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Methadone
I have been taking oxycontin daily for over a year, some days up to 200mg plus some hydro. I have tried over and over again as most of you know to stop taking the oxy's, but I have been unsuccessful. However, I have used methadone twice to detox and it was very successful for the physical withdrawal, I just couldn't hack the mental w/d's. Well, I bought a 40mg wafer today, it was an act of god for me. I have split it into 2.5 mg pieces and will use it to detox. My question is, is there a chance I could become addicted to it. My detox will be as follows. I will take 2.5mg twice a day for the first 4 days. then 2.5 for the next 4, then either stop or take 1-2mg for the next 4 or 5. Keep in mind, I don't get high off of Methadone, especially with the low dose, and I will never take more then 5mg in a day...... Any input would be appreciated. i think we all know that I really want this bad and I know I can deal with the mental half of things, I just want to get away from the pain..........
Try posting this as a new question. This thread is 10 years old so I doubt you'll get much response.
Dont see any new post here but anyway im on Hydromorphine 8mg and use from 10 to 20 a day and would like to get off with methadone and have about 100 tabs of 10mg methadne, ive heard some detoxes will bring you down fast does anyone know how that works ? what Mg do they start you at and what MG do they stop at ? thanks for any info
I have been addicted to Oxys for over 8yrs I was diagnosed with stage for lymphoma of the heart. It turned out to be a enlarged gland which was removed by open heart surgery. I have been going to a methadone clinic for several years. Methadone is very addicting. The withdrawals are easier than oxy but they last for months. Insomnia,aches,stomach problems are the main problems.so be carefull you dont want to get dependent on this stuff I would recommend going to a clinic or talking to a doctor so you can do it right instead of trying to do it yourself
It should go away pretty soon. In the mean time, you can take benadryl or any other anti-histamine as the itching is a histamine reaction.
hi do you know if the itching from the meth will go away in time?? it really is bothering me!! at first i wasnt sure if it was from the meth, or from the peniciilin vk doc put me on for strep ive had this week, so i stoped the pen vk today and we will see if it was that!! if it was i will be relieved as i hope it really isnt the meth, i dont want to have to stop it for itching, its a pain in my ass!! lol.. any way take care, crystal aka lilangel...
That is great news! Some people do itch from it and the eyes will go small on any opiate. As long as the drowsiness went away and the pain is being relieved, then you are good to go. That is so cool that your doctor is willing to work with you like that. Mine works with me also. Some don't, though. There should be a law against that.
hi everyone thanks for your comments. i saw doc on monday and my meth is now upped to 15 mgs every 6 hours. the stomach and tiredness has stopped i guess it goes away after a while, it is working alittle better now, i also take the vicodin es for break trou pain, im down to 4 a day, ( 2 at atime)AND YES TO THE PERSON WHO WANTED TO KNOW IF I TRYED MS CONTIN, YES I DID IT DIDNT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT MAKE MY HEAD HURT AND MAKE ME REAL SICK TO MY STOMACH!!I ALSO TRYED DILUDID, OXYCONTIN, ROXICODONE, OXYCODONE, ETC ETC ETC.. LO. THEY ARE ALL STASHED IN MY SAFE!!AWAY FROM HUBBY.. ANY WAY, IM REALLY HOPING THE METH DOES START KICKING IN,, WE WILL UP THE DOSE AS NEEDED, BUT I DO ALREADY NOTICE A DIFF, AND THANK GOD THE SIDE EFFECTS WENT AWAY!! BUT I DO NOTICE I ITCH ALOT!! IS THAT NORMAL?? I MEAN ALL OVER.. AND MY PUPILS ARE VERY SMALL,, IT DOSENT GET ME HIGH AT ALL LIKE THE VIC DID 2 YEARS AGO,, WHICH I WAS SUPRISED ABOUT LOL.. ANY WAY,, THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR RESPONSES YOU GUYS AND KEEP ME POSTED,, CYA,,, CRYSTAL AKA LILANGEL,,,
The hydrocodone as a single entity issue has come up quite a few times. I have gone to the FDA website and they have an Orange Book search that has all of the drugs approved by the FDA in it and they list no products with only hydrocodone in them. Here is the site: http://www.fda.gov/cder/ob/docs/queryai.htm
I also called a few pharmacies and they said no also. One of them was a compounding pharmacy and they said the only way it can be done is if it is compounded. They mix the hydrocodone with fillers and put it in a capsule. The pharmacist told me there is no limit on the milligrams allowed in them. If there is one out there, I would love to know what it is. It would be helpful because there are people who could benefit from that info. Can you call your pharmacy that you got it from and get the name of it? They would have it on record in their computer. I have honestly done hours of research on this subject and came up with nothing. Even the compounding pharmacist told me that it is absurd the amount of vicodins that doctors are prescribing their patients. Patrice even said she knew of one and that is what got me started on this at an earlier date...a couple of months ago. And, please call your pharmacy. It would help me greatly to have that info.
