Suboxone withdrawal

[ackiii]

How long for these withdrawals to lessen? Day 16 off subs, was on 16 mg. for three years (two and a half solid, six month personal taper without a DR.(my DR. told me I would never get off of them) thank God I figured I should taper anyhow, first week wasn't as bad as I thought it would be (first two days yeah it was bad...I expected it to be, it lessened) I honestly thought a week and I would be done, I knew nothing about it...come the ninth day, I had a hard time getting up the stairs, pain, aches, no energy whatsoever hurt to bad, stomach cramps, back aches, constantly in the bathroom, runny nose, sneezing, day eleven still could barely make it up the stairs, insomnia, frustrated, I could not do what needed to be done, hard to get in the tub, so cold, night sweats, Thought maybe I caught a cold waited a couple days barely making it up the stairs for three days, it scared me, so I got online to find out exactly what are the symptoms and how long will they last?

[Stusha24]

These doctors are usually cash business, why tell a patient they can get off it they are getting 50 to 200 bucks a month.

[PMA555]

I agree. I was prescribed 8mg suboxone and asked many times why?  And realize I was only a meal ticket. And I detoxed almost 2 months ago. And still waiting for that 90 day mark. Hope it comes soon. So I am not so depressed unmotivated and weak and I am getting massages acupuncture every week because after or in the middle if detox. I was so scared ended up at advertised New Beginning clinic in Florida. Which seemed just as bad and did not know how to treat someone already detoxed and gave me valium. Which I have tapered to my last 1mg today. Insomnia is huge which makes it hard to do anything to even break the cycle of being tired after laying around all day. Never been depressed like this before. Suboxone is not for long term use and has almost ruined my health and life

[gnarly_1]

HI sub is only second to methadone as far as hard to come off but its a crap shhot some people come off with little to know withdrawals at like 2mg and others take it down to crumbs and suffer fro 3 weeks you just dont know till the time come to get off just what your withdrawal will be there dosents seam like a set of rules to follow to make it ez it is what it is but your in it 16 days I would say your threw the worst of it but it dose hang on to you we have had both good and bad sub experiences your just going to have to ride out the storm lesson learned........Gnarly

[Chloe313Infuriated]

Thanks again for your good advice.  I am on day 9.  I had to take 1 mg on Tues to get a job done.  Mistake.  That's how sensitive I am to this crap!  It threw me back a little.  However, it is a tiny bit better.  Still feelin the chills, bad stomach, weird muscels and flu like symptoms.  Real tired and get this...haven't smoked a cigarette in a year and a half after 20 yrs (which i attribute to the boxes) and now craving them somethin fierce.  WTF?  So, the depression and alcohol/cigarette cravings are killing me today. I can't get my head together.  I wonder what more fun I have in store?  Can't wait.  Thanks for bein there.  You really sound like you know what you are talkin about.  Did I mention I feel possesed?  At this point if it wasn't for my son, I would be drinking and smoking.  This helps, too...being able to vent.  

[ackiii]

Better but still so tired , back burns, lack of energy, want to be "normal" again, not fighting with this low energy, can't keep up with everything that needs to be done which is frustrating me

[ackiii]

Thanks for the encouragement, hope, hugs...I have a slight bit more energy got to take a hot bath at least, I have sleepy time and sleepy time extra didn't have the energy to make it, but I did take Valerian capsules, I am going to make a list and get some things when I get out, going to try the amino protocol, wish I had thought of getting these things before hand ust had to hop unexpectedly. I plan on going to na however there r not many meetings here and they are far away. The worse now is the intense back pain which I'm sure could be lessened with exercise if I had the energy which I don't hence the frustration level, no other meds what so ever but trust I will get rescue remedy n such when I get out, so tired.

