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Common Bond of Addiction---How
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*YEAH* I finally was able to start my own thread, after trying for a week, it finally worked!!! I really hate to interrupt another
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I am hooked on DARVON, about 15 to 20 a day and my doctor / pharmacices / all of them / just seems to catch on to this. My supply was just abrubtly cut off and I only have 5 DARVON left. This was going to be my last script of 60 I was going to taper off this time.
Would anyone know what kind of withdrawal I will go thrugh?
I have a lot of family obligations this week that I can not miss and four kids to take care of. What am I going to do. I hear DARVON is a mild drug. I dont know how I got so hook on it. Can anyway give me some advice.
PAIGE, GETTING BETTER THE HARD WAY!
Would anyone know what kind of withdrawal I will go thrugh?
I have a lot of family obligations this week that I can not miss and four kids to take care of. What am I going to do. I hear DARVON is a mild drug. I dont know how I got so hook on it. Can anyway give me some advice.
PAIGE, GETTING BETTER THE HARD WAY!
Hi--I don't think darvon (or any narcotic) is really considered an antidepressant, but that's sure as hell one of the reasons hyrocodone was so addicting to me!! The main reason I used it was for the euphoria and "Damn! I feel GOOD!" feeling I got 15 minutes after I took it. Of course, after a year or so of use/abuse, getting high and retreiving that feeling became elusive, which is where I think the term "addiction" came from....I'm on Wellbutrin now, as an antidepressant, and it doesn't even come CLOSE to quelching depression like 'codone did. Just my thoughts...Peaz
Hi--I don't think darvon (or any narcotic) is really considered an antidepressant, but that's sure as hell one of the reasons hyrocodone was so addicting to me!! The main reason I used it was for the euphoria and "Damn! I feel GOOD!" feeling I got 15 minutes after I took it. Of course, after a year or so of use/abuse, getting high and retreiving that feeling became elusive, which is where I think the term "addiction" came from....I'm on Wellbutrin now, as an antidepressant, and it doesn't even come CLOSE to quelching depression like 'codone did. Just my thoughts...Peaz
I am Tapering off right now too, it sucks. AMBIEN really helps me sleep. I have also used ELAVIL to help me sleep it is an anit depressentant. What do you mean you were crushing your pills to take the edge off. ANYTHING to take the edge off, what is the difference.
I WISH EVERY ONE A CALM DAY.
PAIGE
I WISH EVERY ONE A CALM DAY.
PAIGE
I have always suffered from depression. With withdrawal, drepression gets worse. I am on effexor. I am realy hooked on Darvon this time, I read on a site where a doctor prescribed Darvon to a women as an antidepressant (12) 65 mg./day or around 100 a week. and it worked. The person did gain weight thought. Does anyone know if DARVON acts as an antidepresent? Does it cause you to gain weight? I am tapering off right now and it really sticks, it is so hard with the kids and all. Life does not stop for me. Oh well, off to make the lunch. Have a great day everyone. Stick to the tapering, we can do this together!
Paige
Paige
Good post Pon.
To bad I couldn't make it without the meds and deal with the pain running down my leg.
I feel like I lost and let people down. That hurts alot.
Although, my wife is behind me 100% and so was my doctor after I talked to him on my 1st day(mon) without meds. He understood my reasons.
Till I can get the proper treatment, it looks like I will just have to watch how much I take.
Chezz
To bad I couldn't make it without the meds and deal with the pain running down my leg.
I feel like I lost and let people down. That hurts alot.
Although, my wife is behind me 100% and so was my doctor after I talked to him on my 1st day(mon) without meds. He understood my reasons.
Till I can get the proper treatment, it looks like I will just have to watch how much I take.
Chezz
Cyn,
On day 14, I'm beginning to have sleep problems - even wit klonopin, trazadone, dioxepem, benadrayl; that's alot of stuff to get me to sleep; to past 2 nights I have been banging the bed and screaming....
So, I'm wondering why suddenly after the earlier day, my sleep patterns (I usually slept very well 8 hours per night) but then I was taking a few darvocets and 1 klonopin..
