suboxone withdrawal question (simple version)

[j157]

I have been on suboxone for 3 years. I decided to quit, I quit cold turkey and haven't any for 45 days, 40 days were in withdrawal. Anways, after 40 days of withdrawal (45 days clean), I was still feeling like crap, altough not as bad as when I first quit (residual withdrawals maybe). Anways, I relapsed, what i'm wondering is if i'm back at square 1 because of the relapse? like if don't do anymore except for this one relapse, will it be like how it was on day 1 when I first started to quit and have to start over and repeat the whole process.

ps- although I don't believe this matters because no matter what dose I quit at the withdrawals are still the same, when I quit originally I was on 12mg, my relapse today was 4mg.

[DamnedSoul]

Hey man im in day 21 off subs and my story is diff than others. I had been on em long term starting with the 'oh so smart doctors' starting me off with 2 8mg subs a day. I have always had strong willpower and already knew i wouldnt need that much. But long story short when i quit i had been taking .031 mgs of of a sub(taking 1/32 which is a tiny spec). I had quit subs before after 6 months(doc wanted to re-enter me in program for $$ because i made the 1 month over prescribed and doc recommmended ammt last me 6 months. I wasnt paying no more noney so i quit. The withdrawal only lasted 6 days max(pill form). This time i was strips. Last 2 weeks i tapered down more. I had NO IDEA what long term bullcrap this turned in to. I thought a week and it was over. I was wrong.
I had about a 64th of 1 8mg sub left. On day 11 i got sick of the chills so i took it. I normally have to keep under tounge for hours, but with my willpower i told myself spit it out after 30 mins. I have never got messed up or high from subs before. Heard ppl do em to get high and i always said thats not how it works u cant get high. Well that little tiny piece(same size as the last day i took em and the week before) got me high as hell. I was even itching. I was pissed at myself for taking it after it did that. I only wanted that little piece to help the rest of the 'half life' wds become more managable(had to work was broke and starving).
So imo i dont think that one day hurt me that much in the long run, but i would def not do it again if i was u.
DOCTORS ARE MORONS SUBS SHOULD ONLY B USED 2 WEEKS MAX AS A TAPER PROGRAM. NOT A SUBSTITUE FOR ANOTHER ADDICTION.
side note on how stupid doctors are, they took 6 monts from my moms life from trying to beat cancer. She went in multi times saying 'im being choked' . Doc wasted her time and out her on anti inflammatory meds, then acid reflux and then to thr dam ENT center. Nothing found and got worse
She wss forced to hospital for x ray and undiagnosed large mass is in her chest. Her chest was blue from the mass cutting circulation off from the main vessel that returns blood to the heart. the ppp at cancer center was amazed that dumb doctor i hate with a passion didnt immediatley send her for x rays when she first said she was choking.
By thr time it was found and treated it progressed to much and wrapped around the vessel and couldnt b removed. Cancer spread and hit her pancreas and it destroyed me mom.
If the doctor was smart those 6 months could have been her chance to beat cancer from doing what it did and b removed.
Whoever reads this just know ur intuition and willpower is most often right over the doctor. PLZ DO NOT TAKE SUBOXONE LONG TRRM U WILL REGRET IT. IT IS WASTING MY LIFE AND MY PATIENCE IS VERY THIN. I WANT TO GO TO GYM SO BAD BUT CANT. IVE LOST SO MUCH WEIGHT AND FOR SLIM DUDES THAT IS A REAL MENTAL HURT.

[salsinator]

Thanks Sara.  I definitely look for the suboxone questions the most.  Been super busy lately - getting ready to travel again tomorrow and tons in October, but I try and check in at least once a day.  Keep well.

[dominosarah]

Thanks Salsinator!!  I was hoping you would show your face on here!!    sara

[salsinator]

Hi J - I probably don't know your doc because I never lived in the city that you do, but I would never mention my doc on here either.  If you were going to be back at square 1, you would start to feel some minor withdrawal after 48 hours or so, but I highly doubt it.  Even though I went through a medical detox and was only on 2mg when I stopped, it still took me a good month to feel like myself.  Don't knock it though, you will be fine.  Keep posting, even if you feel like crap.  There are a few others on here with lots of sub experience, we all learn from each other.

