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Found post re: Tramadol and Withdrawal
Now, I found this post in here from July of '07- some helpful info in here..
Tramadol is a tough one since it is not only a syntetic opiate it also has properties that act kind of like a anti depressant. It stimulates the serotonin and norepinepren (I believe) parts of your brains neurotransmitters.. So it literally effects alot of the brain.. I highly suggest getting on a amino acid program like the one in the book END YOUR ADDICTION NOW.. since you were on Trams you would fall into two categories.. as did I since i was also taking anti depressants with my pain pills.. Taking these make us deficient in our neurotransmitters and we have physical issues to this.. such as what you are experienceing.. I am also posting a thing I wrote that gives the aminos to help rebuid these parts of the brain... check it out.. maybe order the book on Amazon.. it changed my life and I owe getting off of pain pills,antidepressants and xanax to this program.. Here it is..
All of this program is from the book END YOUR ADDICTION NOW.. the doctor who wrote it ran a treatment facility in UPstate New york where they gave patients amino acids and vitamin via IV during treatment.. He also counsels patients individually.. All of these things are meant to rebuild activity in the major neuro transmitters.. as addicts our neurotransmitters have been disrupted by our use of drugs.. even stuff like cigarettes and eating alot of sugar can disrupt them.. with drugs however it can be more damaging.. I will list the aminos maily used for addiction, their dosages etc.. everything should be taken on a empty stomach... an hour b4 meals.. Take all of them together with lots of water...
**These are the ones from the pain addiction category as well as the depression/anxiety...**
B- vitamin Complex either 50mgs or 100mgs, needed for absorption of aminos..
Multi mineral vitamin, just good to take all around
5HTP-- this is what tryptophan gets turned into prior to being turned into serotonin in our brains. Serotonin is what is usually depleted if we are depressed and anxious.. Taking the with help with PAWS ( post accute withdrawl syndrome) DO NOT TAKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A SSRI OR TRICYLIC ANTI DEPRESSANT
Dosage-- up to 300mgs a day 3x DAILY ( I take 100mgs 3x per day, start with the lower dose and move up if needed)
L-glutamine--amino acid required for GABA production, that is the relaxing part of our brain. up to 2000mgs 3x per day.. ( I take 1000 mgs 3x day, again start lower and work up if needed)
L-Taurine-- another "relaxing" amino up to 1000mgs 3x daily
DLPA-- helps restore the function to the pain receptors working with the enporphins/enkephalins DO NOT TAKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A SSRI OR TRICYLIC ANTIDEPRESSANT
Dose-- up to 2000mgs 3x per day (again you can start lower like 1000mgs 3x daily)
L-leucine-- required for the production of endorphins up to 500mgs 3x per day
L-methionine-- same as leucine
If you find yourself really struggling with energy after being on the aminos you can add L-tyrosine to the mix in the early part of the day.. up to 1,500mgs..
If you find yourself having some anxiety the amino L-theanine is like natural valium.. It has helped me so much I no longer need to take xanax at all for my panic attacks
If you are interested in other ways to help heal. Ester C 500mgs to 1000mgs per day can be very helpful.. as well as extra calcium and magnesium.. Alpha lipoic acid is a anti oxidant that helps portect your body against free radicals.. EFA"S can also help in the form of fish oils and omega 3's
As far as sleep.. in my early days off of pills I took a sleep blend from GNC with a L-theanine and calcium magnesium liquid everynight and slept like a baby.
I suggest GNC to purchase this stuff they are pretty cheap (some stuff is only 4.99 a bottle) they were also super helpful and knew alot.. I got a gold card to save some bucks in the future..
After a few months if you are feeling good you can taper the aminos back to once a day... then a few months after that a few times a week.. the best part about taking aminos instead of drugs is you don't have to take them forever to get the benefit.. the FIX the problem not put a band aid on it..
