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Vicodin advice & support needed please
Good morning.
My husband was looking through this site this morning....after I broke the news to him last night that I am struggling with vicodin and need his help to kick it. This is my first (and last) time dealing with a prescription medication addiction, and I'll be honest....I am scared.
I started taking vicodin about 2 years ago for pain. It was very intermittent, but I will be honest, not only did I find relief from my pain, I really liked the way it made me feel. Last June I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia...that seemed to be all the justification I needed. It's been a slippery slope to this place that I am now in. For the last 3 months I have tried so hard to start cutting back, some somehow always ended up taking even more. So as of today, or should I say yesterday, I was taking 12 - 14 pills a day of the 10/325's.
I have a lot of questions, and I am hoping that this is a good place to find answers. In the past, when I have tried to cut back, the things that I experienced were hot & cold flashes, total body pain, headaches, crawly skin, insomnia and extremely depressed thinking. Is there anything else besides this lovely combo of symptoms that I may not be aware of? How long do the symptoms usually last? Does anyone have any recommendations for HOW to go about cutting down (eg: decrease by 1 pill every 3 days...etc)? I read in another post that taking flexeril at bedtime can help. Does anyone else have experience with that? When will this horrible....borderline suicidal thinking go away? I am not a depressive person by nature, in fact I am quite the opposite, so this crap going on in my head is REALLY bad for me. Honestly, I am scared that it is going to linger even after I slay this giant. Can anyone give me any feed back on that?
Any input that anyone has out there would be genuinely appreciated. This is a very lonely and scary place. I am beyond grateful for the support of my husband; he is an incredible man. It sure would be comforting though to meet some other people who are in this same boat with me. Misery loves company? NO! There is strength in numbers! And I need all of the extra strength I can find right now....
My husband was looking through this site this morning....after I broke the news to him last night that I am struggling with vicodin and need his help to kick it. This is my first (and last) time dealing with a prescription medication addiction, and I'll be honest....I am scared.
I started taking vicodin about 2 years ago for pain. It was very intermittent, but I will be honest, not only did I find relief from my pain, I really liked the way it made me feel. Last June I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia...that seemed to be all the justification I needed. It's been a slippery slope to this place that I am now in. For the last 3 months I have tried so hard to start cutting back, some somehow always ended up taking even more. So as of today, or should I say yesterday, I was taking 12 - 14 pills a day of the 10/325's.
I have a lot of questions, and I am hoping that this is a good place to find answers. In the past, when I have tried to cut back, the things that I experienced were hot & cold flashes, total body pain, headaches, crawly skin, insomnia and extremely depressed thinking. Is there anything else besides this lovely combo of symptoms that I may not be aware of? How long do the symptoms usually last? Does anyone have any recommendations for HOW to go about cutting down (eg: decrease by 1 pill every 3 days...etc)? I read in another post that taking flexeril at bedtime can help. Does anyone else have experience with that? When will this horrible....borderline suicidal thinking go away? I am not a depressive person by nature, in fact I am quite the opposite, so this crap going on in my head is REALLY bad for me. Honestly, I am scared that it is going to linger even after I slay this giant. Can anyone give me any feed back on that?
Any input that anyone has out there would be genuinely appreciated. This is a very lonely and scary place. I am beyond grateful for the support of my husband; he is an incredible man. It sure would be comforting though to meet some other people who are in this same boat with me. Misery loves company? NO! There is strength in numbers! And I need all of the extra strength I can find right now....
