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I need help with vicodin addiction

I was in a car accident quite a few years ago and suffer with cronic pain. I was refered to a pain management doctor and was subscribed Vicodin Es. 120 pills a month. Well I became addicted very quick. I started taking about 10 a day. I was only supposed to take 4 a day. When I would run out I would call the Dr. and tell him my purse was stolen or was goimg on vacation for a month and needed an early refill. Not a question ever asked. I used all different pharmacies and often told them I didnt have insurance just so it wouldnt say refill to soon. Then I got to the point were I would use a whole bunch of different doctors. Well I got to the point where I couldnt take it any more. I was tired all the time. I have small children and i was concerned about my future with them. So one day I called my husband at work and told him I needed to go into a hospital for a few weeks because I was an addict. This was so hard. He had no clue. So I did just that. Stayed for 2 weeks. Got through the withdrawls and came home thinking I will never do that again. They told me in the hospital that I would need to go to meetings but I said no I dont need that. I am not your "typical drug addict". I thought that all I needed to do was get it out of my system then I would be fine. Well I was wrong. A couple months after I got out I was at work and in a lot of pain. A co-worker handed me 2 vicodin. And here I am again. It is alot worse this time. I take about 20 7.5's a day. My husband told me if I ever take another vicodin again he will leave me. I have no support here. I dont want to lose my family. So there is no way i could tell him. I have only 1 pill left and I am having difficulty getting more today. I am scared to death. Every time I would get them I would say this is it no more I am gonna whine myself off this time. Every day when I would toss two in my mouth I would say ok tomorrow I will just take one at a time. Tomorrow never seemed to come cause I kept taking them and now I am down to one and desperate. If anyone has advice PLEASE let me know soon. Thamks for listening.
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I've read everyones' comments and addictions and I'm very farmilar with withdraws and side effects. I wouldn't consider myself addicted, but my father. My father was in a tragic accident about 12 years ago and has been taking narcotics since. My father is what I'd call very, very slick. He can talk his way out of a situation like you wouldn't believe. You see I am the only family memeber that really know's his problem. Hell I've taken the drugs with him and even supplied him some. I too take a pill from time to time, but only for the buzz. Him on the other hand believes it's the pain. I'm no body to judge anyones pain, but when your taking 20 - 40 percocets a day....that's more than pain. I've wathed my father take so many pain killers that he'll acctually pass out. See things that aren't real like colored deer and the chineese invading his land and talk about paranoid. Anyway, he was sent to jail for 5 years. and went from a  150 lb. noodle to 250 of health and muscle. He's been out now for 4 years and is right back in the same mode taking hand fulls of pills everyday...o'except when he's out. Then he goes through some painfull withdraws and begs anyone he can for drugs, yes including me and in the past I could always help him through by getting him some. I wont do that any more. Hell I even smuggled pills to him in jail cause he begged so much. That's what I mean, he can really talk you into doing stuff for him.He's re married now and has a nice family. He doesn't really see clear enough that's he's about to loose it all again. His wife came to me yesterday and was very, very upset. She told me he was addicted to drugs, like I didn't know. She found out his problem one day when she looked in his truck and found a grocery bag full of empty pill bottles. He doesn't realize it, but she's been on to him since, watching everything he does. Seeing him pop pills like candy. I feel alot of guilt for knowing his problem and helping him feed it from time to time. I've come to him a number of times and asked him to cut back and only take what he needs. Well that gets me no where...like I said he can talk his way out of it and actually make me believe he needs them. I've tried using my son as influence to maybe make him stop taking so many...his ansewer is always the same. I'm taking less now than I use to. My father has tought me so many things over the passed 32 years, from riding my bike, hunting, camping, football, baseball...ect. ect. and I'd like him to be around to help me raise my son.Today I'm printing all these drug addiction statments and I'm going to have him read them, when he gets to mine, maybe he'll realise I do think he's a drug addict! and want him to get some help. Back to the part of loosing his family. When his wife was crying to me about his secret addiction, I was completly floored. The past 2 weeks My wife and I can see he's hitting rock bottom and have tried talking to him. Now his wife too sees the problem. He's down in weight again and looks like he's been throught he ringer. His other son came to me the other day and said for some reason he was thinking what it would be like without dad if he had died. He said he thought dad was doing drugs again. He remembers when he was alittle kid, dad always being passed out on the floor and always complaining about pain, just like he's doing now. My brothers 20 years old now and remembers when he was 10 like it was yesterday.Everyone around my father can see the problem and see it's killing him....WHY CAN'T HE? Or does he and just doesn't know what to do?
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To jojo4you and Vicodin - hydrocodone addicts everywhere:  If you're asking the question you probably already know.  Try to stop and see what happens.  If you're not addicted you won't have any problem.  If you experience withdrawal symptoms, cravings to use, etc. then you are addicted.

