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How can you tell if someone is on drugs?

If someone is on drugs what how can you tell?  What does dialted eyes mean? I think the drug being used is oxymoxin? Not sure if I am spelling correctly. Heard the name metioned, I think this might be the drug a friend is using.
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You cannot fix nor help this loved one.  You need to be selfish and break off the relationship at once.  I had to end a 24 year marriage.  It's not easy.  It's not fair.  But you need to save yourself from this lost soul.  It takes courage and strength but you must put yourself first in this decision.  I say this with love and hope that you will be selfish and help yourself first.  The lessons from living with this disease for too long are just too painful.  Love yourself more and move on.
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I've been reading this forum for over a month and I am so impressed with all the candid and 'real' life experiences.

My son has been using Oxy for over a year and we only recently found out what it was.  We knew that he wasn't himself.  He and his girlfriend have been in extreme fights that we thought were caused by alcohol abuse.   It turns out she also was on OXY and the fights were always about money.   Their relationship is trashed as far as I can tell.   There seems to be a codependency on both their parts.

He is 22 and lives at home and recently got a good job.  He has incurred many bills and is trying to pay them off.  When all this came out about the Oxy and how much he and his girlf. spent, we realized how addicted he was.

Because of the excessive fighting, filthy language and late hours, cooking everthing in sight, leaving food, dishes, utensil filthy when they come in and complete disregard for the rest of our family, who is usually sleeping. We have given  him an ultimatum.   He was to either go to a rehab or try to withdraw himself.  He tried it himself and has failed.  We are now giving him one day to 'decide' whether he wants to live here (free), stay away from girlf., and go to a rehab or leave our home.   We have other children (a 14 yr. old, a 20 yr. old and a grandchild on the way.)  His bills are enormous and he really has no money because of this addiction.

We have tried to help him out financially, but we are also tapped out.

In all your experience, have we given him the right choices?  Watching our vibrant son nodding off is heartbreaking.  We love him and want him with us, but not at the expense of our whole family disrupted on a daily basis.

It is really hard for me to use 'tough love'.  We never know what or 'who' we will be dealing with from day to day.

Please help, you all are a blessing and this forum has informed me more than any doctor or rehab facility I've talked to.

Thank you.
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can someone please let me know about this recipe i keep hearing about??what is it for and what are the ingredients??please let me know thanks lilangel
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i've heard of gold seal.  check out the local health food store.
i do not know who much a person takes, but it is to rid your system of drugs before you take a urine drug screen.  does she act differently when she comes back from going to town with her friend.  personality changes are common with drug use.  changes in sleep patterns, eating patterns, etc... are common with drug use.  if she is using, you cannot help her unless she wants help.
it is hard watching someone do drugs, hurt themselves, and sometimes die.  but unless she wants help or you know she is using, you cannot do anything.   i hope she will come clean for you.  chances are she won't.  sorry to tell you the truth. Angst
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has anyone heard of gold seal well long story short she i found some type of clear capsules on the dinning table and she told me that they were gold seal capsules and she needs to take seven to clear her system out.  is that true i kept one but i don't know how to find out what it is.  is there a way without going to the police for a test...then i found 10 without some type of white stuff in it so i don't it out and wrote a note saying what are you looking for and i put it back inthe same place. was i wrong for that I am thinking of asking her to make a decision me or the drugs should i do that..and i hate her little friend that calls every other hour to go up town...when i ask her if she is using she blows up saying that she is clean and she is not using and then she starts crying and i fell bad like a fool....i need help
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It is evening here, just got dark at 8:00 central.  It is still over 80 degrees and humidity 100%.  I am still on the list for the apprentiship at the ship yard.  It will be the end of June or early July before they get the class together.  I am waiting on that to come together.  In the meantime, my unemployment runs out, so I have to go to work.  These are not the worse convience
stores.  The cops frequent them because they get free drinks.
Most are well lit.  I am not too scared, but I will be on my toes
watching the mirrors.  I think they are going to pay me $10/hr which is what I deserve.  If you see anything, let me know.  I hope you are feeling alright.  I'm hunky dory even after reading the guy with the handle dive (should have known he was flippant).
I'm still here with ya.  I do not plan on going anywhere.  Talk to you later,   Angst
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angst:
so you think it's winter wonderland??!! it's going to be in the
mid 90's with god knows how high a humidity! the corn, beans,
hogs, and black angus country gets summer and winter... with 1
week of spring and fall in between.

