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To Sub or not to Sub - - That is the question?
This subject seems to keep popping up every few days as more people read or hear that Suboxone or Subutex may be “The Answer” to their addiction problem. About two months ago the debate raged pretty intensely between those who were pro or con on Sub. Most of the regulars on this site know of my negative experience with Sub –as I have tried my best to share it, but I may have, in my zeal, discouraged some from even wanting to quit their DOC. That certainly was (and is) not my intention. Let me share that after 3 months of being totally clean, life has not been this good in a very long time. Sub is a tool that can be successfully used to stop Opiate addiction. It works very well as almost everyone will agree – the point of disagreement among present and past users is whether it is appropriate for use in all Opiate addictions. My take on it is that if a person is on Heroin or Methadone, then Suboxone is probably justified. Perhaps even for those on very heavy doses of Oxycontin - (over 200 mg/day) may be justified in using Sub to kick the addiction. However, anything short of that may result in only swapping one drug for another. Sub is 40 times stronger than Oxy and although it does not give the ‘high’ we were accustomed to, it is more addictive than most people’s DOC. Knowledge is power – and those who are serious about quitting need to know both sides of this debate. Again this is only my opinion but using Sub to kick an addiction to a class 3 narcotic like Norco (Vicodin) would be like using an atomic bomb when you only need a hand grenade. Even heavy doses of Hydrocodone can be tapered and then quit with only a week or two of withdrawal symptoms. However Sub withdrawals can last for months. As long as someone is taking Sub they will not have W/D’s but only a very few on this site have testified that they are glad they used Sub for their addiction. Many have said they felt deceived by the doctor who started them on Sub. Once hooked on Sub they felt helpless to free themselves from it. To add insult to injury, most have also stated that the doctor started them on a dosage that was far too high – thus increasing their potential addiction.
So, the point I want to make is – Buyer beware – get educated as much as possible – read all you can and then decide how you will get clean. I encourage all who are considering using Sub to read the post that Avisg put together on the Health Pages --- The title is “Members experiences coming off of Suboxone.” I do appreciate the posts of those who successfully used Sub to come off of their DOC - I hope that more people will continue to post their own experience with Sub --- This is a great forum to air all sides of this issue and I hope it will continue. All the best.
So, the point I want to make is – Buyer beware – get educated as much as possible – read all you can and then decide how you will get clean. I encourage all who are considering using Sub to read the post that Avisg put together on the Health Pages --- The title is “Members experiences coming off of Suboxone.” I do appreciate the posts of those who successfully used Sub to come off of their DOC - I hope that more people will continue to post their own experience with Sub --- This is a great forum to air all sides of this issue and I hope it will continue. All the best.
I don't think it's for anyone to say really that if you used vicodin then you shouldn't be on Suboxene! With that being said I started my addiction on vicodin and progressed and ended up at the end on 15 30mgs roxys (blues)a day! I will say when I ran out of the vicodin the wds werw nothing compared to the DEATH I felt wd off of the blues, however my tolerance is NOT going to be the same as someone else's, it's not up to anyone to say someone on vicodin shouldn't be on subs or they should stick it out!!! Some people just aren't that strong! I know for me taking 15 30mgs roxys a day then waking up with nothing felt like death, idk how anyone else feels! Just wanted to make that clear, an addict is an addict regardless of COD. As for the Suboxene it has been MY godsend!! I'm able to work,visit and play with my 2yr old grandson, watched my son graduate out of the Navy boot camp had I still been using I would have robbed myself of these very precious things. I know using subs incorrectly can be just as dangerous but that's what determines who is really ready to be clean! When I'm ready and at the very minimum of taking the subs I can handle the wd because it will be the right way it's been a miracle for me and I understand it might not have been for others, Suboxene taken the right way and when YOUR ready to be off of them it does work! The last thing I want to say is this: for the comments regarding insurance and the money to pay for subs, let me ask this,I don't have insurance and I pay 150 a month and 420 for a script of 60 subs, if I were still using I would be spending over 2-3000 a month, so why are people complaining about the cost when I know my DOC was costing me twice that? It's a small price for me to pay because I have my life back! No more waking up sick, trying to hustle, looking to score that next pill, there's always pros and cons to any treatment you seek!
