Trazodone for Opiate Withdrawal

[Anhedonio]

I feel like a whiner after reading some of the posts here.

I am a chronic pot smoker of 30+ years (as well as abusing opiates with increasing frequency). As I get older, the detriment is outweighing the benefits. Pot is harder to find, poor quality or outrageously expensive. Unfortunately, I have turned to occasional heroin use as an alternative, going through cycles of use/withdrawal almost every few weeks. To combat the after effects I have been taking Vicodin (in the absence of having pot to smoke) for about two weeks steadily (max 8 5/500s, min 3 per day).

I need to break out of this cycle before I face more dire consequences. I'm already facing nausea, sweating, and other discomfort.

My questions are: Could lack of smoking be exacerbating my discomfort from the other drugs (i.e. should I find some pot, deal with the opiates, and work on the pot addiction later)?

I have heard of Trazodone prescribed for cocaine withdrawal. Is there any benefit in helping with opiates?

I'm really tired of drugs being the focus of my life, and would like to change while I still have some life left to enjoy, but after all these years, question my ability to do so. I am not at all religious, and don't like the idea of any of this 12 step ****.

It has helped a lot reading this board and seeing I'm not alone, but it hasn't got my foot out the door. Any advice would be appreciated. James

[lilbecca]

i'm new to this i hopr your still around to answer my question i'm an heroin addict i've been snorting about 7 or 8 small bags a day for about a yr now i'm ready to quit 'i'm going to quit i have 6 399mg ativan capsules and 4 or5 triazidone will they help get me thru the first few days i also have 3 8mg suboxone and a little pot  will this help is it ok to take the ativan and triazidone together then take the suboxone last

[Muwalker]

I'm addicted to benzos AND pain pills. For chronic pain and insomnia. But it's gotten out of hand. My doc is tapering me off the benzos first. Nightmare drugs. So my question is, how can u use the Thomas recipe but avoid the benzos? Once I'm off those hellacious drugs I'd prefer never to be on them ever again!

[bo_jackson]

You started taking heroin, to cope with kicking pot?? Are you kidding me?

Pots like the lightest drug, and heroin is the most life destroying addictive drug.

[IamRightTherWithYou]

steveies

No one but yourself is to blame.. Doctors are not all evil.. i don't know your Doc, so i may be sadly mistaken.. but pain doctors are not evil..  usually someone getting meds from a pain doc will Hate there pain doc because when you take to many you want them to give you more.. WRONG that's the definition of abuse..( BUT,  if the doctor didn't get you comfortable and you always ran out early from the beginning and he didn't change the regiment, THATs a bad pain doctor)  if you must be on pain meds you must find the comfort zone which will take a month at least.  Then Lock in the amount and when you take it and never stray from it...  If you try hard enough they will help you on the odd occasion that you make a mistake. i learned the hard way and i said everything you said until i realized no.. its me i'm in control and i have to take the meds as prescribed or i shouldn't be taking them at all..

[IamRightTherWithYou]

wow, i'm a chronic pain patient for 5 years now i'm on 150 mic of fentnyl and 24 oxcodones a day with 6 1mg lerazapams a day.

none of you should be on anything other then marijuana.  Unless you have a serious condition .. It's pricey to but hey benzo's are more dangerous to get addicted to because you don't go through immediate withdrawal.   it will hit you with a seizure a week or even 2 weeks after you stop and you can die..  so please guys..  you want to detox, thank god..  but go to a docter, he will set it up for you.. do not try it on your own .. do NOT try it on your own.... DO NOT TRY TO DETOX ON YOUR OWN.

it's not illegal.

it's private.

no one has to know about it..

go get connected with a professional doc he will point you to a detox center and monitor whats going ..


you may need rehab after words..  don't be a afraid or embarrassed it's all ok...  if you relaps just do it again..  it will work at some point..

take yourself out of the loop with the people doing anything other then pot..  

just stay away from them..  they have more power over you especially once your addicted..  it's out of your control once you become addicted and your chillin with a dude slangin dope or(slinging)  slangin sounds better.

get away don't answer the phone lock your door and pretend you are not home get those people out of your life..  drugs are the socialite steroid..  Any interaction with another person can seem better on any drug..   SO don't go there .. if you are there go to rehab and erase the phone numbers and move to a different location.. start over ... or you don't have a chance.


