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Still weaning but have a question

Hi All, so as I said before last week I was taking 5 or 4 , 10 mls of P a day. This week I cut to 3 and no real symptoms except panic of finally doing this and a little runny nose. I really wanted to keep weaning slowly but I don't have that much left. Only 11 pills. A friend gave my 6 , 5 mls of a pill I have never taken before. I googled it and it said it was oxcy minus the acetaminophen.  Do you guys know if that pill has the effect of a normal 5 ml with the acetaminophen? If so, I can use it to slow my taper but I am just worried because I recall taking a pill like that several years ago without the acetaminophen and I felt like I was going to pass out. Is it stronger than normal Percocet with the mix ? Thanks so much. Still hanging tough . Just have to focus on all the other things in my life and not how I effed myself up like this. Oh one more thing. I am an athlete and I metabolize things fast. I am also slim/ but strong. I strangely never really grew a tolerance to the Meds even tho I have been taking them for a while. The same amount for the past year always keeps me same  level. Is that unusual ? Thanks so much and wish me luck. I am so sick and tired of the ****. Tired of texting this person who is supposed to be my friend and gave me these things in the first place. It was a terrible combination of surgery and losing someone I loved dearly that quicked me into this habit . I want to be free thanks so much  
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Yes my bro is in the program. I went to a codependent group for him once with my mom.  I also went to see him when he went to Hazelton rehab in the beginning of his treatment . You would think I would've learned from that although it did terrify me enough not to ever pick up anything through high school and college. Just bad circumstances got me here. Now I have to get out of it. Thanks so much.
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Very smart statement about your body telling you it's time to jump. I see you trying to control this and it's making you more anxious.

I had the exact same backround as you: always a good girl. No drugs, no alcohol, nothing. We can still be addicts before we ever pick anything up.

And yes, most importantly, tell your brothers!!! I assume the one is in the program. Betcha anything they know. Our families always know something is wrong. We think we hide it so well but we don't.
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Ok so bizarre. I felt fine before I took my last dose today then I took it and started feeling shaky and sweaty. Maybe it's time to jump. Seems like my body doesn't want this anymore. When weaning do you wait to take the smaller dose until you start to feel bad or stick to the schedule. Ugh
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I agree!!!
Talk with your bothers and they will most likely take you to a few meeting to get you started. Maybe they still go?? Do not be ashamed..Like I said it is a disease and we need help. You sure would tell them all if you had Cancer...right? I know your Bros will back you up, as I am sure they know all about Addiction and the Brain. They also can help give you some tips on how to avoid triggers. The reading at those meetings will hit you differently each time you go. They are full of truth!! Even those steps we go through change each time we grow and do them over & over. ALL of this makes sense and it helps give you the tools you will need to stay clean.

The emotional roller ride will come and go even when you are completely off these meds. It does take time to find that balance. Be glad that you are feeling real feeling again!!
We will be here Cheering you on all the way!!
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I like your name Merri. I hope to be Merri someday soon. I will try to talk to one of my bro's. I can do this. Ugh.  I know I can do this. Thanks for the support
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That would be a great idea. Let them help you. They have been there. You can do this. Yes you panic at first but that passes quick. Go to meetings. Talk. Have a support system. Delete the numbers and don't contact who you got them from.  Next week you start. It will be awesome!!!
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Didn't get to a meeting yet but I hope I can tomorrow. Been crazy busy today which is probably a good thing. I need that meeting so bad tho. Have no one to talk to but you guys ( which I am grateful for ) but it's tough going through this without my family knowing as they are all around me every second and I am the center piece by which they all circle constantly. lol.  Anyway maybe a meeting will help me gain the courage to tell my husband. Addiction is very prevalent in my family. My brother was a heroin addict and now fully recovered for the last 20 years he is sober. An other brother pain pills but recovered as well. I was always the good girl. Never partied in high school or college. Always over achiever. Run several businesses. Carry everything on my shoulders. I guess I should share with one of my bro's who love me so much but I am so ashamed. It's so hard. Thanks for listening.
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Thank you Vickie. I have the weeps today. Crying at the drop of a hat. Other than that not even sniffling anymore. Energy is ok. Just everything makes me cry. But I am keeping busy. Had a morning work out and spent the rest of the day at my two kids' basketball practices. Have to go to a party tonight. Sooooo not up for that but I will muscle through for my husband and friend's sake. Dropped dose to 25 milligrams today from 50 mls last week. Tomorrow I will go to 20 mls and then tues 10 for a couple days and then done. I wish I had two weeks more to wean but don't have enough so it is what it is. I will stock up on Gatorade and hopefully it won't be too bad. Thanks for the support. You all are great. Makes me feel not so alone.
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Thanks so much. So weepy today. Just feel like crying all the time. Besides that no symptoms. You are right. The tapering is probably mental adjustment for a major change in my life as much as WD. Thanks for the support.
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Hey count- glad you're still here. Delete that "friend" asap. No excuses.

