HELP! 3RD DAY CT!! OXYS

[raventwo]

my husband is on his 3rd day of ct w/d's, and he says its worst than the other 2 days so far! He's had diarrhea, (taking immodium,not helping) he's throwing up, he's got the rls, up & down all night, and I imagine all day. (i work, so i'm not here)!! He's been taking the multi-vitamin everyday, and some Xanax to help to sleep. We bought the stuff for the Thomas Recipe, and we're doing what it says, but you dont take the L-Tyrosine + B6 until after tomorrow right? He won't get in the hot baths either. He is sooo terribly miserable! I dont know what to do to help him. Are there any other suggestions? If anybody remembers, he was taking about 7 80mgs oxys, roxi's, and ms contin, (not at the same time)when he started going ct he was taking ms contin 100mgs, and very little of those. I know he will get better, and I'm not worried about him "staying" clean at all, I'm worried about his health, when should I consider taking him to the ER?  Any helpful advice would be so welcome!  I found this forum, and I read it every single day! Sometimes, I am up way late, just so I can read every post!! Thanks to all!!!

[Rhiannon37]

I know you or him may not want to hear this but he needs to stop taking the immodium..he needs to evacuate all of the opiate out of his body even
though it hurts and is very unpleasent...its what his body needs to do so he can feel better...I've gone through what he's going through soo many times, he will feel better...unfortunatly he has to go through the pain to get well. Also clonodine does help a lot...it brings your BP down so your heart will stop pounding and he can relax, it makes you sleepy and he needs to sleep to recover. Thats why they give clonodine in detox. I honestly hope he stays with it. The best high in the world is being sober again after you've been through the horror of w/drawals. Good Luck!!

[raventwo]

Hi to everyone, I will start a new thread- I agree this is getting very long! And since the title is no longer true, DAY 11!!!!!

[Sael]

The first stage of withdrawal lasts appx. 3 weeks. The second stage lasts about another 6 weeks and after that he should be functioning almost as his normal level. I don't know why doctors don't explain these things to people who quit opiates cold turkey like this.

Anyway, at least now you know that it's not a one week thing. Clonidine lowers the blood pressure but it's a good medication for withdrawal. If he is really suffering then you may want to call your doc and have her/him give you a script for clonidine.

Blessings,
Sael

[mak17]

hi..
i am sorry he is struggling...
i am not sure how to totally make this go away.  however, in going through this right now, i am on the clonipine patch and i can work and just am pretty tired through the day, but my w/d symptoms are very minimal to what he is having.  
can he get into the bath or hot showers?  can he stay in the bath for a while?  
i am wondering if you should call his doctore to get some suggestions and they could help.  the clonidine does not give a buzz and i do not crave it, i think it just helps until all of the feelings are done.  when i was not on it during the w/d, i was irritable, restless, nauseous... everything.  
thinking of you both and please keep us updated....
mak

[jim811]

Hi....your hub is working through the damage he already did to himself.  The body will recuperate but time is the best healer.   Can he get to the gym now?  Even if he can't and just starts taking walks, he'll start to feel better.  I also recommend a muscle building powder that he can mix with water or milk; why...because the powders contain all the essential aminos and helps with the mood swings.  

My story - I was in the gym on the 3rd day after stopping.  I definitely started slowly but been in full swing for awhile and even after 50+ days, I'm still forcing myself to do certain things...meaning energy is not 100%.

If your hub thinks about relapsing, remind him that eventually he'll have to go through what he's going through now...not much fun.

Peace,

Nick

[MsTickles]

The hot baths really do help, at least while you are IN them! I bought epsom salt, and soaked the other day for as long as I could and I got out feeling tired, but a lot less achey for the next hour or so.

Try a sauna, and just get in and out as much as you can stand it. It's a temporary relief but worth it at the time... It's like taking a mini-break from the sypmtoms, which at your worst point will feel heavenly.