This post is very old but I felt I needed to respond to it. Doctors are pushing this sh!t like it's the end all be all drug, the fact is it's worse for you than taking regular pain pills. I was taking 4x8mg Subutex a day for 6 years being told that it wasn't a problem. Well it was a problem it destroys your liver, heart and pancreas yes that's right I got type 2 diabetes from it! That's why they are pulling the generic OFF the counters I assume Suboxone/Subutex will be pulled too eventually. It will also and effect you're overall mental stability! Withdrawal took over 1 YEAR and I still have side effects. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but they have a 1 day withdrawal program it's 5k and takes 24 hours to see 90% of the effect go away. But guess what; in my case I was allergic to the antidote. I went into complete psychosis, attacked a nurse, and hallucinated for 5 days with no change in withdrawal. If a doctor EVEN SUGGESTS TAKING SUBUTEX OR SUBOXONE DO NOT TAKE IT!!!! You are much better off taking the pain pills you are on and weaning from those, its hell no doubt but you will be a stronger and better person once you get off the drugs. I hate to admit it but the best drug I have found for helping with withdrawal and pain is pot. I hate pot I don't like how it made me feel but it finally worked and I am sober as of February 21, 2011. The main thing to remember the Doc doesn't get his money if he can't prescribe you his wonder pills. Don't get sucked in, I paid 10k over 6 years to stay on Subutex and 5k for the miracle cure but when it came down to brass tax, I did it on my own and with my family and friends help. If you don't have a support system, even if it is NA/AA, I am not a fan of either organizations because all you do is end up meeting more drug users and find more connections, take what you can get.
God Bless whoever reads this and remember your doctor especially if no insurance is taken is probably not looking out for you, he is looking out for HIS pocketbook!
YOU CAN QUIT YOU JUST HAVE TO BUCK UP AND TAKE IT! ONCE YOU MAKE IT AND YOU WILL, YOU WILL LOOK AT EVERYDAY PROBLEMS LIKE THEY ARE A JOKE!
GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS! Even if you don't believe in God, you had better reconsider with out his/her help I would have never made it.
God Bless whoever reads this and remember your doctor especially if no insurance is taken is probably not looking out for you, he is looking out for HIS pocketbook!
YOU CAN QUIT YOU JUST HAVE TO BUCK UP AND TAKE IT! ONCE YOU MAKE IT AND YOU WILL, YOU WILL LOOK AT EVERYDAY PROBLEMS LIKE THEY ARE A JOKE!
GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS! Even if you don't believe in God, you had better reconsider with out his/her help I would have never made it.
Just a general comment. First time offering my story so we'll see. Twelve years ago I had an accident at work. I've had back pain before but not like this. Anyway with my first of many drs since I started with percs. Thought it helped but even with an addictive personality I was good with getting off. I remember the day my dr prescribed oxy. But I still wasn't all that addicted. So I kept asking for stronger meds and earlier refills. My wonderful dr in NYC was a happy guy who gladly did what I told him to do. So. In less than a year (I swear on my kids). I was being prescribed 6 30mg roxycontin, 6 80 mg OxyContin, 4(40) mg methadone, 3 Xanax a day, and what makes me cringe a filled script of suboxen at 3 (8mg) a day. Plus 2 or 3 others. Honestly. Now I realize he gave me the subs in case I ran out of the other stuff. But I wasn't tought how to use it either. Maybe I was soo high I didn't know what instructions he gave me but I still have the 17 page printout at the cvs pharmacy to back it up.
Soo. I went through withdrawel. That year - and many times throughout the last ten. Oxy withdrawel was the worst. I would or should have died mixing meds around like I did. 5 years later I got on fentanyl patches. That was no fun either. I had the drs conclusions about what pain I should be having so I could rely on talking them through what I needed till I got my scripts. So.... Like a lot of others I kept his up for a while. I went to detox 2 or 3 times thinking that's all I needed. I was never sober long.