As jugglin says, you are panicking. So lets say you have every detox symptom in the book, what can you do about it? We all have to go thru it. You can attempt to control this, but like everything, we can't control it. So whatever symptoms you have, let them happen. They will pass. And you have been given the advice on how to easy them. (immodium can completely stop having to  run to bathroom every 5 minutes, for example.)

What meeting did you find? Did you go?
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You got some great info from above!

I think you will get through the physical w/ds pretty easy. It is the Brain Chems that have to adjust back. Now you do exercise and that is a Big Plus on your side. Plus the fact that you eat healthy and take some good vit/min. The whole thing is to have a very good immune system build up so your Body can take it. While the Brain is adjusting back it can also send false singles to your body. Rebound pain usually happens. The energy crash does happen with most but just keep pushing yourself.

I really like what Petrolino1074 said about the post w/ds. This is the part that can drive you a bit crazy. We have to get used to feeling real emotions again and living in our own skin when things get bad. This is the part when the brain chems are adjusting back. We have knocked down or unbalanced at least 5 or more brain chems that do many different things and make us feel many different ways. Kind of like those "Happy Chems". It is NOT like the Physical. It is not painful but just getting used to a real brain again..Ha! Sorta speaking here!  HOWEVER, You are SO lucky that you did not build up a tolerance. That right there means you should be healing or balancing back much quicker then most.
BIGGEST Thing is REDIRECT yourself as mush as possible. Do not sit and keep thinking on how you feel. Get out and hit some kind of group support. Do not be scared or freaked out. This will NOT kill you and each day you will get better & better..NEVER worse in the long run for most.
You can do it and I really feel it is not going to be that BAD for you at all. Hang in and keep us updated. Drink tons of water mostly too!
Bless
Vickie
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Welcome!.  I think that the taper you have going has helped you adjust to the idea that the end is coming and you will have to deal with it. I believe that even a short taper can help some with the withdraws. However, you are now starting to panic...I get it, I do. Asking a Dr to help you taper wouldn't be a bad idea if you had gotten the pills from a Dr.  However, you were getting them from a friend so I don't think you will have much luck there.

You are physically fit which is a huge bonus.  I'm assuming you eat clean and have access to or already drink protein shakes and drink your share of water.  These things are all an added bonus for you that not all already practice at this stage in the game,  You already have a workout regimen...working out and exercise in general are yet another plus.  You are further ahead at this point than a high percentage of folks who come here looking for support or advice.

Yes, a long slow taper would have been the ideal for somebody who never built a tolerance.  There is no quick and magic way to get out of WD's. There is also no way to tell to what degree you are going to have them or how long they will last.  Just know that you will always build up wd's to be worse than what they are...don't let your panic of being done get the best of you. Many of us have jobs and families that needed attention while going through this and truthfully, as difficult as it was, it helped to keep my brain distracted.

