Ultram and hydrocodone

[jule1]

Hi everyone I posted a question about two weeks ago but I had to put it in the answer section.  I really need help I have been abusing Ultram and hydros for quite a while I think th e Ultram is the hardest  I ran out the other day and felt horrible and did not sleep at all I had a seizure from taking too much about a month ago.  You would think that would make me stop but so far it has not.  I am feeling so guilty I know I am not the person I could be and the mother and wife I should be.  I have been reading this forum every day for about 2 weeks and I really like what I read you all seem to care and be so honest about everything!  I had called NA and they gave me two names to call one didn't live there and the other linw was disconnected.  Thenk I called a rehab that did not know about Ultram.  Then I called a counselor who also did not know so I really got frustrated.  However sometimes I am so afraid to quit I do have a lot of back pain.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again Cindi and Thomas

[YaBasta]

hey im 18 years old and reebtly hurt my lower back, like you, i was perscribed ultram (tramadol) and my doctor had no idea how addicting it is. i didnt wany to take the pills because ive had a substance abuse problem in the past, but my back was hurting so bad that i had to. i took it 3-4 times a day for 3 months then ran out. i couldnt get another perscription because my doctors office was closed, so i had the worst withdrawels ever experienced. it lasted 6-7 days. hot/ cold sweats, no sleep, anxiety, and i got really angry. when i told my doctor he had no idea that that would happen to me, but still perscibes them to me. im afraid of stopping because i dont know how my back will feel, but next time i do stop, it will NOT be cold turkey. good luck with everyhing!

[Eddie44743]

Ultram works like an anti depressant, only stopping some dopamine reuptake.  Since I had taken Wellburton for years I couldn't really feel much of anything of Ultram, If you want to cut down on any substance that might be addictive to you.  Sometimes substituting helps but the bottom line is you have to use in moderation.  Break your pills in half when ever you can.  After discovering I had Hep C I had to stop drinking and found myself taking Clozapam and Hydrocodone in moderation as a substitute.  I resent being a prisoner to a substance which impairs my ability to do the things I used to do.  One fault with gradually reducing an addictive med is you always find a crisis or pain to fit the need for it.  Soon you can't tell any of it is working, but have to maintain it's use to avoid withdrawl.  Lots of luck to all who at least try even if it is just smoking.

[tdizlle]

Hey , I'm new to this forum and ive been looking for an answer to my question. I am in very bad back pain and was put on vicodin 10's. I have been taking these + oxycotin for quite some time but recently overdose on oxy so i decided it was time to quit that. I am now just taking hydro as prescribed but doesnt seem to help to much. Would i be safe dosing 15-20mg of hydro at one time without having any problems or would there be some risks involved. Please let me know as soon as posible. Thanks

[Wizard]

Sweet Kerrie, you knew that I'd get to you about your post to me. First off everything you said I was going to say to you is exactly right. Don't you ever think that I didn't know you were praying for me even though I didn't see a post from you. NOT TO WORRY! If you read my post above to every one, you know that I see the beauty of this forum. I believe GOD has put us all together here for each other and for newcomers alike. I feel very confident that when one of us is in need there is ALWAYS God to lead one of his "little angels" on this forum to the right place at the right time. If it is not you, it's Angelica or Cin or Milo Or Thomas or Susan and Jenny, so on and so forth. Kerrie my special friend, PLEASE for your sake and mine do not fret! I knew you were thinking of me as I do you! :-) All of us here are special. We come with our own strengths and weaknesses to share with each other. You ARE an "angel" on the board! Stay as you are, and I feel in time your daughter will "come home" to us and get well. I'll keep you and your family in my prayers. God Bless you and yours. May God's Light always shine upon you.
As I wipe my tears of joy from my eyes right now Kerrie, I want to bid you a very good evening.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
luv, Wizard

[Kerrie]

My dear friend and prayer partner. I have just went back into this thread and read the posts from the last few weeks. I can't tell you how brokenhearted I am right now. You have always been here for me and I have been so consumed with everything that I neglegted the very ones that have been here for me through it all. I am so sorry. I'm also grateful to everyone that was here for you. I know what your saying right now. Your going to say I had so much on my mind that you understand. That's the kind of person you are. You are kind and deserve to have someone lift you up when your down. But because you are that kind of person,I know you think I have nothing to be sorry for.But I do feel bad for not knowing you were in a hard place. It's not just addicts that get in that place. I was there because I was so tired of the tests and the pain. I wanted an easy answer. But God in His wisdom and love, revealed to me that there's always a reason for what we go through. You can relate to others about the reality of drug abuse and that joy does return.This trial you went through is for a purpose too. I feel with all my heart God has a place for you in helping others with this disease. I'm hoping my daughter will meet someone like you. Someone who really cares and knows what she's going through. You couldn't help someone else if you didn't know what you know now.
    To you and all my friends here, I may not get to read all the threads, but your all in my prayers everyday and night. You have been such a blessing to me. I have faith my daughter will be alright because there are people like yourselves, that will share your pain to help someone else with theirs. Thank you all.
     love, Kerrie