3 years ago I went on suboxen. My choice. Ended up at 3 (8mg) a day like before. But with instructions this time. It might be the best choice I've made in a long time. 8 days ago I decided to get off.
I told the dr. But as always I did what I wanted and did not taper. I spent 4 days in bed. But now it's a blurr. It was just as bad as before.
But this time I didn't have the connection to other drugs as I had in the past. This time I knew there was hope.
It's day 9. I'm still not solid, sleep wake dreaming every night, chills yawns, spiders in the vein occasionally too. But I'm myself again. I will have a lot more to deal with in the coming days. But I've lost a lot and the time that went with it. If you can - Do the suboxen route if u have a plan.
Soo. I went through withdrawel. That year - and many times throughout the last ten. Oxy withdrawel was the worst. I would or should have died mixing meds around like I did. 5 years later I got on fentanyl patches. That was no fun either. I had the drs conclusions about what pain I should be having so I could rely on talking them through what I needed till I got my scripts. So.... Like a lot of others I kept his up for a while. I went to detox 2 or 3 times thinking that's all I needed. I was never sober long.
3 years ago I went on suboxen. My choice. Ended up at 3 (8mg) a day like before. But with instructions this time. It might be the best choice I've made in a long time. 8 days ago I decided to get off.
I told the dr. But as always I did what I wanted and did not taper. I spent 4 days in bed. But now it's a blurr. It was just as bad as before.
But this time I didn't have the connection to other drugs as I had in the past. This time I knew there was hope.
It's day 9. I'm still not solid, sleep wake dreaming every night, chills yawns, spiders in the vein occasionally too. But I'm myself again. I will have a lot more to deal with in the coming days. But I've lost a lot and the time that went with it. If you can - Do the suboxen route if u have a plan.
When choosing to take suboxone understand that you are entering a battle in itself. Tramadol is the weakest form of opiod out there. Sub is used to treat people who are withdrawal from heroin and high doses of opioid I would HIGHLY recommend not using subs for tramadol withdrawal. With the care of a physician you can use meds temp like clonodine. A bp Med and a little sedative for 7 days. If you start the sub. Tapering off of them is HELL. THE HALF Life can be as much at 72 hrs. Meaning a complete withdrawal can be 22 days. Subs are a *****. Doctors once realizing u are taking them will label u a junkie. With the new electronic sharing of Med records. U can't keep your addiction confidential. Best of luck with your choice
thats what i was thinking about what about the liver damage that the hydros and oxys cause
You need to check out this website for support! Cut and paste http://www.subsuxs.com.or do a web search! Good luck! Your going to need it!
You can read the subutex/suboxone FAQ on the bottom of the community page. You are on a high enough dose, that I can see the doctor recommending subs. I am in subutex withdrawal right now. If you don't have the craving and compulsion of many addicts, you can taper. If you want to use subs for pain management, I have one friend with screws up and down his neck and he says it helps. He went back to work after taking oxys for 10yrs, during which time he could not work. Hope that helps. Good luck.
I have been an addict for ten years and I use many different kinds of pills at once. After ten years of mixing drugs and failing to get clean and failing at cold turkey I knew suboxone was right for me. It helped me get off of everything at once. Otherwise I was trying so hard to detox of all four drugs one by one and it was almost impossible so I kept relapsing. I will tell you from my experience that suboxone should not be used for a lower dose addiction on vicodin or loritab etc. I think it should be used when there's nothing left. I tried to read most of the comments but I failed to much to read. But I agree with a lot of people who say use suboxone with care! That's my two cents!
My pain doc has been treating my back problems with opiates. I started at a low level but over the course of 4 yrs he has increased my dose up to 2 80 mg OxyContin 3 times a day 100 mcg fentanyl patch every 72 hrs and up to 6 30 mg Oxycodone for break through pain. I have stopped the patches on my own so I'm on 480 mg oxycontin ER and up to 180 mg Oxycodone for breakthrough pain. My doc now thinks I should switch to suboxone - will this treat my chronic pain and is it something that I will stay on? I'm interested in the sublingual route.
