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Question About Overdose?
I've been taking Suboxone for about a month and a half now. I'm prescribed two 2mg tabs, twice daily. Sometimes I've taken up to 12mg. Here's my question. I've done this before....that is taken much more than supposed to and I've been fine...that is up until yesterday. I don't know it was this that did it but I'm scared and now this definitaly will make me take it as prescribed!
As I said I took 12mg the other day. The last dose I took, which was 8mg was around 12AM. I started having trouble breathing around 3AM and my pulse slowed. I tried sleeping but everytime I tried to sleep, it's like my body wouldn't let me sleep because it's like I stop breathing or something, and then I take a big breath and instantly awake. OK, this happened yesterday. I was also taking Seroquel....200 to 300mg a night for sleeping. So I thought it was the Seroquel doing this because 3 hours had gone by from taking the Suboxone. The thing is, my breathing problems slowly got worse instead of better and didn't start to subside until around 8:30AM.
So I took 8mg I believe last night. The last time I took a dose of Sub was after 1AM. Before that I took a dose at 11PM. So around 12AM I started having just a little tightness in my chest...nothing major. So when I tried to go to sleep around 3:30AM, I started having trouble breathing again and as of right now it's 6:29AM and I haven't slept yet, but I'm so tired, but I have anxiety right now because of the slowed breathing and lowered pulse. So far it's not as bad as yesterday but bad enough that I can't sleep. It's much worse when I lay down but even when I sit up and try to sleep, I still can't.
I just want to know if it's the Suboxone doing this?? I just don't understand if it is because the breathing problems happens hours after I take it!?! I would think it would do this immediately. Can someone PLEASE tell me if it's the Sub doing this or not. If its' not then I don't know what it could be. Please respond to this message as I'm very scared right now. Seeing how it's not Seroquel (since I didn't take any last night) the only thing I can think of is it's the Sub. As I said before, I won't be doing this again! I'm scared straight, but I just need to know as it would greatly ease my mind!
As I said I took 12mg the other day. The last dose I took, which was 8mg was around 12AM. I started having trouble breathing around 3AM and my pulse slowed. I tried sleeping but everytime I tried to sleep, it's like my body wouldn't let me sleep because it's like I stop breathing or something, and then I take a big breath and instantly awake. OK, this happened yesterday. I was also taking Seroquel....200 to 300mg a night for sleeping. So I thought it was the Seroquel doing this because 3 hours had gone by from taking the Suboxone. The thing is, my breathing problems slowly got worse instead of better and didn't start to subside until around 8:30AM.
So I took 8mg I believe last night. The last time I took a dose of Sub was after 1AM. Before that I took a dose at 11PM. So around 12AM I started having just a little tightness in my chest...nothing major. So when I tried to go to sleep around 3:30AM, I started having trouble breathing again and as of right now it's 6:29AM and I haven't slept yet, but I'm so tired, but I have anxiety right now because of the slowed breathing and lowered pulse. So far it's not as bad as yesterday but bad enough that I can't sleep. It's much worse when I lay down but even when I sit up and try to sleep, I still can't.
I just want to know if it's the Suboxone doing this?? I just don't understand if it is because the breathing problems happens hours after I take it!?! I would think it would do this immediately. Can someone PLEASE tell me if it's the Sub doing this or not. If its' not then I don't know what it could be. Please respond to this message as I'm very scared right now. Seeing how it's not Seroquel (since I didn't take any last night) the only thing I can think of is it's the Sub. As I said before, I won't be doing this again! I'm scared straight, but I just need to know as it would greatly ease my mind!
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Hello,
Please start taking your medication the right way if not you're going to kill yourself. Please just do it the right way it's not bad at all doing it the right way.
Just concerned.
Please start taking your medication the right way if not you're going to kill yourself. Please just do it the right way it's not bad at all doing it the right way.
Just concerned.