Hi. Congrats on your progress. I'm terrified to go there yet. May I ask you how you told your husband? Please keep us updated on w/d. Best of luck to you
Congratulations on wanting to get clean and take your life back!! I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I am 36 days clean today and like you I was taking anywhere between 12-20 10s a day. I decided to do a REALLY fast taper and then CT because I didn't want to prolong the inevitable wds. I followed the Thomas Recipe that everyone has told you about and I could not believe how good I actually felt. I did start taking all of the recommended vitamins during my last week of taking pills so that way the vitamins would really be in my system and I couldn't believe how minimal my wds were. Of course everyone and their bodies are different, but I firmly believe that if it is something that you truly want and put your mind to quitting things will be easier for you. Within my first 24 hours of taking nothing we had a terrible amount of snow and I had to drag my butt outside and snow blow my driveway twice and then by day 4 I pushed myself to the gym every morning and honestly after the first 4 days I have never felt better. My worst day now is better than my best day while on pills. Sorry so long just wanted to give you some encouragement :)))
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I read an article by the CDC that was posted during hurricane katrina b/c of all of the addicts in Louisiana that were NOT able to get hold of their "drug" of choice, wether by Dr or street, and it said we don't die from withdrawal. Feel like crap, but don't die. My feeling was, I want to feel like hell for the shortest time possible, so going c/t was the way for me. Not for everyone...but I needed it to suck....so I remember how I got here! That's the way I had to do it though? B/c vicodin doesn't have a long half life, it should leave your body pretty quick...that's why your already starting to feel it. Push yourself and remeber, the anxiety is all us...we do that b/c were scared. Dont be scared...its a journey well worth it. When u feel like crap, post, post. Good luck...
Hello -
Firstly, I am happy you were able to relate to my post as that is what this forum is all about.. As far as dying from opiate WD -- I have never heard of anyone on this forum or in my travels dying from the symptoms of opiate WD. One may feel like dying.. LOL but it's not something that I have EVER heard happens. I'm the type of person who like to pull the bandaid right off so I kicked using the CT method plus to be honest I'm pretty sure I would have stuck to any sort of taper plan, but that's me... Please continue to post and yes start a new thread each day with what you are going through like "Day 1 taper" or "Day 1 CT" and so on... This way people who have or are experiencing the same thing you are will respond accordingly. As far as the Thomas Recipe goes for tapering -- I'm pretty sure you can use some of the things for a taper but again, I'm not sure because I never attempted a taper so that may be a good start to a new thread "how do you use the Thomas Recipe for tapering?" I'm sure people will be able to guide you there.. I would think you would use everything minus them"Benzo's and/or volume... I wouldn't recommend the latter even if you were doing CT as they are addictive and Benzo's can be difficult to kick and can cause seizures if stopped abruptly... Anyway, start a new thread and keep posting and I will be praying for you to successfully rid yourself of this addiction or if you would rather me call it a dependency.. Lol
Firstly, I am happy you were able to relate to my post as that is what this forum is all about.. As far as dying from opiate WD -- I have never heard of anyone on this forum or in my travels dying from the symptoms of opiate WD. One may feel like dying.. LOL but it's not something that I have EVER heard happens. I'm the type of person who like to pull the bandaid right off so I kicked using the CT method plus to be honest I'm pretty sure I would have stuck to any sort of taper plan, but that's me... Please continue to post and yes start a new thread each day with what you are going through like "Day 1 taper" or "Day 1 CT" and so on... This way people who have or are experiencing the same thing you are will respond accordingly. As far as the Thomas Recipe goes for tapering -- I'm pretty sure you can use some of the things for a taper but again, I'm not sure because I never attempted a taper so that may be a good start to a new thread "how do you use the Thomas Recipe for tapering?" I'm sure people will be able to guide you there.. I would think you would use everything minus them"Benzo's and/or volume... I wouldn't recommend the latter even if you were doing CT as they are addictive and Benzo's can be difficult to kick and can cause seizures if stopped abruptly... Anyway, start a new thread and keep posting and I will be praying for you to successfully rid yourself of this addiction or if you would rather me call it a dependency.. Lol
Congrats on re-claiming your life. No you can't die from Vicodin detox.
Yes you can use the Thomas recipe. It helps with withdrawal and detox.
It is OTC supplements and supplies to help make the detox process more comfortable. To help build your body back up.
Tapering if done right makes the symptoms less severe than cold turkey.
It does drag them out longer though. Cold turkey the symptoms are more severe, but less time. It's like ripping the band aid off.
Don't let the fear in. Pray, listen to uplifting music, exercise, move around as much as possible your natural brain chemistry needs to re-populate.
Just treat the symptoms as they happen.
You got this.
Sending prayers,
Debbie
Yes you can use the Thomas recipe. It helps with withdrawal and detox.
It is OTC supplements and supplies to help make the detox process more comfortable. To help build your body back up.