Last night made me want to relapse. I thought, it this persists...I'd rather go back to darvocets. I'm hoping very much thet the sleeep patterns will come back to normal
Liza
On day 14, I'm beginning to have sleep problems - even wit klonopin, trazadone, dioxepem, benadrayl; that's alot of stuff to get me to sleep; to past 2 nights I have been banging the bed and screaming....
So, I'm wondering why suddenly after the earlier day, my sleep patterns (I usually slept very well 8 hours per night) but then I was taking a few darvocets and 1 klonopin..
Last night made me want to relapse. I thought, it this persists...I'd rather go back to darvocets. I'm hoping very much thet the sleeep patterns will come back to normal
Liza
Hey, it is hard for all of us to stand back up...this is not easy...if it were we wouldn't all be here.
Sounds like the pills have left you with a lot of things that you feel are unfinished...sounds like you want to finish them too. Got to finish the pills Alissa...it is the key that unlocks the door to all of the other things you want i8n your life.
Addiction is not easy...but you can beat it...lots of the folks here have or are in the process of doing so...I am willing to bet that there are very few who can say they went cold turkey and din't experience some setbacks...
The thing is though, you have to keep trying...like everything hard and worthwhile in life, it carries a price of discipline and it sometimes requires practice before you can get it right.
Please don't give up...there is a lot of good waiting out there for you...you just have to keep trying...put one foot in front of the other...you can do it
prayers
pon
Sounds like the pills have left you with a lot of things that you feel are unfinished...sounds like you want to finish them too. Got to finish the pills Alissa...it is the key that unlocks the door to all of the other things you want i8n your life.
Addiction is not easy...but you can beat it...lots of the folks here have or are in the process of doing so...I am willing to bet that there are very few who can say they went cold turkey and din't experience some setbacks...
The thing is though, you have to keep trying...like everything hard and worthwhile in life, it carries a price of discipline and it sometimes requires practice before you can get it right.
Please don't give up...there is a lot of good waiting out there for you...you just have to keep trying...put one foot in front of the other...you can do it
prayers
pon
Allisa,
You might want to try and get the Recipe and try it that way. I had no problems, except with the lingering pain. The withdrawls weren't that bad. I wish you the best of luck in your journey. We are all here to help.
Some on the wagon, some still riding the coaster.
I know how hard it is, I just went back after 4 days.
I am going to stick with my Docs recommendation and see a new neurosurgeon that can help. Not just give pills, and a handout on a new diet plan.
The time off meds was great. I will get there soon again. I am just going to give another neurosurgeon a chance to see if he can come up with a long term plan to help with my degenerating disk.
I was just tired of waiting 3-4 weeks to get an appt. Then you spend 15 min. with the doc and he does nothing to remedy the pain. I want a doc that gives out nothing and works with me to fix what is causing the pain.
I know I will have back problems again. But I want a plan of attack that only includes meds for a short period of time. Something I can stick to to prevent the pain running down my leg.
I'm confused, lost, and wish I was healthy.
Chezz
You might want to try and get the Recipe and try it that way. I had no problems, except with the lingering pain. The withdrawls weren't that bad. I wish you the best of luck in your journey. We are all here to help.
Some on the wagon, some still riding the coaster.
I know how hard it is, I just went back after 4 days.
I am going to stick with my Docs recommendation and see a new neurosurgeon that can help. Not just give pills, and a handout on a new diet plan.
The time off meds was great. I will get there soon again. I am just going to give another neurosurgeon a chance to see if he can come up with a long term plan to help with my degenerating disk.
I was just tired of waiting 3-4 weeks to get an appt. Then you spend 15 min. with the doc and he does nothing to remedy the pain. I want a doc that gives out nothing and works with me to fix what is causing the pain.
I know I will have back problems again. But I want a plan of attack that only includes meds for a short period of time. Something I can stick to to prevent the pain running down my leg.
I'm confused, lost, and wish I was healthy.
Chezz
Pon is right. You haven't lost anything.
In fact you have won. You realize you have a problem and you are reaching out.
