MDMA and Xanax

[mes]

Just recently, I ingested a 2 mg dose of Xanax after a tense night out and wanting to just fall asleep for a few hours.  Shortly after that, my husband and I decided ( about 20 minutes) to ingest 2 doses of MDMA (ecstacy) each.  I can barely remeber the entire event.  I definitly felt the wackiness and euphoria f the MDMA but wonder whether the Xanax effected the feeling in any way, because I felt barely conscious for 6 hours, even though my husband explained I was awake and lucid the entire time.  Would the Xanax have counteracted the MDMA?  I know in the past while using MDMA and and wanting to just go to s leep, the Xanax was of no help...............

[PS >>>>Annie]

.......OOPS!   Excuse the multiple post.  As you can see, didnt know what the hell I was doing> hee hee sorry! Annie

[To Vicky and JB]

I'm new here, and learning a great deal!...So I wasnt imagining it!  Orthopedic surg's are that way.  I have some serious ortho
problems from a mva....and did not seek help for many years, because of "addiction-phobia", and lectures about how my pain would land me in a wheelchair and pain medicine was not an option.  But, reality is now here.  I'm due for a surgury and will be in pain for the next 5 months (till I can get my ducks in a row), in order to have the surgury.  You see my Ortho knows im in pain and has the documentation to prove it, but sends me out w/ notta.  Nope, not even an anti-inflamatory!...Started seeing my pcp and he said I need to give him my records from the ortho, before he can help w/ the pain.  Sooo I'm in limbo and suffering silently, untill now.  Its nice to be able to talk to people who understand.  My family doesnt want to hear about it and only complains to me about their minor aches and pains, as if they knew what "PAIN" really felt like.  I'v been strong for 7 years now.....and believe me, its wearing out!!!.....Is this really necessary w/ all the MEDS out there!!  Maybe this is why some people become addicts!  Isnt a life-long injury or illness enough to deal w/?  Then you have to live in fear of the dr's thinking your are just a "drug-seeker."  Really!  Give me a break.  IS THERE ANY HOPE?...I know im in for it.  I just hope mentally I can handle this life that is before me.  Thanks for the shoulder....I really needed this.                    ANNIE

[To Vicky and JB]

I'm new here, and learning a great deal!...So I wasnt imagining it!  Orthopedic surg's are that way.  I have some serious ortho
problems from a mva....and did not seek help for many years, because of "addiction-phobia", and lectures about how my pain would land me in a wheelchair and pain medicine was not an option.  But, reality is now here.  I'm due for a surgury and will be in pain for the next 5 months (till I can get my ducks in a row), in order to have the surgury.  You see my Ortho knows im in pain and has the documentation to prove it, but sends me out w/ notta.  Nope, not even an anti-inflamatory!...Started seeing my pcp and he said I need to give him my records from the ortho, before he can help w/ the pain.  Sooo I'm in limbo and suffering silently, untill now.  Its nice to be able to talk to people who understand.  My family doesnt want to hear about it and only complains to me about their minor aches and pains, as if they knew what "PAIN" really felt like.  I'v been strong for 7 years now.....and believe me, its wearing out!!!.....Is this really necessary w/ all the MEDS out there!!  Maybe this is why some people become addicts!  Isnt a life-long injury or illness enough to deal w/?  Then you have to live in fear of the dr's thinking your are just a "drug-seeker."  Really!  Give me a break.  IS THERE ANY HOPE?...I know im in for it.  I just hope mentally I can handle this life that is before me.  Thanks for the shoulder....I really needed this.                    ANNIE

[To Vicky and JB]

I'm new here, and learning a great deal!...So I wasnt imagining it!  Orthopedic surg's are that way.  I have some serious ortho
problems from a mva....and did not seek help for many years, because of "addiction-phobia", and lectures about how my pain would land me in a wheelchair and pain medicine was not an option.  But, reality is now here.  I'm due for a surgury and will be in pain for the next 5 months (till I can get my ducks in a row), in order to have the surgury.  You see my Ortho knows im in pain and has the documentation to prove it, but sends me out w/ notta.  Nope, not even an anti-inflamatory!...Started seeing my pcp and he said I need to give him my records from the ortho, before he can help w/ the pain.  Sooo I'm in limbo and suffering silently, untill now.  Its nice to be able to talk to people who understand.  My family doesnt want to hear about it and only complains to me about their minor aches and pains, as if they knew what "PAIN" really felt like.  I'v been strong for 7 years now.....and believe me, its wearing out!!!.....Is this really necessary w/ all the MEDS out there!!  Maybe this is why some people become addicts!  Isnt a life-long injury or illness enough to deal w/?  Then you have to live in fear of the dr's thinking your are just a "drug-seeker."  Really!  Give me a break.  IS THERE ANY HOPE?...I know im in for it.  I just hope mentally I can handle this life that is before me.  Thanks for the shoulder....I really needed this.                    ANNIE

