Overdoses

[Valerie]

My cousin just died of a herion overdose.  No one would tell me or no one knew what happened to the person while their having an overdose.  My question is What happens in a herion overdose?

[charm10]

Hi everyone, I always read these comments, but never ask questions or let ya'll know what is going on with me. Well, here I am!!! I have been on alot of potent pain meds, ranging from perc 10's 2every 4-6 hours, ms contin w/oxy IR, fentayl patches 50cg-100mcg, methadone 10mg 3 3x's a day for a total of 90mg/daily. My last script for morphine was 120mg/3xdaily with perc 10's for breakthrough pain. My last visit to my pain doc/surgeon, I had a choice to increase to taking an 120mg more per day.That would have been going from 360mg/daily to 480mg/daily w/ the per10's. Well I swicthed to oxycontin 80mg 2x/daily. Of course the pharmacy gave me the generic oxycodone hci er 80mg. Is this the same thing? I do get relief from my pain. but not the euphoria I got before when I took them for a short 2 months. I also take depression meds, mood stabilizers,klonopin,ambien, and other meds for medical problems. Before my switch In order for me to get out of bed for the day I had to take my ritalin and perc 10 to get energy. Percs gave me energy to do all I had to do in the day. Sweating badly is a major problem with all of them and may i mention clumsy especially in the morning. Forgetfulness is also a problem, so my doc that gives my depression ,ect meds increased my ritalin in the last month by additonal 20mg more. Being swiched every so many months with my pain meds, I end up having  alot of different pain meds left over. If you could only see all this stuff!!!! I should never be in pain with all the pain meds I have. I know better not to combine them. I'm not trying to kill myself . But, honestly sometimes I want to feel the euporia and my body is so tolerant to pain meds that I can't get it like I used to. But the best and most important is I'm getting what they were percribed for----PAIN RELIEF. By the way I have a spinal desease,buldging dics,cervical spinal stenosis,and bone growing over spaces along my spine where it should not be. MY doc told me I would have to be on pain meds for the rest of my life. I had 5 nerve block procedures within 1 summer. The last 2 I was injected 5x in my spinal cord when it usually only takes 1inject. and 1-3 procedures not 5!!!!! So, anyway here is my opening to this forum to chat w/everyone who may be on the same page I am.   Charm10 waiting to hear from you.

[cindi]

have never had anything quite like that but i have had alot of different "jolts"  very similar to that  when on the vicodin...I can't remember exactly but i think JB or someone who is a regular here as well as myself has had experience with different types of sensations....JB?  are you out there?  was that you that I was discussing that with awhile ago?      anyway,  this type of sensation or whatever is really nothing you want to play with,,especailly is the arm and chest area as you described....you better make a trip in to see your doc and maybe be honest re;  everything...is this an option?   love to al    cin

[vikepuda]

I have been experiencing sharp pains in my left arm and heart.  It is a split second sharp pain that is startling, it occurs as I am trying to fall asleep.  The pain has started in my left arm and move horizontally to my heart and it has started in my lower abdomen moving vertically, it is a quick as a shock...here and gone with no lingering pain.  Lastnight I had 3 episodes, the sensation is an extremely quick sharp pain.  My mind is clear, my pulse is strong, it has been 3 or 4 hours since my last dose.  I do not feel overly tired or anxious....I would say I feel normal, and then I get the sharp pain and it scares the hell out of me.  This has occurred the last three nights.  I have had trouble falling asleep while on vike's before, but nothing like this

I am a recreational vicodin user.  I usually take 12-15 vicodin 7.5 per day.   I have gradually increased my dosage.  I know it is time to quit, especially with these recent episodes.  Has anyone experienced anything similar to this?

Thank you for reading.

vikepuda

[J_C09]

Are you snorting them?? I've read snorting can cause some kind of build up around heart

[Person]

sorrryy to here about your couson
love person

[Luke]

To Valerie,You feel pleasure when you OD on Heroin.If you stop breathing for more than 4-5 mins and then are revived, brain damage will result and their will be pain, physical and psychological pain,especially because you know you have damaged your precious mind.If you are not revived and die you do not feel pain at any point.

[Bryan Hazard]

Hi Valerie,

Well i am not a doctor or drug counceller but i have heard and read about overdoses.One way a person can die is through a blood clot that goes directly to the heart and causes a massive heartattack.Thats how most heroin users die of an overdose.'
The opiate heroin when taken in large ammounts can cause the respotory muscles around the heart and lungs to collapse which also casues a heartattack.Although the heart might be fine and strong without the respotory muscles to sustain breathing your pretty much dead.Choking on vomit is another way in which abuseres have died in the past.

Just yesterday i heard of a guy who was a year above me in high school,was deputy head boy went to university and was finishing his honours when he died on Sunday or monday of an overdose of heroin.And i also heard that an  on off friend of mine....who i took acid with about four years ago and bumped into a couple of times at raves died of a heroin overdose.
Its getting all to common now.