so 36 is older? when your 51 it looks young to me! this c-store,
is it 24 hourm type place? i hope not! when some jitter-bug crack
or methadrine head with a hand-gun comes in...well i trust your
common sense...just give them all the money and a sweet smile and
plan on looking for a new job! you are needed here...so be care-
full!!

yeah this whole radioboy thing...i remember someone like him from
my early needle days...always hanging on and trying to be like
the "older guys." common sense dictates that a few people like
that, and you'll wind up with their blood on your hands...some-
thing i never wanted then and even less now...i remember getting
in a terriable argument with this kid who was convinced he could
IV codiene sulfate...(just because you can doesn't mean you want to)

ah well... just so long as "back then" stays back then! i still
believe the whole concept of "cyber suicide" is somewhat intrest-
ing, but not very well suited to this forum! i'll make a deal
with you and anyone else...i won't do it if you won't...come to
think about, i won't do it, and you beter not either...OK?

just remember, your needed here...and keep an angel on your
shoulder!
kip

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i hope this is a good day for you.  with all the negative energy
around here lately, i've laid low.  i have a job at a convience
store.  it is not so bad.  i think she is going to pay what i asked to be paid.  she told me she'd rather hire women my age {36} versus the younger women.  she said we know more about keeping a place clean and do our job.  she will call Monday, and i will know how to soon to start to work.  she needs employees.
hopefully, i will be working by Tuesday.  
how goes it in winter land.  it is in the upper 90's with 100%
humidity here.  i sure love the pool this time of the year.  we are directly on the gulf with that salt water breeze.  had a strange event with my kid, and i'll write you later about it.
i have an associates degree with 35 more hours of college study.
my education may be wasted somewhat for now, but it will give me
time to use my creative side.  things will get better, you know
that.   Good luck and Blessings,   Angst
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look under "van lingles" question about Anesthesia and Oxy problems, someone posted the recipe in that thread.
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Hi everyone. I am a newbie to posting here. I have visited the site on a few occasions. I am currently taking pain meds for a very bad back. I am interested in finding out where I can get information on the "Thomas Recipe". I have tried a popular search engine with no success. Any info on this would be appreciated. I will post more, and I hope everyone takes care.
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ash

thats very kind of you. I wanted to first off apologize to everyone for being absent days at a time. especially right now with 9 days clean from a 10-12 a day 7.5 and 10.0 milligram hydros I often am so distraught and/or depressed that i can't deal with anything or anyone. You are all on my mind and in my heart. Hippy i hope you are doing well. I will keep on movin along. Tell me how you are today. take care.  

Ash
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ash


  Thank you Tracy. I have been going through a week or so of hell as most of us know here. I 've got 8 or 9 days. I really really want to get some more pills. It is such a back and forth fight. I m sorry to hear about those migraines, i've heard nothing but bad things that that stuff causes. I m sure itll be fine though. I really appreciate your concern and believe me I think about you and everyone else on this forum and send my prayers that we all fight our fights and conquer. I still dont feel totally normal, hopefully after a month i will. i still have those meds fresh in my mind, even dreaming of them, thats scary. Anyhow love to hear from you as soon as you can take care for the time being and thanks again.

Ashley (Im a guy with a girls name!)
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Tl1000:
welcome to the forum. let me say first off, you have my pity. ev-
en though i have been and am now addicted to opiates, it is al- ways real sad to watch someone lose a loved one to "the sultry whisper of the heroin bird!" i've been there and done it.

so...what ya' gonna do? if it was me, first thing i'ld do would
be quit pissing in her UA sample cup. you will certainly find out, real quick if that is all your worth to her. think about it...doesn't she mean more to you, than a few drops of "clean ****" in some program's UA sample cup? don't you want to be more
than that to her? if you continue supplying her with the "clean ****" she needs to stay out of jail, or in some methadone pro- gram, or what ever...well your just a "a handy little CHUMP" for her. besides there is a detectable difference between male and female urine. she will eventually get caught anyway.