Any help would be appreciated,
Jon
Any help would be appreciated,
Jon
I have been taking methodone for about two years and have tapered from a high of 140mg down to 40mg. I have seen the Doctor to make the switch to saboxone. He perscibed me 60 oxycodone and told me to stop taking the methodone. I go back in ten days to start the saboxone. I have done quite a bit of research and it seems to be that there are the pros and the cons just like in anything else.
The doc said it is easier to go from oxycodone to sabox than methodone to Sabox and that is his reasoning for giving it to me. However WARNING going back on oxy for just a few days brings your brain back to the addictive thinking. Make sure to have support in place. This is a very dangious way to make the switch.
I will keep you informed of my progress. Xaviersdad
The doc said it is easier to go from oxycodone to sabox than methodone to Sabox and that is his reasoning for giving it to me. However WARNING going back on oxy for just a few days brings your brain back to the addictive thinking. Make sure to have support in place. This is a very dangious way to make the switch.
I will keep you informed of my progress. Xaviersdad
methadone is the devil. worse than any other opiate. trust me. i was forced to detox CT off Mdone in jail after getting busted for a DUI .....only there 2 days but then the detox at my moms house then a recovery home for women fornthe rest...... it was a living friggin HELL ! i will nvr forget!
i stayed off opiates .....i used to be a heroin addict...thats why i was on Mdone...... anyway.... i got hurt, got diagnosed with a chronic illness 6 years later and was off to pain managenmnt...... 200 mg of opiates a day....oxy and roxy.....so after 4 years....i wanted off ! i have not been myself...my soul and spirit shackled to opium....lost interest in some rlly gr8 things !
my point.....i followed the amino acid protocol , exactly , at home , cold turkey , off over 200 mgs opiates .... and i did it! the detox was Nothing like methadone....thank GOD...... just follow the protocol....and get a clear head....dont be a slave to anything and live the life u were meant to live.....and LOVE :)
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i stayed off opiates .....i used to be a heroin addict...thats why i was on Mdone...... anyway.... i got hurt, got diagnosed with a chronic illness 6 years later and was off to pain managenmnt...... 200 mg of opiates a day....oxy and roxy.....so after 4 years....i wanted off ! i have not been myself...my soul and spirit shackled to opium....lost interest in some rlly gr8 things !
my point.....i followed the amino acid protocol , exactly , at home , cold turkey , off over 200 mgs opiates .... and i did it! the detox was Nothing like methadone....thank GOD...... just follow the protocol....and get a clear head....dont be a slave to anything and live the life u were meant to live.....and LOVE :)
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mama k.
Ill just add that after a 2 year addiction to Vicodin and oxygen I started Subs. I felt normal and actually like myself for those few months before I relapsed and then went to a methadone clinic. Methadone is where I have been for 4 years. I'm now 24, married with my first kid on the way. MDone makes me feel like a shell. I work and get by but I am not myself. I decreased from 90 mg. To 20 without severe w/d but feel stuck. I guess my point is given the choice of subs or MDone subs can let u live a much more normal life. Again I wouldn't reccomend either as apposed to a support group and medical w/d or rehab.