I take 3, 200mg pills each night. Its suppose to put me to sleep and it usually does by now. Now its harder to breathe at night. Its scary because you feel like your getting suffucated and nobodys there. Am I just paranoid. This is
my first few months with the drug and my doctor recently changed me from one pill 100mg in the am and two pills 100mg at bedtime to three 200mg, 600mg total a day. Strange and super nerve recking prescribed uses to me. I meet with a new pyschiatrist in a week since Im discharged from the partial hospital program.
my first few months with the drug and my doctor recently changed me from one pill 100mg in the am and two pills 100mg at bedtime to three 200mg, 600mg total a day. Strange and super nerve recking prescribed uses to me. I meet with a new pyschiatrist in a week since Im discharged from the partial hospital program.
That's not going to happen. I'm starting the Sub again as prescribed and stopping the Vicodin. Feeling like that isn't anything I'd care to feel again in my life! I'm starting to feel better....noticeably better. I still feel a little weak but better. I've been taking Vicodin/Norco rather the last few days. I'm gonna try the prescribed amount of Sub and see what happens.
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I would be more afraid of what will happen if you continue using like you are.
Thanks Debbie, I think I'm gonna go off the Vicodin completely. It doesn't do me any good now anyway. If I find the Suboxone is causing this, I'll go off of it too. When the cons outweigh the pros, then there is no reason to go on with it!
Unfortunately as far as the blurred vision is concerned, that is one thing I'm sure of the Sub isn't doing. I had blurred vision about 10 months before I ever took Sub in the first place and it was blurred before I went back on the Vicodin. One of the major benefits that the Sub did, other than make me feel better is it improved my vision allot! It was still a little blurry, but very livable, so much so that I didn't feel that I needed to seek help to continue to figure out what was wrong with my vision.
I'm taking Vics right now because I went through too much Sub. I have 3 left and I'll start back on them on Monday (as directed). The last couple days I did take the Sub before I ran too low, I did take them correctly, but again if things get worse or they don't continue to get better, I'll discontinue them. Please pray that I will have the strength to do this.
I really am taking the Sub to feel normal...not 'normal' as one does when taking Vicodin....that need to take some to feel normal. The first couple weeks the Sub did make me feel a little high, but now it doesn't. That's just fine with me. Of course I like the high that the Vicodin used to give...I mean we all like that feeling, but I do just fine with just feeling normal while taking the Sub.....I mean if I could feel normal without taking it I'd do that.....I have felt that way before as I said earlier, but it did not last. Still, I can't continue to feel the way I've been feeling either, so if things don't get better I'll have to stop the Sub too. Honestly, I'd rather not take it anymore but I'm afraid I'll feel bad if I stop.
Unfortunately as far as the blurred vision is concerned, that is one thing I'm sure of the Sub isn't doing. I had blurred vision about 10 months before I ever took Sub in the first place and it was blurred before I went back on the Vicodin. One of the major benefits that the Sub did, other than make me feel better is it improved my vision allot! It was still a little blurry, but very livable, so much so that I didn't feel that I needed to seek help to continue to figure out what was wrong with my vision.
I'm taking Vics right now because I went through too much Sub. I have 3 left and I'll start back on them on Monday (as directed). The last couple days I did take the Sub before I ran too low, I did take them correctly, but again if things get worse or they don't continue to get better, I'll discontinue them. Please pray that I will have the strength to do this.
I really am taking the Sub to feel normal...not 'normal' as one does when taking Vicodin....that need to take some to feel normal. The first couple weeks the Sub did make me feel a little high, but now it doesn't. That's just fine with me. Of course I like the high that the Vicodin used to give...I mean we all like that feeling, but I do just fine with just feeling normal while taking the Sub.....I mean if I could feel normal without taking it I'd do that.....I have felt that way before as I said earlier, but it did not last. Still, I can't continue to feel the way I've been feeling either, so if things don't get better I'll have to stop the Sub too. Honestly, I'd rather not take it anymore but I'm afraid I'll feel bad if I stop.
