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Rembering we are not doctors
Not trying to be disrespectful in any way but I think we need to remember that we are addicts with experiences and can give advise based on those but we are not alcohol or drug rehab doctors. I may be guilty of giving out more than advise as well but it is not for us to tell someone not to go to a doctor or not to worry and they will be fine. Things happen and we all react differently to WD from any kind of substance. Maybe Opiates are another story. Just a worry but I want everyone to know that I more than appreciate this forum and the help and support I have gotten. Hope no one takes this the wrong way, I am just learning to speak my mind and feel this forum is a safe place to do that. :)
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lesa/bmdad - that is hysterical.. I would have loved to wish withdrawal on a few intolerant and unsupportive people myself in the past... only for a few hours..I would never wish a weeks worth of detox on anyone.. lol... Like the last time I heard.. "Come on, it can't be that bad" "get over it already" -- oh yeah POOF how do you like that! LOL.. Just a fun thought.
I like your idea about a way they could stimulate addiction Lesa. I think the whole world would look at addiction differently if there was a way to do so. Just think of all the posts we have seen of people saying that their spouse is not supportive at all. If there was a way to make them experience withdrawals I'm guessing they would end up being the most supportive person alive!!
I always thought it would be a good idea if they could simulate wd for Dr's so they know we go through, My Dr. whom I adore offered me trams and told me they were non addictive. I educated him that they are. He was surprised.. being our own health advocate is the best thing you can do for yourself.. Your Dr. is only as good as the info you give him.. actually this has turned into a interesting discussion.. as for addicts helping addicts. I would rather have a addict help then not.. Thank Goodness my hubby is not one as he was clueless on what I went through.. Just my input :)
Great post!
I think it can still be a good idea to have a doctor on board to monitor someone with underlying health issues but when it comes to addiction most don't know squat. When I finally fessed up to my doctor my main reason was to cutoff my supply. All he really did was take my blood pressure, prescribed some clonodine and ambien for a month and told me to come back in a month so he could see how I was doing. Most doctors will recommend tapering because it is easier. Goes to show how much they know about addiction. If we could control our usage by tapering would we even have a problem with addiction? Probably not.
The reason I finally got clean was not because I informed my doctor (cutting of my supply did help). Sure, the clonodine helped some. I got clean because of wealth of information I found here on medhelp. I got clean because of all my fellow addicts telling me to flush the pills and start aftercare. I never once got an ounce of motivation from my doctor but got enough from all of you to last a lifetime! I never once heard aftercare mentioned until I came here. I'm sure there are some really great doctors out there that do know what steps to take to help us get and stay clean. But they are far and few between. Most just write out a few more scripts and send us on our way thinking we are now cured.
Maybe in medical school they should spend a year taking vicodin? Do you think it would teach them how to treat addiction?
I think it can still be a good idea to have a doctor on board to monitor someone with underlying health issues but when it comes to addiction most don't know squat. When I finally fessed up to my doctor my main reason was to cutoff my supply. All he really did was take my blood pressure, prescribed some clonodine and ambien for a month and told me to come back in a month so he could see how I was doing. Most doctors will recommend tapering because it is easier. Goes to show how much they know about addiction. If we could control our usage by tapering would we even have a problem with addiction? Probably not.
The reason I finally got clean was not because I informed my doctor (cutting of my supply did help). Sure, the clonodine helped some. I got clean because of wealth of information I found here on medhelp. I got clean because of all my fellow addicts telling me to flush the pills and start aftercare. I never once got an ounce of motivation from my doctor but got enough from all of you to last a lifetime! I never once heard aftercare mentioned until I came here. I'm sure there are some really great doctors out there that do know what steps to take to help us get and stay clean. But they are far and few between. Most just write out a few more scripts and send us on our way thinking we are now cured.
Maybe in medical school they should spend a year taking vicodin? Do you think it would teach them how to treat addiction?
I apologize if I sounded like I was attacking anyone.
I just wanted to remind you that addicts are very qualified to help other addicts.
for being selfish people in our acts...
when we walk threw the doors of NA we become the most compassionate people on Earth.
I believe the same can be said when we log on here.
I just wanted to remind you that addicts are very qualified to help other addicts.
for being selfish people in our acts...
when we walk threw the doors of NA we become the most compassionate people on Earth.
I believe the same can be said when we log on here.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Need-help-quitting-suboxone-and-benzos/show/1345686
That is exactly what I am talking about.
NO ONE HERE would of told this person that TRAMS were not addictive.
That is exactly what I am talking about.
NO ONE HERE would of told this person that TRAMS were not addictive.