Can we agree if you have the choices between sub. And methadone then sub is way better? I had a Vicodin/ oxy habit for about 2 1/2 years. I had tried MDone from my pill Guy and loved it. I went straight to the MDone clinic and have been on it for 4 years now. Ill add that for a short time before I started @ the clinic I did begin suboxone and felt normal for those 3-4 months.(although I now know it was just a substitute, not a fix)
I really hope that you are ok. God has brung you a long long way. I know you posted April 20, but I am praying for you. I too am a "chronic relapser" and it is a problem in and of itself. Some folks just get sober, end of story. I mean sure its hard for them, but they do it. Then there is us. I have an aunt that is only 49 years old and she is in a nursing home due to an overdose. She too died, and they brought her back. She had a stroke however and is now in a wheelchair and can hardly speak. She was however able to wheel herself down the hall and steal a pain patch off an old lady! Honest to God true story, and funny..yet so so sad. Her son recently went to Afghanistan, she wasnt there to wave goodbye, in fact she doesnt even remember she has a son.But she d@mn sure remembered she was an addict and stole that pain patch. I am not doing well myself right now and have been considering sub, however I think I will just go cold turkey, cause either way I am still a prisoner. And isn't that the whole point? Not to be a prisoner to "something" for the rest of my life? D@mn right it is! Good luck to all of you. BTW, I have had 6 years of sobriety and they were the best years of my life. If only.....
I have been on subs for about 4 years. It helped me to stay clean but now I have to take them everyday or I get violent withdrawals. I don't think I can just get off them on my own. I've tried and I felt like I was dying. I want to get off therm but I don't know how I need help. I really dont want to have to take them at all. Any suggestions please?
I have been on subs for about 4 years. It helped me to stay clean but now I have to take them everyday or I get violent withdrawals. I don't think I can just get off them on my own. I've tried and I felt like I was dying. I want to get off therm but I don't know how I need help. I really dont want to have to take them at all. Any suggestions please?
I'm sure that if your reading this or topics alike then your most likely looking for an answer, a friend or some kind of hope..I
I honestly don't know if we'll ever get the one we truely seek,from my personal opinion and experience once caught in the oh so enduldging open arms of addiction,we often find ourselves not wanting to return to reality due to loss of being "in touch",fear of w/d's,scared of everyone & everything we once knew,loved&cared for to be gone,changed or soo fed up&tired-sum of us ripping&running...well that is exactly where i found myself sometime in Nov.2008,I then decided to go the only place i felt I belong,the nuthouse,because not only do i suffer addiction but many mental illnesses and from not being on the much needed meds,i was detoxing/w.d/coming down from not only opiates but cocaine xtc alchol&many others but i was doing so without anything but being sick&tired of being sick&tired.a week later they diacharged me,without having a penny to my name or anywhere to sleep,I was tooken to rehab.ha.a lot of good that could've done aweek ago! Here i was already threw the worst with no suboxone,methadone..nothing & almost everybody there were being given so they wouldn't have to go through what i just thought to be hell,i wasn't aware of the so called miracle drug,long story shortened,i completed my 30days went to the place once called home is when the true journey began.. well 5months worth of meetings,groups,and ****** up situations i was still clean.one day i wasn't looking and it all came to an abrupt hault..I don't kno how or why but on april2nd,2009 my life &soberiety ended. Almost a week later i woke up with an i.v in one to many viens a tube down my throat with a machine keeping me alive,i later learned someone had drugged me and shot me up with a tenth of heroin,i o.d &i ended up dying before someone found me,I don't kno how nor why i was lucky per say but i was put on lifesupport and they told my family i wouldn't make it,if i did it was a 5% chance.well i woke up the day before they were to pull the plug.I've had memory loss,and few other things that effect me still,but after i was off lifesuppprt The hospital shipped me to another nuthouse due to the fact they believe i was attempting suicide,where i was given suboxone.mind there is no need for it,i was given a lethal dosage 8-8mg pills a day!! Yes eight whole eight mg pills a day. I couldn't function,i had no idea what was right @the time until i was given the okay to go home..i couldn't handle it so i just stopped taking so many,then when at a N.A meeting another addict,my so called sponsor took me to a methadone meeting,like all other doctors,i was sucked into that. Until recently i attended the clinic and didn't use or truely crave illicit drugs..yes the rumors are true that methadone withdrawls without the proper taper are horrible.worse then anything I've ever experienced. Well just my luck,i was being sexually harrased,so i went to my other p.c doctor and laid it out,he given me methadone tabs to taper from the liquid handcuffs i was just in,but he tore me down so quickly i gotten so sick i couldn't take it,so he wrote for 2 8mg. Suboxone a day..except thia time i was aware of what i was getting myself into...so i thought. All that did was throw me into the worst withdrawl ever! So a weekend goes by and i quit takin the damn pills,once again he writes for subutex. I'm in full blowen w.d's because my insurance needs a prior auth. And the doc is closed on the weekend!! So here i sit on Saturday feeling as if I'm going to die. I feel as if I'm moments away from going to cop that Detroit's finest...ughhhh i wish it were easier for us to get off drugs as it was to get on.. i just keep tellin myself i only have to be sick this last time, you only have to be sick one time. Just for today right?