I am on day 3 and am struggling mentally, somewhat physically, yet I still am upbeat. You have to keep positive.
You also need to get rid of friends that use. You will never get off/stay off drugs unless you get yourself a new set of friends. It sounds hard but it is actually something you have to do.
It sounds like your usage is down. Where are you at now?
You can do it Allisa. I am on day 3, Pon is on day 8. And there are many more people like you on this forum that need/want to quit in the next week.
All it takes is your "will" to quit. When you are ready to get your life back, nothing will stop you.
Stay strong,
Chezzz
In fact you have won. You realize you have a problem and you are reaching out.
I am on day 3 and am struggling mentally, somewhat physically, yet I still am upbeat. You have to keep positive.
You also need to get rid of friends that use. You will never get off/stay off drugs unless you get yourself a new set of friends. It sounds hard but it is actually something you have to do.
It sounds like your usage is down. Where are you at now?
You can do it Allisa. I am on day 3, Pon is on day 8. And there are many more people like you on this forum that need/want to quit in the next week.
All it takes is your "will" to quit. When you are ready to get your life back, nothing will stop you.
Stay strong,
Chezzz
You haven't lost or failed...you've had a step backwards. Stand up and start forward again....for you
Prayers,
pon
Prayers,
pon
Thanks for the help. I posted above.
I am happy I didn't get any meds.
The main thing is what it did do for me and that was letting my wife fully "inside my head".
I am so mentally tired right now. I am going to veg. in front of the t.v. I have one in my home office. Its just not the same.
Thanks again for the help, Day 3 coming soon...(I knew I could do this)...hehehe
yeah right, I couldn't do it alone that is for sure.
thanks to all,
Chezz
I check this thing all day/night since I am at home.
I am happy I didn't get any meds.
The main thing is what it did do for me and that was letting my wife fully "inside my head".
I am so mentally tired right now. I am going to veg. in front of the t.v. I have one in my home office. Its just not the same.
Thanks again for the help, Day 3 coming soon...(I knew I could do this)...hehehe
yeah right, I couldn't do it alone that is for sure.
thanks to all,
Chezz
I check this thing all day/night since I am at home.
Realistically, I should be able to tackle tapering and quitting starting around mid-October. Most of the big-wigs at work will be away at a furniture show for over a week right around then so I'm hoping to coincide my initial cut down on dose at that time. Then if I can last through the next few weeks I'll be able to take a week or so off in November to deal with the heavy stuff.
Still haven't had a chance to look into EAP - I haven't even had time to tie my own shoes so far this week. I am, however, decided that I'm going to talk directly to a doctor about detox. I just don't get the feeling that the chemical dependency program at Kaiser is concerned with the physical aspects of withdrawal. Also, from reading the posts here it sounds like there are a few things he/she can give me to help ease symptoms.
Thank you for thinking of me. How are things going for you?
Still haven't had a chance to look into EAP - I haven't even had time to tie my own shoes so far this week. I am, however, decided that I'm going to talk directly to a doctor about detox. I just don't get the feeling that the chemical dependency program at Kaiser is concerned with the physical aspects of withdrawal. Also, from reading the posts here it sounds like there are a few things he/she can give me to help ease symptoms.
Thank you for thinking of me. How are things going for you?
You can do it, Hell if you need to talk to me let me know here, and i can give you a phone number, or you can give me on for all that matters. The thing is, is that we keep you from downing any pain meds. In the stage you are at, the mind will try and trick you into thinking that you hurt more than you really do. Fight it, after all, you dont want the last 2 days to be a waste. Hang in there.
Jeff
Jeff
doing good...7 and counting...feeling much better. Pick your schedule and stick to it...first step is the hardest, each one after that is a little easier...after enough time they can be normal again.
Go with the Dr idea, but get moving so you find the one you want before start time...life is good on the other side of this...get there man.
lkeep posting, want to hear how you're doing. you can do it.
Go with the Dr idea, but get moving so you find the one you want before start time...life is good on the other side of this...get there man.
lkeep posting, want to hear how you're doing. you can do it.