[To Vicky and JB]

I'm new here, and learning a great deal!...So I wasnt imagining it!  Orthopedic surg's are that way.  I have some serious ortho
problems from a mva....and did not seek help for many years, because of "addiction-phobia", and lectures about how my pain would land me in a wheelchair and pain medicine was not an option.  But, reality is now here.  I'm due for a surgury and will be in pain for the next 5 months (till I can get my ducks in a row), in order to have the surgury.  You see my Ortho knows im in pain and has the documentation to prove it, but sends me out w/ notta.  Nope, not even an anti-inflamatory!...Started seeing my pcp and he said I need to give him my records from the ortho, before he can help w/ the pain.  Sooo I'm in limbo and suffering silently, untill now.  Its nice to be able to talk to people who understand.  My family doesnt want to hear about it and only complains to me about their minor aches and pains, as if they knew what "PAIN" really felt like.  I'v been strong for 7 years now.....and believe me, its wearing out!!!.....Is this really necessary w/ all the MEDS out there!!  Maybe this is why some people become addicts!  Isnt a life-long injury or illness enough to deal w/?  Then you have to live in fear of the dr's thinking your are just a "drug-seeker."  Really!  Give me a break.  IS THERE ANY HOPE?...I know im in for it.  I just hope mentally I can handle this life that is before me.  Thanks for the shoulder....I really needed this.                    ANNIE

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I'm so sorry to hear about the way they treated your Mom.  It sounds sooo familiar to me.  Did you ever just want to take out a baseball bat and show them what real pain feels like?

When are these so-called MD's going to understand that people in pain are not addict wannabe's.  Addiction is a long term proposition and frankly some of us just don't have a lot of time left to worry about such nonsense!  Thank God for your Mom's sake you found a doctor that helped her leave in peace.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Yes, I have looked at the site you described as "widowmaker".  I don't know how they came up with that one!  It's a good site though and very informative for people in need of something stronger that Motrin for pain management.  Stay away from orthopedic docs, they are the worst ones at giving out pain meds.  Two years ago, I developed a bone marrow infection from an injury called osteomylitis.  Though the pain was about a 9, I was given only Daypro.  I finally went to my family doctor for something that worked.  I believe that people heal much faster when not under the constant burden of pain.  That just seems like common sense to me!

Enjoy the thaw, I am

J.B.

[cindi]

RE:  Bill of Rights      I have been in recovery for several years and am also a chronic pain Person.  I have received several back injuries of a 15 year period as a result of working as a nurse.  I have had a difficult time bing treated for my back injury and at first I thought it was just because my Doc knew about my addiction.  As I read the posting here and at other forums I know now that it is just pure ignorance on the part of the physicians.  When I had my C-section the incision opened up and I had a massive infection along with severe pain.  My Ob/Gyn had no clue about my recovery and at first wikd not prescribe anything stronger than Darvocet.  Finally the visiting nurses confirmed the amount of pain I was in and he gave me 30 Vicodin ES  No refills.  It took me 4 months to completely recover and become Pain free.  My mother who was sufering from a terminal illness for many years had gotten to the point where she could not take a breath without screaming in pain.  The Docs were afraid to adjust her pain meds because they did not want her to become addicted.  I was told by the Director of the Health care facility that they really don't believe my mom was in all that much pain,  they felt that she just wanted to stay "numb" so she didn't have to face her illness and prognosis.  I was livid,  We had living proof that she had several fractured vertabrae and a few fractured ribs.  The fractures were all related to the massive doses of steroids she was on because of her illness.  Still, even with proof they refused to change her meds or even up the dose.  Unfortunately, My mom passed away on Christmas day.  Finally her pain was manageable thanks to her lung specialist.  I can remember several occasions while working as a nurse the doc's never believed the patient (I worked on a surgical unit) was in the amount of pain they said they were in. The whole system literally makes me sick.  I am just glad my mom did not have to endure the pain right up until the very end.      

cindi

[VickyV to J.B. and Cindi]

J.B. you are right on with the orthopedics.  Also, I couldn't agree more that being in pain slows down healing.  as a matter of fact, a few years ago I saw a segment on 20/20 or something, and they had proof of that.  It is only common sense that when you are in pain, you are only going to be, well, in PAIN.  If you do not have that burden, your mind and body are free to focus on the positive healing process.  Today's weather was great!!! Until it started snowing around 5PM.  To Cindi:  I am so sorry about your mother.  My mother passed away eight years ago and I still miss her everyday.  I would say I can't believe those doctors, but sadly, I do.  Luckily, she had good care at the later stages.  Why doctors are afraid Terminally Ill patients might get addicted is beyond me.  So what???? They are dying.  Addiction should be the least of their concerns.  Anyway, thank you for your post.

