Damage to other organs due to excessive opiate abuse?

[ChiTownGirl]

This question is for the Doctor.  What damage can be done to other organs, besides the liver, from long term opiate abuse?  Are there any warning signs that we are doing damage and need to stop immediately?

[last_chanceat47_]

Hi Sunnyone802,
What does your response mean.  I don't understand what is a old post and where would i post my own question?  I thought that was what i was doing.  Is there another place to go?
thanks

[last_chanceat47_]

Please help me.  I have just read your postings here and Thank God I have found some people that know what I am going through.  The number of pills i take a day will shock you i have been told it would kill a large animal.  I have consumed 50 to 55 7.5 vicodin a day at times.  I must have a liver made of concreate but I know I cannot continue this life style.  It is running my relationships, finance and of course my mind and body.  I had to start taking vicodin about 6 years ago for a torn rotator in my shoulder.  I could not afford the correct therapy so it took about four years to heal.  After the four years i tried to stop taking vicodin and realized i was addicted.  The last two years have been pure hell trying to find enough pills on a daily basis to stay out of that horriable place called detox.  I really need help, alot of help.  Can someone please tell  me what the Thomas recipe is?  I want to try and take anything natural that I can to start this process and I know i will need all of you.  I have also heard a lot about Buprenex, Clonidine, L-Tyrosine, Librium.  What are these drungs and how do they help.  I know if I tell my doctor I want to stop taking vicodin he will prescribe what it takes to help me but I have to ask him for it, he is not the kind of doctor to figure it out for me and tell me what I need.  I don't know what to ask for to help me.  As soon as I can get a response from you so i will know what to do I will start trying to detox. I am hoping this site can get me through it.  I have NO family or friends in the city i live in and my two wonderful daughters want me to come live with them in another state.  I can't go until I do this.  I have to be happy, work, have a life besides searching for pills before I can make this move to be with them.  The shame and depression are really getting to me. In the mornings my body feels like a elephant is laying on me  and I am so stiff, every joint hurts and I can't imagine even trying to go to the bath room before I get a hand full of pills down me.  O my god I am so sick.  I have such a high opiate addiction I know I should be hospitalized but known of the hospitals will take me because i do not have insurance.  I don't even know if my body can make it through the hell it will have to indure but I know I have to try. I am 47 years old and if I don't do this my life is over.  If I don't get off of opiates i have know reason to try to live, it is just to hard.   I will check this site daily hoping for your help.  I need to know what to do from hour to hour from the time I start this.  If anyone is out there that would like to give back what you have received in recovery maybe you can call me or help me via email.  
BY:  LAST CHANCE

[worried878]

R u guys still lurking?

[toxictome]

Welcome to the forum. This is a great place for help and support.You have posted on an old thread. Repost w/ your own postt so you will not be overlooked...many people don't respond to the old dates... See you out in the forum....

[frig]

Need assitance  been taking vic since 2004 really bad every day 3 pills a day recently a lady passe away she was 45-50years old she was cosuming 10-pils a day 7.5 Watson , now since that  yeasterday i just took 1 a day but my right side kind of hurts either because i dont take it like i was or withdraws, but need help or direction where to go to get detox asap. I have the will to bet this ****, but any suggestion  

Whittier California
562-824-3207 Lio

[marcatj]

honey, you got about another day or so before the bad w/d symptoms pass - JUST HOLD ON and know it IS going to pass soon.

we all know how hard it is, believe me.  the worst.  but it's your/our only option if we want a meaningful life.

you can do this - you're already on day 2!!!!  you're in the worst of it (so that's the good news - you shouldn't get any worse..) and very soon, you will feel much better.

and as wait2long said, PLEASE start a new post if you need help.  sometimes people can get lost in the shuffle posting on old ones.  if people here see you need support, they'll come a runnin'...  also, if there is any way you can get something to help you sleep (otc sleep medication, herbal remedies, eben a prescription) it does help.  even a benzo might help...

keep up the fight!  you are almost there.....

very warmly,
mj

[wait2long]

oh PLEASE dont talk like that, trust us hun...we ALL here know how it feels...just plain horrible, you will have some bad days, but that means you are closer to getting better...if you really feel suicidal, then please go to the emergency room and get some help with the depression and dysphoria, your life IS worth more than pills,  please repost this on a new thread....this one is old from year 2002..there are ALOT of very caring and experienced people on this forum that would be happy to help you...please repost, you will get alot of answers and i assure you . it will help...

