WHY ARE CODONE WITHDRAWALS SO BAD

[eminem32169]

AS OF FRIDAY AT LUNCH I DECIDED TO CLEAN MYSELF UP, AND BOY I TELL YOU WHAT THIS IS THE HARDEST THING I'VE EVER HAD TO DO IN MY LIFE.  DAMN I'VE DONE IT ALL COKE FOR A YEAR STRAIGHT, EXTACY, METH, TONS OF POT "WHICH POT ISN'T ADDICTING BY THE WAY, AND SHOULD BE LEGAL BECAUSE I WOULDNT BE IN THIS MESS" AND GETTING OFF OF CODONE IS THE HARDEST AND I MEAN THE HARDEST THING I'VE EVER TRIED TO DO. I WENT FROM 12 PM ON FRIDAY TO 6 AM ON MONDAY MORNING WITH "ABSOLUTELY F'N NOTHING"  I WAS USING APPROX 20 7.5MG OF PERCS, OR VICS  A DAY, OR I COULD EAT THE 5MG LIKE FREAKING CANDY, POP AT LEAST 5-6 AT A TIME, 5 OR 6 TIMES A DAY... THATS A LOT OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....   THIS MORNING AND JUST LIKE THE PAST 2 DAYS THE WITHDRAWALS WERE SO INTENSE AND LIKE I'VE READ IN ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S STATEMENTS YOU DO JUST WANT TO DIE!!!!!!! COLD HOT COLD HOT COLD HOT ALL DAY, AND ITS 80 OUTSIDE AND IM IN A SWEATSHIRT :) LOOKS A LITTLE ODD!  BUT I HAVE TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO, AND I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE METHADONE, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER LEVEL UP THAT I DONT WANT TO GET INTO, BUT LIKE IVE SEEN IF YOU USE IT LIKE YOUR SUPPOSED TO IT CAN HELP, "AND GIVE YOUR GIRLFRIEND YOUR PILLS BECAUSE YOU CANT TALK THAT WOMAN INTO ANYTHING" I THINK I HAVE THE WILL POWER TO GET PAST IT ALLI!!!!  I DO HAVE A SCRIPT FOR VIC FOR MY BACK, AND I DO NEED THEM FOR PAIN, BUT I NEED MY TOLERANCE BACK DOWN., AND TO GET ON A CONTROLLED LEVEL... MY GIRLFRIEND NOW HAS MY VIC'S I HAD LEFT, BECAUSE I WANT HER TO CONTROL THEM FOR NOW.... SHE DID GIVE ME ONE THIS MORNING, I HELD IT IN MY HAND FOR ABOUT 5 MIN, THOUGHT WHAT I WAS GOING THROUGH AND TOLD MYSELF THIS IS ALL FOR TODAY, AND I TOOK IT....I TELL YOU WHAT IT HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY.... " STILL A LITTLE HOT COLD BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I HAVE BEEN THE PAST TWO DAYS WITHOUT ANY, AND STILL A LITTLE EMOTIONAL........FROM 20 TO 1 I HAVE TO GIVE MYSELF A LITTLE CREDIT AND IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP YOU I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TALKING TO THEM, SHE'S A GOOD GIRL NEVER DONE A DRUG, GOOD STUDENT STUFF LIKE THAT, AND SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS **** IM PUTTING HER THROUGH....... THANKS BABE

[eminem32169]

ok day 4, wasssssssssssssuppp withdraws not so bad, didnt have a vic this morning but i was told instead to try and ultram so i did because hell i have everything in my cabinet.... helped alot once again and i'm going to get through this and i want to thank everyone for writing me and helping.. it means alot.. I"m goin to South Carolina today, my gf wants to get me out of the house which i really dont want to but hey i need too... well she needs me right now she sprung her ankle last night :( this was supposed to be my time not hers :) but oh well helping her gives me something to do to :).... thanks to all

[Kevin_Bacon]

Yes, theformula's right, but you're still doing so well, it's hard to say such things. You'll have to back off that one-a-day thing soon ... with me, the low doses got so annoying, I'd just quit altogether; maybe that's how it'll play out for you, too.