Hi, thanks for your concern. I was actually taking the Suboxone for depression. I've taken so many antidepressants and mood stabilizers than I can count and they never did anything. When I went off Vics two years ago, I was taking Welbutrin and Lamictal. I felt great after going off them. I stayed this way for about 6 months and then I slowly started feeling bad again. I didn't start taking Vicodin again until about July or August of last year for kidney stones. Immediately it felt like I had some heart problems and I asked the doctor about it, a cardiologist and he said no, so I'm thinking he must be right. Anyway I had what seemed to be heart problems for about 2 months. It started with one night having trouble breathing, much like I have had the past few night except it felt like my heart was going to stop. Anyway I stopped the Vicodin in January and did some research about Suboxone and how in '95 there was a study for it with depression and how it helped some people and I learned about something called Endorphin Deficiency Syndrome. This is where conventional antidepressants don't help people but opiates do. I looked into Suboxone and thought I'd try it. When I started the Sub, I was almost completely OK from being off Vics. I only had a little craving, but not too bad at all.
So I've been switching between Sub and Vics. I have 5 kidney stones and I've gotten my doctor to keep giving me Vics. I really do have the stones, but they aren't hurting me. Anyway, I take some Vics and use them up and then use the Sub and I'd also take much more Sub on some days than others and it's been fine up until a few days ago. When I started feeling bad, I had trouble breathing and I had what it felt like a pressure in my chest. Now I've had all sorts of heart testing and initially during a nuclear test, they thought they found something. So they did another test, I forget what it's called but they stick a catheter up into your heart and that test is the gold standard for test and will tell if your heart is OK or not. They said mine was fine. Anyway, that was a few months ago and back to the other day. I noticed my left ankle was swollen and I remember when I was in the ER about that before (last year), they said if it's your heart, to look for swelling in your extremities. Now, maybe my heart isn't damaged, but I know something affected it the other day because my ankle was clearly swollen. It's almost completely back to normal now, but I still have the breathing difficulty, It's 4AM right now and I'm afraid to go to sleep. The past few days it's taken my many many hours to sleep and my body won't let me sleep because it feels like I won't wake up if I do. When I do finally go to sleep, I feel my breathing is better and so on.
Is it possible the Sub and the Vics are causing this. This is the only thing that I think could cause this outside of it being something else and I don't know what. Oh, there's one other thing. About a year ago, my vision started going blurry. I went to numerous Optometrists and a couple Opthomologist and they said my eyes were fine. Here's the thing, my pupils are often dilated, as if I was taking something, but I don't take nor have I ever taken street drugs and I think this is all connected somehow. I wear glasses but it't like their too strong or something. When I started taking the Sub, my eyes, while still blurry, got much better.
Look, I'm just looking for an answer right now. I'll definitely not abuse the Suboxone again and if I know it's hurting my heart, then I'll stop it, but what I don't understand is if it is hurting me, why didn't it to it before when I took allot more than I was prescribed? As of right now, I'm taking Vics....well Norco actually which is the same thing, 7/325, 2 pills 3 times a day. I don't mix it with the Suboxone. That said, I am mixing them in a way when I take the Sub a few days and then go on the Vics. When I get my prescription refilled with the Suboxone, I don't think I'm gonna take the Vics anymore. They don't seem to work anyway and that's almost certainly because of the Suboxone because it has a long half life.
Sorry for the long story, but I'm looking for answers and if I know this stuff is hurting me I'm gonna definitely stop because I'm not feeling very good right now and I barely have an appetite. For the past 2 days or so I've barely eaten one meal a day...I'm just not doing too well. I am feeling better but still a ways off from feeling like I was about 5 days ago.
