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Vicodin Addiction/Physician Over Prescribing

I would like to here from anyone who has become addicted to Vicodin as a result of a physicians inability to recognize the addictive nature of this drug and as a result over prescribing it for perceived pain in the pelvic region.

In addition, any nurses currently working in a hospital environment who recieve "professional courtesy" from coworkers issueing prescriptions for vicodin, please let me know.

One Dr. at a wll know hospital in NY was issueing my wife 2-3 prescriptions a month  over a two year period following  surgical procedure after her primary physician refused to give her any additional pain medication. The addiction accelerated to the point where he was issueing her 400-500 pills a month over a two year period.
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I think it's a crime if your wife is a nurse and getting scripts for that amount of Vicodin per month.  That comes out to 12 to 16 per day!  If nothing else, he's killing her with the Tylenol.
Are you saying one doctor prescibes all this Vicodine?  I would turn him in for sure.  

As an aside: I was recently in the ER and overheard two nurses talikng.  One nurse said "Mrs. Smith wouldn't take her Demerol, do you want it?"  The other nurse responded with "Yeah, I'm working a double shift and my back is killing me!"  I'm not making this up.  What's your opinion of this?
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JB:

Yes indeed a cardiac physician issueing prescriptions of vicodin to my wife without ever examining her. Thousands of pills over a two year period. Some call it professional courtesy, I call it something else. Some say "your wife is a nurse, she should have known", I say she at the time she asked for the medication was an addict, not in control of her problem.

It gets worse........she eventually was forced to resign her position after 13 years of distinguished service.

The good news after an aggressive in-patient detox program, she is doing much better.

These types of reckless actions of so called professionals must be stopped. Interns, Nurse Practioners, all issueing prescriptions to my wife for this addictive medication without any refferals to an Employee Assistance Program, Pain Management Clinics etc.....they simply handed out prescriptions as if they were "post it " notes.....
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I agree with your opinion wholeheartedly, Robert. I'm also pleased to hear that your wife is doing well.  Too bad she had to pay the price for her actions and the prescribing doctor.  I can only hope that she will be able to get back to her chosen profession and help fellow addicts.  There is such a need for people in the treatment of addiction!  And I mean people who have been down that road and can relate plus not take any BS.  

I know two nurses who work for the rehab program here that are just marvelous.  One is a recovering cocaine addict and the other is in recovery for opiates.  Both were high end in the nursing profession.  We like to say "recovering from" because there is no cure for the problem.  It's a day to day reprieve from the scourges of addiction that we are granted, but it takes a lot of work on our part.  Helping others in need is one of the things we do to help ourselves through this illness.

Read my words slowly and think about what I am saying here, Robert.  I agree with you that all this nonsense "should" be stopped but it never will be in our lifetime.  It's like wishing that all war and pain and suffering "should" be stopped!  Wishfully thinking,  Be well and be there for your wife.
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JB:

I'm just beginning to get over the anger associated with this whole ordeal. We plan on exposing the entire situation at this well know LI Medical Center. OPD is conducting their investigation, however it will not stop there. I plan on writing a short text so that others can benifit from this tragedy.

Make no mistake however, those who contributed to this tragedy will indeed be held acountable for their actions. 20/20 is also intereasted in running a piece on the Hospital's inability to control or enforce rules and regulations regarding dispensing of pain medication among coworkers. It is a big problem in the medical industry which is costing people their lives, careers and their families.

We are also starting a Web Site to gain better insight into the magnitude of the problem and help others in similar situations.

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All of you sound like you have this drug thing figured out. And I can relate to all of you. I have been taking pain meds on and off(more on than off) now for almost 20 years, and befor that a pot smoker. For the last 3 years I have been taking percodan. I have cut way back on them now partly because I was fearful my doctor would cut me off and partly because I know what they are doing to me. I do suffer from migrains but very few, much less than I tell my doctor about or my wife. About a year ago I stopped taking them as much. I was taking about 120 pills a month. Now I take 50 about every two months. When I get them I will go through them in about two weeks. Then stay strait till my next doctors visit(in about 7 weeks)I have found that the bigest catch with these drugs are that they give you a way to feel, a way to stimulate your mind, and all you have to do is put a pill in your mouth. It is human nature to want to stimulate you mind somehow, to feel a certain emotion. Without drugs this takes reall work.