I am not saying to tell someone what to do.
but anyone who thinks a doctor or whomever who has never taken opiates or been addicted to them..knows more then you..
then your not giving yourself enough credit.
we are not here to break down quantum fluctuations in space.
I had a doctor who was clueless about opiates but sure did give out scripts...now I am not trying to bash this Doctor..but he was a MD and had no idea what WDs were like..all he knew was whatever pamphlet he read or course he took about how addicting they can be.
I never thought a message board for addicts to help addicts..would be ran by a group as if they are in HS and run the school. anyone who thinks someone who has never been an addict is more qualified to help someone because they are a doctor is mistaken.
we are not asked to perform open heart surgery...we are supposed to help people with our experiences get clean....but apparently that is not allowed...
what do you say to a doctor that puts someone here on Benzos to get off Opiates?
what do you say to a doctor that puts someone here on Methadone or Subs to get off of 100mg of perc habit?
what do you say to a doctor who just cuts someone off after 6 months, 1 year, 2 years on pain killers? with no aftercare?
those things happen all of the time? So is that doc right and your wrong?
I am sure there are very good qualified physicians out there...
I highly doubt you want parenting advice from someone who has does not have kids.
I don't understand how you would want a doc who has never had an opiate and has no idea what it is really like to help you get off them the best way they can? How can they possibly know how to do that?
personally I would do all the research you can here on how to get clean...then go to a couple NA meetings ask around how they did it..then decide if you want a doctor to help you.
but anyone who thinks a doctor or whomever who has never taken opiates or been addicted to them..knows more then you..
then your not giving yourself enough credit.
we are not here to break down quantum fluctuations in space.
I had a doctor who was clueless about opiates but sure did give out scripts...now I am not trying to bash this Doctor..but he was a MD and had no idea what WDs were like..all he knew was whatever pamphlet he read or course he took about how addicting they can be.
I never thought a message board for addicts to help addicts..would be ran by a group as if they are in HS and run the school. anyone who thinks someone who has never been an addict is more qualified to help someone because they are a doctor is mistaken.
we are not asked to perform open heart surgery...we are supposed to help people with our experiences get clean....but apparently that is not allowed...
what do you say to a doctor that puts someone here on Benzos to get off Opiates?
what do you say to a doctor that puts someone here on Methadone or Subs to get off of 100mg of perc habit?
what do you say to a doctor who just cuts someone off after 6 months, 1 year, 2 years on pain killers? with no aftercare?
those things happen all of the time? So is that doc right and your wrong?
I am sure there are very good qualified physicians out there...
I highly doubt you want parenting advice from someone who has does not have kids.
I don't understand how you would want a doc who has never had an opiate and has no idea what it is really like to help you get off them the best way they can? How can they possibly know how to do that?
personally I would do all the research you can here on how to get clean...then go to a couple NA meetings ask around how they did it..then decide if you want a doctor to help you.
Maybe this thread should be moved over to the social side? This side of the forum is where everyone comes to ask their questions on how to get clean or just to ask for support. I'd hate to see new members come here and start reading through the posts and think there is too much drama for them to become a member here when there are much more important issue at stake.
I can see a bit of both sides here. It is always best to get a doctor involved. Not only for the health side of it but they can also help by leading you in the right direction towards recovery care such as a therapist, NA, etc. They can also prescribe some meds such as clonodine or a temporary sleep aid to get through the worst of it which in turn will make some more successful. I feel one of the most important reasons to tell your doctor is in order to cut off the supply of narcotics. I never truly quit until I told my doctor because I always knew a visit to my doctor would get me my ticket to the pharmacy. Once I told my doctor about my problem was when my easy supply of legal narcotics was gone preventing a very easy relapse.
But we have to realize that some people will not fess up to their doctor no matter how important it we tell them it is. I didn't have the guts for quite some time to fess up to my doctor. I felt ashamed and embarrassed. I guess deep down I also knew I would be cutting of my supply of pills for good. The only reason I told my doctor was to cut off my supply. It is a proven fact that going cold turkey of opiates will not kill. There are the exceptions such as tramadol or benzos but in almost every post I have seen most let them know it is dangerous to ct off of these. It is underlying health conditions that cause the problems. I don't think we can sit here and tell people that going cold turkey is dangerous. We should warn that if you have an underlying health condition then it can be dangerous. If we sit here and tell everyone going ct can be life threatening there will be many more that die due to pill abuse because many will not try and get clean. There are some that just will not tell their doctor. There are some that do not have a doctor or aren't even able to afford a visit to a doctor. If someone has other health issues, more than likely they already have a doctor overseeing their care. Not always, but chances are they do.