[VickyVortex to J.B.]

Hi J.B.  I am so glad the doctors wrote that letter.  I suspected you lived near that area.  We are not too far away.  As far as doctors here, or at least when I lived in the northern part of this state, pain relief is treated with prescription motrin.  I had a sprained ankle and went to a convenience clinic and I swear to God, they gave me motrin, claiming that " The best thing for me is an anti-inflamatory."  Well, O.K., how about freaking vicoprophen!!!!  When I first realized  there was something really wrong with my neck, and that the pain was not normal, I had a family doctor who was afraid to prescribe darvocet.  I did not have a pain pill until I had a ruptured cyst in an unrelated area.  I discovered not only did I like the feeling, but it also helped my pain.  I got darvocets off and on for various ailments, but it wasn't until a friend gave me some vicodin and told me the doctor she got them from that I started taking them regularly.  The doctor in question is a minority and tends to treat minority medicaid patients.  I have gotten a lot of looks, but after 10 years, It no longer bothers me.  Yes, he is notorious in my old area for "prescribing", but after having said that, I would like to state that he has also gained my respect because he is actually very good.  He has shared some personal information with me over the years and I feel he is disapointed with the way his life has turned out also.  I am sure he did not start out in medical school aiming to be a ghetto doctor.  I think that he is unfortunately a victim of a white-dominated medical society.  The medical community basically turns a blind eye to his prescribing because he is taking the burden of the welfare clients off of the other doctors hands.  When I went into rehab for vicodin, I was determined to finally go off the hydros and I told the nurses who my doctor was and everyone was, like " He gets everyone addicted."  Anyway to your question about Indiana and being conservative my answer is a resounding YES!!!!  No way in hell would I sit for six hours with these people waiting to finally see this doctor if there was no other way to be treated humanely and not a drug seeker(the polite term for addict as I read in someone's post.)  That is why I am so scared to move away.  I am afraid no other doctor, even with a referral from my current one, will treat me with pain medication.  J.B., is it just indiana or are all areas like this?  What about that widowmaker site, which actually is a strange name for a doctor refferal site?  Have you seen that?  They have a map and you can click on states that have friendly doctors.  INDIANA is the only state that does not have any!!!! I am so shocked.  Sorry this is so long.  Thanks for your time, I was pleasantly surprised that the weather was above zero degrees today.  We are in for balmy days ahead!!!!  VickyV

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Downtown Siberia is finally getting a break!  We are going to be above freezing for the first time in weeks

When all of that happened to my wife, we ended up taking her to IU Med Center for the surgery and further treatments.  The chief of the Oncology Dept. was so pissed that he wrote letters of reprimand to the doctors involved at Ball Hospital.  Their radiology department was put on probation for several months.  Around here Ball still has a bad reputation with a lot of people even though they've revamped their entire program.

I have been keeping a pain log since October and my doctor has been reading it.  He finds the log very helpful.  He's got me on a long term series of meds right now that are really helping me painwise.  It's nice to be able to walk more than 100 feet again without having to lay down!

I think that most doctors in this state are very conservative about pain control.  What do you think?  J.B.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

My opinion is that it is all a big mess and nothing notable is going to change in the near future.  One of the most pitiful things that I have ever had to do was to place the phone near my wife so her oncologist could hear her screams of agony after radiation therapy.  He wouldn't prescribe anything but did call her radiologist who called me back several hours later to say that I could pick up a script for pain and then go to the pharmacist.  We are horrified when we hear stories about torture and inflicting pain on others, but we are not usually doctors who have over time become insensitive and paranoid about pain control either.  The pain my wife had to endure for several days to the point of going into shock was due to the fact that a hole had been burned through her colon by the radiation treatments! By the time her doctors got concerned, she was probably 36 hours from death due to peritonitis.  Damn right we sued!  But we are still bitter nonetheless.

[Vicky to J.B.]

