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Subutex help
Hi, I'm on 8 mg of Subutex a day and want to get off badly, I'm in college and less than a year away from becoming an addictions specialist, I do not wana be on Subutex when I start working in the field of addictions, but I was a heroin addict for 15 years and scared to death that if I just stop taking subs I'll relapse, any suggestions on how to get off?
Go here. This site is pretty concise and a good source of information.
Helpmegetoffdrugs.com
I always try to refer people here. I don't own the website or have any connection to it, financial or otherwise. I just find it to match with my own personal experiences and other information I trust.
Yes, there' a difference but how significant is open for debate. Suboxone has Naloxone. The Naloxone is added to prevent abuse by injection. When taken sublingualy the Naloxone has low/very low bio-availability. The idea is that if its injected it will have high bio-availability and the Naloxone will push the opiates off their receptors. Apparently it's not very effective doing this, so in the end probably not much difference.
Tapering long and slow ? Whether this applies to your child depends on how the drug is being used. It its a short term detox where Suboxone is used for a few weeks then by definition it's going to be a fast taper, starting immediately and taking about 14 - 21 days. If they're on a longer term maintenance program like 6 months to a couple years it would be nice to have a plan to get off. Only a small percentage of opiate addicts are probably suitable for indefinate lifetime maintenance. All others should try to eventually get off this stuff.
Why would someone take this drug for 2 years if the plan is to be opiate free?
One Idea is that the stability offered by Suboxone maintenance therapy helps the patient be better able maintain sobriety long term. The patient becomes employable. The arterial bleeding of money and its associated behaviors can stop. They are no lager dependent on drug dealers to keep them from getting sick, so they can end these associations.
Another idea promoted by long term maintenance therapy is that the unconscious programming of the brain's craving for opiates is lessened.
The idea is that the longer you go without stimulating that reward center with opiates, the less cravings when they do quit. Everyone here will tell you " The quitting is relatively easy, it's staying quit that's the hard part"
Remember, this is mostly just my opinion. I hope this can help
Helpmegetoffdrugs.com
I always try to refer people here. I don't own the website or have any connection to it, financial or otherwise. I just find it to match with my own personal experiences and other information I trust.
Yes, there' a difference but how significant is open for debate. Suboxone has Naloxone. The Naloxone is added to prevent abuse by injection. When taken sublingualy the Naloxone has low/very low bio-availability. The idea is that if its injected it will have high bio-availability and the Naloxone will push the opiates off their receptors. Apparently it's not very effective doing this, so in the end probably not much difference.
Tapering long and slow ? Whether this applies to your child depends on how the drug is being used. It its a short term detox where Suboxone is used for a few weeks then by definition it's going to be a fast taper, starting immediately and taking about 14 - 21 days. If they're on a longer term maintenance program like 6 months to a couple years it would be nice to have a plan to get off. Only a small percentage of opiate addicts are probably suitable for indefinate lifetime maintenance. All others should try to eventually get off this stuff.
Why would someone take this drug for 2 years if the plan is to be opiate free?
One Idea is that the stability offered by Suboxone maintenance therapy helps the patient be better able maintain sobriety long term. The patient becomes employable. The arterial bleeding of money and its associated behaviors can stop. They are no lager dependent on drug dealers to keep them from getting sick, so they can end these associations.
Another idea promoted by long term maintenance therapy is that the unconscious programming of the brain's craving for opiates is lessened.
The idea is that the longer you go without stimulating that reward center with opiates, the less cravings when they do quit. Everyone here will tell you " The quitting is relatively easy, it's staying quit that's the hard part"
Remember, this is mostly just my opinion. I hope this can help
Number_1_SON
You are more then welcome to post a question here. We have tons of people that have been clean from Subs & Subutex.
Both Suboxone & Subutex both contain Burprenorphine.
The Suboxone contains both Buprenphoine and Naloxane. The person will go into precipitated w/ds if they use another opiate with this one. BOTH will always Push away the other Opiates. They are a opiod partial agonist. These meds are used in treating other Addictions and should be taken under a Drs maintenance program.
You are more then welcome to post a question here. We have tons of people that have been clean from Subs & Subutex.
Both Suboxone & Subutex both contain Burprenorphine.
The Suboxone contains both Buprenphoine and Naloxane. The person will go into precipitated w/ds if they use another opiate with this one. BOTH will always Push away the other Opiates. They are a opiod partial agonist. These meds are used in treating other Addictions and should be taken under a Drs maintenance program.
It would be good if you could have someone help you with the taper. Because when a doc tapers you they only give you a certain amount for a certain amount of time. If someone else can hold your pills for you then you're not going to be able to take more than you're suppose to. also like Vickie said to though,a lot of addicts can't taper. So having someone strong willed to help you that won't cave if ask for more would be best....if you have someone?