Without drugs- To fell a sence of accomplishment. One might take up a hoby, or seek a rewarding career. With drugs you can just take a pill and sit back or do something small around the house. That is just one of many examples.
After you take them for a long time you loose the ability to become self-motivated. The only way you know to feel anything is to just take your pill of chioce. Thats why when you stop them you don't feel anything, you just want to lay around the house and not face up to anything. When quiting drugs it is a whole reshaping of how you conduct your life. You have to learn how to feel happy, concerned, interested, motivated feel love. Any emotion you can posibly think of has to be relearned, all over again or sometimes even learned for the first time. It is a hard battle but I can say this. When you achieve happyness on you own rather than with drugs it is a deeper feeling, a feeling of treu happyness not the fake happyness from some drug.

My precription will come in 3 weeks and I will take it again. I am just now doing things without the drugs and doing well, but I look forward to that next fix. I hope some day I will get sick of this rollercoaster ride and quit but I am just not ready yet.

Success to all of you
John B.
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John, I wish that I did have this drug thing all figured out!  Every time that I think I have it figured out-BOOM.  Something always comes up that changes my whole way of thinking.  That's life!

I know what you are doing with the Percodan and I will neither condone nor condemn it.  It sounds to me that you get some relief from depression  with it, so maybe it helps you.  I'm just not going to sit here and be judgemental of others because I am basically in the same boat.  If and when you do decide you've had enough of this rollercoaster ride you'll now what to do.
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Robert, I sympathize with your desire to expose this hospital and its doctor.  However, when shows like 20-20 jump on the bandwagon, legitimate pain sufferers are the ones that, well, suffer.  Good doctors hesitate even more to prescribe medicines that work for those with arthiritis and other constant pain.  Please think carefully about what you are doing.  One bad doctor does not mean all doctors and hospitals should panic over prescribing.  Not being an addict yourself, or in pain, you do not realize what having a sympathetic doctor who prescribes in MODERATION means to us.  Just a small plea.  Thanks for listening.
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Well, I feel like a mother bear defending her cubs here but I feel this is a very informative and helpful website. Each person has a distinct personality, and that's life, you'll find that on any addiction website. I've since white knuckled it so I haven't posted here lately, but the times I did, I received help, IN SPADES AND DOUBLE! I still come to this site every day, and look forward to reading posts from the newcomer on up to the "regulars." You all know who you are. Please don't let this site fall down the flusher, OK??
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Beanie, I have not heard from you lately, hope you are doing O.K.  I know this board can get to you sometimes but I still come here every day. I'm usually afraid to post much, quess I'm chicken I'll get reamed out.  God I hope that word is spelled right.  Anyway, if you need a friend to talk to, feel free to e-mail me at ***@****  Joan C
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I am telling you this is a wonderful site. Registration is easy and the people are mostly terrfic. They have all kinds of forums including Addiction and Chronic Pain to name a few.

It is moderated and any bad people are quickly banned from the site.

< href=http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&SUBMIT=Go>http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&SUBMIT=Go</a>


See you there. My name is ronnieg over there.
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<a href=http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&SUBMIT=Go>http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&SUBMIT=Go</a>
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wow!! I thought this site was dysfunctional.  that one is even worse, between some ryker guy and tiffany.  People are People.  lets not give up on this one yet.
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Every site has a few problems but I assure you the moderator rids the site of problematic people.

Anyway I have been to both sites and if you are looking for a site where people tend to stay for longer periods of time, then that is the site for you.

This site is a good site as well. The other one is just run better.
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First to "John B." you had a great post!  You are so right on with your examples of how life changes w/o needed pain meds.  I would rather you type from your heart than attempt to constantly worry about spelling and grammer.  Please don't mind show off's who do not have your best interest at heart attempt to display their comedic talents here on this board.

To CINDY:  It is so upsetting to know what Robert and his family are going through.  Cindy, I must be honest too and say that I can relate to your "plea".  It has taken so MANY years to finally find a doctor who has me closely monitored with the proper medication.  I have arthritis, TMJ and Fibro.  I went so many years on drugs like Verapimil (for bad headache pain, it was a blood pressure pill) that made me swell up as bad as Elvis.  I also would pass out because of such a high dosage.  I have run the full gamut of meds and thank God and my doctor I finally have such a wonderful quality of life. My kids have their mom back.