Just some helpful info I wanted to share.. (and NO, I'm not a troll! lol) hehe
Alli
Tramadol is a tough one since it is not only a syntetic opiate it also has properties that act kind of like a anti depressant. It stimulates the serotonin and norepinepren (I believe) parts of your brains neurotransmitters.. So it literally effects alot of the brain.. I highly suggest getting on a amino acid program like the one in the book END YOUR ADDICTION NOW.. since you were on Trams you would fall into two categories.. as did I since i was also taking anti depressants with my pain pills.. Taking these make us deficient in our neurotransmitters and we have physical issues to this.. such as what you are experienceing.. I am also posting a thing I wrote that gives the aminos to help rebuid these parts of the brain... check it out.. maybe order the book on Amazon.. it changed my life and I owe getting off of pain pills,antidepressants and xanax to this program.. Here it is..
All of this program is from the book END YOUR ADDICTION NOW.. the doctor who wrote it ran a treatment facility in UPstate New york where they gave patients amino acids and vitamin via IV during treatment.. He also counsels patients individually.. All of these things are meant to rebuild activity in the major neuro transmitters.. as addicts our neurotransmitters have been disrupted by our use of drugs.. even stuff like cigarettes and eating alot of sugar can disrupt them.. with drugs however it can be more damaging.. I will list the aminos maily used for addiction, their dosages etc.. everything should be taken on a empty stomach... an hour b4 meals.. Take all of them together with lots of water...
**These are the ones from the pain addiction category as well as the depression/anxiety...**
B- vitamin Complex either 50mgs or 100mgs, needed for absorption of aminos..
Multi mineral vitamin, just good to take all around
5HTP-- this is what tryptophan gets turned into prior to being turned into serotonin in our brains. Serotonin is what is usually depleted if we are depressed and anxious.. Taking the with help with PAWS ( post accute withdrawl syndrome) DO NOT TAKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A SSRI OR TRICYLIC ANTI DEPRESSANT
Dosage-- up to 300mgs a day 3x DAILY ( I take 100mgs 3x per day, start with the lower dose and move up if needed)
L-glutamine--amino acid required for GABA production, that is the relaxing part of our brain. up to 2000mgs 3x per day.. ( I take 1000 mgs 3x day, again start lower and work up if needed)
L-Taurine-- another "relaxing" amino up to 1000mgs 3x daily
DLPA-- helps restore the function to the pain receptors working with the enporphins/enkephalins DO NOT TAKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A SSRI OR TRICYLIC ANTIDEPRESSANT
Dose-- up to 2000mgs 3x per day (again you can start lower like 1000mgs 3x daily)
L-leucine-- required for the production of endorphins up to 500mgs 3x per day
L-methionine-- same as leucine
If you find yourself really struggling with energy after being on the aminos you can add L-tyrosine to the mix in the early part of the day.. up to 1,500mgs..
If you find yourself having some anxiety the amino L-theanine is like natural valium.. It has helped me so much I no longer need to take xanax at all for my panic attacks
If you are interested in other ways to help heal. Ester C 500mgs to 1000mgs per day can be very helpful.. as well as extra calcium and magnesium.. Alpha lipoic acid is a anti oxidant that helps portect your body against free radicals.. EFA"S can also help in the form of fish oils and omega 3's
As far as sleep.. in my early days off of pills I took a sleep blend from GNC with a L-theanine and calcium magnesium liquid everynight and slept like a baby.
I suggest GNC to purchase this stuff they are pretty cheap (some stuff is only 4.99 a bottle) they were also super helpful and knew alot.. I got a gold card to save some bucks in the future..
After a few months if you are feeling good you can taper the aminos back to once a day... then a few months after that a few times a week.. the best part about taking aminos instead of drugs is you don't have to take them forever to get the benefit.. the FIX the problem not put a band aid on it..
Just some helpful info I wanted to share.. (and NO, I'm not a troll! lol) hehe
Alli
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy and trust me I have some bad peeps that I dislike. But I know LOL you have to laugh about something, right?
I just flushed mine with my hubby. I'm crying cause I'm happy but scared. I'll be up. I live in AK so 4 hours behind EST. I'll send you a pm with my yahoo and msn so we can chat. We can do this.