[woodpecker67]

Wow, it sounds like he going through hell.  I wish him luck, he is lucky to have a lady who cares so much for him.  I am starting CT today and I am really dreading it, but it is time to kick this chit to the curb it is ruining my life.

good luck, it will get better

[newmanagment]

you may want to consider not sleepin in the same bed right now. i share a different doc, but i know when in w/d's people get real irritated. seems alll he is goin thru is normal, just need to keep ridin it out. best of luck, many prayers and much love

[Flutterby111]

And yes, you should post a new thread soon! Just a thought! :)

[Flutterby111]

He has the clonidine?  IT's not addictive, there will be no buzz....I sobbed and sobbed and was in utter hysterics untill I took it, it just settled me.....didn't necessarily "feel" anything from it.  I wish I had something promising to say, other than it WILL end....but it took me a while.  I'm still picking up the pieces......I'm praying for you.....be as patient as possible.  

[jetsetgrl]

Hi, Sorry I have not been around for awhile. I commute and go the gym every night after work. I force myself because it helps with depression etc.

Some things that may help. When I was in wd I went through the rls bad. Also anything touching my body and smells were just gross. One thing that I did was NO SUGAR-  little CAFFIENE. I was wired too and could not handle any stimulants. Try just water or flavored water with no sugar to help hydrate I am a coffee junkie and even I could not handle it.. yikes....

And darn it- I wish that he would take the clondine.... It really helps.

Hang in there. I think that things will get better soon. Feel free to message me anytime.

Take Care - M

[raventwo]

Hey everyone- must be a busy night, haven't heard from anybody- well my opi on the email-(guess my books are getting to long! sorry again for that lol) but anyway- going to bed, husband is struggling, badly- he's ready to run (not even kidding here anymore) HIS FACE THROUGH MY WALL!!! So, I really hope DAY 11 is a much BETTER ONE! We need some advice here- i'm really getting frustrated myself, i know i have no right, but he's really starting to **** me off- sorry- he's very frustrated and mad. and sad, and every other emotion that you could possibly have. DONE WITH DAY 10, SHOULDN'T HE BE FEELING MUCH BETTER BY NOW?? I know, he knows, he put alot in his system for a long time, so we know i guess, its going to take a long time to get out of his system, and for him to feel better, but damn. HE had me up all night long, with the constant moving and shaking, and moaning! UGH! Ok- i better go, sorry but thank you for letting me vent. Do i need or should I start a new post? Can i do that? Let me know- love to you all! I AM SO GLAD TOMORROW IS FRIDAY!!!

[raventwo]

My husband says he is skitzzy, feeling- his eyes are dialated HUGE, and feels like he's drank like 15 cups of coffee, and he's shaky, hot/cold, freaking out!  Yes, his stomach he says is better, his legs, better, all around as far as diarrhea, vomiting, etc...better- but mentally, and I guess some physical or mostly physical, hell, i dont know, seems a contradiction, but he's NOT GOOD! I think he's ALSO FREAKING OUT, because he is down to the wire, and only has a few days left before his job, and he still feels terrible. So, he's stressing. He says he knows he's taken the stuff for awhile, so he knows it will be awhile to get out of his system, but he thought by now, he would feel better than he does. He's been making himself, get up and walk on the treadmill, all day- well, about 2:30 he said he couldnt do it, he just couldnt do it anymore. He's going to get a hot shower now, and get on the treadmill, or the other way around. PLEASE POST! NEED YOUR ADVICE AND ENCOURAGEMENT MORE THAN EVER!

[raventwo]

Ok- EVENING UPDATE, DAY 10, AND NOT A GOOD DAY! NOT AT ALL! HE IS GETTING VERY FRUSTRATED GUYS! He is ANGRY, and UPSET, and REALLY FRUSTRATED! His stomach is getting better, his legs worst, and his mindset worst than ever. He was up all night, no sleep. He finally started to snooze a little this afternoon, and our son woke him up to go play, at his friends house, And he's been up ever since. What DO I DO NOW? HOW DO I HELP HIM NOW? Yes Rosebud, you are right about the "not his thing", and "relapsing", no doubt. I feel as though I didnt have to worry, because he just I didnt think, had an addictive personality. But what do we know? Obviously, not much, cause i can totally see him relapsing right now, he's SOOOOO OVER THIS BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your right in all that you say, about the job thing- His health is more important, I KNOW he WOULD NEVER EVER EVER, GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, NOT ON OUR LIVES! He gets better a little, than worst a little, than better maybe, than WORST! WTF IS UP!????? HELP US!!!! Much love- meXXXOOOO