And to ALL:  I am so glad that there are more nice and kind ones here than people filled with rage and hostility.  I can't name all of the WONDERFUL that I admire, but people like Cindy, Brighty, John B., Vonn and Jess, Brian (who got back from CA)just to name a few.  We all come here and pour out hearts out one way or another. Who wants to get blasted by some smartass humor on spelling or someone who won't even post their name PASS JUDGEMENT on someone who DOES post their name.  I just want to say that I don't take you all for granted for a moment.  I think your great.  I have been coming here for a year.  Most of the times I leave this board feeling like I have learned something new.  Sometimes I am here just to read the incredible passages by BRIGHTY.  Anyway, I wont ramble any more but I just wanted to take this time to say no matter how hateful this board can be I am thankful for YOU who are reading this now AND all my other friends on this board.

Sincerely,
Shelly

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I find the site to be good for letting it out. But I agree about the staff not being around much. Maybe it's a money thing.If you are comforted by hearing other people are as bad or in worse shape than you, it helps knowing you are not alone.God luck to all who need the help.If it gets you through the night...
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Wow I didn't mean to get everybody so off track here. I know my spelling is bad, and I am not a typest. Friends and family just sort of chuckle over that now. The one person that made that one post has there own problems to deal with and I am sure when he or she is ready that they to can benifit from this site.
  Since my last post I have started to have some really bad shoulder pain. It only lasted a couple of days, but I went to the ER, and you got it. I got some pills vicodin at first. Then a scrip for 100 percs. Now this three week waiting period befor my next scrip turned into only one. It was a good week tward the end I felt so good to be doing things without the meds. I woke(spelling?) up thismorning and went as long as I could. Then finaly about 1:00, after a morning of just laying in bed a I caved in. I should have known better as long as I have them in the house I will take them. Oh how I look forward to the day that my doctor hands me a scrip and I say "no thank you I don't need them anymore". I don't see me runing out of pills till the first week in Jan. That will be a bad month for me. I know I have to beet this thing. What is it going to take for me? When will I just say I have had enouph? I hate who I am. I eaven feel I only love my wife and daughter and friends because of and, when I am on the pills. My daughter is so sweet. We adopted her right out of the hospital. She is 6 now and everyday she jumps out of the shcool bus and runs tward me with open arms and almost knocks me over. We have a very good relationship. No body knows what I am going through (exept now all of you) and it has been this way for 20 years, and through the raising of three other children. I don't want them to know untill I am ready to really stop and start living a reall life. They all know I take pain meds but they don't know what these drugs are really all about and what they can do to you. I leveled with my wife about a year ago but then I started to tell her I was better. I just wasn't ready then. You all know what I mean. I know we all have our stories to tell. So lets start sharing them with one another. I will be gone in about a week and a half for three weeks. We are going on a cruis to the Bahamas a trip we have been saving for and looking forward too for some time. Of course I have a doctors appt. right befor I go so I have enouph meds.
  Lets all keep our heads up and just know that we CAN BEAT THIS THING. Have some faith in that God given will to live. And thank you for all your support. What a great gift we have in eachother.

  I will be reading and maybe posting till I leave so till then.
            SUCCESS TO YOU ALL


PS. sorry for all the misspelled words
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You are right. I am using the percodan to controle depretion. And it certainly get rid of it. But the pill wears of and depretion comes back. You are a good person thank you for you responce.
             John B.
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Thanks for the complement!  I've been on all the SSRI antidepressants in the last 30 months but for one reason or another I couldn't handle them.  Everything from Prozac to Paxil and some others have some rather bizarre side effects for me that I cannot handle for long.  Plus they can take from 3 to 6 weeks to kick in.  I've been legitimately taking hydrocodone now for several weeks, three times per day.  My depression is long gone now and I am able to function physically as well.  On the SSRI's I felt tired and weak most of the time to the point of staying home in bed for long periods.  That's how it is with me in a nutshell.  If someone wants to say that I abuse my hydrocodone,  well all I can say is that this abuse has brought me back into society as a functioning and contributing member.