I also called a few pharmacies and they said no also. One of them was a compounding pharmacy and they said the only way it can be done is if it is compounded. They mix the hydrocodone with fillers and put it in a capsule. The pharmacist told me there is no limit on the milligrams allowed in them. If there is one out there, I would love to know what it is. It would be helpful because there are people who could benefit from that info. Can you call your pharmacy that you got it from and get the name of it? They would have it on record in their computer. I have honestly done hours of research on this subject and came up with nothing. Even the compounding pharmacist told me that it is absurd the amount of vicodins that doctors are prescribing their patients. Patrice even said she knew of one and that is what got me started on this at an earlier date...a couple of months ago. And, please call your pharmacy. It would help me greatly to have that info.
Mrmichael67:
don't want to nit pick, but there is a 5 mg tablet of hydrocodone
without anything else in it. i can't remember the brand name, if
it even had one. last summer my neurosurgeon perscribed it to me
for break-thru pain. i remember the script paper, 'cause the doc
felt it necessary to write in real big letters "no asprin, no ty-
lenol." my pharmacist said the demand for this form of hydro-c was really growing fast. small wonder. i was perscribed 20 mg every 4 hours. if il'd been taking that dose with lortab or locet my liver would have looked like piece of swiss cheese right quick!
as far as methadone goes, it just isn't for me. i doubt i would get much pain relief from it. with oxy or ms contin, i can w/d with relative ease. i doubt i would be able to do that with methadone. my expierence with methadone was the old "jump juice junky clinics" of the late 60's and early 70's. needless to say it was an extreamly negative one. i don't want to sound "down on methadone" as i believe it is one ot the few glimmers of sanity left in the "war on drugs!" methadone just isn't fo me, thats all.
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
don't want to nit pick, but there is a 5 mg tablet of hydrocodone
without anything else in it. i can't remember the brand name, if
it even had one. last summer my neurosurgeon perscribed it to me
for break-thru pain. i remember the script paper, 'cause the doc
felt it necessary to write in real big letters "no asprin, no ty-
lenol." my pharmacist said the demand for this form of hydro-c was really growing fast. small wonder. i was perscribed 20 mg every 4 hours. if il'd been taking that dose with lortab or locet my liver would have looked like piece of swiss cheese right quick!
as far as methadone goes, it just isn't for me. i doubt i would get much pain relief from it. with oxy or ms contin, i can w/d with relative ease. i doubt i would be able to do that with methadone. my expierence with methadone was the old "jump juice junky clinics" of the late 60's and early 70's. needless to say it was an extreamly negative one. i don't want to sound "down on methadone" as i believe it is one ot the few glimmers of sanity left in the "war on drugs!" methadone just isn't fo me, thats all.