if it was me, one of us would be packing up and hitting the old
road. who ever you can get out first, her or you. from the sound
of your post, this ***** isn't worthy of your urine, let alone
any love you have left for her! do her a favor and get out of the
way of her using. if i thought there was anything worth saving in
your relationship, i would encourage you to seek help for both of
you. but since she is already well into playing the games of de-
ception,(talking code words with her using friends, for christ's
sake.) i'ld say it's time for a change and a big change at that.
show some respect for yourself, and give her the boot!
keep posting and keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
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Hi I don't do drugs but my Love one does I have been with her for about well on june 14 it will be 4 yrs I know she is doing herion because her friend just got of rehab from a $120.00 a habit she was in rehab for 28 days and got out she was clean for a week she stated calling at 6 am to get my girlfrined to take her uptown that is there code to go get high. Now I only see her on Tuesday the day before she has to goto her meetings so that I can **** for her.  what should I do?  i ask her is she is using herion she tells me know it my friend i take her to get i don't use it and if i did I could kick it at any time. a month ago she left for 4 days to go to her grandfathers so she kicked her habit it didn't last for long she sweats all night long she takes 2-3 baths a night sometimes claiming she is not feeling good now she sleeps down stairs on the coach claimming that i am acting stupid because she nods out and walks around like a zombia and that i will never understand her life because i have never been through what she has.  i am at my wits end i don't know what to do should i leave her?  her family doesn't really care i ask for help they say i am acting crazy.  then she will tell me that when she used to do herion she wouldn't drink at work.  Can someone please help me I do love her but i can not take this any more I tell her all the time let me try and help you but she will find a way to turn it around and i end up apoligizing.  I feel so helpless because I do Love her and I can see what it is doing to her she talks about her friend doing it to me like it is the worst drug ever but I know she is **** it.  Sorry about the long post but i have no one else i can talk to this about...
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i hope you realize you never need to explain.  things here have been more expensive for me.  my daughter, izzy, has had friends over for 3days, then i went to gulfport to pick up another friend who will have stayed 3or4 days before she goes home.
i've done what i usually do.  i spend money on their entertainment, special food, and rent movies and such.  i give her money to shop.
i have to quit this, or i am going to be out of unemployment with
nothing saved.  i've looked everywhere for a job. tomorrow, i start over again with the ship yard, then the mall.  lastly, i will go to Manpower.  you show up early 6 or 7, ready to work the day.  you get paid for the day's work that day.  i have even
applied at convience stores.  i feel strongly that something will come along if i keep plodding along.  i don't know what else
to do.  i'll pray about it.  the methadone does not really hinder
my ability to find a job.  my uncle might send me something, if I
go in front of the nursing board with my lawyer and my doctor.
as it goes, "Easy does it"  "keep it simple, stupid", if i can do that i just might make it without too much hassle.  you are the angel on my shoulder.    angst
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ava:
one junky to another- thanx for being you  and being here. i can
not, nor will i try, (i don't need to do i?) to explain it!!

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
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i was beginning to feel concern for you.  i thought you said you
would be back by the 1st of June.  Anyway, i am so glad you are
back.
before mother, daddy, and my grandparents died, we were very
disfunctional.  after daddy died, momma got sick.  i actually
brought her to my home.  i always had the  woman on a pedistel (sic).  it has taken years to feel as good as she was.  that had
a lot to do with od'ing the first and only time.  i still talk
about her like an angel.  she was very giving toward the end of her life.  it was nice to live on the gulf coast when others live in mid to north MS.  
not a lot of new things happening with me.  tomorrow is job hunting day.  i have been having kids with me from 4 to 5 days a week.  i've told their mothers that i'm on methadone.  i explain how i got to where i am, and the mothers accept me and continue sending their children to me.
i hope some distance between you all will bring some good will.  you can send some of your prose.
you have been greatly missed.  Good luck and Blessings,  Ava

PS  Tell IR hello for me.
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hey everyone:
i've been back since sunday afternoon. i trust no one worried a-
bout my abcense. had a very unhappy visit to my parents. like so
many addicts, i come from a very disfunctional family. i do not
blame my addiction on my difunctional family. i just wanted to
make sure no one thought i did.

my father's mental and emotional health seems to be slipping away at ever faster rates! he is is in a nursing home where he
recieves no more care than the law demands...the rest of my fam-
ily (mother & 2 sisters)...well i just can't come up with any-
thing positive to say at this point. when my wife and i visit my
family, we've always gotten in and out real fast. my 2 older sis-
ters seem to "regress" to their childhood roles of fighting, fus-
sing, screaming and hollering. my mother has a whole library of
personal agendas, etc.

i used to check out the medicine cabnet, and then find a nice
safe, out of the way spot to watch everyone else carry on. i've
never been proud nor ashamed of my family...just amazed at what
a ******* trip they can be...