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Yes yes that is exacly what I am doing. Without the percs I am so depressed that I just want to stay in bed. But how can I get a doctor to prescribe this med as an ani-depressent. I also take imipramine 150 mg a day, zoloft 100 mg a day. With all that antidepressent in my system I still dont feel right till I take my percs. I too hade a bad time ajusting to the antidepressants. When I first started on amitriptaline about 9 years ago it was bad at first, and my wife was really scared. I had really bad dreams, and was walking in my sleep, and I felt really druged all day. I almost lost my job(I have been a chef for 20 years now). But when I finally did adjust I had the most productive time in my life. I was taking vicodin also. I did this for about 3 years. Then my doctor called my wife and said he was conserned because I was going through so many vicodin. She felt that there was a problem so told him she has never known me when I wasn't taking some kind of drug. Back around 1975 through 1981 I was a heavy pot smoker. Living in Florida then, it was very cheap and easy to get.Strangly enouph I had no problem with stopping. Probly because it's adverse affects on me were so easy to see.So any way when I called my doctor for a refill he said no more untill I come see him first. So I got scared and dropped the ball on the whole thing. It was easy to do because I was only taking one a day. I know now that that is hardly enouph to be a addict. But when I moved up here to Maine I got a very good job and good insurence. So I went to a doctor and told hime I was having migrains again which I really was, but never as many as I told him I was having. He gave me 100 percodans a month. Then I really started to take them alot! It took 2 years to hit bottom. When I did I told my wife and doctor what I was doing. He said it is so easy to fall into that trap and it happens so often. So he sent me to an adiction specealest. I saw him for a while and it really didn't help that much. He put me on xanex for a while and I really didn't care for that so I basicly faked a recovery.Now I am up to 50 pills ever month and a half or so. So I am up and down depending on when I have them and I dont. So what do I do? They are the only antidepresant that helps me. Should I tell my doctor that? Or will he say that is wrong and cut me off totally?
  If you have any suggestions on this please let me know
Does your doctor know why you take hydrocodone? And if he does what does he say about it? I want to be honest to everyone and still take these pills. I know taking them is not good for me and soon I will have to deall with that too.

Thanks for you fast response to my last post and look forward to hearing form you again.

                          John B.
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I've been prescribed the painkillers for pain.  I haven't told my doctor outright that they work on my depression but I'm sure he knows this due to my appearance and demeanor.  I did tell him that I quit my latest SSRI and haven't had a problem with depression lately. I'm not suggesting that everybody that suffers from depression be put on opiates.  In my case, the underlying reason for my depression was constant pain.  I think that maybe someone here like Dan could give you some more advice about dealing with your particular problem.

I also want to remind you that I am an addict but there is no way I'm going to screw this thing up.  I let my wife get the pills from the pharmacy and despense them to me on schedule.  I don't trust myself enough to be in control of these meds.
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Thanks for the advice. Maybe I should consider having my wife do the same. I did try once to let her have them and eaven hide them and only let me have them when I really needed them. But that just didnt work. She just put me on a giult trip every time I asked for one. She knew that I wasn't in pain. She does know that they help with my deprestion. She just doesn't think that that is the way to deal with it and would just lable me a junky. How can I get in touch with Dan so could talk to him. This thing is just tearing me apart.

     Thanks:  John B.
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I think that Dan has read some of your posts and is giving you some advice.  It's probably not the stuff you want to hear right now but good advice nonetheless.  Believe you me, I have been where you are now and it sucks.  I can only tell you what works for me and me alone.  Don't get the impression that what I do will work for you.  I just have a lot of mileage behind me and am able to cope with things on a different plane.  Addiction is just such a multifaceted syndrome that I don't think we'll ever have the final answer.   You have to figure out what's good for you.  Remember, it's only a life and death matter!
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I am so sorry, but your line about the "bad" people screams for a response, and I am the one to do it!!!!!!  First, who decides what a "bad" person is?  The republicans?  The doctors?  Anyone who doesn't agree with another opinion?  Secondly, I have seen that site and I am sure the people are very good, but that's the problem.  It is a very nice, little bubble, but seems really fake.  And the fact that one cannot speak freely, being screened by a moderator and all, makes it appear to be an "R" rated movie that has been "Edited for Television." That may be a warm and fuzzy little site for shiny happy people, but it seems that the people on this site are real.  I can feel their pain, pardon the cliche.
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I also looked into the addiction forum on the MGH site and was disappointed.  It seemed like a clique of regulars that ignored the newcomer.  Several others that I'm in contact with have the same impression.  If you aren't mentioned on their daily "roll call", you don't exist.
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