Oh this **** is so hard mentally.
I just had to get it out to everyone. I called my Doc today letting him know that the pain is getting worse, the longer I am off the meds. Today is 30hrs.
I really am doing pretty good pain wise. It is more mental wanting the meds not to feel "any" pain.
I am so glad he gave me some valium and told me to call him in the morning. Just kidding on the call part. The valium has helped.
I just didn't feel right unless I got that out. I am so happy I couldn't lie to myself or anyone else this time.
Chezz
I just had to get it out to everyone. I called my Doc today letting him know that the pain is getting worse, the longer I am off the meds. Today is 30hrs.
I really am doing pretty good pain wise. It is more mental wanting the meds not to feel "any" pain.
I am so glad he gave me some valium and told me to call him in the morning. Just kidding on the call part. The valium has helped.
I just didn't feel right unless I got that out. I am so happy I couldn't lie to myself or anyone else this time.
Chezz
No problem Jenn. I too have seen a lot of contradictions about this recipe.
I was lucky enough to be a poster on this forum when Thomas was actively posting. The original recipe, as he wrote it, says to start taking it right away, and many do swear by it.
It doesn't make withdrawal a cakewalk, but it does seem to help a lot.
take care and keep posting.
love,
WW
I was lucky enough to be a poster on this forum when Thomas was actively posting. The original recipe, as he wrote it, says to start taking it right away, and many do swear by it.
It doesn't make withdrawal a cakewalk, but it does seem to help a lot.
take care and keep posting.
love,
WW
Sean,
I am here, or you can email me ***@**** anytime you need me! I realize how much harder your journey is than mine, and most others, being that you have to detox essentially in secret and alone, but this too shall pass, and we will all come out on the other side, much better
Sorry if I'm jumping in here. Just wanted to make a comment about L-Tyrosine. I've been taking it for the past couple of days in between taking hydros. I won't say that it keeps me from wanting to take more meds, but it allows me to go longer without taking them. I don't start feeling that sort of dazed, sweaty thing so quickly. I was actually able to sit down in a meeting yesterday and not be so "out of it" after not taking any meds for many hours. One thing that the L-Tyrosine doesn't prevent is the yawning. I don't know if others have experienced this, but if I don't take the hydros for several hours I start yawning uncontrollably. It's almost comic, if there can be anything amusing about all of this.
Wishing you all the luck in the world. My thoughts will be with you.
Wishing you all the luck in the world. My thoughts will be with you.
The taper begins tommorow. My dosage will be cut in about half and decline over next 20 days. I know I'll feel it, which I dont' mind because I need the reminder that there's no free lunch. I envy your ability to turn the light on, so to speak, in terms of letting others no about what's going on (even if they can't really appreciate what your dealing with), and that you'll be taking some time to the worst of it behind you next week.
Also, the fact that your taking a fairly limited dosage right now (compared with abuse levels) will only help you when you go cold turkey. I'm so glad to see you, and others here, committed to what amounts to starting new lives after such extensive periods of really putting life on hold.
You're so right when you say that we have gone much of our lives living life on life's terms, that it is almost dillusionary to think that we can't live without the pills. In essence, it's all just a big lie to keep us from fulfilling our God-ordained destinies to accomplish the tasks at hand, whatever they may be.
I know I'll be shaky come tommorow and the days following and I just appreciate you and the many others on this board who have gone before me and keep up the encouragement.
Sean
Also, the fact that your taking a fairly limited dosage right now (compared with abuse levels) will only help you when you go cold turkey. I'm so glad to see you, and others here, committed to what amounts to starting new lives after such extensive periods of really putting life on hold.
You're so right when you say that we have gone much of our lives living life on life's terms, that it is almost dillusionary to think that we can't live without the pills. In essence, it's all just a big lie to keep us from fulfilling our God-ordained destinies to accomplish the tasks at hand, whatever they may be.
I know I'll be shaky come tommorow and the days following and I just appreciate you and the many others on this board who have gone before me and keep up the encouragement.
Sean
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