[Lorcetinnc]

Today is day 2 without 10 lorcet a day.  I have been up all night, I am hurting all over, there was a suicide in the newspaper this morning and I'm thinking, maybe they were on day 2 also.  Help!

[Calzy]

Please reprint or writ your story on a NEW POST. you are adding to a old post from 2002. Alot of people will be glad to help and advise you but will miss this because of where you placed this. Dont attach below, find the new post. Even if a person answers here just start a new one, they will follow you. good luck

[Lauren32]

Hey everyone!  I found this site today and I'm very glad I stumbled across it.  I'm only 21.  I've been taking oxycodone every day for 2 years.  I know that's pretty small-time, but it's my only vice and I feel like it took me over.  My mother has stage 4 breast cancer in the bones and she gets lots of percocet.  The absolute worst is since I can't be without them, I take them from her and i've never felt so horrible and shameful in my life, since she has immense pain and she needs them!  I feel like my true self only when I take 3 or 4 percs.  I feel like I can't (or want to) do anything without them.  It scares me and this is the first time I'm stopping.  Last night was the 2nd night I didn't sleep a minute.  I could not get comfortable.  My nose kept running and I couldn't stop sneezing.  My legs were shaky.  I think this is normal?  I'm going out after work to buy the L-Tyrosine, maybe that will help with the "blah" I feel all day.

Anyways, the whole point of this post is just to sort of thank you guys, everyone is so supportive of eachother and Thomas I just can't imagine how your life must be after 31 years of this (no offense meant, it's very noble that you still have the courage to try and help yourself).  Today's world is so full of negative influence and this message board is the exact opposite.  I wish everyone the best of luck.

[Patrice]

I really dont think it should be your concern why Thomas is thinking of getting on methadone...If you have been off of methadone for a long tme, and are still feeling the effects, then you got offf of it too fast....I know many success stories of people who detoxed from methadone, and are doing fine.....With a habit like Thomas's (excuse me for speaking on your behalf) Buph wouldnt touch his WD's his cravings, basically it would do nothing.......Buph is for people who have short mild drug histories.....And as for opiates hurting your organs...Sorry, it is the fillers that will kill you..Opiates, TAKEN AS DIRECTED causes no harm....AS for the constipation..There are many things to use that are safe.....Peridium, docolace (SP) and any vegatable laxitive......



NoNaForMe

[Hinkster]

Thanks hippee I'll check them out.
Tom

[hippy]

two books  1 naked lunch.
2  a book about a rehab  SAINT MARY BLUE  BY BARRY GOODYEAR.
TRUE STORY ABOUT HIMSELF, HE IS A AWARD WINNING WRITER
HE WROTE THE SCIFI  ENEMY MINE.

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OE OF MY FAVORIT REALLY SICK HORROR BOOKS IS
THE DAMNATION GAME  by clive barker.

[Hinkster]

Thomas you've got to write the book. I can name on my left hand
how many books I have read. "magic rabbit and socks in the dryer"
I'am still laughing. We need a funny opiate book to read. Word of
mouth works wonders and I am sure there would be third, forth and
fifth printings and editorials like "I found myself laughing out
loud". The mistrials of opiate abuse. It would be perfect for you
as you are one of the funniest people I've ever met. Not really
even met but the privilege of just knowing you and hopefully your
friend.
Tom

[hippy]

YO GREG
I HAVE BEEN TAKING THOMAS'S RECEIPE AND IT HAS BEEN A GODSEND.
i have seen people write that viamine s are useless
but that is not my experence, the L-tyrosine and b-6 has
been great for me, and it is not in my head. the **** works.

peace borther.

hippy

[hippy]

YO GREG
I HAVE BEEN TAKING THOMAS'S RECEIPE AND IT HAS BEEN A GODSEND.
i have seen people write that viamine s are useless
but that is not my experence, the L-tyrosine and b-6 has
been great for me, and it is not in my head. the **** works.

