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Post detox recovery
I just went thru anesthesia assisted rapid opiate detox and AM MISERABLE!!!!!!! IS THIS NORMAL???
How long before you felt normal after Waismann? I agree that is the way to go. Those quacks that charge 10k or less will zap you and kick you to the curb. Waismann with the 5-7 day stay at Domas after was easier. I am at 17 days after the procedure. Leg pain decreasing, memory not sharp though. Guess its my brain rebooting. Would love more details.
Kurt
Kurt
Rene. I just did the Waissman Method. I have also gone through it myself 1 1/2 years ago.
For me personally, it was not easy, but much more gentle than doing it alone with a doctor helping me taper off and crippled to my bed for 3 weeks of pure agony. I believe it is a more gentle and supportive method. Yes expensive, but I believe it was worth it. Everyone of course has their own journey.
It is still very hard. The work begins and never stops. I am still in constant flux and having people you trust around you is very important. I am happy to call you if you want to talk.
For me personally, it was not easy, but much more gentle than doing it alone with a doctor helping me taper off and crippled to my bed for 3 weeks of pure agony. I believe it is a more gentle and supportive method. Yes expensive, but I believe it was worth it. Everyone of course has their own journey.
It is still very hard. The work begins and never stops. I am still in constant flux and having people you trust around you is very important. I am happy to call you if you want to talk.
I am with ballgame.The fact that w/d is uncomfortable is the very reason why there will always be someone trying to capitalize on it financially.The only good news I have heard about this procedure is from a doctor who comes onto this forum.And guess what? She is the doc that runs and probably owns the rapid detox clinic.
Also there have been people that have done this. They weren't successful. The hard part is that's there's no quick easy solution to getting off meds. It's take hard work and time. Wish you luck and hope it works for him.
Has he tried other options like tapering down? Don't think insurance covers the rapid detox.
Has he tried other options like tapering down? Don't think insurance covers the rapid detox.
I doubt they will read this. Better sending a PM and I would recommend taking your phone number off.
How are you doing 3 years after the Weismann method? My son is wanting to do this in California but I am not too sure about the success of it. I would really like to hear how you are doing now. Please call me if you have time to talk. Thank you.
Rene'
281-300-9930
Rene'
281-300-9930
I am sure many of us felt better on the pills...but if we had a problem with the pills...we are much better off and with time we feel better than we did on pills...just give it some time for ur brain to heal...staying on pills for life to feel good is not an option for most...so u r clean and keep moving forward..i was surprised as well after quitting that there was so much work to do beyond the physical wds..alot of work..but support is helpful and staying strong..u r lucky u found the forum
I was lucky enough to have a decent doctor when i quit. He started me on Cymbalta (an anti-depressant) a couple of months before i was going to quit. I never felt anything strange while taking it, but i did notice that if i forgot to any day that i was really angry for no reason. ????
Anyway i stayed on it for a couple months after quitting and slowly weaned off it with no problems at all. There is no way to tell if this helped me or not, but i did not experience any depression after quitting.
As far as the 'bad year' you are having - it is a good thing to have many things different in your life when you quit. It makes it easier to learn how to do all the daily things without drugs now. The pills were an all around habit as we were funtioning addicts. Learning a new job and new people without the drugs doesn't leave like a void. It just makes everything new.
I moved, quit a job, left a relationship and started a whole new life. I contribute these things to my success in quitting and staying off. I have had no cravings or struggles what-so-ever and am 10 months now.
I am in no way trying to tell you what to do, just sharing what helped me.
Anyway i stayed on it for a couple months after quitting and slowly weaned off it with no problems at all. There is no way to tell if this helped me or not, but i did not experience any depression after quitting.
As far as the 'bad year' you are having - it is a good thing to have many things different in your life when you quit. It makes it easier to learn how to do all the daily things without drugs now. The pills were an all around habit as we were funtioning addicts. Learning a new job and new people without the drugs doesn't leave like a void. It just makes everything new.
I moved, quit a job, left a relationship and started a whole new life. I contribute these things to my success in quitting and staying off. I have had no cravings or struggles what-so-ever and am 10 months now.
I am in no way trying to tell you what to do, just sharing what helped me.
EVERYONE OF YOU ARE MY NEW ANGELS AND I THANK GOD FOR SENDING ME TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never been involved in a forum like this and I so appreciate everyone's honesty!!!!!!!!!
I have never been involved in a forum like this and I so appreciate everyone's honesty!!!!!!!!!
i have yet to see any benefits from the rapid detox....i totally agree w/ you!!!........i was MUCH happier and felt so much better when i was on the pills......
i did not know that.......THANK YOU FOR THE INFO.....i am going to see my reg. dr. today and will let him know whats going on.....
it just seems one thing after another keeps happening and i have wished and prayed that i could have gone w/ my dad when he passed on july 4th....I MISS HIM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH......he was ONLY 67.......he made it possible for me to be able to pay for this....at the same time im COMPLETELY miserable........how does that make ANY sense???? after i went thru this i lost my job...........this year has been a TOTAL nightmare.......
it just seems one thing after another keeps happening and i have wished and prayed that i could have gone w/ my dad when he passed on july 4th....I MISS HIM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH......he was ONLY 67.......he made it possible for me to be able to pay for this....at the same time im COMPLETELY miserable........how does that make ANY sense???? after i went thru this i lost my job...........this year has been a TOTAL nightmare.......