You've done a remarkable job nonetheless, and we're watching this thread closely ... as far as the benzo's go, I still hold the view that a SHORT RUN (7-10 days, tapering near the end of the script, is okay for most. You'll be able to think more clearly with sleep, and stay calm when the cravings hit. Just tell your doctor that you got promoted, and you're under a lot of pressure, you broke up with someone, and you need to sleep for maybe a week or so or you'll get fired ... be creative, but don't overplay it.

And keep us informed. Great job so far!

[theformula]

every time you take even just one you are prolonging the misery! narcotics are scheduled arcoding to there potential for abuse etc.. hydro is a schedule 3, oxycodone like percocet, oxycontin etc.. are a 2, the lower the number the more potential for abuse, cocaine, heroin, meth, are schedule 1 meaning they have no medical or therapeutic properties, atleast not according to FDA, DEA. personally i didnt have very strong withdraw from hydro, which is what i started on but that was just ME. i didnt even really know what withdraw was until i started snorting oxy. the main, major withdraw for me came when i started injecting oxy and then heroin but again that is just me. i know you are going through hell, and the hot and cold sweats are a pain and some of the worst part of it for me. i also got really bad panic attacks for a day or so after about 24 hours. the end is close though and what you are feeling is real and nobody should discredit your pain and agony. if this is the first time you have ever withdrawn please stop with the one here and there. for starters it will turn into 2 or 3 and second you are prolonging your healing time. pretend you have the flu to those you dont want to know and try to lay around and rest as much as possible. drink as much water or gatorade as you can and dose up on the vitamins. get some tylenol pm, i know for most addicts otc sleep meds are a joke but it may help. try to stay away from any benzo's if you can, i know some recomend them but you dont need to open another can of worms with those, whose withdraws can be deadly. just a final note i worked as a pharmacy tech and all the level 3's were out on the shelf, vics, lortab, valium, xanax, ativan, codeine, etc, the good stuff was all locked up and a majorly thorough log was kept on them by the pharmacist only. we were not even allowed to touch them. i could go in the computer and change the count on the schedule 3's if i needed to borrow some but there was no way getting to the 2's. good luck and just do your best. its hard, and dont beat yourself up it it takes more than 1 try. be thankful for your woman, if it wasnt for my girl i would be in a gutter more than likely. when i was single, i ran the streets day and night, it was an everyday hustle in an everyday struggle. keep her around, tell on yourself to her if u feel like using. i know you have pain, so do i. you cant use it as an excuse to stay on the pills. we have proven to ourselves by now that we can not control ourselves with them. i just live with it. it ***** *** but i go to the chiropractor, stretch, eat healthy and just take ibuprofen if i really need to. it doesnt help much but im sick of pumping my body full of meds that dont work. if heroin didnt take away the pain, percs or oxy sure as hell aint so try to find alternative means of pain management. you may have to retrain. i was in health care but i no longer am able to run the floors of the hospital or stand 10 hours in a pharmacy. im considering social work or something less stressful on my body. there are retraining programs and all sorts of ways to find money for school if you look hard enough. best of luck.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

I am really surprised that no one else has advised you to stop taking the single dose of hydrocodone for a couple days.  That one little pill will make your withdrawals last quite a bit longer. You are just teasing yourself with that one. You will be in better shape if you skip the dose and finish the withdrawals up.

[tasha0104]

hey there sorry to hear about all this. five days ago i decided to quit using oxycodone, the first day was hell and has just eased up a little bit, but you can do it..my husband use to eat the h$$# out of pain pills and then we both starting doing oxy's. he said it was harder coming of of eating little ones than it is snorting big ones. you can do it though.

[eminem32169]

good luck to you to kevin, I will get through this and there will not be a next time, i'm not going to go through this again, and i hope you do the same.. my gf is by my side which helps me so much its not funny, she'll do anything to make me more comfortable... but really nothing seems to help, but in time it will..... i just cant believe from 20 a day to 0 for almost 3 days is awesome i just need 1 every 12 hrs to get through for now and no more than that, it does help alot with the withdraws... good luck to you and wish you the best

[Kevin_Bacon]

Sorry for generalizing there ... the thread kinda started off-topic there, but then it picked up a lot. Your post was quite positive.

Sorry for the mistake. I'm a little jumpy, ya see ...