[rosebud66]

Please listen for a second.......the man you love has become an addict by no fault of his own.  That being said he has crossed the line of being addicted to a chemical.  Although he may never ever use again there is the possibility he may relapse.  The fact that he said what he said to you last night is proof of the addiciton talking.  That is something that is now a part of him as a human being, and again I completley understand by no fault of his own in the beginning BUT he was snorting if i remember correctly and this IS addict behavior.  I am not trying to drag you down because you deserve the world after what you have done and been going through with him, but I do not want you to be unaware of how strong addiction is and will remain to be for awhile for him.  The fact that he would entertain the idea of starting again just to be able to get through the day for the new job is proof that he could very well relapse.  this is now coming out of his mouth after 1 day of starting to feel somewhat human again.  I understand he just wants to do good at the new job but if he does start using again the job will be gone sooner or later so it really makes no sense to use for that purpose.  you need to remind him that everytime you go through w/d it gets worse especially cause you know whats coming.  Please Please Please...you said you never worry about him using again because it's just not his thing.....well it now is something that you and he must must must be aware of.  I know this is not something you want to hear but I am so pulling for you guys and would hate to see him go "backwards".   It sounds like he is talking a lot more logically after his ride and that is great but just be aware that this is not over by a long shot yet.  The other thing I wanted to ask is what did you mean by dialated?  Big dialated or small dialated.  I'm not sure if dialated means big pupils or small.  Anyway sweet dreams to you both and hey if he is dreaming at least he is sleeping somewhat.  Another good sign.  I was thinking about you guys today wondering about the evening update and it struck me...you remind me of one of those couples you see on T.V. where they describe the love that you share is a once in a lifetime thing that most people never find.  You both are very lucky and I wish you all the best that life has for you to come.
Hope to hear tomorrows even better feeling day.  10 days and counting!!!!!

[toxictome]

Glad to hear things are progressing....the car ride was prol' jsut what he needed.
I'm glad he has a god outlook for starting the job...and if he's not ready...he'll wait....
ONE DAT AT A TIME!!!!

One thing i have found 7 wks. out...is i still have trouble concentrating.....and recalling words...but my sis's have it too...and they aren't/weren't on drugs...so who knows!!!
Just keep pushing ahead...the card was nice...

tell him to "KEEP HIS EYE ON THE PRIZE!!!!!!"   <3 TO YOU!!!

[raventwo]

Thanks guys for the wonderful words of encouragment, as always!! You come through for me everytime! Without fail! And for everybody else, that i have read so far! And you all sure know what your talking about! My husband just got back, not to long ago. He took a long drive, and said he's feeling a little better, but so spaced out. Oh, and his eyes are SOOOOOOOOOOOO DIALATED!!! He went in to the store, to get me a beautiful card, just a heartfelt, "thank you", and what do you say when thank you just isnt enough? And how much he loves me, and thank you for the unconditional love & support!! This man- is incredible, his strength continues to amaze me everyday! He said if he isnt feeling better by Monday, if its still this bad to where he can't work, he said in order not to go "backwards", he will just have to start another job THANK GOD that he can do just a couple weeks later!! Thank you for coming back to your senses! I never worry about the relapse thing with him, i guess because it's just not his nature, or his thing. He got on this stuff, because of a very bad injury to his back, and after awhile of me begging him to go see a dr. well..........this is what we ended up with!! I know he won't EVER go back, not to this ever! SO, sweet dreams, to all my loving, caring wonderful online friends! I will keep you all in thoughts and prayers, and keep pushing ahead!! And Topcat, i was telling my husband about yours, and he said- tell him, i feel like i want to run my face right through the wall, he will know what i'm talking about!!!! Talk with you all later!!