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
Hi Everyone. This is my first time to this site. I am very uneducated about how to get help for a heroin addict (my brother)
He has been using on and off (mostly on) for the past 30 years. He has Hep C, and goes to a Meth clinic. He has nothing. No job, no car, no money, just the lies and the addiction. I need to know where to take him to get him on a program that is a long term plan to quit. He now threatens suicide, and I am afraid. I do not know if there is a place that can help him, without any insurance. Where do these addicts go if they have nothing? He says he wants to quit, and I am pretty sure he was clean for about a year from the herion, but he used the Meth and also Zanax to get him to that point. Now he admits he has been back on the Heroin for the past month, and can't quit, and can't handle living like this anymore. What can I do? If he were to kill himself, I know it is not my fault, but that obviously isn't a good enough answer for me. I want to atleast know where he can go, and present him with some options...I want to know if there is a way out of this for him and for his family, or if this hell is never going to end. I wish he would be trown in jail for a few years...maybe that would clean him out. What other options are there? Where do I start?? Thanks for any help. I will pray for anyone out there who is addicted to drugs, and for their family, and I will also pray that someone can help me to atleast give me options to present him with.
Thanks,
Bud.
He has been using on and off (mostly on) for the past 30 years. He has Hep C, and goes to a Meth clinic. He has nothing. No job, no car, no money, just the lies and the addiction. I need to know where to take him to get him on a program that is a long term plan to quit. He now threatens suicide, and I am afraid. I do not know if there is a place that can help him, without any insurance. Where do these addicts go if they have nothing? He says he wants to quit, and I am pretty sure he was clean for about a year from the herion, but he used the Meth and also Zanax to get him to that point. Now he admits he has been back on the Heroin for the past month, and can't quit, and can't handle living like this anymore. What can I do? If he were to kill himself, I know it is not my fault, but that obviously isn't a good enough answer for me. I want to atleast know where he can go, and present him with some options...I want to know if there is a way out of this for him and for his family, or if this hell is never going to end. I wish he would be trown in jail for a few years...maybe that would clean him out. What other options are there? Where do I start?? Thanks for any help. I will pray for anyone out there who is addicted to drugs, and for their family, and I will also pray that someone can help me to atleast give me options to present him with.
Thanks,
Bud.
You say you have been on a lot of the different meds. Have you been on oxycontin or ms contin? I have a strong feeling that you are going to feel knocked out on the dose of methadone that you will probably need. It knocked me out also. I have been on the ms contin for a little while now and I have to say that it has given me better pain relief than anything else I have been on by far. You are probably going to have to take something else besides the methadone. Getting the meds straightened out and working can be a real pain in the arse! Methadone is great for some people and some conditions, but useless for others.....including myself. If you don't have insurance, it is cheap as hell, though. That is one big benefit of being on it. But, if it doesn't work, then what is the use? Good luck on getting everything straightened out. Hang in there!
I currently take ms contin for pain, but I have previously been prescribed methadone. I was put on 10mg, 4 pills, twice a day. That was 80mg total. I didn't get much pain relief from it at all. My doctor wouldn't up the dose at all. I have had two failed spinal fusions and have pain in my lower back and left leg. I am acquainted with a director of a methadone clinic and he said that in order for methadone to work for some pain conditions, a pretty high dose much be used. Some people do get excellent pain relief from methadone and get it at a relatively low dose. But, in my case, the director said that the dose would have to be raised significantly. He didn't give me an exact number in mg, which is impossible to do, but he said I would probably at least be over 200mg a day. I couldn't say where you would have to be. If your doctor is willing, he should titrate your dose upward until your pain is relieved. If what you are taking now makes you tired and your stomach upset, raising your dose will only make it worse.