[Kevin_Bacon]

I hope you got this far -- I'd have to say the physical part is close to behind you now.

I'm down to 80mg a day, and it's very unpleasant, but I have to make it to Friday, what with all this silly work stuff. The only bright (well, not really gloomy) part is that, for me, it's about 1/3 of what it was last time, but it's been going for five months, so that might cancel it out ...

It'd be a great anti-depressant in the short term, but it's never in the short term, is it? If I feel okay for a couple of hours a day, then that's a red-letter day.

Don't you just love that sinking feeling, when you know you've fallen in again? I was chipping for quite a while and getting away with it, but my circumstances have changed, and everything seems to, well, suck.

Good luck, eminem, and keep us informed, even if you fall back in ... nothing to be ashamed of, and it was a good practice-run if you couldn't stand it anymore. If you're hanging on, please post too.

[dominosarah]

I thought i did encourage him........

[Kevin_Bacon]

Boy, for someone who's going through hell, he's not getting much support here -- everyone debating if oxy's are the worst and so on ... c'mon -- it's a really nasty w/d, and you should be encouraging him, not arguing about relative opioid strength.

Jeez ...

[dominosarah]

Yes it is hard to do but you can do this!!!!!  Many of us found our pain lessened after we cleaned up too.......hopefully that will be your case too.   Stay strong!!!        sara

[eminem32169]

exactly!!!! i know why i need to quit them, its just how hard it is to do!!! thanks eagle

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

I cant disagree that 1 is a lot better than 20!  Be very careful with the higher numbers of pills like that  - - too easy to take too much acetaminophen when doing it that way. You are only supposed to take 4000mg of acetaminophen daily.....you risk liver damage when you get beyond that dose.

[eminem32169]

in my opinion they are worse than vic addiction, maybe there not don't know, i know oxi's there pretty much the same as percs, but i was letting that kid know he's gone as far as he should go, and should just quit, I just came here to write my story and maybe get some comments... but for few years ive been on vics, and didnt have w/d when i took percs so considered them about the same.... but percs seem a little stronger so thats prob why... but once i had that vic this morning that the gf gave me to just be able to calm down a little bit because she knows what i have been through such as getting emotional hot and cold, and just wanting to die, I did feel a lot better and like I said 1 is so much better than 20.... and i just need it controlled and hopefully just get off of them completely and deal with my pain

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

Well - there isnt any hydro in a perc......but there is a post in the Health Pages that does a comprehensive poll on the narcs that have the worst withdrawal. Most posters indicate that the things with the longer serum half life are the hardest to withdraw from. That would be methadone and sub.....followed by the extended release formularies.....oxycontin and the whole list.....morphine CR - that type of narcotic.  You have the idea with the analogy of 1 oxy being replaced by 5 vicodin. Hydrocodone is simply a weaker formulary than the oxycodone. Oxycontin pertains to the method of time release dosing of oxycodone.   Codeine would be weaker yet even. But the absolutely worst withdrawal is the one that you are currently going through.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

Curious here em.....in the next post you mention that you feel that oxy's are the worst....what would it be that oxy's are worse than?

[goldenarm]

So if Codone isnt the worst can you help to break that down? Does that mean that Hydrocodone in a Vicodin isnt the same as in a Perc? Or that oxocodone and the oxocodone in a Perc 5 mg Vs a oxocodone in a 5 mg just plain  pill are different other than one has apap and the other doesnt? TO make it a little more simple , is a  7.5 es Vicodan more powefull than a 5 / 325 perc?   Arent all codones in the same family and just an opiate or? I read your posts all the time and you are obviously well researched and expericend .And if the stregnth are  not the same is that why people that eat 1 oxycontin will eat 5 Vicodan to achieve the same type feel good cause one is weaker than the other but if you eat more same result? How does all that work?

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

No kidding em.....there is a comparison chart in the health pages that lists the various narcotics. Did you have a real question? If you dont I would suggest reading the information in the health pages.....its probably the most comprehensive read that you will find. Or post for support and to ask questions...........

[eminem32169]

g thanks for being an ******* i was addicted to cocaine and its not as bad as this

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

And codone isnt even the worst thing to withdraw form........