A few people can use drugs recreationally for years on an occasional basis.  When any mood-altering drug is used to get high on a regular basis, for those with a tendency towards addiction the use will escalate.  If you are not sure if you are addicted now, keep using and you probably will be.

I had a two year vicodin addiction, vicoprofin, narco, anything with hydrocodone in it.  Was a heroin addict in the 70's.  Many, if not most, people with opiate addictions - of any sort - have prior or will develop endorphin deficiency.  Which is why people like opiates in the first place - it makes them feel better.  But as dependency sets in, a vicious cycle is created which leads to using just to feel normal and be able to function.

There are many approaches to treating addiction, ranging from total abstinance (NA meetings or onging support essential - narcotic addiction creates ongoing cravings to use, and is one of the most difficult dependencies to recover from, which is why methadone maintenance exists:  many are simply never able to avoid relapse or maintain continued abstinance) to opiod agonist replacement therapy (methadone and buprenorphine).

Buprenorphine is probably a better choice for hydrocodone withdrawal, but unfortunately complex DEA regs have kept it off the market.  Should be available at addiction treatment centers in the next 6 months.  It is available in a few inpatient treatment centers.  You have to call around to find someplace that can do a buprenorphine (Buprenex) detox.  But a word of caution:  A buprenorphine detox is almost so easy and painless that you will be more likely to relapse.  A certain amount of withdrawal pain does wonders to ensure future abstinance.  But no detox protocol should be inhumane.  And to all out there who are addicts, rapid opiate detox under anesthesia (UROD or ROD), while being promoted by a few treatment centers, carries high risks and is an inadequate method of detoxing off of opiates.  See Methadone Today newsletter for horror stories about ROD at:

http://www.methadonetoday.org/

Methadone may be more suitable for "high tolerance" addicts - meaning heroin.  Vicodin is a relatively low tolerance opiate - the acetaminophen in it limits your intake - you'll get toxic from the acetaminophen (and damage your liver in the process, also your kidneys) if you take more than about 8 reg. strength Vicodin a day.  Even if you are taking 20 Vicodin a day, that is approximately equal to one bag of good quality heroin a day.  And there are a lot of heroin addicts taking 10 or more bags a day.  So a 20 Vicodin a day habit really is not considered a "heavy" habit - but the problem is that many Vicodin addicts get started on it for pain conditions, and have a very hard time with "cold-turkey" withdrawal.  If you can manage it, a slow taper can work - BUT only if you have someone to dole out the pills to you.  I tried it 4 times and could not successfully detox myself.

I have met many who have detoxed off of Vicodin 4 - 5 times and relapsed.  Any narcotic or opiate addiction leads to chronic opiate cravings when abstinent, and without some form of support to deal with the craving for opiates most (over 95%) will relapse.  NA is not the only approach, but is one of the most successful for those who can integrate a 12 step spiritutal growth process into their psyche and lives.  But some addicts simply cant.  If NA is not available in your area, try going to open AA meetings, and get and ready the book "Alcoholics Anonymous" - you can even order it from your local bookseller.  It is the basic recovery text on which the most successful treatment for addiction has been founded - one addict helping another.

However, some people are simply never able to stay clean from opiates no matter what they do, and methadone maintenance treatment (MMT) is something to consider.  But there are risks - if you find that methadone doesn't work for you (and it didn't for me, can cause serious side effects in a few individuals) it's one hell of a detox.  I detoxed off of 150 mg. of methadone and you will live in hell for 3 - 6 months afterward, and not be feel "normal" for a year.  You can taper off of methadone slowly (some can), but most who go on methadone stay on it for many years - perhaps their entire lives.  It is not something to consider lightly.  Anonther interesting consideration about methadone: if you are a hydrocodone addict it has been seen that statistically, hydrocodone addicts start on low doses of methadone, but end up increasing their dose rapidly and need higher stabilizing doses (over 150 mg in many cases).  And when you get to that level of methadone side effects become more apparent:  mental clouding, nodding out, memory problems, etc.