I disagree in theory that any rapid detox could prevent PAWS or craving later on...the fact is we have built extra receptors to hold all the endorphin we were pouring into our brain on pills...those receptors are still there and will crave for a while until they go into remission/go to slee as the body does not use them..when we stop using drugs and the brain has time to heal..the receptors will shut down slowly pver time....in 3 months significantly tho...sorry...i just dont c any long term benefit to rapid detox
Just wanted to let you know I can relate. If you ever want to talk, you know where to find me. Thank you for your message!!!! It will be 2 weeks tomorrow that I went thru the rapid detox and i am still INCREDIBLY MISERABLE!!!!!! Had i known before doing it that i would feel this bad, i would have NEVER done it.......but the pills would have killed me and my husband/family wasn't standing for that....I was admitted in to the hospital 2 weeks ago today, observed, medicated for the night and they took me in around 6am Friday morning....they gave me versed and another white milky substance and the last thing i remember was them putting the mask on my face.......from what they tell me, they put a breathing tube down my throat and another down the other side of my throat...then they put me thru 4 cycles of whatever it was that they use to draw all of the opiates out....(the opiates are absorbed in your GI tract) i went to recovery where they continued to give me versed and valium and i woke up around 3:15 friday afternoon and was extremely uncomfortable......saturday morning was the WORST i felt like i had been run over by a truck and then beat in the gut w/ a baseball bat.....couldn't move......couldn't eat.....didn't eat until about a week later and can only manage 1 meal a day still.....diarrea REALLY bad - sorry to be so gross - no energy still, very lethargic, depressed, angry and anxious still......am going to see my reg. doctor today to see if there is something he can do.....the cycles also washed out all the anti-depressant i was taking so had to start over from scratch....have NEVER been more angry than going thru this.......does this help?? if you need any more info, please feel free.......
Sounds like you went through all the withdrawals, despite what they did for you. I went Cold Turkey from hydrocodone a few times. After 20 days, I would be at a good 95% Normal.
I feel for u...when i knew little about the addiction process..i had looked at that as well...now i see how it could do little to help in the long run...as the long run is the tough part..the fatige and depression that lingers after physical wds are over....10K...but u r clean..i would do my derndest to stay that way so the money would have been well spent since it is done...keep posting..support and a positive attitude is the key...get ur brain healthy and, exercise, follow the amino protocol and give it some time...i used to believe in miracles but the older i get the less i believe...most things worth having take alot of hard work...keep posting
From what I've read about rapid detox, they put you under and completely clean out your opiod receptors. The problem is, I think they clean out the things that are SUPPOSED to be there too, the things that cause all of your natural good feelings. I truly believe that the only thing that will cure addiction has to do with whatever will fix these receptors. Amino acids that promote the production of our natural endorphines are probably the only answer to feeling better the fastest. Scientists should start working on a cure for fixing our receptors, instead of these rediculous, dangerous methods.
the hospital and research on the internet stated that going cold turkey could cause seizures and/or lead to coma.......so i was taking them to get high and to not get sick at that point........i wasn't strong enough to do it on my own....and still don't think i am to do it the way i did either........
thanks for the info on the aminos......i tried the tappering off and it just got worse.....and can't go back now.......
and as far as eating goes........wasn't able to eat ANYTHING until about a week later........am slowly getting back in to eating one meal, if possible, a day......the pills gave me an appetite as well as energy to live....i have NO appetite or energy
and as far as eating goes........wasn't able to eat ANYTHING until about a week later........am slowly getting back in to eating one meal, if possible, a day......the pills gave me an appetite as well as energy to live....i have NO appetite or energy
Im sorry you had such a bad experience and you are feeling so crappy. What exactly do they do with this rapid detox thing??
Refer to post just a bit above by HenryS - on Waismann rapid detox --------------
I have been reading posts here for about a couple years now. I am in no way a doctor but i have noticed some patterns.
When people quit cold turkey- the withdrawl is of course sheer hell and it seems that the recovery takes much, much longer to actually feel normal again.
When people quit slowly (as the drug manufacturer recommends and i did) the withdrawl is much milder but yes the physical withdrawl is drawn out longer. But the recovery of your brain and digestive system and having normal energy is quicker and smoother. probably because you are not shocking the body so badly.
It may be that the rapid detox is even harsher than a normal cold-turkey quit. it sounds like you are at like a 4th or 5th day cold turkey quit. it usually is not that bad still at 2 weeks.
If i were you, i'd start those aminos right away. all i took was the l-glutamine, l-methionine, and l-theanie. and lots of protein in diet.
you may be too far along now to do a slow tapper with hydros. it may just set you back. there is really no way to know.
are you able to eat alright?
When people quit cold turkey- the withdrawl is of course sheer hell and it seems that the recovery takes much, much longer to actually feel normal again.
When people quit slowly (as the drug manufacturer recommends and i did) the withdrawl is much milder but yes the physical withdrawl is drawn out longer. But the recovery of your brain and digestive system and having normal energy is quicker and smoother. probably because you are not shocking the body so badly.
It may be that the rapid detox is even harsher than a normal cold-turkey quit. it sounds like you are at like a 4th or 5th day cold turkey quit. it usually is not that bad still at 2 weeks.
If i were you, i'd start those aminos right away. all i took was the l-glutamine, l-methionine, and l-theanie. and lots of protein in diet.
you may be too far along now to do a slow tapper with hydros. it may just set you back. there is really no way to know.
are you able to eat alright?
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