[Angelica]

Re: june 16 post.....(doing some catching up,here)I noticed you have an anniversary coming up, and mine is right after yours on the 12th....Maybe we can give each other some ideas...What do you do after all these years, anyway?....:flowers, cards eat out??? ): We'll be married 14 years.....I was 19 at the time,and thought it would never last......LOL  Well, anyway Happy early anniversary, and happy 4th!!! Love ya!
Angelica

[Wizard]

Milo my man, do you think it was the cheese? ROFLMAO.......Heeeee Heeeee. DUD errr, Dude, you crack me up!LOL
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on Florida!
Cheese Wiz

[Angelica]

......CINDI LEW!!!eh hem!.....lmao  J.J.
What in the world are ya doing over there...???  Having a blast, I guess.  Have one on me, while your there.  I'm ready to get outta dodge.  Getting a little cabin fever.   How's the beaches?  Trying to get a pool right now, thats about as close to the water as im gonna get.  I'm going to Palm Beach in August, but I won't have access to a computer.....oh, man.  Wish we coulda been down there at the same time.  Did you meet w/ Brighty yet??  Well, keep us posted, and don't do anything I wouldn't do.....Be careful w/ those DUDS??? lmao

[Milo]

Hey, looking above, it looks like Cindi's demoted me from a "hot dude" to a "hot DUD." *Sigh* How quickly it all fades away... :) Milo

[Wizard]

Roflmao! ;-* 2 U Cin. Milo, what's a couple of "hot" dudes like us to do? LOL I think I remember what it was like!
Power & Magick 2U all,
Wiz

[cindi]

Yep....being HOT is a difficult job but somone has to do it.....LOL  Love ya   cin

[jennyfla]

Baaahaaaa, you guys!!!!!!
Thanks for the giggle!
Lv Jenny

[Milo]

Hi Cindi! Glad to hear you're having a good time. So I'm a "hot dude" now, hm? Just another burden, but I struggle through somehow! :)

[cindi]

ep we had a helluva storm,,,a tornado in LeHiegh acres,,,or somewhere,,,,,but hey, I still feel like I'm over the rainbow..this place is awesome....and yep,,,the hot dudes.....but Hey jenny,,,,they are not half as hot as our guys right here,    Cheese Wiz, thomas, JB, Milo, skipper,and all the rest of these fine boys of ours  LOL   HI guys......

[skipper]

Wizard;
More about what i was say in my post to you yesterday. it seems the 2 resechers who discovered secondary abstinence syndrome were funded by the hazelden foundation (you know the suposed  best treatment center in the world, that hazeden) this suprisese me because so much "bad science" in the field  of addiciction has been
associated with this foundation. anyway this praticular study also
discovered a suprisesing rise in endorphins right before a relapse.
i would have thought it would be the opposite. guess this whole pain/addiction issue is about striking some sort of balence. anyhow
hang in there,"trudge the road to happy destiny." My own detox expierment isn't going as well. My wife was quite unhappy with me
taking the hydro codone. she hates the way i act on it. to her (my
wife) i'm no where near as obnoxious as when i take oxy. figure that one out.(i thought i was a rearl sweatheart on either.) such a strange condition (disease) we are afflected with. i must end this post as my fingers feel as if they are made out of wood. the jones
on this oxy contin stuff is almost as bad morphine or heroine. i may have to take some oxy tomarrow as i have to go to the neuro surgeons office to have the progress of my spinal fussion checked. hope all the rest of you are doing well!

[jennyfla]

Thank you for your kind words, you are always so supportive of me and you give me encouragement.
I hope today was a better day for you, just take it one day at a time, the feelings will pass!
I'm glad that i was able to help you a little with my post, and at least, if i'm not doing very much for myself, hopefully, i am helping some of my friends here with their ongoing battle with addiction!
I will continue to help, i'm always here, and maybe i will begin to listen to my own words one of these days and get strong and beat this thing once and for all!
Thank you again, you made me smile tonight.  It's been a rough day, and i exhausted, so this was a nice ending to a long, hard day!
Lv Jenny

[jennyfla]

I'm so glad you're having fun!!!!!  Hot dudes eh???  Ok, i'll be right there (lol!)
Are you getting the T-storms over on that side too, we had a whopper this afternoon, it was great!
You take care, and don't get sunburned!!!!
Lv Jenny

[cindi]

Hey my mystical surfer dude and my fellow angel.....I wll give Brighty a big smooch and hug  LOL   and angelcia,  just bcause you can't be there Physically,,I'm sure you know that we will be mentioning your name (fondly of course ) and you will be with us in our hearts.....Wiz,  I am in southwest Florida,,a place called caPE cORAL,,,HOT, SUNNY PALM TREES AND HOT DUDES  lol  (hI dOUG),,,,,lol I asked my dad if I caould saty a little bit longer   and doug in coming to get me,,,,,he has to get  me cuz i wimped out....can't do the mountains again  LOL   you hang in there and if you need me I can access my aol acct. from my dad's computer........i love you all      cin