peace borther.

hippy

[saveyourself]

Alls I can say is wow.  what a thread. I made it through Christmas, got on the board and was amazed at all the responses to your choice to go on meth maintenance.  I am coming off of a two year run of oxys, 400mgs, 12 perc 10s and zanax. Got Diagnosd with HCV in 2000 and during the six months of a very hellis 6 month of treatment, my doc gave me anything I wanted.  Good news, I am cured, yet kept the opiate habit going for another 18 months.  I to have used since I was 13,pcp acid, angel dust, crystal meth, heroin, got on meth maintenace for a year, smoking crack and shooting coke.  6 treatment facilities, kept using, but then found NA.  Stayed clean for 7 years, married a recovering addict, have two great kids.  I own my own company and work with the major hotels in vegas.  Have a life I always would think about when I was high. Yet, once I got it, it was not enough.

Year 7 I was cured, so stopped meetings and NA altogether.  Started drinking, then got into gambling, carousing and acting like I was single.  I chalk it up to a mid life crisis. I have got a great lady who put up with alot of ****, but stuck with me.

Now to the point, being high on a legal or illegal substances has been a way of life for me 30 years.  Like there are parts of my brain and especially my emotions that have become abnormal.  I sit in meetings with educated dweebs, who I used to kick their ass in high scool if they looked at me wrong and negotiate contracts, create schedules and all that goes along with new construction or renovation. I listen more than I talk, before I make a comment I have to really take a second to reply.  My brain has also been changed that if I do not focus with all my willpower, I will answer with weird response. It has happened, more times than I can remember, but like every dope fiend I am quick on my feet and the comeback.

I relate and understand where your coming from,  I have been playing the pill chasing game for the last year, I am so sick of it.  I will close with this, I have detoxed off of many pain pills,  however, this time has been almost as bad as when I went cold turkey in 88 from methadone.  I have gone back to NA, because it has been the only thing to work for me.  In my absece in the last 5 years alot of people have died that I knew.
But their are many who are staying clean one day at a time.  This world is insane in the first place, whoever can get through a day without hurting themselves, abusing drugs or hurting some one else, God Bless them.  

Oh, I am increasing the L ty and b6, I found out I was only taking 500 mgd a day.  I let you know the result.  Thanks for answering my post, and please relize I have no pity for you, only respect and empathy for your own path of life. Keep the faith and keep posting.
Strength and Honor
Greg

[peaz]

OKAY......   WHO'S GOT THE BIG MOUTH........??

Peaz

[Thomas02]

Damn. And I was just in the mood to be taken advantage of ... We've never met or talked on the phone, but I KNOW you're a hell raiser in the boudoir ... Trust me. I just know these things.

Thomas

[peaz]

Holy Buckets!! I just reread what I typed and it sounds like  blatant seduction...I was referring to my husband, of course.....  You're safe for now.  Peaz

[peaz]

Hey Greg--Hope you had a great Christmas!! It certainly sounds like you did.  You deserve it, guy!  I made it through a day w/ drinking relatives, and though I left early (by my own choice) my sobriety is intact and I'm not even pouting.....Anyway--it was good to hear from you.


Thomas---Since I stayed sober I am not in the bag, but perhaps I can get in the sack a little later......Is that an even exchange?
                  Peaz

[Thomas02]

They ALWAYS read a Thomas post? Mmmmm, I wonder if I should add some banner ads ...

Happy Holidays, hope everyone that wants to be is happily in the bag by now.

Thomas

[oxic]

Thank you Sir Thomas!!!
I guess you consciously are not aware of any possible positives that can come from tragedy; but i can say first hand, it really has made me focus on the positives.
And I would have to say you and others here have helped me tremendously.....and for that I am forever grateful.
Hope you had a great Christmas Day also!!!
Keep posting brother, as everyone has mentioned, you write with amazing insight, compassion, humour, eloquence, (you get the idea); meaning: people always read a Thomas post.
THANK YOU
Percs

[Thomas02]

All the best to you, my friend. It sounds like you're truly having a Christmas of firsts! Savor it. You made it happen with your own will and hands.

Thomas