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UPDATE-9 DAYS 23 HOURS
Well i am entering my 11th day from 55mgs vics day 3+ years
still sneezing...lethargic...im getting some urgese but nothing huge.....heres whats plaguing me right now.....IM UNMOTIVATED!
NO MOTIVATION TO DO ANYTHING AND I CANNOT FUNCTION AT WORK AND IM A SALESMAN THT WORKS OFF COMISSION!
I DONT KNOW ANYMORE.....I KNOW THAT I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO PILLS, BUT I JUST DONT SEE LIGHT AT THE END OF THIS TUNNEL FOR ME!
still sneezing...lethargic...im getting some urgese but nothing huge.....heres whats plaguing me right now.....IM UNMOTIVATED!
NO MOTIVATION TO DO ANYTHING AND I CANNOT FUNCTION AT WORK AND IM A SALESMAN THT WORKS OFF COMISSION!
I DONT KNOW ANYMORE.....I KNOW THAT I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO PILLS, BUT I JUST DONT SEE LIGHT AT THE END OF THIS TUNNEL FOR ME!
Opiods ARE currently being used for long term treatment. In fact, there is no ceiling dose that you can reach. As your body acclimates to the dosage, you move up the next level. Most of you were at a level when you quit that if a normal person started at that level...they may have had a heart attack. There is a doctor who has written books (free to the public) about intracted pain. Pain that will not go away, and is long term chronic. Sometimes, it is from cancer...other times an accident or birth defect. He has successfully treated patients and has many that have been on opiods for more than 20 years. The bottom line is that opioids ARE the number 1 treatment for pain. There is NOTHING else that works as well. The link is here: http://pain-topics.org/pdf/IntractablePainSurvival.pdf
Secondly, the opiods do to rewire your brain permanently. Because you are receiving chemicals from the drugs you take, your brain stops or minimally produces them. Then, when you quit taking the drugs, your brain is like "what is going on" and you feel terrible (withdrawal) because your brain has to try and play catchup again. It can take several months to regulate your chemicals again, in your brain. And if you ARE suffering from depression or anxiety, this chemical imbalance can actually get worse. My guess (based on what I've read here) is that many of you are on or should be on some sort of SSRI medication...that the vico/lortabs/norcos were actually helping you with your depression.
Naughty, you need to do your research before you just jump on here and make statements like that. It's not productive for you or anyone on here. Your brain chemicals will eventually catch up, and your body will regulate. But it will take TIME...but bull...you can do this.
Secondly, the opiods do to rewire your brain permanently. Because you are receiving chemicals from the drugs you take, your brain stops or minimally produces them. Then, when you quit taking the drugs, your brain is like "what is going on" and you feel terrible (withdrawal) because your brain has to try and play catchup again. It can take several months to regulate your chemicals again, in your brain. And if you ARE suffering from depression or anxiety, this chemical imbalance can actually get worse. My guess (based on what I've read here) is that many of you are on or should be on some sort of SSRI medication...that the vico/lortabs/norcos were actually helping you with your depression.
Naughty, you need to do your research before you just jump on here and make statements like that. It's not productive for you or anyone on here. Your brain chemicals will eventually catch up, and your body will regulate. But it will take TIME...but bull...you can do this.
i agree that these meds are not meant for long term, but you dont post in recovery forums about how you might never fully feel normal again!
THATS THE LAST THING AN ADDICT WHO IS TRYING TO RECIVER WANTS TO HEAR!
LIKE....WHY IS IT WORTH IT TO STAY CLEAN? SHT LIKE THAT WILL MAKE PEOPL WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS STRT TO POP PILLS AGAIN
LAST THING WE NEED ON HERE IS NEGATIVITY!
THATS THE LAST THING AN ADDICT WHO IS TRYING TO RECIVER WANTS TO HEAR!
LIKE....WHY IS IT WORTH IT TO STAY CLEAN? SHT LIKE THAT WILL MAKE PEOPL WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS STRT TO POP PILLS AGAIN
LAST THING WE NEED ON HERE IS NEGATIVITY!
This takes time to get back...and as much as we all hate to hear that...it is the truth..Nauty is right Bull...these meds were never meant for long term use...that is one of the first things i learned a few years ago when i started researching and freaking out about how to get off of them...I googled and searched and read...the medical community should be well aware of this but as you and I both know..they hand them out like candy...but...we have 2 choices..fight...give up...you are not a quitter and I can hear it when you YELL..in your posts..LOL...BUT i feel your ANGER..I have it too...don't be mad..it;s not gonna help..
You are probably feeling bored because you're used to feeling Jacked-Up on Vics.
You're comparing your present 'sober' life to how you felt when you were high, and you obviously don't like it. That is a sign of an addict in dire straits.
As you probably already know, when it comes to pain pills the dose has to keep increasing to get the same high as before.