now that my drug use is somewhat more under control, i don't have
the option of being the silent and invisable entity i used to be.
so...getting in and getting out is the only plan that seems to
work at all.

well this last weekend it was just my wife, my mother, and me. my
mother was in unusually top, hateful form. and it was non-stop!
what can i say??? i just didn't have enough dope...the only
healthy thing i did was cut our visit short, and give everyone,
my wife, my mother and myself the sanity (and safety) that phys-
ical space affords.

i want so badly for things to be different...but i guess if this
is going to happen, it will happen on it's own time table, not
mine!!

as selfish as this sounds, i seem to get along best with my family when they are at least several hours away. at least i have
a fairly good relationship with my mother in law.

anyhow it's good to b e back home, back to work, and back to
walking the dog! sorry i took so long to post... i guess i had
a lot ofn wounds to lick

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
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during those years of bing clean in na , life was great, beyond my wildest dreams, but it took about a year and a half till i got past a lot of ungratefulness,
i rember being clean a year and i still felt like i wanted to die,  it was not untill i really joined Na and just na ,  and i really got involved heavely, i got a home group and a sponser who was clean for 12 years and he tought me about the 12 steps.
when i went the extra mile in the na program my life just got better and better, i got my 2 children back and was  a single parent. i went around the country to na conventions and met all kinds of interesting people, and my life was greaat.
One time i was at a na convention in allen town pa , sitting at a table on a sunday morning at the spirital breakfast  meeting, waiting for the speaker, and as wewere sitting and eating at thre table i was at i began talking  to a stranger ,he was an indian who had just gotten out of the fedral penatentry, turnrs out he was at the wounded knee battle between ith indians and the FBI and he had shot an FBI agent . the interesting thing was my father was at wounded knee that morning in the black hill's starting a AA meeting, to say the least the syncronicty was thick.
I knew i was right where i was supposede to be . and that is the way my life went for the next 12 years.
ya  my father was a member of aa, and still is , me  i have always been a member of na. and na only.
my father always told me i was an addict and i belonged in na.

i could tell you a 1000 stories like the previous one.
   peace i hope your feeling good.
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Hi Ash, here's hoping each dayn and night, is better. I hate to think of what you're going through and will continue to send prayers your way. Please tell me how you're doing today.
I am well, happy, normal most of all, and that feels great! I can't write much now as my middle daughter and I are home alone and I promised to watch this movie with her, so have to go. But I will check back here later.
Physically I feel good except I'm getting very bad headaches again. Another migraine coming on, which really SUCKS. I actually think thought that it's something in the air or mold in this old house, as a lot of people around here are suffering. I seem to get migraines easy these days though. Could be my hormones regulating after surgery, or the air; whatever, it sure does suck.
Please write with your condition today. I care about you and wish you the best.
Tracy
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i think you probably got onto an unsecure website that allowed your email address to circulate to sponsors of the website or so.
they have to money to keep it going.  just like this forum has asked for donations.  which i intend to do, really soon.  i am sorry for you.  when you check out a place like this, read the agreement first.  know they are secure.  i have a couple of virus and unsecure warnings built into the hardware and we also loaded one software to help that sort of thing happening.  i hope you are doing well.  i am another recovering nurse.  i do not know if i will return to my career or change.  i am checking out what else there is.  i'm 36 years old and do not feel too old to change careers.  the politics at the old hospital hurt me, but i did my damage also.  good luck and Blessings,   Ava
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ash

hippy:  when you were clean from 1984 to 1998 how did you feel? were times good for u? thanks you for the support i really take it all to heart. how are u now ok? talk to ya





Tex3: thank you so very much. I really needed to hear those words this morning, Friday 31. I have 3 days today but i can tell most of the horrible part has passed. i feel like i am coming out of some kind of coma or dark fog. Congratulations on 9 weeks!! thats great!! I hope to get there and then some more. Thank you for your prayers and encouragement. You and everyone else here has mine. thanks for the address too. mine is ***@****  please post soon. tell me whats happenin. things are looking a little brighter finally. have a great day!!
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Have a great visit, Kip!
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hey people:
just wanted to let everyone know i will be away for a few days.
elderly parents in northwest iowa will be the order of my next sev-
eral days. i hope that IR and i can be back in town by sunday, but
sometimes things drag out a little longer.

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
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