The horrible incident with your wife is exactly what infuriates me about doctors.  Hopefully she has different doctors.  The fact that this occured while in radiation treatments is even more terrifying because I thought this was one area where even the most jaded or cowardly doctor gave full range of pain relief.  Are doctors so afraid of being sued, like in over the top cases as we read by a previous poster that they are afraid? or are they just unaware?  You are correct in the sad assumption that things will change.  Several people have mentioned keeping a pain journal, but will a doctor believe this?  Too bad there isn't a pain detector test similar to a lie detector test!!!! By the way, I see your generous contribution of six dollars did little to help this site add more question posting ability.  I guess we just have to interrupt people's threads.  I am curious, though, I go to another, music related site, and one can post a new topic at anytime, AND it is moderated!!!!!  Your comment must be related to the specific, gossip-oriented theme or it is not posted.  I can't believe there are more people that care about that tawdry site to monitor it, yet no one can take a few minutes to care about the well being of the people on the edge here?  Sorry about my soapbox.  I hope you are feeling better physically, spiritually and most of all emotionally.  Love, V

[vickyv to thread re: pain bill of rights]

This weekend has been quite the pain addicts' awareness convention!! Between Dr. Gooberman on trial and the patients pain bill of rights.  My question is:  Just because they post a sign stating patients have the right to treatment of their pain, how will doctors actually interepret it?  Does that mean, in reality, more prescribing of prescription motrin or actual pain relief.  I can't believe that automatically doctors who feared giving a dying patient codeine because they might become addicted the day before they died are suddenly going to understand all this.  What is your opinion?

[From Aunt Lindy to Mariah]

Other than the religion aspect (which I do NOT discount at all) what brought you back from that hell?  Great job on gettting your act together! I was just wondering what worked for you.
Sincerely,
Marcie.

[Older]

Back in the early 90's I lived in NTC and did a great deal of X and special K.  I had seizers related from my drug use and would wake up in ER's not knowing who I was, where I was, and what happened.  I use to be one of those not afaid to do antything to the exteme.  Not the case today.  X can and will kill you if you get the chance to live.  I know it feels good, but is it worth your life. today. And I was on all the lists to get in the best nightclubbs in NYC.  I can say, I a cout for what I was doing while I was at there places.

Hope you quit before u die or goto jail or become a ***** to drugs.

Been there, done, i don't recommend it.

Bless you , and think I am some religionist freak, i am just a born again christian. It's actully pretty cool.

I'll Pray for you.

I have been in same place you are , take my advice, its not worth it.

clark

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I don't have any experience with MDMA but I heard all about it on WLS(radio)while driving home from Chicago.  Almost all of the people said that they had used it only a few times and didn't want it anymore.  The reason...you get good stuff and bad stuff.  The good stuff will put you in heaven and the bad will make you wish you hadn't messed with it at all!  Personally, I wouldn't use anything that came from unknown sources.

[what happened with oxy tom's court date?]

wasn't he going to court today facing a DA that wanted to charge him with selling? Hope he's OK ...

[Frankinscense]

Merry Christmas Back at you and a happy New Year! I hope 2001 fulfills you and your families needs and desires!
Tom try contacting National Alliance Methadone Advocates (NAMA) and maybe they can help you locate a desirable clinic in your area. I have started a new couseling Job in my area. I hope to complete my internship at this treatment center, probation and parole relapsing population. Very busy. Talk to you all soon.
Dan..

[tom to Dan]

National Alliance Methadone Advocates (NAMA), it is, then, Dan. I'll contact them tonight. Peace to you.

[tom to Doc Dan]

a belated Merry Christmas to you, my friend. I'm still trying to implement the answer you've offered me (methadone maintenance), and I still believe I'll get there. But I wanted to acknowledge you again and tell you how much I appreciate your contribution to this forum. You've given me hope when I had really given up, to be honest. Peace to you and your loved ones tonight.

[tom to MES]

after a lifetime of rx-ing and what-not, I would say the Xanax did about what a bunch of booze would have done to your MDMA high -- just muddled it up. MDMA is wonderful, only needing a little pot to counteract the speed-jitter side effects. My wife and I don't use it amymore, but we have some wonderful orgiastic memories of long nights in each other's arms on good, pure MDMA.

I know the forum's for recovery talk and the like, but I had to get that in. No apologies offered to the man, either.

[tom -- pain patients get their rights!]

sorry to interrupt the thread, but I thought this story might impact those of us with chronic pain, etc.:
http://www.ocregister.com/health/26paincci.shtml

[To sick and scared from Neena]

I don't know much about ecstacy.  I have never taken any, but I have of bad things related to it.  All I do know is about Xanax.  I was put on it while detoxing off of Codiene.  The whole detox thing really sucked but, but the doctors are afraid of my long term use of Xanax.  Xanax itself, can be life-threatening when abused.  I do take it at night and take more than I am supposed to.  I am afaid of all these drugs and maybe you should be also.  Being barely concious is a scary thing.  Be careful.  We in this forum can help you if you have concerns.  Neena