[skipper]

wizzard:
so sorry to hear your in the "bad" spot.
for what it's worth:
several years ago (before my neck problems) i read in the British
Journal of Addiction about a study 2 american reserchers were doing. if my memory serves me they (the researcher) were investigating what was labled as secondary  abstence syndrome. it seems the body at regular intervals of 60 to 80 days after detox
will start cravings for drugs, especially opiates. i know this probably doesn't help much. In the days before oxy, when i was
clean for a number of years this happened to me. it started with a
repetitous dream about using heroin. same dream nite after nite. i
remember waking up in cold sweats. each day after such dreams everything i looked reminded me of big old spoon of black tar being
cooked down! no **** i thought i was going to have to use to make it go away. the dreams and desire went away when i started talkig
about them with some oter people trying to find recovery.
hang in there!
skipper

[Wizard]

Thank you all so much for your words of encouragement. They mean so much to me at the dark moments that lurk from time to time in mind. Milo and angelica thanks for the personal mail :-) it's always nice to see the "you got mail" indicator flashing.LOL J.B. I know we have a lot in common as does Milo. I thank you for your words of wisdom to just come to the forum and write some B.S. It really does work :-) I reread and listened to myself. When I read what I wrote at a low point I DO wonder if it was really me or a manifistation that took over for a brief time just to test me and keep me honest. Bless you in your concern. Jenny, my friend, you may not know it, but just by your response to me and to others you are NOT in the dark. Darling you are standing on the threshold of the Light. I just found out that sometimes the lightbulb goes out and we just need to replace it, but the energy running it is eternal! I just replace my bulb again and so can you! Even in your current darkness you found a flicker of light to come to my aid. God Bless you for that. I'll keep you in my heart and prayers along with all my "angels" here. I think a better day is in store for me.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
Wizard

[jennyfla]

Remember this one that someone posted a while back.  I keep it closeby so i can read it to get a wake up call!

I am your disease
I am cunning, baffling, powerful and slick.  You will never see me coming until i have you by the throat, grasping for your life.  I am a disease that has been around since the beginning of time, you are just a beginner.  You will think like all beginners think.  That you can handle me, you are not that bad, maybe once in a while or that you are different.  I will keep talking to you because you listen; after all i am a disease that tells you that you are not sick.  I hate when you go to treatment, go to those stupid meetings, obtain a higher power and attend counseling.  You fool!  I am a very patient disease and will wait until youi stop treating me and then i will destroy you.  Not only will i destroy you, i will also destroy your family and friends.  I promise to take away your dreams.  Your new dreams will be to stay high and wasted.  You will feed me alcohol, heroin, cocaine, pills, pot and speed.  I will teach you to lie, cheat and steal.  Slowly you will realize that i am your best friend, lover and higher power.  I will always be there when you are lonely and i will fill that empty feeling within.  I will consume every cell in your body and bring about many new sufferings such as aids, liver, heart, pancreas, reproductive, skin and brain diseases.  Most importantly, i will rule your mind; your every thought will be of me.  I promise to be there when you get out of the hospital; i promise to be there when you get out of prison.  I also promise to be there when you die.  For now, let us have fun.
Yours forever,
The Disease of Addiction


Hope this isn't upsetting, they are very strong words.  This is just a little reinforcement to help you know you two are on the right road.  Don't look back, it's ugly, and you never want to go back there.  Keep re-reading the posts, it will help a lot.  I've re-read my posts the next day, and can't believe it was me who wrote those words.  If i could only read and learn from what my healthy part of my brain is saying.  Stomp that darn dragon or demon on the other shoulder saying 'just a little won't do anything'.  I was starting to feel really good when i came back from vacation.  I hadn't beaten it yet, but was starting to 'feel' a little bit again.  Right now i feel like absoluate ****, and i could kick myself (if i could reach) for falling back and letting this dam disease gain some ground again.

Stay strong, and know that tomorrow is another day, and let this one pass and know that there is a brighter day ahead for your both tomorrow.  So many things to 'feel', you don't want to miss it!!!!!

Good luck and keep the faith you two!!!!
Love from your (still in the dark) friend, Jenny

[Angelica]

.....Don't forget to give Brighty a big hug and a smooch for me ...K??  Tell, her I wish I could be there....gosh you have no idea..I wish we all could be there, and have one big family reunion.  I truly envy you, cin.  Take care, and be careful.
Love YA
ANgelica

[Angelica]

.....Feel free to email me anytime.  I am  here if you need someone to talk you through this trying time, or just listen.  I'm usually on very often, and if not....I'll email you as soon as I ck.  Hang in there pal, your to special to go back there again.  God bless you.
Love,
Angelica

[Milo]

Thinking about you, my friend, & am right behind you on your walk...Today was a weird, bad day for me, too -- depression + anxiety -- oh, what fun -- so we're not alone. Look for an e-mail, or maybe a "flying monkey message". Hang in there, & I will too -- Milo