[Alice To Theresa (RE: oxy queston)]

Hi Theresa. Please read my letter under the endorphin look for name Want 2bUNopiated. May I suggest doing some reaserch on Oxycontin on the net.
I too was placed on thie med (ironically, initially given to me by a psych treading me for addiction to lortab 10/5--same amout of hydro as lorcet, less acet.) I was told the same thing about the non eurhorac effect.
As you propably know, chewing them stops the time-release effect. Take a damp paper towel and gently rub off the yellow coating. Consider that percodan (oxycone) has 5mg of oxycone. 40mg of oxy = 8 percodan. Since  
I am not in anyway encouraging you to do this. Within several weeks of using my oxy's as described, I niavely started chewing 1/2 an oxy at a time and felt nearly instant europhia. Within no time at all, I needed a whole on, then two. Before long I was taking a total of 6 to 8 per day. (48 to 64 percs a day)
The next time I see my pain spec, I am having my meds doled out by a friend because I have proven I can't trust myself.
I debated tellin you how easy it is to get the europhia you desire. However, I know how easy it is to find this info on the net.
I am WARNING you how easy it is to lose control with them. I have recreationally done a lot of things. But have never become addicted before the oxy's.

e-mail me if you want to talk more  ***@**** (i can't remember how to send as link)

Merry Christmas
God Bless

Alice

[J_C09]

I agree if you don't need them don't take them they will control u very easily. I have them prescribed for pain and always need more I see people selling whole scripts of 20 and 30 mg oxy 120 and 240 pill scripts sell everyone of them and people like me can't get enough to get through the month it's a very aggravating situation don't take them just to get high ..I was on 230mg a day of methadone for just over a year it made me fat and tired I'm now back on oxy under doctors care be careful with the opiates u can't just walk away from them

[Krissi]

2 days ago I overdosed accidently on H....obviously I did not die - thanks to my very close friend who saved my life.  What happens is your heart begins to slow (feels like falling asleep only you know you're only supposed to feel the nodding/dreaming of the drug - but instead you feel this uncontrollable slowing down) I kept saying I was "really high"  - it seemed too high, I didn't know I was dying...that my heart was about to stop.  Once my heart stopped - the blood stopped pumping & I turned white & my lips purple.  It took 25 minutes to get my heart pumping again - CPR, mouth to mouth, and punches on the heart to wake it up. I felt nothing once my heart stopped - I don't remember anything.  I saw nothing and felt nothing & right before I went out, it felt as if I just slowed to a stop, fell asleep...and there was no end - no visions - no nothing.  I woke up on the floor & asked what happened to the tear stained cries of my best friend saying he had just given me cpr & mouth to mouth - I told him not to tell me ANYTHING else - just to get me outside to wake up, breathe and walk it off - stay awake!!  I told him just this morning that if I wanted to take my life, that that would be the way - to slip off the planet & not see a thing.

[parker]

Well, I work at a pharmacy, and have a pretty vast knowledge of perscription drugs in general. If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me at ***@**** or hit me up on AIM.. my SN is ScrnNm9902

I'm neither a pharmacist nor a doctor, just so you're aware. Just an addict and a.. well. I dunno. I guess my drugs are mostly CIV's.. About 70mg of valium a day orally is.. it.

[Theresa]

What about chewing Oxy's.  I take 120 mg of Oxy a day, and it does nothing for me. No euphoria, I would rather take Lorcet 10.  They are the best.  My husband has talked to all my doctors and they will not prescribe any pain med.s any more, I see a pain specialist for the OXY.  I used to be on MS contin and did not like that at all.  Thanks to my husband all he has done is make me resent him, and make me want pain pills even more than before.  I think it is better to pop a few pills then to find some drug on the street and smoke it or use a needle.  I can not wait until February,I will be able to see my other doctor and get some pills.  You think that being off of them for about 6 months now, why would I start up again?,well my life was alot more fun and I actually looked forward to waking up so I can start my day with some friendly, take all my worries away pills.  I do not see where all the concerns are, addiction is in every one, we all have some kind of addiction some are illegal that is the only difference.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Oxy Contin?  Isn't that some kind of laundry detergent?  What are you into with that?

Just kidding!  Post a more specific question and someone here will try to help you if possible.  Luckily, I have no experience with this narcotic other than what I've learned by reading the dozens of posts here about it.  It's pretty wicked stuff!

[Ricky]

Hello,anyone here addicted to Oxycontins?

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Please be careful about using opiates and running. Yes they do allow you to run farther and longer and that could be a problem.