If you have any coexisting liver disease (Hepatitis C for example) or have damaged your liver by chronic use of the acetaminophen in Vicodin and other hydrocodone preparations (and if you take lots of Vicodin and drink alcohol you will really mess up your liver quickly) you may have problems with methadone metabolism as I did, and need to take it 2-3 times daily.  Methadone is metabolized by the liver, and liver damage causes some or many to be "fast metabolizers" - meaning you have to take methadone 2 -3 times daily.  Some methadone clinics wont do what is called "split dosing" - you have to take your whole dose at once, and it wont "hold" you for the 24 hour period it should.  You end up waking up sick every morning in withdrawal.  Can be a big problem.  Also, on methadone you have to go to a clinid 6 days a week in the beginning to get your medication, and methadone treatment is typically only available in larger metro areas (some states don't allow it entirely) - for more info on methadone treatment for addiction visit the National Association of Methadone Advocates [NAMA] web site at:

http://methadone.org/

Hope this is of help.
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I take a few a week in the evening.  Am I addicted?  I'm 46 and a single Mom.
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Hi there everyone.

Well, where to begin?  I am an addict and have been for about ten years now.  I went to rehab in '95 for "crank" (methamphetamine) cocaine and weed.  It was the best thing that i have ever done in my life.  Like others though, i relapsed.  It happened about nine months after i got out.  During those nine months though I was very involved in CA (cocaine anonymous) and felt that i was moving along great.  I had a good job and was living on my own and was finally happy.  But then it happened.  Relapse.  Two months after I did that, i joined th navy.  I figured a structured lifestyle, and some one to teach me the responsability i couldn't teach myself was in order.  Plus, they also give random urinalysis tests every month.  And knowing what happens to someone that gets kicked out of the military on drug use, I know i could never ever face my family again especially after what i went through the year before.  Not to mention you will never get a good job anywhere.  Well, i have been in the navy now for a little over five years and have not touched anything since.  Without a perscription.  And here lies the problem.  Three years ago I started getting sever headaches and nothing was taking them away.  Then the headaches stayed.  I have had the SAME headache for three years now.  Every minute of every day it is there.  Sometimes it gets to the point where i cannot see and start to cry it hurts so bad.  Well, i went to the doctor about three weeks after they started and he put me on vicodin.  I was taking 1-2 5/500's every time i got a really bad one.  and they seemed to start helping with the severe pain.  Then I started noticing the high effect and started taking them every day.  Well, i was only getting 30 tabs a month and was having to hit up my buddy that has a disability.  He and his mom between them get roughly 250 a month.  And his were better because they were the 7.5's.  Well, I still go to the doctor to get mine and when they run out i still hit him up.  but between me and him he runs out really quick too.  so I am up to taking 6-10 a day now and am getting ready to transfer to Puerto Rico for four years.  I really need to get off this damn drug because it is hurting not only me but my wife and daughter also.  I have done the cold turkey thing more than I can even count and stay clean for about 3-7 days or until one of us gets our scripts again.  But the withdrawls are the worst and I have a really hard time dealing with them.  My wife does not know how many i take aq day but she knows that I am on them.  I am so scared of what will happen to me if i go to my navy doctor and tell him that i have gotten addicted to these things.  that is why I think that doing it myself is the best bet but i cannot find anything to help me with the withdrawls that i can buy over the counter.  I need help and really would like to hear what EVERYONE has to say.  so if anyone is willing to lend me a hand, please reach out beacause i will gladly accept.  my e-mail is ***@**** and if anyone has antything to say please, please write.  God help us all through this.
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Hi there everyone.