[Flutterby111]

I had horrible nightmares!! I also had horrible visions as I would try to sleep, of demons and evil faces....while I was awake....one was of needles and syringes going through skin-I don't shoot either....it's normal.....he'll be ok...honey, for some reason, we still crave.  I was soooo mad the first time I had a craving after the hell I went through, you have to understand this part of addiction.....it doesn't make sense, but it does.  I don't want to push a drug, I know very little about, but my doctor prescribed me naltrexone the other day to block craving of narcotics, apparently works for alcohol too, if it's unbearable, maybe ask a doctor about it.....????  I don't know alot, but I was told, by the psychiatrist and my drug counselor that it is safe, non addictive, and effective.....just a thought.  He'll be ok soon, be aware of depression....the mind games could follow the physical....just bear with him...you've been so great already....but that was just as hard, in a completely different way...my heart hurt so terrible.  My brain knew better, logically I had no reason to be so so so sullen, but my mind and my heart and soul, weren't connecting.....it's a sad truth....but this too shall pass, ok?  

[topcat184]

topcat has been full blown narcotic wd many times. he knows what's going to happen ahead, cus he's been through this so many times before. the emotions you can't help them. every sense is so heightened, because it's been numb for so long. and he can relate to the SMELL...he claims he can smell a woman. TCat says your hubby will be ok by Monday..not 100% but doable. That's an awful pressure to add to your mix right now. We wish you all the best. our thoughts and prayers that everything will just continue on the up and up.  
we're just learning our way around in here and seeing others' posts. hang in there. you've done great!! when this is over, you two should get a sitter and take an evening out, or something. girl, you must be exhausted!! Love to You  

[TrayCee]

great news!!!  So glad hes doing better!

The bad news is
"Relapse rates for addictive diseases do not differ significantly from rates for other chronic diseases. Relapse rates for addictive diseases range from 50 percent for resumption of heavy use to 90 percent for a brief lapse."

[raventwo]

Hi everybody! It's day 9!!  Hubby feeling better than yesterday, so far knock on wood, each day is getting better than the day b4!!!! YIPPEEE!!!  He just left to go for a ride in the car, hope he is well enough to do so, he says he NEEDS to get out, and he just wants to put the windows down, and feel the wind! He is going to put gas in the car, and just go as long as he can i guess. He has the phone, so he can call me if he needs me.  He is getting a little freaked out that he starts a new job on Mon. and he won't be feeling up to it. He says he CAN'T FEEL LIKE HE DOES RIGHT NOW! There is no way he can start a new job like this. I have to be honest with everybody out there, he said something last night that freaked me a little- he said- "the only thing that will bring me down, is if I still feel like this come Mon. thats the only thing i can see, that would deter my progress"!  WHAT THE HE** DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY?? That he will have to take "something"?????? I will kick from here to kingdom come if he even THINKS about it! I swear I will! I asked him, so you want to go through this again huh? You like this feeling, you like how you have felt the past 8 days huh?? He said, hell no- but if i have to just put this on hold until we have the $$ for me to go in to a full on detox facility than I will have to do that, but i can't start a new job like this. So i said, and he agreed- that if he should feel this way, on Monday- he would call & tell them he unfortunately got the flu, and he feels terrible, but that he would come in. We both agree this is not the best route to go- but he CAN NOT turn back! He knows it too! We dont really have the $$$ either for him to stay home any longer, but we'll do whatever we have to, to make it work. I have been working overtime, and plan on going in to work this weekend, so that will be a little more money, that could help out for now. And some things will just have to be late.  I mean, come on- He can't possibly want to turn back, right??? He can't possibly want to battle this, these demons again can he?? Well, I cant and wont. no way!  So, he says his stomach still hurts, but today ate 4 sandwiches, and i bought some more gatoraide, he's going through that like crazy, which is real good.  He is trying not to take the pepto, even though it says for stomache aches, because he feels like this is why he can't "release" as much as he would like to, and he feels like that is why his stomach hurts.He says, he IS taking the vitamins, the B12 for energy, he hasn't had any Xanax since last night, and he still has no energy. He says he did get on the treadmill about 10X, tried making it for 10min. but couldn't. I got home, rubbed his back & legs, and now he's off.  Anyway- just keeping you all updated, on his progress. Things are looking up!!!! Oh real quick- He is having a LOT OF NIGHTMARES!!! Is this normal??  Hang in there, we are ALL IN THIS TOGETHER! WITHOUT YOU ALL, I WOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THROUGH, AND NEITHER WOULD MY HUSBAND! YOU HAVE ALL SAVED HIS LIFE, AND MY SANITY!! PLEASE KEEP POSTING!!! LUV YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!  XXXXXOOOOOO