[j157]

ha salsinator i'm willin to bet $100 you know what doctor I go to as well, I mean i'd rather not mention his name on public forum though, hopin you feel the same. Ya agree though, it has been 45 days, I find it hard to believe i'm back to square one. I hear most people have withdrawal for like 2-3 weeks roughly then some residuals, I'm 90% sure I was on the residual part, like I said i'm scared crapless of havin to repeat that whole 45 days thing. This doesn't mean i'm not open to anymore educated guesses however lol.

[salsinator]

Hi j157,  Welcome to the forum.  I was on suboxone for nearly 4 years and like you I was done and wanted to quit.  However, I had experienced withdrawal from suboxone before, so when I decided to quit, I planned a taper and then went through a detox program that lasted a little over a week.  Suboxone withdrawal is not fun and quitting cold turkey at 12mg would have been very difficult - so I feel for you.  While I can't directly answer your question on you being back at square 1 after taking 4mg, from my experience with sub, I would have to say probably not.  Since sub is a partial agonist, if only taken short term - or just once like in your case, you would probably not suffer much, if any, withdrawal.  After 30 days clean, your brain is well on its way to being reset with natural endorphins as well, so you are probably OK.  While a relapse is a relapse, in my opinion, it would be better to do it with sub - as you really don't get much of a high - just maybe feel a little better.  I am from AZ, very familiar with the area you live in too - so lots of respect for your decision to quit being in school.  Are you working an aftercare program - like any kind of support groups or therapy?  this will help you deal with the issues that may have caused you to abuse opiates to begin with.  Keep working and moving forward, you are in the right place.  Most of all, keep posting on your progress.  All the best!

[j157]

I've been on it for 3 years. I'm in school and can think better when i'm not on opiates, regardless of whether or not i'm high on that exact moment, and that means a higher GPA I just wanted to quick cold turkey this summer and get my head together. Yes I do have a prescription for them. I also don't trust my doctor, and the only other doctor who practices this kind of medicine is an hour away, and with my schedule I don't have time to see him. Any "answers" or "educated guesses" would be aprreciated.

-info: 3 years on suboxone, 12mg/day

-why I want off: I feel it's supressive to my emotions
                      I can perform better academically
                      sex is better
                      it costs money
                      I can do this all day.
                        

[janet19]

I am wondering the same thing. Why did you not taper off? How long have you been suboxone and do you have a prescription for it?

[j157]

I'm basically wondering if continuing my interrupted soberity will put me back into acute withdrawal, even though that relapse came after being off suboxone for 45 days. more opinions are plently welcome, i'm worried sick about this as I did feel better (although not 100%, more like 70%) after taking the suboxone. If anyone is wondering what kind of logic made me take that 1 suboxone, just shoot me a PM.

[chronicmistake]

Why did you quit cold turkey?  It just seem like tapering on Sub is so important under your doctors care.  I don't think your going to start at square one with WD but mentally I think you will crave the drug more now that you reintroduced the drug into your system.  You can feel really bad for months coming off Sub.  Are you seeing a doctor for your feelings of depression and possible P.A.W.S? Why did you not taper under doctors care? If not you really should because there is no reason to suffer mentally as much as you seem to be.  I think next time you are feeling bad it is not a good idea to use Sub as a science experiment to see if it makes you feel better.  Of course Your going to feel better with your DOC or a med such as sub or meth is attaching to opiate receptor sites.  You are just putting yourself at risk for going back to the Sub.  Good luck.

[bmdad]

I posted to your first post. By the way, you can find the health pages on the upper right hand side of the page. Just search through until you see the title P.A.W.S or post accute withdrawal syndrome. I would also recommend checking out the amino acid protocol and start taking the supplements listed.