Well, where to begin?  I am an addict and have been for about ten years now.  I went to rehab in '95 for "crank" (methamphetamine) cocaine and weed.  It was the best thing that i have ever done in my life.  Like others though, i relapsed.  It happened about nine months after i got out.  During those nine months though I was very involved in CA (cocaine anonymous) and felt that i was moving along great.  I had a good job and was living on my own and was finally happy.  But then it happened.  Relapse.  Two months after I did that, i joined th navy.  I figured a structured lifestyle, and some one to teach me the responsability i couldn't teach myself was in order.  Plus, they also give random urinalysis tests every month.  And knowing what happens to someone that gets kicked out of the military on drug use, I know i could never ever face my family again especially after what i went through the year before.  Not to mention you will never get a good job anywhere.  Well, i have been in the navy now for a little over five years and have not touched anything since.  Without a perscription.  And here lies the problem.  Three years ago I started getting sever headaches and nothing was taking them away.  Then the headaches stayed.  I have had the SAME headache for three years now.  Every minute of every day it is there.  Sometimes it gets to the point where i cannot see and start to cry it hurts so bad.  Well, i went to the doctor about three weeks after they started and he put me on vicodin.  I was taking 1-2 5/500's every time i got a really bad one.  and they seemed to start helping with the severe pain.  Then I started noticing the high effect and started taking them every day.  Well, i was only getting 30 tabs a month and was having to hit up my buddy that has a disability.  He and his mom between them get roughly 250 a month.  And his were better because they were the 7.5's.  Well, I still go to the doctor to get mine and when they run out i still hit him up.  but between me and him he runs out really quick too.  so I am up to taking 6-10 a day now and am getting ready to transfer to Puerto Rico for four years.  I really need to get off this damn drug because it is hurting not only me but my wife and daughter also.  I have done the cold turkey thing more than I can even count and stay clean for about 3-7 days or until one of us gets our scripts again.  But the withdrawls are the worst and I have a really hard time dealing with them.  My wife does not know how many i take aq day but she knows that I am on them.  I am so scared of what will happen to me if i go to my navy doctor and tell him that i have gotten addicted to these things.  that is why I think that doing it myself is the best bet but i cannot find anything to help me with the withdrawls that i can buy over the counter.  I need help and really would like to hear what EVERYONE has to say.  so if anyone is willing to lend me a hand, please reach out beacause i will gladly accept.  my e-mail is ***@**** and if anyone has antything to say please, please write.  God help us all through this.
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Hi there everyone.

Well, where to begin?  I am an addict and have been for about ten years now.  I went to rehab in '95 for "crank" (methamphetamine) cocaine and weed.  It was the best thing that i have ever done in my life.  Like others though, i relapsed.  It happened about nine months after i got out.  During those nine months though I was very involved in CA (cocaine anonymous) and felt that i was moving along great.  I had a good job and was living on my own and was finally happy.  But then it happened.  Relapse.  Two months after I did that, i joined th navy.  I figured a structured lifestyle, and some one to teach me the responsability i couldn't teach myself was in order.  Plus, they also give random urinalysis tests every month.  And knowing what happens to someone that gets kicked out of the military on drug use, I know i could never ever face my family again especially after what i went through the year before.  Not to mention you will never get a good job anywhere.  Well, i have been in the navy now for a little over five years and have not touched anything since.  Without a perscription.  And here lies the problem.  Three years ago I started getting sever headaches and nothing was taking them away.  Then the headaches stayed.  I have had the SAME headache for three years now.  Every minute of every day it is there.  Sometimes it gets to the point where i cannot see and start to cry it hurts so bad.  Well, i went to the doctor about three weeks after they started and he put me on vicodin.  I was taking 1-2 5/500's every time i got a really bad one.  and they seemed to start helping with the severe pain.  Then I started noticing the high effect and started taking them every day.  Well, i was only getting 30 tabs a month and was having to hit up my buddy that has a disability.  He and his mom between them get roughly 250 a month.  And his were better because they were the 7.5's.  Well, I still go to the doctor to get mine and when they run out i still hit him up.  but between me and him he runs out really quick too.  so I am up to taking 6-10 a day now and am getting ready to transfer to Puerto Rico for four years.  I really need to get off this damn drug because it is hurting not only me but my wife and daughter also.  I have done the cold turkey thing more than I can even count and stay clean for about 3-7 days or until one of us gets our scripts again.  But the withdrawls are the worst and I have a really hard time dealing with them.  My wife does not know how many i take aq day but she knows that I am on them.  I am so scared of what will happen to me if i go to my navy doctor and tell him that i have gotten addicted to these things.  that is why I think that doing it myself is the best bet but i cannot find anything to help me with the withdrawls that i can buy over the counter.  I need help and really would like to hear what EVERYONE has to say.  so if anyone is willing to lend me a hand, please reach out beacause i will gladly accept.  my e-mail is ***@**** and if anyone has antything to say please, please write.  God help us all through this.
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