[mak17]

i am so happy to hear that he is doing a little bit better... and that this experience is opening up some emotions.  i know it is doing the same for me... my fiance is definitely laughing a bit when i start crying watching american idol because the song is "speaking" to me. :)  
but, i think you are incredible.
i am doing ok.... i have my moments of feeling ok but then my moments of feeling absolutely horrible.  i think it is like this becuase i am tapering and it is not completely out of my system yet.  i have also been doing some of the l-tyrosine and it is helping me.  but truly, i am not sleeping and feel like i want to jump out of my skin but have no energy at the same time.  it is the most indescribable, strange feeling i have ever had.  i am sure your husband has felt it times 100.  i do agree the the clonidine is also helpful but i see that it works differently for some people.
i just want you to know you are not alone and that you are doing incredible.  please tell your husband the same.  we will all make it.
mak

[rosebud66]

OMG i am so happy to hear.  i was waiting all day for an update and i am so glad he is doing better.  might not feel like it to you but just look back and you will see the difference.  read up on amino acids.  people who are recovering rave about them.  i would just stick to the multi vitamin for now until his tummy is better and then start the amino acids.  just remember to patient cause it will be awhile for him to get his energy back.  and the rls should start to subside a bit not all the way but some of it anyway.  try and get that valium out of there.  that also will contribute to the rls as well as low energy.  i realize he needs to sleep but the melatonin should help with that.  remember that the room must be dark and quiet for that to work.  good luck you guys are doing great!!!  

[raventwo]

Sorry, I keep talking & talking, now i sound like my husband huh??!! He wanted me to tell you guys that he feels, like with all the drugs he was putting in his system, for all that period of time, that he feels it numbed every sense in his entire physical & mental being, and now that he's completely off of it, every sense is "awakened", & heightened, it's almost like, it's too much, you know? Like every smell, touch is way way way to much, that he can't take it. He wants to know from you guys, is that how you feel? or felt? and does that sound about right?  He also said to tell everybody thank you so much for the support and advice, for me and for him, He says he thinks he will get on here once he's feeling up to it, and post something to you all. And thats BIG for my husband, he is a very private person so trust me it is a big deal for him to do this!!  He also said, he really is big into the whole mind over matter thing, I believe i told you that b4, he also knows that mind over matter when your going through this horrible of w/d's is extremely hard, just like one of the posts above said, when your sweating through towels, and clothes, etc....its hard to think mind over matter! He is very strong willed, and once he puts his mind to it, he can do anything. So when i tell him that i read other posts about users and w/ds off of oxy, and they say day 17 & still cant sleep, or still have no energy, he is very quick to just believe more & more in his mind, no way will that be him. He WILL FEEL BETTER and it will NOT linger!! I hope he's not setting himself up for a major let down, but i think he's saying he is just going to keep "willing" his way through. Just wanted to tell you about the senses and the taking the drugs and numbing everything, and now because he's not, its like all his senses are saying, "oh, now you want us to start working again, and feeling like we're supposed to" He says its like he is one big open exposed nerve right now!!! He can't wait until he feels 100%, so he can start being a real father, & husband, and he can start doing things with the kids, every day, instead of sitting in the hole every night!!!  Ok- gotta get a shower, & fold some clothes. Talk to you all tomorrow!!! Thnx again for the support.