I honestly don't know if we'll ever get the one we truely seek,from my personal opinion and experience once caught in the oh so enduldging open arms of addiction,we often find ourselves not wanting to return to reality due to loss of being "in touch",fear of w/d's,scared of everyone & everything we once knew,loved&cared for to be gone,changed or soo fed up&tired-sum of us ripping&running...well that is exactly where i found myself sometime in Nov.2008,I then decided to go the only place i felt I belong,the nuthouse,because not only do i suffer addiction but many mental illnesses and from not being on the much needed meds,i was detoxing/w.d/coming down from not only opiates but cocaine xtc alchol&many others but i was doing so without anything but being sick&tired of being sick&tired.a week later they diacharged me,without having a penny to my name or anywhere to sleep,I was tooken to rehab.ha.a lot of good that could've done aweek ago! Here i was already threw the worst with no suboxone,methadone..nothing & almost everybody there were being given so they wouldn't have to go through what i just thought to be hell,i wasn't aware of the so called miracle drug,long story shortened,i completed my 30days went to the place once called home is when the true journey began.. well 5months worth of meetings,groups,and ****** up situations i was still clean.one day i wasn't looking and it all came to an abrupt hault..I don't kno how or why but on april2nd,2009 my life &soberiety ended. Almost a week later i woke up with an i.v in one to many viens a tube down my throat with a machine keeping me alive,i later learned someone had drugged me and shot me up with a tenth of heroin,i o.d &i ended up dying before someone found me,I don't kno how nor why i was lucky per say but i was put on lifesupport and they told my family i wouldn't make it,if i did it was a 5% chance.well i woke up the day before they were to pull the plug.I've had memory loss,and few other things that effect me still,but after i was off lifesuppprt The hospital shipped me to another nuthouse due to the fact they believe i was attempting suicide,where i was given suboxone.mind there is no need for it,i was given a lethal dosage 8-8mg pills a day!! Yes eight whole eight mg pills a day. I couldn't function,i had no idea what was right @the time until i was given the okay to go home..i couldn't handle it so i just stopped taking so many,then when at a N.A meeting another addict,my so called sponsor took me to a methadone meeting,like all other doctors,i was sucked into that. Until recently i attended the clinic and didn't use or truely crave illicit drugs..yes the rumors are true that methadone withdrawls without the proper taper are horrible.worse then anything I've ever experienced. Well just my luck,i was being sexually harrased,so i went to my other p.c doctor and laid it out,he given me methadone tabs to taper from the liquid handcuffs i was just in,but he tore me down so quickly i gotten so sick i couldn't take it,so he wrote for 2 8mg. Suboxone a day..except thia time i was aware of what i was getting myself into...so i thought. All that did was throw me into the worst withdrawl ever! So a weekend goes by and i quit takin the damn pills,once again he writes for subutex. I'm in full blowen w.d's because my insurance needs a prior auth. And the doc is closed on the weekend!! So here i sit on Saturday feeling as if I'm going to die. I feel as if I'm moments away from going to cop that Detroit's finest...ughhhh i wish it were easier for us to get off drugs as it was to get on.. i just keep tellin myself i only have to be sick this last time, you only have to be sick one time. Just for today right?
so suboxone would help alleviate symptoms of methadone w/d (15mg) >> is it possible to get off meth with subs short term>>my w/ds seem to be jus being prolonged tryin it this way everytime i try to jus stop taking sub i feel horrible even tho its been 10 days since my last meth dose >>> i had to take 2/3rds of a half of an 8Mg sub jus to function .....HELP
Correction: I wanted to clarify, are there any success stories from people who took subs "Long Term" and managed to taper and have managable wds?