If you're doctor isn't going to help you then leave it at that and keep getting them and start yourself on a taper plan asap. The only issue with that is that it would be kind of nice to have a doctors guidance to help you through the taper. I know sub docs are hard to come by. We can't give tapering advice either. It would be a lot easier for you to taper than your doctor just being a sh*t and cutting you off so he can just find someone else to make money off of. I can deff see you wanting off before you can become an addiction specialist. Subs are just a replacement for the opiates not a cure all.
As a parent of a young adult that is currently being prescribed Subonxone for an opiate addition, maybe you can help me understand somethings. What do you mean by tapering long and slow. And is there a difference between Subutex and Subonxone?
I've just posted some info on a question submitted by NJacklyn today. I think some of that info would be valuable for you. Read that post and go here for more info
helpmegetoffdrugs.com/taper
Your best chance of getting off this stuff is by tapering. Long and slow.
About ibogaine. Not legal in the states that I know of. I've read a little about it. IMHO, there are few shortcuts to recovery. Its just plain hard work that everyone who's done it says is the best thing they've ever done for themselves.
As I told NJacklyn, if you have specific questions for me just send me a message or note.
Cheers
helpmegetoffdrugs.com/taper
Your best chance of getting off this stuff is by tapering. Long and slow.
About ibogaine. Not legal in the states that I know of. I've read a little about it. IMHO, there are few shortcuts to recovery. Its just plain hard work that everyone who's done it says is the best thing they've ever done for themselves.
As I told NJacklyn, if you have specific questions for me just send me a message or note.
Cheers
I've been hearing a lot about a natural med that helps ppl get off opiates, it is called ibogaine or iboga and I've been looking into that but was wondering if anybody here has tryed it, and if so, does it work??
Yes, I am on Subutex prescribed by a doctor, the problem is that this doctor is about as crooked as they come and just wants to keep giving me more sub, he won't detox me, says I'm not ready, therefore If I want off I will need to do it myself, I guess he'd rather get paid than actually see ppl get off this god awful medication.
Hi & Welcome to our Forum.
I just would like to add, that if you stick with one post right now we will come & go. This will make it easier for us to follow you right now.
Are you getting the Subs under a Drs maintenance program?
There is alot to this Addiction. Beside going to them meetings, I also study this in a more Scientific way. We can not give you a taper plan on this site but you should from your DR. Most of us had to just stop our drugs because we could not taper. I would suggest you do a nice and easy taper and get down a bit further. Talk to the Dr about this.
Meanwhile, get yourself prepared by drinking tons of water to help flush some of these toxins out. Get to building up a great immune system. Lots of Brain Chemistry gets whacked out, so this is the part that will take some time to bounce back and fire up (sorta speaking)..Maybe do some homework on what vit/min will help relax you and for sleep and others that will give you that energy. The Energy and No-Low Motivation seems to be the last besides the mental. The BIG thing is TIME & PATIENCE!
It is hard to put a Time Frame on this because we all have different ages and used for longer or shorter periods of time. Age & Heath does play a big role on bouncing back. Aftercare is a must!
Just keep checking your post as we have many that came off the Subs.
Stick around and go look into others post. You will pick up a lot of info and experience on this forum. You will get Support all the way and in the long run you can support others. I wish you the best in what your future holds.
Bless
I just would like to add, that if you stick with one post right now we will come & go. This will make it easier for us to follow you right now.
Are you getting the Subs under a Drs maintenance program?
There is alot to this Addiction. Beside going to them meetings, I also study this in a more Scientific way. We can not give you a taper plan on this site but you should from your DR. Most of us had to just stop our drugs because we could not taper. I would suggest you do a nice and easy taper and get down a bit further. Talk to the Dr about this.
Meanwhile, get yourself prepared by drinking tons of water to help flush some of these toxins out. Get to building up a great immune system. Lots of Brain Chemistry gets whacked out, so this is the part that will take some time to bounce back and fire up (sorta speaking)..Maybe do some homework on what vit/min will help relax you and for sleep and others that will give you that energy. The Energy and No-Low Motivation seems to be the last besides the mental. The BIG thing is TIME & PATIENCE!
It is hard to put a Time Frame on this because we all have different ages and used for longer or shorter periods of time. Age & Heath does play a big role on bouncing back. Aftercare is a must!
Just keep checking your post as we have many that came off the Subs.
Stick around and go look into others post. You will pick up a lot of info and experience on this forum. You will get Support all the way and in the long run you can support others. I wish you the best in what your future holds.
Bless
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