Tapering if done right makes the symptoms less severe than cold turkey.
It does drag them out longer though. Cold turkey the symptoms are more severe, but less time. It's like ripping the band aid off.
Don't let the fear in. Pray, listen to uplifting music, exercise, move around as much as possible your natural brain chemistry needs to re-populate.
Just treat the symptoms as they happen.
You got this.
Sending prayers,
Debbie
Good morning
Well it's day 2 tapering down and I feel like crap! :) But that's ok. I am so encouraged by my husband, and my mother, and all of you wonderful people here on this forum. Motye51, Real180, Guitridy...thank you! Real180, it kinda felt like you crawled into my head a little bit. Like you, I have felt that because I was "managing" my addiction and not the other way around that it was all good. In fact, that last sentence was the FIRST time I have referred to this as an addiction. I preferred the word "dependency". LOL!....Guess it helped me feel better. Denial is a tricky place. But I can't play games with myself anymore. I want myself back: for myself, my husband and my kids. I don't like this woman who has invaded my life (by my poor choices)and she needs to go.
Ok, so I have a question: I read through the Thomas Recipe and it says that it is for people who decide to go CT. I am not going that route, I'm honestly afraid that because the amount of pills that I take in a day is so high, if I tried to go CT it might kill me. So there is another question, I guess....can you die from detoxing from vicodin to abruptly? So the other question: Can I use the Thomas Recipe if I am choosing to taper instead of CT? AND question #3: I am brand new to this forum stuff. Should I continue to post in this original post from yesterday, or should I be starting new threads with my questions? If someone could give me a quick lesson on how is best to navigate in here, that would be great because I plan on sticking around for a while. People here are really great....I am so grateful for the support. :)
Well it's day 2 tapering down and I feel like crap! :) But that's ok. I am so encouraged by my husband, and my mother, and all of you wonderful people here on this forum. Motye51, Real180, Guitridy...thank you! Real180, it kinda felt like you crawled into my head a little bit. Like you, I have felt that because I was "managing" my addiction and not the other way around that it was all good. In fact, that last sentence was the FIRST time I have referred to this as an addiction. I preferred the word "dependency". LOL!....Guess it helped me feel better. Denial is a tricky place. But I can't play games with myself anymore. I want myself back: for myself, my husband and my kids. I don't like this woman who has invaded my life (by my poor choices)and she needs to go.
Ok, so I have a question: I read through the Thomas Recipe and it says that it is for people who decide to go CT. I am not going that route, I'm honestly afraid that because the amount of pills that I take in a day is so high, if I tried to go CT it might kill me. So there is another question, I guess....can you die from detoxing from vicodin to abruptly? So the other question: Can I use the Thomas Recipe if I am choosing to taper instead of CT? AND question #3: I am brand new to this forum stuff. Should I continue to post in this original post from yesterday, or should I be starting new threads with my questions? If someone could give me a quick lesson on how is best to navigate in here, that would be great because I plan on sticking around for a while. People here are really great....I am so grateful for the support. :)
Dear Blessed,
If you scroll to the bottom of this page, you should find a link for "Thomas Recipe Re-Posted"... it gives a list of items (some need a Dr's prescription) that help with the withdrawal symptoms. Best of luck to you..this site is a true blessing.
If you scroll to the bottom of this page, you should find a link for "Thomas Recipe Re-Posted"... it gives a list of items (some need a Dr's prescription) that help with the withdrawal symptoms. Best of luck to you..this site is a true blessing.