As such, you can't maintain the highs that you had become accustomed to, unless if you jump-off to more toxic drugs such as percocet, oxycodone, heroin, etc.
So the choice is your's, burn out your life quicker with more toxic drugs ..or try to get used to finding out how wonderful 'normal' living can be. Re-learning how to live without drugs, and NA can help you with that. Please choose the latter.
Best choices to you!
-Vic
You're comparing your present 'sober' life to how you felt when you were high, and you obviously don't like it. That is a sign of an addict in dire straits.
As you probably already know, when it comes to pain pills the dose has to keep increasing to get the same high as before.
As such, you can't maintain the highs that you had become accustomed to, unless if you jump-off to more toxic drugs such as percocet, oxycodone, heroin, etc.
So the choice is your's, burn out your life quicker with more toxic drugs ..or try to get used to finding out how wonderful 'normal' living can be. Re-learning how to live without drugs, and NA can help you with that. Please choose the latter.
Best choices to you!
-Vic
Why are you o "negative" do you think its helpfull to the people on this forum to read the sht you write? "oh ahhhh this drug wasnt intended for long term and now your brain is re wired and you might NEVER feel normal"
GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS SHT!
WE DONT WANNA FCKN HEAR THIS SHT!
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS ADDICTION IS ALL FCKN MENTAL!
WAY TO GO TO HELP ENCOURAGE PEOPLE...DO ME A FAVOR....DONT FCKN POST ANYMORE IN MY THREADS....GOT THT? GOOD!"
FOR ALL THOSE WHO READ WHAT NAUGHTY WROTE.....DONT FCK LISTEN TO HER!
YOU CAN HEAL YOUR ADDICTION WHENEVE RYOU WANT...ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD.....JUST BC SOME PEOPLE ARE FCKD UP MENTALLY DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU ARE!
KEEP TRUCKIN!
GET OUT OF HERE WITH THIS SHT!
WE DONT WANNA FCKN HEAR THIS SHT!
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS ADDICTION IS ALL FCKN MENTAL!
WAY TO GO TO HELP ENCOURAGE PEOPLE...DO ME A FAVOR....DONT FCKN POST ANYMORE IN MY THREADS....GOT THT? GOOD!"
FOR ALL THOSE WHO READ WHAT NAUGHTY WROTE.....DONT FCK LISTEN TO HER!
YOU CAN HEAL YOUR ADDICTION WHENEVE RYOU WANT...ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD.....JUST BC SOME PEOPLE ARE FCKD UP MENTALLY DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU ARE!
KEEP TRUCKIN!
I saw tyrosine at walmart the other day....i am close to 5 months and i am pretty sure i have my energy back and motivation...took a while tho....a good 3 months for me...after a month or so i thought i would lose my job..i am a nurse and run my fanny off...i really took a close look at my vitamin regime...sure i was taking them but really not like i should have been...i went to puritan pride and pumped them up to the recommended dose...which is alot of vitamins...exercise helps...i was so tired after work my workouts were going down the tubes....found that the more i exercise the more energy i have
These drugs were never intended for long-term use. They completely re-wire your brain and you will be lucky to feel "Normal" in a year .....if ever. I am scared to death about this, but whats done is done.........just gotta keep keepin on.......If I had known this before ever taking these meds......I know I could have found pain relief from something else.......I am done crying over spilled milk.......and just getting by day by day.......
The younger you are the better chance. Not for old farts like me......
Nauty..........
The younger you are the better chance. Not for old farts like me......
Nauty..........
yest was a GOOD day for me....today im craving more.....
IM JUST BORED WITH MY LIFE POST VICODIN!
THATS WHATS GETTING ME!
IM ALSO EXTREMELY UN-MOTIVATED AND WHEN IM AT WORK I JUST SURF THE WEB INSTEAD OF MAKING $
IM JUST BORED WITH MY LIFE POST VICODIN!
THATS WHATS GETTING ME!
IM ALSO EXTREMELY UN-MOTIVATED AND WHEN IM AT WORK I JUST SURF THE WEB INSTEAD OF MAKING $
Bull--do you feel ANY better than yesterday. I didn't have siesures this morning from Xanax w/ds--Hang in there
IM BORED!
BORED!
BORED!
BORED!
Sobriety is Noble and Respectful, but just flat out BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING
"look at the time....6:45pm lucky me i have 3 booring hours this evening of watching tv with my family to look foward to...yayyyy for me"
BORED!
BORED!
BORED!
Sobriety is Noble and Respectful, but just flat out BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING
"look at the time....6:45pm lucky me i have 3 booring hours this evening of watching tv with my family to look foward to...yayyyy for me"
heres the thing....when i was on vics it never gave me energy! it turned me into a lump of lazy sht...BUT...i was able to function and PARTIALLY motivated......i think it wa sbc i was motivated to get thur the time for my next dose...idk.....
All i do know is that i feel like cracking BIG TIME!
