered people by dropping them down a small amt (especially when getting to lower doses, you feel more w/d symptoms at that point, dropping at the higher doses is much easier), then there needs to be a stabilization period in between dosage reductions, typically about 2 weeks or so. Some people make that period longer in between reductions. To drop every day, you might as well just go cold turkey. Sub has a long half life, so if you make three drops in three days, it's almost like stopping all together.
The most successful tapers I saw were when the pts went by the doc's recommendations to not jump off until they had tapered down to at least 0.5mg/day, if not lower.
It will be normal to still have some w/d symptoms, even after tapering way down, but they won't be as bad as you had when trying to come off at 2 mg. That's a significant dose to try to come off of.
You can utilize the Thomas recipe to help ease any w/d symptoms you will have, and the rest just takes time. You can do it, just don't be in a hurry! Work with your sub doc, sometimes taper plans are made, but then need adjusted a little bit, so keep the lines of communication open with him.
Most importantly, what kinds of things have you done while on the sub to address the addiction? Reread my first reply...I really cannot stress how important aftercare is. If you haven't done any work on a recovery plan (meetings, therapy, etc), then you need to start before you come off the sub, or you will be at high risk for relapse.
Best to you!
Sorry it took me a while to get back on here but I have been busy these days. My doctor had me taking 8mg 3 times a day back 6 months ago. I realized I didnt need that much and I began to take 8mg a day. I am down to 2mg a day now. I tried to come off totally around a month ago and made it 2-3 days and it was unbearable so I started back taking the 2mg a day. I dont have an excuse that I was in a car wreck and the doctors put me on pain meds or anything like that. I just like to party and got on Roxy's for a month straight and then tried to stop and we know how that goes..... So really I am to blame for all of this even though I would have liked the sub doctor to have given me a little more information about when I did decide to come off the subs. They just want their money and could really care less is my opinion. At least my doctor seemed like that. I am going to taper down to .5mg a day and then try to ween off. It is going to be a while since I am at 2mg a day now. I will get back on here when this happens(probably a month or 2) and let everyone know how the withdraws and recovery are going. Thanks a lot for the information and help you guys have shared.
I'm weaning off of Suboxone myself. My doctor is doing it from 8mg 2/day to 4mg 3/day. That's what I've been on for a little while, and I'm scared of going lower. I've been on Suboxone for 2 years. Just wanted everyone to know though that Suboxone ruins your teeth! My teeth were perfect before I got on Suboxone, and now it will cost thousands of dollars to get them fixed! I don't know what I'm going to do, but I got to get off of this!
Hi, folks,
Please continue offering your support and suggestions for dealing with wd symptoms, but be sure that you don't provide or suggest a specific tapering dosage schedule. It's impossible for us to know someone's entire medical history, and there may be underlying medical conditions -- which may not even have been discovered yet -- that could be made worse when tapering. For that reason, we recommend that tapering be closely supervised by a physician, who can recommend a plan tailored to each person's individual needs.
Thanks, everyone. BailyMac, good luck with your plan and keep us posted!
Claire
Please continue offering your support and suggestions for dealing with wd symptoms, but be sure that you don't provide or suggest a specific tapering dosage schedule. It's impossible for us to know someone's entire medical history, and there may be underlying medical conditions -- which may not even have been discovered yet -- that could be made worse when tapering. For that reason, we recommend that tapering be closely supervised by a physician, who can recommend a plan tailored to each person's individual needs.
Thanks, everyone. BailyMac, good luck with your plan and keep us posted!
Claire
Hello and welcome!
Weaver is spot on.
A lot of people fail coming off Sub because they jump at a dose that's too high to start with. People think that 2mg is a low dose, but in the world of Sub, it really isn't, especially in a detox situation.
Ideally, you would want to taper down lower before the final jump. Like Weaver said, 0.5 mg a day is standard practice. Some even manage to go lower.
Working in a sub clinic, I saw a lot of people successfully come off sub, and a lot of people who didn't. The ones who were in a hurry, or tried to jump off to high were usually the ones who struggled more.
Work with your sub doctor to formulate a good taper plan. What kind of "work" have you done on your addiction? If you've just taken sub and not taken part in any kind of aftercare (meetings, therapy), then you will be at high risk for relapse. Once you're off the sub you will be right back to where you started. Sub does very effectively manage cravings. If you haven't learned ways to cope with cravings, then you're in the same boat.
If that's the case, I would recommend starting to do some work before coming off the sub. As you're tapering, start seeking out some help.
Best to you! Keep us posted!
Weaver is spot on.
A lot of people fail coming off Sub because they jump at a dose that's too high to start with. People think that 2mg is a low dose, but in the world of Sub, it really isn't, especially in a detox situation.
Ideally, you would want to taper down lower before the final jump. Like Weaver said, 0.5 mg a day is standard practice. Some even manage to go lower.
Working in a sub clinic, I saw a lot of people successfully come off sub, and a lot of people who didn't. The ones who were in a hurry, or tried to jump off to high were usually the ones who struggled more.
Work with your sub doctor to formulate a good taper plan. What kind of "work" have you done on your addiction? If you've just taken sub and not taken part in any kind of aftercare (meetings, therapy), then you will be at high risk for relapse. Once you're off the sub you will be right back to where you started. Sub does very effectively manage cravings. If you haven't learned ways to cope with cravings, then you're in the same boat.
If that's the case, I would recommend starting to do some work before coming off the sub. As you're tapering, start seeking out some help.
Best to you! Keep us posted!
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