So I've been switching between Sub and Vics. I have 5 kidney stones and I've gotten my doctor to keep giving me Vics. I really do have the stones, but they aren't hurting me. Anyway, I take some Vics and use them up and then use the Sub and I'd also take much more Sub on some days than others and it's been fine up until a few days ago. When I started feeling bad, I had trouble breathing and I had what it felt like a pressure in my chest. Now I've had all sorts of heart testing and initially during a nuclear test, they thought they found something. So they did another test, I forget what it's called but they stick a catheter up into your heart and that test is the gold standard for test and will tell if your heart is OK or not. They said mine was fine. Anyway, that was a few months ago and back to the other day. I noticed my left ankle was swollen and I remember when I was in the ER about that before (last year), they said if it's your heart, to look for swelling in your extremities. Now, maybe my heart isn't damaged, but I know something affected it the other day because my ankle was clearly swollen. It's almost completely back to normal now, but I still have the breathing difficulty, It's 4AM right now and I'm afraid to go to sleep. The past few days it's taken my many many hours to sleep and my body won't let me sleep because it feels like I won't wake up if I do. When I do finally go to sleep, I feel my breathing is better and so on.
Is it possible the Sub and the Vics are causing this. This is the only thing that I think could cause this outside of it being something else and I don't know what. Oh, there's one other thing. About a year ago, my vision started going blurry. I went to numerous Optometrists and a couple Opthomologist and they said my eyes were fine. Here's the thing, my pupils are often dilated, as if I was taking something, but I don't take nor have I ever taken street drugs and I think this is all connected somehow. I wear glasses but it't like their too strong or something. When I started taking the Sub, my eyes, while still blurry, got much better.
Look, I'm just looking for an answer right now. I'll definitely not abuse the Suboxone again and if I know it's hurting my heart, then I'll stop it, but what I don't understand is if it is hurting me, why didn't it to it before when I took allot more than I was prescribed? As of right now, I'm taking Vics....well Norco actually which is the same thing, 7/325, 2 pills 3 times a day. I don't mix it with the Suboxone. That said, I am mixing them in a way when I take the Sub a few days and then go on the Vics. When I get my prescription refilled with the Suboxone, I don't think I'm gonna take the Vics anymore. They don't seem to work anyway and that's almost certainly because of the Suboxone because it has a long half life.
Sorry for the long story, but I'm looking for answers and if I know this stuff is hurting me I'm gonna definitely stop because I'm not feeling very good right now and I barely have an appetite. For the past 2 days or so I've barely eaten one meal a day...I'm just not doing too well. I am feeling better but still a ways off from feeling like I was about 5 days ago.
good morning glad to hear you are ok. i was reading some of your old posts.as i see it you w/d from vicodin over 2 years ago. is that when you started the subs? de you go to support groups, have a counselor. have you considered or tried to stop the suboxone? my hope and prayer for you is that you would have peace and freedom from your past demons.
do you exercise regularly. try to at least eat some crackers or dried cereal and drink fluids. feel better and stay safe.
blessings to you
debbie
do you exercise regularly. try to at least eat some crackers or dried cereal and drink fluids. feel better and stay safe.
blessings to you
debbie
Thanks for the responses. I'm still feeling bad but better than I did. I ended up taking 2 Sub pills today (what I'm prescribed) only because of the w/d's I was having was pretty bad. Even taking only 2, I still had w/d's. I couldn't call my doctor because he's only in on Tuesdays and I didn't go to the ER because...well I've been there like 4 or 5 times in the last 6 months and they never find anything! I did talk to a surgeon though who's a friend of mine. He does think it's the Sub too. If I have to I'll completely stop it, but I assure you, I'll never abuse the stuff again! When I did take more than prescribed, it help only slightly. It's not worth feeling like this again!
I feel like crap right now but half of that is because of w/d's and the other half is still the breathing....but again it's better. If I feel like I did the other night, I will go to the ER. As bad as last night was, the other night was worse! I'm hoping I'll continue to get better.
So if Sub is hard to O/D on, then what happened to me? I took that much before and nothing happened. Like I said, I'll never do that again! I feel nauseous right now but that's partly from barely eating anything and again, it's the w/d's I think.
I feel like crap right now but half of that is because of w/d's and the other half is still the breathing....but again it's better. If I feel like I did the other night, I will go to the ER. As bad as last night was, the other night was worse! I'm hoping I'll continue to get better.