I AM DYING (screaming) for a vicodin!
BUT..........I AM A MAN OF MY WORD AND RATHER DIVE HEAD 1ST INTO A TRUCK THAN POP ANOTHER PILL....
I just got back from my walk and the whole time i was thinking about popping a vicodin! my mind just wont let it go!
MUTHAFCK!
PS: YES THT WAS ME WHO FLUSHD MY STASH
All i do know is that i feel like cracking BIG TIME!
I AM DYING (screaming) for a vicodin!
BUT..........I AM A MAN OF MY WORD AND RATHER DIVE HEAD 1ST INTO A TRUCK THAN POP ANOTHER PILL....
I just got back from my walk and the whole time i was thinking about popping a vicodin! my mind just wont let it go!
MUTHAFCK!
PS: YES THT WAS ME WHO FLUSHD MY STASH
L-Tyrosine is fairly common. Any Health foods store will have it. SamE works really well for depression too.
it will get better....it does take a while...But to be honest i know i never got back that energy...But keep in mind it is false energy which made us keep taking them...That is why alot of people say "what is normal" i think we forget from all the pills...after a couple months i felt normal, and a sort of peace...I realize i didn't have to have a spotless house, or try to be super women...Just take it a little at a time...Excercise ( walking) is the only thing that helped me sooner, and thought i couldn't do it...but once i did , i was so glad...
Then after realizing that i wasn't counting pills to go somewhere, plan vaction, etc....That also gave me peace, and i realized how much time and energy i wasted on the chase...Things will get better, it just takes time
Wishing u luck!!!
r2r
Then after realizing that i wasn't counting pills to go somewhere, plan vaction, etc....That also gave me peace, and i realized how much time and energy i wasted on the chase...Things will get better, it just takes time
Wishing u luck!!!
r2r
No- it is L-Tyrosine- it's part of the Thomas Recipe, but I only use the L-Tyrosine part of it.
Well, I went to the local health food store- I purchased Alive Energizer with all the daily vitamins and minerals plus ingredients for energy. I have a 50 hour a week job, four kids and one seemingly crisis after another- but I can tell you there is no option for me to ever miss a day of work, or not cook a dinner or do a load of laundry- And you are on DAY 9- I concur with every person on here who has said that each person is different and reacts differently- and speaking from experience- I can confirm that after 4 months the energy level never, ever returned for me personally- now I do take into consideration I am over 40 and I account for that- but I can tell you that exercise and water along with L-Tyrosine and multi-vitamins are the ONLY thing that keeps everything still going for me- But the demotivation is (in my humble opinion) the depression that was masked by the drugs. No drugs and now the fog has lifted and you aren't motivated to do anything- lack of motivation can be a sign of depression- but I'm not an expert and everyone's body is different-
But if it makes you feel any better- I have followed your story- I especially rolled on the floor with the one you posted after you got that call from the Dr. and told him what to do with his script.....now that takes WILLPOWER and MOTIVATION to succeed in your endeavors.....so you are inspiring to many and your honesty just bowls me over.....I hope and pray you hang in there. One last comment- didn't you like flush 300 down the toilet???? Talk about motivation- give yourself some credit and pat yourself on the back.
But if it makes you feel any better- I have followed your story- I especially rolled on the floor with the one you posted after you got that call from the Dr. and told him what to do with his script.....now that takes WILLPOWER and MOTIVATION to succeed in your endeavors.....so you are inspiring to many and your honesty just bowls me over.....I hope and pray you hang in there. One last comment- didn't you like flush 300 down the toilet???? Talk about motivation- give yourself some credit and pat yourself on the back.
No that wasnt me who posted about vitamins, although i do recall reading tht post as well......i am drinking vitamin waters, and taking mens once a day vitamins.....lots of water/orange juice
I can totally relate right now I'm on day 8....I have zero motivation and I'm very depressed. I don't even feel like speaking whatsoever. And I answer the phones at my job. It *****...I wish I knew how to help but I do not b/c I am in your shoes....All I can do is to pray for you and me to get through it soon.
bull- weren't you the one who posted out here earlier about the Hi-Energy Vitamins? I'm probably wrong, but I remember reading a post from someone who used the vitamins and I had gone out and bought some and between the vitamins and the L-Tyrosine it was not as bad as without them.
It will come. Little by little. The lack of energy was hard for me too. Its the last thing to come back. Just keep doing what you're doing. You'll be happy that you did. Its hard but try to exercise. I'm sure you're doing that but it does help.
By my third week I wasn't at 100% by I had a lot more energy. Just take your vitamins, aminos, eat well and you WILL get better. You'll see a difference in energy soon.
Good luck!
Melissa
By my third week I wasn't at 100% by I had a lot more energy. Just take your vitamins, aminos, eat well and you WILL get better. You'll see a difference in energy soon.
Good luck!
Melissa
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