[atthebeach]

you are doing great. yes you will have good days and bad days.
you have to remember you didnt get addicted in 16 days and it is going to take some time for your mind,body,soul and spirit to heal. take it one day at a time. patience is a virtue.
keep yourself busy, try to get your mind off your withdrawal.
have you set up any recovery care for yourself??
therapy,addiction counselor, support groups, na/aa,smart recovery,celebrate recovery.
detoxing is the first step on the road to recovery. it is going to take effort on your part to get yourself well again. relapse is very real,be vigiliant.
life has ups and downs, you have to live life on its terms.

for sleep get some otc meds with melatonin and valerian root. one is sleep by nature made, and also alteril work wonderful.
take a hot bath with epsom salt, drink some sleepy time tea,take the natural sleep aid about an hour before you want to sleep. it takes time for the brain chemistry to heal itself. exercise really helps with this process. exercise helps produce endrophins. that is what they refer to as  "runners high".
keep on keeping on. keep fighting the good fight, keep on truckin.
you got this.
hope,encouragement,hugs
debbie

[ackiii]

I think I need more hydration but it was hard to get it, honestly is the word malise correct? I do not blame the DR. I do believe he took an oath though, I know his shady way is necessary for a lot of people, I was one of them, I knew the day would come when I got off because I wanted to be off regardless of what he said. I am extremely  grateful it was there as I know I would not be here now if it wasn't, truly was a lifesaver, now onto w/d's...the frustration that comes from not bein' able to push myself, not expecting this, some of the symptoms have seem to have gotten better, but not the ability to take regular walks, I am proud and nope I didn't trade one for another, took ibuprofen at times, alka seltzer, Valerian root, apple cider vinegar, b complex it seems to be centered mainly in the belly, lower back now, sneezin has lessened, runny nose, diarrhea,  leg cramps lessened, insomnia not really lessened gotten worst actually, my wonder is...does it get better then worst then better  then worst, days 9 through 16 were worst than days 3 through nine...?
  

[Addicted2long]

I sense the anger and rage in you and I understand totally..however right now..for the sake of your recovery..lets focus on you and getting thru these darn wds! I know how hard it is to come off sub trust me and I had no idea either how rough it is but you were also on it a long time. Your going to get through this and laugh about it. Right now your brain is going insane and ur mad, sad, and ready to rip someones head off. Understandable. U wouldnt want to be around me during my first week of wd trust me. I was telling nurses to shove the blood pressure thing up there ***! How dare u try to wake me up in my wd slumber! A few nights when they tried to touch my arm I swear I think I slapped one of them outta reflex. Anyways Im just trying to cheer u up somehow. Maybe a joke?? **** i have none. I duno man u gotta just keep busy. Watch movies, play games, read a book. Write up your legal plan to take down the suboxone empire! Just stay busy. This too shall pass. Look at things for the future not the past. What are you going to do with your life after your feeling great and drug free? Help others that are in your spot and spread the word on your experiences with the drug. Do however realize that not everyone has negative experiences with sub. U were conned into getting on it and there was no reason to esp. coming off vikes. For someone like me however coming off a heavy heroin habit sub saves there lives. And ull have both sides of the argument. So speak solely from "your experience". Keep up the good work bud.

[atthebeach]

Please keep your hydrated. Apple juice.gatorade.water.
Are you vomiting? Are you able to eat?

[Chloe313Infuriated]

Thank you for your comments, it is helping me, as well, to get through my suboxone w/d's.  I understand I got myself here but I knew nothing of suboxone until I was in detox for a vicodin and an alcohol habit. I was addicted for the second time to vikes...this time for 3 months.   I was actually told by my doc that if I tapered off slowly, I would have NO w/d symptoms from the subs.  So, I refuse to believe that this is completely my fault.  I trusted my doc.  Isn't that what we are supposed to do?  I learned a valuable lesson.  Subs are a million times worse than vikes.  I would never have gone on them a year and a half ago if I was told the truth by the medical professionals.  They are just taking advantage!  I see lawsuits down the road if they don't start being honest with their patients.  I went to detox to help myself, NOT to get addicted to an even more diabolical drug!  It is complete bull****!  I have never suffered like this and I weaned myself off of vikes 3 years ago.  If I relapsed on opiates, I would take full responsibility.  However, I was in no state of mind nor had the resources to research the horrible affects of suboxone when they put me on it.  I was snowed.  I know it doesn't do me any good at this point to focus on the wrongdoings of the doctors but as soon as I am better, it will definitely help.  I plan to take legal action against these drug dealing d****** in disguise.  I hope that others who have been through the same predicament as me, take action, as well.  We were sick and they just made us sicker for a longer period of time.  We have a disease- so my beloved 12 step program tells me.  They wouldn't treat a hideous infection with chemotherapy and radiation, unless cancer was involved.  In my opinion, this is exactly what the dope dealing, money grubbing suboxone dealing "physicians" are doing.  They are over treating with a far more dangerous substance and they should be held accountable.  