Awesome! Guess what? I'm officially done as well! (FLushed mine earlier when I was taking a shower, after dinner) I had a total of a half of a pill today- 1/4 this morning, 1/4 earlier in the evening, and now I'm finished.. now the withdrawals shouldn't be nearly as severe as quitting cold turkey, not giving your body time to adjust to the reduced dose.. :D
So, If I'm up all night and need to vent, I'll get on! lol.. the withdrawals definitely won't kill ya, but will indeed make you stronger! (Although I'd much rather go through child birth instead.. hehe) so, check out my latest journal- do pretty much as it says there.. I went and bought the vitamins today- hehe.. already took them, and MAN is my body tired! :D
Keep me posted girl! We'll share experiences since we've stopped at the same time, k? I'll ttys!
Alli
So, If I'm up all night and need to vent, I'll get on! lol.. the withdrawals definitely won't kill ya, but will indeed make you stronger! (Although I'd much rather go through child birth instead.. hehe) so, check out my latest journal- do pretty much as it says there.. I went and bought the vitamins today- hehe.. already took them, and MAN is my body tired! :D
Keep me posted girl! We'll share experiences since we've stopped at the same time, k? I'll ttys!
Alli
I just took my last tram. I'm done. I went from hydro's to trams and came clean to my doc and hubby just last week. I'd been tapering myself down. So I'm scared but ready. I just started feeling w/d's and was aloud one more for today and I took it so I could get dinner done and stuff with the kids. My hubby is being very supportive after the shock of finding out I'd been lying to him for over a year. I know I can do this. It's just goiing to be a hard for the next cple weeks. Please send me you strength and prayers. Thanks again for all your support.
Yea, it's about time that time for me.. I'm done.. Called my pain specialist today, told them I no longer need their services.. :D.. the nurse said, "Huh?? That's the first!" LOL
Anyway, that was like when I first found out that I was pregnant, for each one of my kids- I stopped smoking, cold turkey.. It didn't bother me, either.. but I sure started back up when each one was around 2-3 months old.. stupid me.. :D
Anyway, that was like when I first found out that I was pregnant, for each one of my kids- I stopped smoking, cold turkey.. It didn't bother me, either.. but I sure started back up when each one was around 2-3 months old.. stupid me.. :D
Upon learning your pregnant it really complicates tapering. I believe Ultam is a category C preg drug? Regardless, with all the misinformation the medical community has Re:this drug I was not comfortable taking it at all. I went from 10-12/day to say 3 for maybe 2 days 2,1,1/2 zero probably all with in a week.It was HELL.I have read about seizure risk associated with tram esp when taken in high doses I would not advise or advocate such an abrupt w/d,if for nothing else it is soo hard on both mind and body but I knew I had to do it for the baby.I kick my a** for starting agin after over 1 year clean, I breastfed which kept me honest awhile longer. I think it is probably because I didn't quit for me, I didn't quit because I wanted to I had to.Regardless I'm still taking them spinning my wheels currently.. To you angel I would say once you've been on a half for a while you'll have to bite the bullet. It won't be too bad 25mg isn't much but I remember it taking the edge off...A lot of it is mental and biochemical like we discussed. Good luck to ya.
How much did you taper down to and how much, how often? I was just wondering because I'm still tapering from 3 pills per day- I know not much but I was taking them for two years for pain management; Now I'm down to just a half of a pill a day, and I'm dreading the end- lol.. If it were rapid, I'd see some difficulty, but I'm only at a HALF- wonder if I'll being going through literal hell after I stop altogether? Avisg, what do ya think?
Hey there I just wanted to say thanks for the post. I found it very helpful. I had to stop tram when I found out I was preg.It was difficult as I was taking 10-12 a day and RAPIDLY tapered down.I knew they had properties similar to SSRI but my doctor had told me no, that it was like taking ibuprofen! It's crazy. Unfortunately I'm still dependent on those devil pills even after the hellish w/d I went through.I pray for God to give me the will and the want to everynight...Thanks
It was FLaddict.. here's the direct link to that thread----->>> http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/237329?post_id=post_2358768
I hope that shows up! lol
I'm going to go ahead and place it in my journal as well.. thanks girl! :D
I hope that shows up! lol
I'm going to go ahead and place it in my journal as well.. thanks girl! :D
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