Hi and welcome -
Congratulations on making the decision to get your life back it going to be worth everything your going to go through -- think of it as a spiritual journey because in a way it will be.. Having your husband in know and supporting you is a huge, huge plus and your willingness to rid yourself of this burden is really putting you in great position to win this battle.. You have be given great suggestions and tips on how to cope with the WDs (Thomas recipe and etc).. I kicked a 120mg 5 plus year daily addiction CT -- it took roughly 7 days for the acute physical symptoms to pass with days 3-5 being the worse; days 6 and 7 were so much better than and the each day felt better with a good night sleep coming back after the 2 week mark (sleep is the last thing to come back) I am currently at 58 days clean and would say I am about 90% back.. I would also like to add that I felt more like "normal person" after about 10 days than I ever felt while on the pills (if that makes any sense).. My point is that it comes back quicker that you would think -- it just takes time for our bodies to get back to a 100% -- it's the price we pay for taking those pills.. Anyway, the physical part is just part of the battle.. The biggest fight is the mental battle that WE addicts face and it's the work we put into the mental that truly WINS this battle.. Like you I have the unwavering support of my spouse but she can only do so much. In the past I have tried to quit -- sometimes it would last a few days, a few weeks, and I even made it 5 weeks once and relapsed.. Each time thinking I had it licked and I was a person who can do it on my own.. I thought I was above other addicts.. I thought because I made money and never let my addiction get in the way of my professional life that I was "above" the whole addict thing.. I was an athlete who could defeat any challenge to it knees.. What a bunch of horse crap I was feeding myself, because this addiction brought me to my knees in such a way that I almost lost everything on my final run!!! In short -- I couldn't control my addiction anymore and it wasn't until I sucked it up and walked into the rooms of NA/AA that I learned how to stay clean and make it the longest I ever had -- 58 DAYS!!! those rooms saved my life and if I haven't gone I would have relapsed and eventually lost it all possibly including my life... The reason I'm writing this is for one I need to always remind myself of why I am here and two -- I want you to know that aftercare is such an important aspect to living your life clean!!! I know our biggest immediate fear of quitting opiates are facing the WDs but it's just part of it because if we do not use the tools out there to,help us stay clean then we just end up right back to where we started -- on the merry-go-round of addiction facing another WD or worse.. I'm not making light of the WDs and your job right now is to take it in small bites and just focus on getting through the WDs and get this out system whether you decide to a taper or just go CT.. What ever it is I applaud your desire to quit it takes courage and I believe you have all the pieces in place to it successfully. Just keep an open mind -- your willingness to do what it takes to get clean and the God willing stay clean.. Please keep posting the people on this forum are amazing and will help you through everything so use this as one of your tools -- I goto a meeting almost everyday and I read and respond on this forum everyday... I,wish you,all the best..
Congratulations on making the decision to get your life back it going to be worth everything your going to go through -- think of it as a spiritual journey because in a way it will be.. Having your husband in know and supporting you is a huge, huge plus and your willingness to rid yourself of this burden is really putting you in great position to win this battle.. You have be given great suggestions and tips on how to cope with the WDs (Thomas recipe and etc).. I kicked a 120mg 5 plus year daily addiction CT -- it took roughly 7 days for the acute physical symptoms to pass with days 3-5 being the worse; days 6 and 7 were so much better than and the each day felt better with a good night sleep coming back after the 2 week mark (sleep is the last thing to come back) I am currently at 58 days clean and would say I am about 90% back.. I would also like to add that I felt more like "normal person" after about 10 days than I ever felt while on the pills (if that makes any sense).. My point is that it comes back quicker that you would think -- it just takes time for our bodies to get back to a 100% -- it's the price we pay for taking those pills.. Anyway, the physical part is just part of the battle.. The biggest fight is the mental battle that WE addicts face and it's the work we put into the mental that truly WINS this battle.. Like you I have the unwavering support of my spouse but she can only do so much. In the past I have tried to quit -- sometimes it would last a few days, a few weeks, and I even made it 5 weeks once and relapsed.. Each time thinking I had it licked and I was a person who can do it on my own.. I thought I was above other addicts.. I thought because I made money and never let my addiction get in the way of my professional life that I was "above" the whole addict thing.. I was an athlete who could defeat any challenge to it knees.. What a bunch of horse crap I was feeding myself, because this addiction brought me to my knees in such a way that I almost lost everything on my final run!!! In short -- I couldn't control my addiction anymore and it wasn't until I sucked it up and walked into the rooms of NA/AA that I learned how to stay clean and make it the longest I ever had -- 58 DAYS!!! those rooms saved my life and if I haven't gone I would have relapsed and eventually lost it all possibly including my life... The reason I'm writing this is for one I need to always remind myself of why I am here and two -- I want you to know that aftercare is such an important aspect to living your life clean!!! I know our biggest immediate fear of quitting opiates are facing the WDs but it's just part of it because if we do not use the tools out there to,help us stay clean then we just end up right back to where we started -- on the merry-go-round of addiction facing another WD or worse.. I'm not making light of the WDs and your job right now is to take it in small bites and just focus on getting through the WDs and get this out system whether you decide to a taper or just go CT.. What ever it is I applaud your desire to quit it takes courage and I believe you have all the pieces in place to it successfully. Just keep an open mind -- your willingness to do what it takes to get clean and the God willing stay clean.. Please keep posting the people on this forum are amazing and will help you through everything so use this as one of your tools -- I goto a meeting almost everyday and I read and respond on this forum everyday... I,wish you,all the best..