[Addicted2long]

I know what ya mean most doctors tend not to tell their patients that there about to take a drug that is going to grab them by the balls and never let go. Its difficult dealing with the anger alone that one may have from being lied to or left in the dark about something. The bottom line is for many people suboxone saves lives. It helps addicts get off the more dangerous opoids and work on there recovery. Many people tend to think of it as a way out of the mess without a fight and thats a misconception. You have to understand that regardless of what way you stop whether cold turkey, a taper, or a replacement such as suboxone at the end there is going to be a battle regardless. I hope that you were not convinced to jump to suboxone from a much less severe wd such as say low dose vikes or perks. If you were into heavy opiates or high mgs than it can be a good decision. It is going to take awhile for you to feel better but u will get better. Do not turn back to subs or any other pill .U have gotten this far and your almost there. Push yourself to the max everyday and it will help. Stay out of your head. Trust me thinking about how ****** u feel or how much of a dickhead the doctor is will make it far worse. Frankly speaking u have no one but yourself to blame for being where u are today right? We got ourselves here we must get ourselves out. Goodluck my friend

[ackiii]

my guess is the DR. wasn't on the up n up...always changing offices, only accepted cash etc, etc, however...for a lot of people it worked including me, helped them get and keep life in order I tried to get my records and couldn't but thats ok, I wanted off anyway my part in his bmw's is done.I was ust not prepared for the length of wd, had no clue till I got online and started reading about it

[Addicted2long]

Give it time thats all you can do at this point. U will start feeling better soon and be able to take walks and get out of the house. For now just relax and take one day at a time. It does get better and you will get through this. I am praying for your recovery and courage to get through this.

[ackiii]

I ust don't have the strength to take a walk, yesterday I did, today I couldn't, my body is not doing what my mind wants it too, I find it hard being patient I hate not being able to do what needs to be done, very frustrating, I couldn't drag myself to a meeting if I wanted to

[Addicted2long]

Congrats on your decision to get off suboxone. I know just how hard it is and I was never able to come off it ct and not relapse. I had to go ct off my doc because its so hard. You are 16 days clean so your pretty much through it. Thats huge! U should be proud of yourself because it is a killer to get off suboxone esp. 3 years of using 16mg. Wow. Thats awful that your doctor said youd be on it for life how old are you? Ive never heard that before only with methadone. Im amazed they would not work with you on a taper? did you tell them you were going to get off it regardless of there help? I would think they would have to listen to your requests and help you quit. Anyways, suboxone is a very long wd. Unlike normal opiates that take a week for the worst of it suboxone can be 2-3 weeks on bad wd and another 3 weeks of mild symptoms like insomnia, RLS, anxiety, chills..and of course depression. They will all start getting better day by day. U have come so far and you should congradulate yourself on that. There is a light at the end of the tunnel I promise. Just keep busy and try to take walks in the day to keep your body moving it helps with the cramps. Take highlands restless leg you can get it at the pharmacy OTC. Take hot showers and baths and you may be able to catch some sleep in the tub. I hate to drag myself on the floor into the shower I was in so much pain and so weak. I had not slept for 10 days straight so I had little to no energy. Keep up the fight and it will be soo worth it. There are so many side effects with suboxone and you will love being off it. DO NOT go back to opiates. Often people that get off it try and switch to say perks or vikes and than ween off those. Do not do this. It will not work. You have to stick it out and its SOO important you get aftercare right now. U need to go to NA/AA meetings and figure out your gameplan to not pickup again. U may be able to get a therapist too if you can afford it and that helps a ton. If you do nothing and expect to just move on and forget about it your chances of relapse are very high. Take my advice from experience.