Ok, this is starting to freak me out. I had a scrip for subs (given 16mg a day but took no more than 4mg a day) for about a year, but I was shooting 240mg of OC every paycheck, and the two days after, then takin the subs to hold over till payday. (Yeah I was a genius) Went to rehab, used, went to another rehab, got three weeks clean. Came home, depression got worse and started using. I started dating a girl who was really supportive and helped me quit shootin up, but after six more months of me takin subs, she left. I'm working on doing this and I'm trying to kick from 2mg a day. It's been roughly 30 hours and I just feel a little sore and irritable. Is there ANYONE out there who managed to wean off subs relatively pain and trauma free? anyone? Idk if there's a little discomfort and emotional baggage, that's the nature of the beast. But it would be really nice to hear a couple success stories and maybe some taper schedules, I want to do this, and I want to feel confident going in. I can't really call in to work.
I am twenty five yrs old and I have been on lordtabs for three yrs my doctor couldve warned me of the serious addiction it would cause butto late for that. I am sooo ready to do anything to not be sick when I'm finished with my script I told my doc I didn't want anymore I have tryed bfor but felt like I was dieing what do u recommend I do thank you.
I have been taking Sub's for 3 months. I started taking them as my doc suggested it was easier to come off of methadone, however in the past I have come off of Methadone twice. Both times had extreme w/d but was managed with Benzo's and weed and after about 3 weeks of extreme w/d's it got better but not entirely obviously as I'm still fighting the fight now with Sub's. Both times on Methadone a did not use at all and stayed clean for 2 years or more after each time of coming off of methadone. I dropped the program and thought I was home free. That was try #1. Then try number two went almost the same way but followed with treatment and a better program I stayed off for again 2 years. I then started to expierence bad pain again which is what got me into trouble with opiates in the first place. I went to a Doc to tell him of the pain I was having and what I could do. He without question prescribed me 120 Dilly 4's and sent me on my way. I got as far as the car and by the grace of god I found myself standing back in the Doc's office returning the script and telling him I think this is a bad choice and he even knew my whole history with opiates in the past. He then suggested Methadone which of course I was skeptical of taking b/c of how hard it was to come off but i was having seriously bad pain and it was preventing me from having well bedroom time with my girlfriend and that in itself was embarrassing as I am only 32. So of course I agreed to the Meth again in a desperate attempt to rid the pain and prevent having to tell my girlfriend about the real reason why i have been so fridged. Anyhow that was in May and I tapered down and then went onto Sub`s but I am now trying to come off the sub`s my doc is giving me other meds to help with the restlessness and nausea and all the other fun stuff that goes with w/d's but this time its different. My emotions are all over the place I'm depressed and the anxiety that comes out of no where sometimes is almost worse than the actual w/d so I keep dragging it out making myself sick for 4 days or so then taking another half then 4 more days and so on. I'm starting to feel as though staying on the sub's longterm is a better idea than torturing myself the way I am or at least that is how I feel. Maybe the time to come off isn't now or maybe there is never a right time to do this either way I feel helpless and hopless most days and feel as though my doc has just left it up to me to fiqure out what works best for me but at the same time I feel this is the only thing he can actually do anyhow as he has never been through this. I'm hoping someone can comment on the deprression and anxiety and if it gets better or if its not normal or really any suggestions would be great if you can in fact find a question amoung my rambling. Thanks
I want everyone in this discussion to know how much I loved all their stories. I was looking for information for my son about suboxin and I read everyone of them. I loved all the pros and cons for this drug. You all have given me an abundance of knowledge and something to work with. My son has a hard road ahead of him and I will be coming back here for thoughts and comments, so I can help guide him to a drug free, happy life. I appreciate all of you so much and will pray for all of us to recover. Love, Stephie
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