PS: rehab and detox is nothing at all like celeb rehab on VH1

in fact that show puts people lives in danger and people have died at that very recovery center with Dr. Drew as the head Doc..  so it's nothing like that.


any questions cus i have a lifetime of info and more to say

[steveies]

I have been using vicodin 5, 7.5, and 10 mg pills for a few years now for low back pain/problems.  I have also taken them just for the fun of it.  I have gone through the WD more then a few times.  Some of those times, feeling very emotional, crying about things I have done and said to my children while wanting more.  I must admit, I do enjoy taking them.  Let's face it, they are fun to take.  They make watching paint dry fun.  But the fun part seems to have faded.  I taken them to feel normal mostly.  I have found that I can taper down rather quickly now, almost in a couple days.  I get the aches, sweats, you name it.  But I have started taking kolopoin which has helped with the emotions, my biggest downfall.  But I have taken a different mind set towards it lately.  I am not blaming the drug compaines or docs for my problem.  But I tell myself while I am withdrawling, "you mother f**ckers are not going to get rich of my addiction and misery.  I can beat you and I will beat you.  My will and desire to quit is stronger then your desire to make money off me."  Soul search a little, there is NOTHING stronger then the human spirit, which we all have tucked away within us.  We are all human and we can be as strong as we need to be.  You have to dig down deep, put up your fists, and fight like a person on a mission.  NO MORE.  You will not beat me no matter how bad I feel.  You make me feel bad, I laugh at your attempt to keep me in your grip.  Your pills got nothing on me.  End of story.  Everyone can win this fight.

[blueice6542]

you need to post your question as anew posting this posting here is very old. not many people will read your question to post it all you have to do is look at the top and you will see post a question. post this there and you should get more reply's

[buddyholly021]

Hey, I'm new to the forum and I have been abusing opiates for several years. I started with oxycontins then progressed to herion. I have kicked chasing the dragon and am back on Oc's but trying to kick them as well. I have tried everything from cold turkey to self medicating with other "recipes" but my biggest problem is with muscle tremors and feeling like I have to constantly move my arms and legs. I don't know what to do about it, it keeps me from relaxing during the day and from falling asleep at night. Help Please!

[RayBay138]

I am an addict; but recently decided my family is much more important than these dang pills I've been taking. I've been using Oxy's 40's and 80's, Morphine of various mg's up to 120mg. I used for @ a year at a minimum of 160mg of Oxy's a day in combo with Morphine and the odd Perc or Tab. I once used 400mg of Morphine @ one time. (prob should've technically died) Anyway I have been clean now for 7 days COLD TURKEY!! I have had all the same withdrawls that every other user on here has had. It ha been the hardest thing I have ever done. Now it's the brain thing! (ya gotta have it cravin) I Have used nothing for discomfort except Tylenlol and my wife counts it every day, She takes my car keys to work with her and I sure ain't riding my Motorcylce in this cold A@@ weather to find a pill!!!!!
All I can say is SUPPORT/SUPPORT/SUPPORT! If ya ain't got it I can't see ya making it.
Now if I could just come off these dang PEPSI's I'd be allllllll Righttttt!!!

RAyBay

[acutelilmiss]

I have read every single post on this page and they're all great.  It's really nice to know there's other people out there addicted to opiates, GOOD people, not your run of the mill street walking addict.  I started taking Vicodin about a year ago.  A emergicare dr gave me a bottle for a minor pain and that was all it took.  The first time I took it I realized how friendly and loving it made me.  I wasn't cranky and things that would usually send me off the deep end didn't bother me in the least.  After that first Rx started getting low I went to my normal doctor with complaints of joint pain and so forth.  He wouldnt give me what I wanted so I switched doctors.  The new doctor I saw wouldn't give me any either so I just kept going to the emergicare that gave me the first Rx.  After going to them for 3 more bottles they said no more.  Before I ran out of the last prescription I ended up having a minor surgery on my ear and to my surprise the ear dr that I had never seen before gave me 90 vicodin and 60 oxycodone.  A few days ago I ran out of both and now have no where to get any.  I had a few Talwin at my house left over from something a long time ago so when I ran out of my drug of choice I swallowed them.  Now however, I am out of everything with no way to get any...Guess that means it's time to quit.  I never took massive amounts of anything, my stomach couldn't handle it but I have been on them daily for about a year straight.  I never took more than three 7.5mg vicodin a day and never more than two 5mg oxy's a day..(never at the same time)  I guess my question is do I need to worry about withdrawl?  This will be my first day in over a year with no pain pills in my system.  I'm terrified of what's coming.  