thanks for you comments everyone. i was put on methadone last monday by my doctor for my pain,im on 10 mgs every 8 hours which really dosent help much,, and it makes me tired and makes my stomach alittle quiesy..i have tryed almost every drug out there and patch and shots and pt etc etc,, i just hope when i go back this monday my doc, ups the dose more because it really isnt doing much,, i have tryed also the pain meds witout the tylenol ing,, which some of you suggested but either bad side effects or also they didnt do much either , i have a very high tolerence to pain meds,, unfortunatly,, so its trial and error for most these things,, does anyone out there use meth for pain also?? and if so how much and does it help?? thanks everyone,, lilangel,,
First off, methadone is also used for pain as well and a lot of pain clinics do prescribe it. It is just like any prescription, you go to the pharmacy and they fill it. And, methadone is not only for heroin users. It is for people who are addicted to opioids, heroin being just another one of them. Actually, a lot of pain patients have a higher tolerance than a lot of heroin addicts do because they have more of a steady supply. Percolone, Roxicodone, and oxy ir are brand names of oxycodone drugs with no tylenol. There are tons of generics with dosages going from 5mg on up to 30mg. There are no single entity hydrocodone products. They all have either tylenol, aspirin, or ibuprofen in them. Some op's in the us have tylenol counts as low as 80mg in their hydrocodone products, but I think Norco is the lowest you will find normally at 325mg.
I don't know if you will read this, but you don't want methadone. You should only take methadone if your doing maintenance to keep from using H and or if your using it for a rapid detox.
Your right, there is a lot of tylenol, but that is the case with most others as well. There are definitely more potent pain medications available for you, you should ask your doctor. Most recently I have seen vicodin and percoset that were tiny in size, some companies now manufacture these meds with very little or no tylenol......... just a thought,
I hope all is well
GWH
Your right, there is a lot of tylenol, but that is the case with most others as well. There are definitely more potent pain medications available for you, you should ask your doctor. Most recently I have seen vicodin and percoset that were tiny in size, some companies now manufacture these meds with very little or no tylenol......... just a thought,
I hope all is well
GWH
Yes, I recognize your name too. Thanks for the encouragement. Of course, they are not 'letting" him do anything. It is kind of a game of Russian Roulette. The insanity of drug addiction! Yes, it is nothing short of a miracle that he is willing to do anything to help himself. It has been one long haul. I discovered this site in 2000, the first time that he got clean. He lived at home for 4 months then ventured out into hell again. Same song, second verse. This has got to work. I don't have it in me to keep this up. Thanks again, Gina
Gina:
first of all let me express relief that your son is in a metha-
done program. that is nothing short of a miracle! things may not
yet be perfect, but this is progress!
i never did find me a clinic where they would "let" you shoot
morphine on top of your juice! i have been thrown out of one,
after failing a UA however. i hope your son hits maintaince be-
fore he is caught with a dirty UA.
i hope you are doing well! you've been posting almost as long as
i have. you have been in my prayers more than your son has!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
first of all let me express relief that your son is in a metha-
done program. that is nothing short of a miracle! things may not
yet be perfect, but this is progress!
i never did find me a clinic where they would "let" you shoot
morphine on top of your juice! i have been thrown out of one,
after failing a UA however. i hope your son hits maintaince be-
fore he is caught with a dirty UA.
i hope you are doing well! you've been posting almost as long as
i have. you have been in my prayers more than your son has!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
My 20 year old son is on methadone, 120mgs a day. He had a 4 gram a day heroin habit and still does not feel like he is at maintenance. He is supplementing with injectable morphine while waiting for them to increase his dose. I am afraid he is increasing his habit by adding the morphine to the methadone. He sort of "tops off his tank" to be sure he won't feel badly. I notice that he gets agitated and panicky following a morphine dose but he isn't receptive to what I have to say. I am just praying for the day that he reaches maintenance. What a living hell drugs cause. thanks, Gina
hi i also suffer from chronic pain, i have fibro, pinched nerves and tentinitus, i have been on vicodin es for 2 years 2, 3 times a day, it isnt working as well as it did in the beg,, i had tryed about 20 other diff meds trial and error, nothing has helped,, what doc gave you the choice of meth?? a pain doc?? im wondering if that also is a good option in my situation also, as the vicodin has alot of tylenol in it and is so toxic for you liver,, let me know how you make out and if you do decide to start the meth, how its working,, thanks lilangel
Hi, I am new to this site. Today as a matter of fact. I need help. I am very frightened. My Methodone clinic has been bought by a company from it's original owners. I was on a financially assisted program and they let the ball slip and they lost their funding. Anyway...I am on 60 mg. of methodone and they have given me two months to detox or pay. I can't afford to pay so I am detoxing. If you were above 90 Mgs. they gave you 3 months...and if you were below 50...they gave you one month. Now...even if they do get their funding back...I will still detox. I am finished with this thing running my life.