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I think it's awesome that you have such a supportive husband! That's going to help so much, it will be invaluable. You can so do this....it's hard, but doable! The Thomas Recipe will be ideal for you and you should be able to accomplish it. I'm sure everyone's told you about the vitamins, immodium, Epsom salts, etc... that you will need. Make a plan...take the time...because it's good to get yourself back! That's the light at the end of this long, *** tunnel. Ourselves, how were supposed to be. It really is ALL in our heads...I've been clean now 68 days and my head is STILL a scary place. I don't like to be in it sometimes, but I do find that music helped quite a bit through this whole process. Funny, upbeat music, plugged into my ears for weeks. It does help! Good luck, and let us know what you decide to do...as we are here to help in any way we can.
Hello nonights!
Congratulations!! That is wonderful!! I am excited to be where you are at. You know, my husband said something to me last night about my pain being increased because of the vicodin and it kind of surprised me a little bit. I find it encouraging to hear that your pain is less now that you have kicked the meds. I sure hope that is the case for me as well. Where do I find information on this Thomas recipe? I am definitely curious to know what that is. And Epsom salt baths is a great idea. Thanks so much for the ideas as well as the words of encouragement! :)
Congratulations!! That is wonderful!! I am excited to be where you are at. You know, my husband said something to me last night about my pain being increased because of the vicodin and it kind of surprised me a little bit. I find it encouraging to hear that your pain is less now that you have kicked the meds. I sure hope that is the case for me as well. Where do I find information on this Thomas recipe? I am definitely curious to know what that is. And Epsom salt baths is a great idea. Thanks so much for the ideas as well as the words of encouragement! :)
Hello Pamela,
No I haven't discussed wanting to stop with the prescribing Dr. I actually plan on finding a new Dr asap. I have a lot of issues with the one I'm seeing now and need to move on. As far as the support that I have in place, well I have my husband who will be keeping me accountable by holding the meds for me and then my mom. Seeing as I just stepped onto this "road" today (literally) I hadn't really given outside support much of a thought. Like I said in my original post, it was actually my husband who found this site for me. I guess he sees the need for outside support as well. I don't really deal with depression. It's been a hard road, and I have felt emotionally challenged with my diagnosis and now this, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it depression. I learned a lot of coping skills in my twenties when I did go through a pretty serious bout of depression. My plans for a painkiller once I kick this: that is a very good question. That is probably the one thing that makes me the most nervous about all of this. I ended up on vicodin because I have tried so many other things that either had no effect or I had pretty serious sensitivities too. I don't know at this point if there are any medications so to speak that will help me. I plan on doing some research into holistic options. I like the idea of indoor pool exercises. I may look into that at my local community center.
Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. I am confident that I will succeed at this! Through prayer, the support of my husband and mother and the connections I make here on medhelp I can and WILL do this! :)
No I haven't discussed wanting to stop with the prescribing Dr. I actually plan on finding a new Dr asap. I have a lot of issues with the one I'm seeing now and need to move on. As far as the support that I have in place, well I have my husband who will be keeping me accountable by holding the meds for me and then my mom. Seeing as I just stepped onto this "road" today (literally) I hadn't really given outside support much of a thought. Like I said in my original post, it was actually my husband who found this site for me. I guess he sees the need for outside support as well. I don't really deal with depression. It's been a hard road, and I have felt emotionally challenged with my diagnosis and now this, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it depression. I learned a lot of coping skills in my twenties when I did go through a pretty serious bout of depression. My plans for a painkiller once I kick this: that is a very good question. That is probably the one thing that makes me the most nervous about all of this. I ended up on vicodin because I have tried so many other things that either had no effect or I had pretty serious sensitivities too. I don't know at this point if there are any medications so to speak that will help me. I plan on doing some research into holistic options. I like the idea of indoor pool exercises. I may look into that at my local community center.
Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. I am confident that I will succeed at this! Through prayer, the support of my husband and mother and the connections I make here on medhelp I can and WILL do this! :)
Thank you kellygirl!! It's good to meet someone who is in this boat with me (so to speak). You are right that this isn't going to be very fun for either one of us, but it's not impossible. I am looking forward to this victory. Thank you sooooo much for the prayer support! I will keep you lifted up in prayer as well. I'm new to this forum thing, but I would like to be able to touch base and see how you are doing with this and if you have any specific prayer needs. Are you pretty knowledgeable to these forums?
Thank you dominosarah! I really appreciate the words of encouragement! I gave the pills to my husband last night. I realized that my actions over these last several months have not been me, they have been these blasted pills...and so I don't feel like I can trust myself at this point. I am so blessed to have a husband that I know I can trust however. I started the tapering process today, and realized quickly that I need to take this slow. I am just so anxious to be on the other side of this! Thanks again for the encouragement, it really does mean a lot to me. :)
Wow what courage for recognizing you have a problem and taking steps to change. I took 7/8 hydro's for eighteen years and tomorrow will be 50 days clean. I'm telling you cause if I can do it so can you. I'm not going to lie and say it was easy cause it wasn't but I'm free and its so worth it. Actually I have less pain now than when I took pills. I was also diagnosed with first lupus then changed to fibro. Start trying to exercise a little like walking or something and take multivitamin. There were a lot of bathroom issues for me at first. Do the Thomas recipe. Others can hook you up on what that is and lots of epison salt baths. Keep posting
Dear Blessed, your profile name is lovely. Thank you for your questions.
Let me ask a few, so I can give you good information.
Have you discussed the desire to stop medication with the prescribing DR ?
What other support do you have in place?
Does your fibermilagia inc depression?
There are free support groups thru NAMI. It will help you to understand & be with others thru your ordeal. AA & NA.
You may want to ask your DR to prescribe Clonidine. It's used off label to help with withdrawals.
So it's going to be a body & a mind thing. What are your plans for a pain killer substitute. Indoor pool exercises, yoga. Meditation.
I understand the desire to take even more tablets when you wanted to reduce. It's based on fear. Fear of pain. Fear of unknown. Fear of failure.
You can & will succeed. It's good that you are here on MedHelp. In my view it's the very best website on the Internet for getting off pain pills. Pamela
Let me ask a few, so I can give you good information.
Have you discussed the desire to stop medication with the prescribing DR ?
What other support do you have in place?
Does your fibermilagia inc depression?
There are free support groups thru NAMI. It will help you to understand & be with others thru your ordeal. AA & NA.
You may want to ask your DR to prescribe Clonidine. It's used off label to help with withdrawals.
So it's going to be a body & a mind thing. What are your plans for a pain killer substitute. Indoor pool exercises, yoga. Meditation.
I understand the desire to take even more tablets when you wanted to reduce. It's based on fear. Fear of pain. Fear of unknown. Fear of failure.
You can & will succeed. It's good that you are here on MedHelp. In my view it's the very best website on the Internet for getting off pain pills. Pamela
this is a great place to be everyone here is so supportive and non judgmental (of course) lots of information and advice here too i am starting my detox from 90mg of roxy not quite everyday like 3-5 times a week usually but thats enough we are both in for a not so fun time but we can do this and you are lucky you have the support of your husband best of luck to you i will be rooting for you and you are in my prayers girl!!!!
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Hi and welcome to the forum! You will find a ton of support here as we are all in different stages of recovery. You dont have to be a prisoner to these pills anymore. I am really happy to hear your husband is supportive. That is a huge plus! We cant give tapering schedules here as we want everyone to be safe but i will say it is best to taper slowly. Have your husband hold the pills for you. Try not to fear the withdrawals, it is all part of the process and tapering will help with that. You wont feel the best during this but it is all doable. We are open here 24 hrs a day so lean on us~
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