So if Sub is hard to O/D on, then what happened to me? I took that much before and nothing happened. Like I said, I'll never do that again! I feel nauseous right now but that's partly from barely eating anything and again, it's the w/d's I think.
agree....sub is spodely next to impossible to OD on...but next time u need to call ur dr...and btw//I hope u r ok
sounds as if u r abusing ur sub...many do,,,becomes a new DOC for many
be safe and try hard to always move forward...tis a sad world for many...losing homes..lots of my friends are///yet they say things r better now? It doesnt feel "better" for many..it is Projected in the next few weeks that food will increase by 33%
A world without reason, yet an addict must find it...within themselves, and those around them...aftercare is the key...values are sparce and it takes alot to get clean and stay clean...make a plan and stick to it...nothing else can be a priority until u r clean and can deal with things on a clean basis
good luck to u...and keep posting
sounds as if u r abusing ur sub...many do,,,becomes a new DOC for many
be safe and try hard to always move forward...tis a sad world for many...losing homes..lots of my friends are///yet they say things r better now? It doesnt feel "better" for many..it is Projected in the next few weeks that food will increase by 33%
A world without reason, yet an addict must find it...within themselves, and those around them...aftercare is the key...values are sparce and it takes alot to get clean and stay clean...make a plan and stick to it...nothing else can be a priority until u r clean and can deal with things on a clean basis
good luck to u...and keep posting
I am just now reading your post and it appears you posted it 13 hours ago. Hopefully, you've already gotten to the doctor - please post back and let us know how you are.
We can't tell you anything over the internet! Call a doctor and get yourself checked. It's serious what you did!
hey how are you feeling now? the symptoms you describe slow pulse and trouble breathing are definitely signs of overdose. if the symtoms continue you should go to the er. make sure you take as prescribed. overdosing of subox can cause coma and death. be careful. you should stay awake now.
be safe, blessings to you
debbie
be safe, blessings to you
debbie
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SIDE EFFECTS
Because clinical trials are conducted under widely varying conditions, adverse reaction rates observed in the clinical trials of a drug cannot be directly compared to rates in the clinical trials of another drug and may not reflect the rates observed in practice.
Adverse Events in Clinical Trials - SUBOXONE sublingual film
The safety of SUBOXONE sublingual film is supported by clinical trials using SUBUTEX (buprenorphine) sublingual tablets and SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone) sublingual tablets, and other trials using buprenorphine sublingual solutions, as well as an open-label study in 194 patients treated with SUBOXONE sublingual film. In total, safety data from clinical studies are available from over 3000 opioid-dependent subjects exposed to buprenorphine at doses in the range used in the treatment of opioid dependence. Few differences in the adverse event profile were noted among SUBOXONE sublingual film, SUBOXONE (buprenorphine and naloxone) sublingual tablets, SUBUTEX (buprenorphine) sublingual tablets and a buprenorphine ethanolic sublingual solution.
The most common adverse event ( > 1%) associated with the sublingual administration of the SUBOXONE sublingual film was oral hypoesthesia. Other adverse events were constipation, glossodynia, oral mucosal erythema, vomiting, intoxication, disturbance in attention, palpitations, insomnia, withdrawal syndrome, hyperhidrosis, and blurred vision
the difficulty breathing is listed as serious side effect of suboxone on www.ehow.com.
Serious Side Effects
Drugs.com reports that the use of Suboxone may cause the following serious side effects: anxiety, difficulty breathing, yellowing of the skin or eyes, frequent stomach pain, mood changes, dark urine and pale stools. Users may also experience severe allergic reaction recognized by swelling of the face or throat and severe skin irritation. Seek immediate medical attention if any of these serious side effects occur
Read more: The Side Effects of Suboxone | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5382472_side-effects-suboxone.html#ixzz1J24dhADd
please be careful. i would recommend you go back to the doctor who prescribed them and definitely tell him about these side effects.
i hope and pray you feel better soon.
blessings to you,
debbie