So, keep up your healthy habits.  Keep your normal schedule as much as possible and rest if you need to.  Find yourself some form of aftercare.  You will get through this.  Stay on track.  Stick around!
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HI  well weaning can help the final withdrawal but your going to feel the effects longer so it is a double edge sward if your in withdrawal wile doing it it may be better to  just get it over with it is up to you in the end we all have to pay the pied pipper your low enough to just jump at this point  keep posting for support .........Gnarly
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Thanks Gnarly. I am already so slim just worried about losing weight during withdrawl. Will try to drink some protein drinks now while I am still ok and pray that I don't get too sick. I never had constipation from the Meds and I am praying that I don't have massive runs when this is finally out of my body. Ugh. I am also supposed to travel with me family on the 27 th. Maybe I should come clean with a doc so he can wean me off a little more slowly so I am not wrecked when I am going through this. Detox is typically not as bad after weaning right ?
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Hi  well weaning helps but you will find it is harder in the lower doses  it is all about the % of drop going form 2 to 1 is a 50% drop and your going to feel it  it just prolongs the withdrawal you may be better off to just quit and get it over with...now is the time to stock up on the things you will need  get a case of gatoraid you will need  to force the fluids  pick up some epsom salt for the bath a hot soak helps most of the symptoms  rent a bunch of movies  most people do not sleep...keep in mind this is 1/3 phyical ad 2/3 metal be ready to fight it out on both fronts the best thing you can bring to the table is a positive attitude it makes the difference between being uncomfortable and suffering  suffering is a choice  last...I have said this a million times but ''you just got to be ok without being ok for a wile  ''this to shall pass  keep posting for support.....Gnarly
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Thank you so much. That is my plan. Proud of everyone that has gotten through this and hope to be on the other side of this soon.
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Oh yea, I forgot to mention that keeping physically fit will help tremendously during your journey. I had to force myself to get to the gym dAily.  Strength trainer here as well, and it does help so keep activity up as much as possible.
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Detox was the easy part for myself.  I was "uncomfortable" for a few months while dropping dose. But I was using Percs for 14 yrs.  the hard part was the first 4 weeks after detox.  I was extremely lethargic, nearly buckling at the knees at times at work. Feeling detached from life, I just didn't feel like myself. But it got better over 4 weeks. And I feel absolutely "Normal" now with no cravings.  My counselors would tell me not to "rush" the process, and I could not comprehend it. Now I look back and I totally understand why.  I think we all know what "symptoms" to expect during detox, but every one is different, as to what the "POST" withdrawal will bring.  The body then has to spring back after YEARS of suppressing natural endorphins, feelings, etc. I'm dealing with a constant cough for 8 weeks now. I think that suppressing cough reaction (opioids suppress cough)  for 14 years is the reason.  I think it's simply being over stimulated now. Hang in there, it will get better. But don't look back!
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You have a great attitude! We have very similar addiction stories. Good luck and keep checking in.
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Thank you. You are right. I have to get rid of this "friend " who helped me into a 5 year habit. It's no ones fault but my own but she sure was the opposite of there for me when I was going through a very very sad time in my life. And 5 years later here I am . Maybe it was God giving me a message that it's time to stop as she hasn't been able to supply me for several months thus levine me only 11 left. I have to do this. I was reading about how everyone was functioning on their Meds and looked good on the outside. That's my story too. No one would dream I am in this mess. I don't even take a sip of alcohol since I started with these damn pills. I never wanted any bed interactions and I was never a drinker anyway. Always had very low tolerance to alcohol. I am afraid to stop the tapper tho as my symptoms have been virtually nill on this track with a jump down from 5 last week to 3 this week. I think I will just stay the course and go to 2 today for the weekend and 1 a day for a few days then half a pill , then done and hope for the best. I will delete her number right now and swallow the money she has had for the last 2 months that she hasn't been able to come up with my Meds. I have to be done with her and this forever. The sun is shining and I have everything to live for. I am crazy angry I let this weakness overtake me . I want my joy back again and I want to stop being a slave to her and those danger danger pills. Thanks so much and I will keep checking in. Peace and love to everyone here suffering.
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I think the fact that you are in very good shape is helping you. Your body is strong and it sounds like your w/d will not be that bad, especially if your tolerance hasn't gone up. Forget the taper. It wont matter much with only 11 left. The roxys are the same as the percs for the most part, but may be time release.  Anyway, I would pick a day to jump, and make them last until then, or better yet just flush them and get on with it. Detox is not your problem, staying clean is the challenge. You are going to have to extricate yourself from the "friends " who have been your suppliers.  
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