I have been on Meth since 1972 and got off it in 1995 (in jail). It's different in jail. Now I am going to do it on my own. I got in a bad accident in 1995 and am on dissability. What I am trying to say is that when I was clean I got re-addicted to pain pills and had to get back on Methodone in 1997. So I was clean 2 years. I am not afraid of using again (had a great awakening...the accident). I am afraid of my health. I want to know if you think it's possible to get off of 60 in 2 months. How bad do you think it will be and any suggestions you might have. Thanks.
I have been on Meth since 1972 and got off it in 1995 (in jail). It's different in jail. Now I am going to do it on my own. I got in a bad accident in 1995 and am on dissability. What I am trying to say is that when I was clean I got re-addicted to pain pills and had to get back on Methodone in 1997. So I was clean 2 years. I am not afraid of using again (had a great awakening...the accident). I am afraid of my health. I want to know if you think it's possible to get off of 60 in 2 months. How bad do you think it will be and any suggestions you might have. Thanks.
I can describe how great it feels to see all your posts when I come to work in the morning. Its incredible. I have a computer at home, but I choose to stay away from it on the weekends, sometimes its too much. Anyway, Well, I took a little more methadone then expected, however, I bought less. When I got methadone on friday, I was expecting to get a few wafers (40mg) but like I told you I only bought one because I figured I wouldn't have enough to get in trouble. So, I took 5mg doses. I took 5mg friday night, then during all of saturday I took 7.5, then the same on Sunday, and I took about 5mg this morning. I felt good on Sat. and Sunday, today I feel ok.........but this morning I threw out the rest of the methadone, it did what it needed to do, it got me through the first 3 days, I feel like If I kept it I would have taken too much on monday, and would have tried to buy more. Like you all warned me, I don't want this to become maintenance......right?? Well, I"m doing well, yesterday, I went to my girlfriends house, we rollerbladed 6.3 miles, then got a slush, we hung out all day and then went to dinner and then went to the driving range and got some ice cream...... The weird thing is the depression and lonliness........... When I go away I get home sick, i have always been that way, but once I get home I feel great. But with withdrawal its different. I get lonely when I'm sober and then when everyone is around me, I feel worse........ how the hell does that work??? Well, I love you all for the incredible support, caring and kindness you have brought to me. I will keep you posted, and thank you so much for just being here, you have been my crutch and my shoulder to cry on, with out all of you I wouldn't be where I am. I have been sober for 3 days.
GWH
GWH
Can you help me? I am a chonic pain sufferer, and just had an appointment with a pain specialist. I am taking Vicodin (2-4 pills per day, 500mg) now which I was told was not a good method to relieve pain as I am inconsistent and the tylenol bothers my stomach...
I was given a huge choice of meds and the doctor wanted me to choose. Methodone, Oxycotan, Morphine (oral), Duragistic patch. I should mention that we ruled out quite a few based on my medical history and intolerance of many topicals and oral medications.
I am not looking for a buzz, actually I don't want one - I just a something to relieve my horrible pain that is out of control (I have severe / chonic / advanced bone disease in both of my knees).
What do you think is the best at relieving the pain - which won't mess up my mind? Would you recommend I keep my job which is highly analytical in nature?
I should mention that my insurance will cover the meds, and I can stay on disability or medically retire, if need be so money isn't an issue.
I am looking for advice, based on personal experience, on what is the best pain reliever, least addictive (I do not seem to be emotionally addicted to the Vicodin), and least mentally imparing.
I initially picked the Oxy, and my doc wrote a note for 10mg per day of the Oxy combined with 150mg of Effexor RX (which is supposed to have some pain reducing qualities, I am told)
Your suggestions would greatly be appreciated before I go down a path that is difficult to change.