You may hurt yourself and not know it until the drug wears off.  As an example, about fifteen years ago I was using morphine to kill the pain of a back injury. I was a construction worker at the time with a major rail company and was working 16 hours a day. One day I fell into a hole and hurt myself.  But due to the morphine, I simply dusted myself off and returned to work. A few days later my right arm was all but useless but I just took more of the drug.  When my arm became noticeably deformed I decided to see a doctor.  My radius bone was broken!  To this day my arm is giving me fits in that it never healed right.

Yes, you may be experiencing withdrawals after using hydrocodone drugs for the length of time that you stated.  Panic attacks are not uncommon.  You will also have severe flu like symptoms, diarreah, runny nose, muscle twitching and spasms, lethargy, hot and cold flashes, sweating and insomnia.  Not very pleasant at all.  Then you may have to deal with depression that almost always accompanies detox from any drug.  Yes, see a specialist by all means.  Good luck and keep posting if you need any first hand experience info about addiction!

[lisa]

Hi everyone, I am new here. I started taking lortabs and Vicodins back in March for surgery. My doctor gave me 30 pills plus a refill. I didnt really need to use the first refill nevermind the second. Here is where it gets weird. I only take about 4 in the moring before I go running. I find I can run longer without feeling tired. That is the only time. I have been doing this for about  7-8 months. THe other night I felt like I was having a panic attack. I felt like my body was burning, I also got goosebumps and a racey heart. The next day I felt the same thing. I took myself to the emergency room thinking it was withdrawals from the Vicodin. They told me it was just panic attack and the from my use that I am more psychologically addicted than Physically. Needless to say I will not take any today and see how that goes. My husband has no idea about this at all (vicodin)

Also will switching to ultram for awhile help?

What do withdrawals feel like? Are they like panic attacks? I do have a history of Panic attacks and I am thinking about seeing a specialist in this field.

Thanks for the info!

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I agree that the country is in the Dark Ages when it comes to addiction treatment.  I grew up in Europe(English is my third language) and can tell you that the mind set there is so much different.  I doubt that things have changed there much since I was there.  When you get busted for posession for instance, you are considered mentally ill. In America you are a criminal and thrown into jail. In Germany, you go to the BUG HOUSE for therapy. The same was true for Holland. They believe in control and not punishment. Our "War on Drugs" here is a joke and is not being won by anybody but the cartels of S. America and the Far East.  Our war on drugs here hurt you and me more than the cartels. They are in control not us.

Don't get me wrong here as I am 100% for this country and would not move elsewhere. I just disagree with some of our mind sets and policies about drugs. Someday, we'll learn by our mistakes- the hard way. My point is that we have a million miles of dirty, bumpy road to travel before our country wakes up and smeels the coffee.

[tom to shayna]

I've been looking into these "addiction docs." They're hard as hell to find. Yes, the ones I spoke to were all about detox and 12-step programs. They may have a few tricks up their sleeve to help you recover, but you can only get opiate agonist maintenance therapy from a methadone clinic. This country is still in the dark ages most places.

[Valerie to J.B]

Thank you so much.
Hearing that makes me feel so much better.

Thank you again

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

What is your question? If you want to know if your cousin felt any pain while in overdose, I say no. I've OD'd but didn't die. After the initial big rush and pins and needles feelings all over, there isn't much pain. While in the military, a friend of mine shot up too much heroine and died in his bunk. There was no death agony on his face or any sign of struggle. He just went to sleep and stopped breathing. Sorry for the poor analogy here, but thats why they put animals to sleep. To keep them from suffering, they are given an overdose of barbituates.

[Valerie to J.B]

CAN A DOCTOR PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION.
CAN SOMEBODY  PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shayna to phil]

don't forget me guys! i had a little setback, my wisdom teeth removed. so meds were a must! o.k. back to square one. what are these addiction docs listed under? are they going to insist on in-house detox? whats it about? help me out! i am so ready. thanks again. please answer

[tom to VAL]

Val,
check the site out for info on heroin:
http://www.drugtext.org/sub/opiat1.html

[Valerie to J.B]

Thanks Tom,  I just wanted to know what my cousin went through, and how much pain he felt. (hopefully not that much)
If you have any more information can you please tell me?

Thank you

[tom to VAL]

VAL, a minor overdose, you lose consciousness, breathing all but stops, blood pressure down to nothing.
Average overdose, your heart stops. You stop.

The most dangerous thing about heroin is the low threshold between a good high and death. The danger is compounded because it's street-cut and of uncertain potentcy. It's russian roulette. And snorting is no safer than shooting it. Take a pass.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

You did get one response about O.D. but it wasn't from a doctor.
They don't come around here much anymore. Personally, I'd rather hear it from someone who has actually OD'd than some doctor who probably hasn't. It's like asking a male doctor what childbirth feels like, right? Maybe if you were more specific about the subject you would get more answers. Just asking what happens when you take too much Heroine is a loaded(no pun intended)question.