One last thought.  For a long time I thought this was my fault.  I figured "normal" people didn't get addicted to drugs that doctors give them.  They wouldnt prescribe them if people would get addicted, right?  NOT SO MUCH!!  While I still blame myself, I should have been stronger and stopped before it got to this but I also blame the doctors who would rather throw pain pills at you to get you out of their office than listen to you...And when people DO get addcited to the pills THEY prescribed, THEY don't want any part of it.  The drs I've dealt with will give you NOTHING for withdrawl yet won't give you any pain pills either.  Somehow, someway, I think these ******* doctors should be held partially responsible.

Thanks for any advice you may give.
~ The weakling

[stashall]

Appreciated your insights.  Trying again to get off oxycodone and alcohol, know to stay away from tylenol, think I can stop drinking, but the withdrawal is so horrible when I've tried in the past - take alot of oxycodone (no tylenol in it) - chew it/shouldn't - guess my question is, if I switch to just methadone, with some willpower can this plan possibly work?  If so, how many milagrams a day weaning down and for how many days?  And, is it ok to still take some xanax to help me sleep or temazepam instead?  In bad shape, losing everything, want my life back and will even attend meetings, walk, take hot showers - any advice would be most appreciated by you or happy to give advice or warnings or just chat with you all.  Best wishes.

[worried878]

It would be a good idea to post a new question to bring attention to your post as this an old thread...first off...quit snorting them tho...there is a great tapering article in the health pages as well....keep posting

[kcjones727]

Hello. My name's Kacey. I just recently decided to stop taking roxy and oxycontin. I'm young, only 20. In high school I expiramented with all sorts of things but in the end, I only kept smoking cigs, drinking, and smoking pot...until recently. I moved back to Florida and I got this new job, telemarketing (haha), started meeting people...and shortly thereafter...I was offered a "roxy". I had no idea what it was, just a pain pill was all I knew. Not long afterwards, I started taking them regularly. I am at a point where I take between 1 and a half - 3 roxys (30mg) or take an oxy (80), and half of a roxy every day. The worst part is, I snort them. I've recently ruined, or &@#$ near came close to ruining, a lot of relationships with family and friends b/c of my drug addiction. I am getting methadone to help with the withdrawls, but I was wondering if anyone had advice on how to stop the restless leg/insomnia feeling. The muscle and back pain isn't fun to deal with either. I think I am going to try at least a few of these things in your recipe to help reduce the severity of the withdrawals. If you could let me know anything at all, it would be much appreciated.  You can email me : ***@**** , myspace me: myspace.com/kaceyfuckinweaver ,or call me 727-657-5919. You seem like a smart guy and I am willing to try to do anything to make things right with my family again, and to kick my roxy habbit. Thanks so much. -kcjones-

[cure777]

why was the last message posted, dated 2007.  Where is everyone?

[jess99]

i am addicted to nubain its a drug used by bodybuilders however i am not a body builder my husband is. i had surgery in september and was in alot of pain and my husband started giving me nubain shots. Now i want to stop and i feel like i cant i am so scared,afraid and tired of feeling like this i have never used drugs or been addicted to anything now my kids are losing there mother to drugs. I feel like my life is not worth living anymore

[slideshow]

The APAP will kill you, STOP taking them by the handul, or your liver could ultimately "fail".

[djpurity]

Stop taking so many vicodin per day!  Do you have any clue about the amount of tylenol (acetomentaphen) that is in those pills??  Do you know how toxic they are to the liver?  Your liver will be destroyed and you will die from a tylenol overdose before you die from any opiate overdose.

Percocets have a lot of tylenol too.

THE AVG ADULT should never take more than 4000-5000 mg of tylenol per day.  If I take 5000 mg of it within 24 hours I begin to throw up and get toxic poisoning from the tylenol.  Granted, most addicts that take 20 pills, each vicodin on avg having 500 mg acetometaphen (CHECK YOUR PILL BOTTLE), that's 10,000 mg of tylenol a DAY, double the toxic avg adult dose! - granted, as an addict you work your way up to a dose that high, so your liver may be compensating and all that, but keep in mind you are blasting it into death.

Combine it with alcohol and you will likely die.  Right there.  No kidding!