I was given a huge choice of meds and the doctor wanted me to choose. Methodone, Oxycotan, Morphine (oral), Duragistic patch. I should mention that we ruled out quite a few based on my medical history and intolerance of many topicals and oral medications.
I am not looking for a buzz, actually I don't want one - I just a something to relieve my horrible pain that is out of control (I have severe / chonic / advanced bone disease in both of my knees).
What do you think is the best at relieving the pain - which won't mess up my mind? Would you recommend I keep my job which is highly analytical in nature?
I should mention that my insurance will cover the meds, and I can stay on disability or medically retire, if need be so money isn't an issue.
I am looking for advice, based on personal experience, on what is the best pain reliever, least addictive (I do not seem to be emotionally addicted to the Vicodin), and least mentally imparing.
I initially picked the Oxy, and my doc wrote a note for 10mg per day of the Oxy combined with 150mg of Effexor RX (which is supposed to have some pain reducing qualities, I am told)
Your suggestions would greatly be appreciated before I go down a path that is difficult to change.
How are you doing? Like Angst, I had the stomach cramps for weeks after detox, and I was coming off norco, not methadone. But they weren't nearly as bad as they had been the first week. Mainly in the mornings, I'd get sick, of after I ate. Then it would go away. I kept taking bentyl for about 2-3 weeks and that helped tremendously.
One other option is a rapid detox, under sedation. It's offered under general and my doctor also offered it at home, where you were sedated but awake. He said it took 12-24 hours that way. He gave you a cocktail of meds plus naltrexone to get the opiates out of you much faster than just quitting cold turkey, which is why it didn't last at long (but apparently would make the misery unbearable if you weren't sedated, too). I am just passing on information here as I never did either of these routes and have no personal experience. I know you are afraid, of detoxing and feeling like ****, having your husband find out, and possibly losing your kids. You must feel like you can't win here. All I can say is I assure you many here have been in similar situations. Many times I had to withdraw without telling my husband because he didn't know I was using again. My leg would be bouncing all over the bed and he'd wake up and yell at me. Of course, he knew what was up, I see that now. But we upheld the charade or just were shitty to each other without addressing the issue. Finally I told him it was out of hand, I was using way too much, and I had to quit. He even went to get my last prescription for me and the pharmacist took him aside to say I'd taken something like 300 pills in a week or so. I don't even remember now how much. My husband said that was nothing, I ate them like candy...but it really freaked him out. I already had an appointment to see my doctor and quit on that Monday (it was Saturday) but had begged the pharmacist for just 12 pills to get through the weekend. It was all really humiliating, but I did quit that Monday, for good.
I hope you're feeling better. Please update me. I emailed you, as well.
One other option is a rapid detox, under sedation. It's offered under general and my doctor also offered it at home, where you were sedated but awake. He said it took 12-24 hours that way. He gave you a cocktail of meds plus naltrexone to get the opiates out of you much faster than just quitting cold turkey, which is why it didn't last at long (but apparently would make the misery unbearable if you weren't sedated, too). I am just passing on information here as I never did either of these routes and have no personal experience. I know you are afraid, of detoxing and feeling like ****, having your husband find out, and possibly losing your kids. You must feel like you can't win here. All I can say is I assure you many here have been in similar situations. Many times I had to withdraw without telling my husband because he didn't know I was using again. My leg would be bouncing all over the bed and he'd wake up and yell at me. Of course, he knew what was up, I see that now. But we upheld the charade or just were shitty to each other without addressing the issue. Finally I told him it was out of hand, I was using way too much, and I had to quit. He even went to get my last prescription for me and the pharmacist took him aside to say I'd taken something like 300 pills in a week or so. I don't even remember now how much. My husband said that was nothing, I ate them like candy...but it really freaked him out. I already had an appointment to see my doctor and quit on that Monday (it was Saturday) but had begged the pharmacist for just 12 pills to get through the weekend. It was all really humiliating, but I did quit that Monday, for good.
I hope you're feeling better. Please update me. I emailed you, as well.
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