This is just my opinion but I think if we try and scare people away from cold turkey without a doctor's care we will end up causing more harm in the long run. Not everyone will get a doctor on board even if they could. I didn't for years and went ct numerous times never with a problem. Many others have also without problems. Maybe in order to not scare people away from going cold turkey when we answer posts we could also say as long as you have no underlying health conditions it is normally safe to go cold turkey? Just a thought.
This is why I can see a bit of each side. Although I do agree that it is always best to get a doctor on board, it's not always going to happen no matter how much we try and push it. Is it better to say you can't go cold turkey without a doctor overseeing you or continue abusing high doses of narcotics until the narcotics kill them? Most are scared out of their mind anyways. No need to put them in more fear by scaring them away from trying to get clean. If cold turkey killed many of us wouldn't be here trying to help others but it is always in your best interest to get a checkup.
I can see a bit of both sides here. It is always best to get a doctor involved. Not only for the health side of it but they can also help by leading you in the right direction towards recovery care such as a therapist, NA, etc. They can also prescribe some meds such as clonodine or a temporary sleep aid to get through the worst of it which in turn will make some more successful. I feel one of the most important reasons to tell your doctor is in order to cut off the supply of narcotics. I never truly quit until I told my doctor because I always knew a visit to my doctor would get me my ticket to the pharmacy. Once I told my doctor about my problem was when my easy supply of legal narcotics was gone preventing a very easy relapse.
But we have to realize that some people will not fess up to their doctor no matter how important it we tell them it is. I didn't have the guts for quite some time to fess up to my doctor. I felt ashamed and embarrassed. I guess deep down I also knew I would be cutting of my supply of pills for good. The only reason I told my doctor was to cut off my supply. It is a proven fact that going cold turkey of opiates will not kill. There are the exceptions such as tramadol or benzos but in almost every post I have seen most let them know it is dangerous to ct off of these. It is underlying health conditions that cause the problems. I don't think we can sit here and tell people that going cold turkey is dangerous. We should warn that if you have an underlying health condition then it can be dangerous. If we sit here and tell everyone going ct can be life threatening there will be many more that die due to pill abuse because many will not try and get clean. There are some that just will not tell their doctor. There are some that do not have a doctor or aren't even able to afford a visit to a doctor. If someone has other health issues, more than likely they already have a doctor overseeing their care. Not always, but chances are they do.
This is just my opinion but I think if we try and scare people away from cold turkey without a doctor's care we will end up causing more harm in the long run. Not everyone will get a doctor on board even if they could. I didn't for years and went ct numerous times never with a problem. Many others have also without problems. Maybe in order to not scare people away from going cold turkey when we answer posts we could also say as long as you have no underlying health conditions it is normally safe to go cold turkey? Just a thought.
This is why I can see a bit of each side. Although I do agree that it is always best to get a doctor on board, it's not always going to happen no matter how much we try and push it. Is it better to say you can't go cold turkey without a doctor overseeing you or continue abusing high doses of narcotics until the narcotics kill them? Most are scared out of their mind anyways. No need to put them in more fear by scaring them away from trying to get clean. If cold turkey killed many of us wouldn't be here trying to help others but it is always in your best interest to get a checkup.
Hi everyone -
Let's remember that MedHelp is a site where anyone and everyone can get support and information, and that we all need to work together to make sure that it is safe and supportive for all.
If you disagree with something, there are respectful ways to state that. If you have a personal issue with another member, either ignore that member or take it to PM. Fighting about it in a thread is not appropriate.
Everyone on this forum is part of this community, and you all have a great community. Please remember that when posting, and remember that many of you are new to recovery and have heightened emotions. Instead of getting annoyed at what may be a duplicate post, how about just giving someone the benefit of the doubt, and thinking maybe the OP missed the original thread, or was just moved by it and wanted to reinforce it.
And please remember that long after someone forgets what you've said, they will remember how you said it and how it made them feel.
Emily
Let's remember that MedHelp is a site where anyone and everyone can get support and information, and that we all need to work together to make sure that it is safe and supportive for all.
If you disagree with something, there are respectful ways to state that. If you have a personal issue with another member, either ignore that member or take it to PM. Fighting about it in a thread is not appropriate.
Everyone on this forum is part of this community, and you all have a great community. Please remember that when posting, and remember that many of you are new to recovery and have heightened emotions. Instead of getting annoyed at what may be a duplicate post, how about just giving someone the benefit of the doubt, and thinking maybe the OP missed the original thread, or was just moved by it and wanted to reinforce it.