READ on acetometaphen poisoning... aka tylenol on the net.  Or ask your dr or pharmacist.  I was put in a ER hospital because I took too much tylenol once... taking tylenol PM to try to sleep through opiate WD pain.  I was throwing up all over the place, bile everywhere.  It was so terrible.  Pounding headache, toxic feeling, inability to move.... it hits you suddenly and you can't turn back.  You will have to go to an ER and they will have to stabalize your liver.

[djpurity]

You want an easy way to detox from a short acting opiate (like vicodin, heroin, morphine, etc...).  Try going to a licensed dr who can prescribe either SUBOXONE or SUBUTEX.  This is the easiest and best way to withdrawal from an opiate.

The key to using it is you must be experiencing the beginning part of withdrawal.  You cannot take it before then or it really hurts your system.  I know from experience!  It sucks!  But if you take it at the correct time, it is a miracle drug!  You will feel NO OPIATE WITHDRAWAL and be given energy and be feeling mostly normal, although if you are an addict you will be disappointed at how boring normal is at first and may have to adjust.  You usually take about 5-7 days worth of this medicine (acitve ingredient: buprenorphine) and taper last two days.  Then you are normal.

It is expensive.  I have a supply always at the pharmacy for in case I get addicted again.  Otherwise I will just find ways to stay addicted because I hate withdrawal pains so badly, like EVERYONE.  I can't take them, the insomnia, the cold sweating, the chills, the nausea and then the huge increase in adrenaline....

You can get hooked on Suboxone/Subutex because it is an opiate itself.  It isn't a rough wd, I've done it from suboxone once, and it was like 2-4 weeks of misery but not rapid or severe like heroin.

ALSO: To the original poster: If you are taking opiates because you can't get pot/weed, then I suggest relocating to a state where medical marijuana is LEGAL.  It is legal where I live (CALIFORNIA) and I have a script.  I can have great weed any time I want, although I don't like pot myself so I never have any.  But they prescribe it for... OPIATE WD!!  And also: harm reduction!  And the pot is good, decent.  I have used it to come off of my suboxone and it made it a lot easier.  And I used it to come off of heroin once too, and it made it hella easier.  So don't take vicodin in place of weed, take weed in place of vicodin!  Your system will thank you!  Withdrawals are rough on your system, every time you do it just is like a total system shock. People who relapse over and over like myself are causing themselves a lot of brain trauma.

It takes the brain about 90 days to recover back to a semi-working state after WD.  It takes over a year to be 100% from drugs like methadone and oxycontin, which are both considered "long half life opioids" where heroin, hydrocodone, morphine are "short half life opioids." :-)

[henrym]

answered my own question, yes you can drink but might not get the fast effects.But still want to know if anyone has tryed it ? and how it helped you

[freezing]

Thanks.  Sorry about your knees.  Really.

[henrym]

Hi everyone, Just wanted to know if any of you have tryed naltrexione.(a blocker)I am currently on this for oxy & Herion Did know if you can have any kind of alchol?

[jpkoz]

Hey, I know it's tough man.  Methadone is very similar to oxycontin in the regard that it is designed to stay in your system for a much longer period of time,  When I detoxed the last time the doc. wasn't really sure if it would take 5, 7 or 10 days.  Believe me the detox was nothing compared to what I have gone through mentally for me it's a real ***** I hate the drugs but they are constantly on my mind and that it what eats me up.  I haven't been able to do this without support and believe me all the screwed up things I done to alot of people.  It's amazing that there are people willing to help.  But You really have to want to quit for yourself.  I still go through post withdrawls which Im told is brought on by stress.  skin crawls chills sweats etc.  it dosen't happen all the time but I try to deal with it when it happens,  my sleeping is still screwed up and I haven't had dope for awhile.  I really want to stay clean.  and it's the hardest thing I've ever delt with in my life.  The only drug I take now is motrin,  It's to the point I don't even like taking those.  I live in pain,  zero cartalidge left in my knees and awaiting knee replacement but I am not ready for that,  because of fear of the drugs.  once an addict always an addict.  hang in there things get better.

[brideofchucky]

3 weeks ago i done a 5 day detox for detoxing of methadone with naltrexone. I have not had one craving! but the withdrawls were pretty bad but getting better. I was given trazadone it did help me sleep but i didn't like it as it made me feel worse, so my DR gave me mild sleepers which have worked better. All the stories on hthis board have made me feel alot better knowing i'm not the only one in the world going thru this, which i'm sure people will understand. THANKS!

[brideofchucky]

If anyone would like to e-mail me to talk my address is- ***@****