And please remember that long after someone forgets what you've said, they will remember how you said it and how it made them feel.
Emily
Thanks chronic for this post. Amen I am not a Dr. I do not want that responsibility. The best advice to give is just from your own testimony but letting that person know it worked for you but may not work for them. I went to see me Dr for help and I got wonderful support and if something she prescribed to me we talked about it intensely because I knew I did not want to trade one addiction for another and she was a smart and caring doctor. The only pill I take is an advil if need be and I am doing great on day 34! Each person is different with their addiction and only that person really knows what is best for them! God bless!
New thread sounds like the best think,
Congratulations everybody on your clean time -- Well done to each and every one of us.
Denise
Congratulations everybody on your clean time -- Well done to each and every one of us.
Denise
I was perfectly fine until I saw your profile picture...
I'm leaving now for a "makeover"...take a nap...it will be awhile...
You do look a little like "J-Lo"...relative??
;)
I'm leaving now for a "makeover"...take a nap...it will be awhile...
You do look a little like "J-Lo"...relative??
;)
Got cha!! Just a bad dream. I could not sleep last night because I was upset about what happened. Your one of the most important people to me on this forum so felt like crap. But, moving on, we are cool now? How are you Vic? Wait, maybe we should start a new thread? LOL!!!
Hey ! We delete it by never looking at it again !! LOL It's like a bad dream,huh??
You ARE part of this forum !! And anyway, how do you feel today???
You ARE part of this forum !! And anyway, how do you feel today???
Htownnofrown: Yes,you're right. You don't know what promted my response to this poster. Therein lies YOUR ignorance. It's understandable.
I didn't tell anyone to take hydrocodone cough syrup. If you remember,THAT person
was already going to take it and I told her to give the bottle to a friend/family member
after she took her one tsp. She did that and it worked out fine. I couldn't reach through the computer and grab it from her...and her mind was made up.
I could pull apart a few of your posts,as well. But that would be so childish.
Keep that in mind...
I didn't tell anyone to take hydrocodone cough syrup. If you remember,THAT person
was already going to take it and I told her to give the bottle to a friend/family member
after she took her one tsp. She did that and it worked out fine. I couldn't reach through the computer and grab it from her...and her mind was made up.
I could pull apart a few of your posts,as well. But that would be so childish.
Keep that in mind...
Congrats Cronic on your 7 days !! I remember how I felt when I started to regain my confidence in my thoughts.. I'm so pleased for you that Your confidence is coming back :) I think it is a great post.. keep looking forward and do not let others put doubt in your mind ok,, Your Journey is what matters.. lesa
I find it hard to believe that this message http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Please-Read/show/1343966 was recieved as sage wisdom yet chronics post above, which is virtually identical, courted condescension and negativity.
There is definately a clique going on and if you are not a patched member of the medhelp mafia your posts will be subject io vigorous scrutiny and condemnation. The select few are apparently beyond reproach and any criticism of them is treated harshly.
I cant see a whole lot of support for the suffering addict in this thread although there are exceptions which have thankfully gone a long way in restoring my wavering faith in the medhelp recovery process.
Chronic. Congratulations on your weeks sobriety. This is a great achievement and should be celebrated as such. Hang in there with us as im sure you can see from some posters on this thread that there is support available.
All the best. Kind regards Jeremy.
There is definately a clique going on and if you are not a patched member of the medhelp mafia your posts will be subject io vigorous scrutiny and condemnation. The select few are apparently beyond reproach and any criticism of them is treated harshly.
I cant see a whole lot of support for the suffering addict in this thread although there are exceptions which have thankfully gone a long way in restoring my wavering faith in the medhelp recovery process.
Chronic. Congratulations on your weeks sobriety. This is a great achievement and should be celebrated as such. Hang in there with us as im sure you can see from some posters on this thread that there is support available.
All the best. Kind regards Jeremy.
I wish. My wife and daughter going to South Dakota fri. maybe I could sneak on plane and parachute out over Minnesota (spelled it rght that time). One of these days I will. I really appreciate you.. Have a great day.
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Awesome post!! Congrats on 17 days!!
Come to Minnesota, I work tomorrow!!!
Come to Minnesota, I work tomorrow!!!
nuff said. Amen, lets move on. I am about to hit day 17 in 45 minutes. I am feeling great and going fishing in the morning. Going to catch dinner. Might even get another Banana split, wish I could go to Minesota to get one. lol God Bless all.
**Got my guard up and taking care of me, protecting my clean time. Enjoying my new life one minute at a time.
**Got my guard up and taking care of me, protecting my clean time. Enjoying my new life one minute at a time.
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