Withdrawal Periods

[jonesing247]

Hey everyone - just a quick question -
I have been taking oxycontin 80mg 6-8 a day for 5 months. I recently went through withdrawl when i stopped for 5 days - I took again for 3 days, and stopped again for 5 days. Now since friday i have been taking them again, albeit only 2 per day - if i continue to take them until saturday and then stop (so i would have been taking them for 7 days) will I experience withdrawl again? Or did I already get the 5 months worth of **** out of my system during the first five day withdrawl? Sorry about the question, it sounds like one of those "if a train leaves station A at 11:30" questions. Take care and I hope all of you are well. Thanks, Mark.

[bostontommy261]

Ok everybody stop-During harvest season when the poppy plants are blooming ripe with opium base dripping from the petals the pigme tribes leader has one solution.Anyone caught in WD will be tied to a tree in stabbed lightly but repeatedly over the course of their detox.An opiate is an  opiate.By the time you feel the full affect of the oxy it starts working its way out of the body.It is impossible to go in to full blown WD.Have"nt Lost a pigme yet.Drink water your senses are out of wack opiate WD is the most dehydrating thing you can do.Your body is screaming for H2O.but you don"t know it.Secondly some WD syms are from anxiety.Picture jogging around the block when you have the flu.Stressing about WD releases the same amount of adenline in to the blood.I once saw a china man in jail hang himself in full blown opiate {china white Heroin] Wd.The last thing he did was smile that big rice paddy smile.I can still see it .If you were in trouble I would let you know.Never mind what you did yesterday.

[somafreak]

Does anyone know if there are withrawls from soma? I know when I don't have them I go through anxiety like crazy. Are they addicting?

[Titus Kanbi]

Hello Everyone, I'm a first timer here but, unfortunately not in my quest for soberiety. This is day 2 without and I'm ready to pull my hair out. My DOC is / was Glass. I've heard that addiction to amphetamines is strictly mental, I strongly beg to differ. It feels like my body wants it, I get these wierd little tremmors about every 15 min. to a 1/2 hour. it's like a little reminder my body sends my brain that it needs / wants too.
       Anyway, anyony have an idea how long this last ? Oh yeah, the restlesness to, it's driving me nuts. Oh so hard to keep my focus on anything. This has got to get better soon.

Thanks, Tk

[Cassie33]

Hi To All:

I was reading all the stories and it was amazing how all of us have so much in commom with "drugs of choice". I was on perocet since 1999. I felt myself getting crazy over them. I went to the doctor which seemed like every week for more.  I think its also the Doctors that are enabling us to keep getting perscriptions.  I have been clean for 6 days now and yes the WD were horrible.  But there is happiness at the end of that tunnel.  I feel so much better, and to each one of you that feel your not cabable of kicking the habit......you can do it...I was taking 60 in a week and making excuses to get more.... like my purse was stolen.....vaction for a month the list goes on and on.......finally I knew I didnt want this for the rest of my life. And I flushed 20 pills and quit....YES, IT WAS HARD.......no doubt but once the WD are over....( which took about 4 days) you have a whole new life ahead of you without all the lies.  My grandfather before he died left me with one statement " We all are only remebered for 2 things........the problems we solve or the ones we create". how true that really is.  I feel that all of us have had regrets and we need to build bridges instead of walls........good luck to all

[GOD]

Here's what you do, and it's probably the BEST way to do it.

Just STOP taking the Ultram -- COLD TURKEY -- Tapering will only PROLONG your withdrawel pains. When you decide the day you will quit, and you do not want others (like your husband) to know, just make the remark that you are "Probably coming down with something" [Like the Flu, for instance]

You are going to feel like it's the worst Flu you've ever had, and you'll have the symptoms to go along with your "Story"...

In my opinion, it is better to be honest with your loved ones, but if you HAVE to keep it a secret, "Illness" is the best way to go.

After you've lived through those first few days, it is just a matter of NOT taking that next pill, and finding a hobby or SOMETHING to occupy the time you used to spend figuring out HOW to get your next fix.

I have faith in you! I did it, and therefore YOU can do it!
This is coming from someone who not only abused drugs, but was ALSO a Major drinker (1.75 liters of vodka or Gin per day!)

I am clean today because I am following a 12 step program: AA/NA meetings. They may or may not work for you, BUT, it doesn't hurt to try going to a couple of meetings. It's not what you may think - Yuck! A bunch of smelly Skid-row bums... Actually, the people there are usually quite happy, and are people just like you and I. You may even see your DOCTOR or your LAWYER there!

Good luck!
Jess

[ultragirl]

Jessy-thanks for the input-sounds like you've been there.  What do I do for those 3 days?  I work at home so that's ok but how will I hide this from my husband?  I'm too embarassed to tell him.  What did you do?  Did you taper?  Help!  I really am tired of this being out of control!!

[angieli123]

With each passing moment I get madder & madder I had 9yrs clean time as everyone knows its not always easy.I worked hard a lot of meetings cring etc .....But I dam proud of my time even when my life was at the lowest point, My olde3st daughter passed away. I didn't go out and start using again.
I have a real pain issue and as most of you know I got ultram "THE NON ADDICTIVE" drug for pain.
The kick is HELL!!!!! and i didn't even get a buzz(that really sucks :)   I am interested in the class action suit against the co. does anyone have any info about it?? Thanks 'Thank God for this forum".

[GOD]

Yes -- I KNOW about Ultram... About 30-50 pills a day for me until I quit.

So, you say you get them on the Net for real cheap? Probably the same site I did for $150.00 for a Bottle of 100. Right? It sounds cheap, but when you're doing as much as you or I, it isn't. My advise is going COLD TURKEY. just quit, and you willl feel AWFUL the first 3 days, but after 7-10 days pass, You will be completely normal again. BUT< if you go "Clean" for 2-3 days, then just take a few, you will have to go through the withdrawels AGAIN, and this time they are WORSE!

I really wish you luck, and my thoughts are with you...
Jess

[ultragirl]

H - I'm new to the forum and so relieved I found you - here's my story.....right now I'm taking of all things Ultram for my recreation.  Unfortunately, I found this on the net and found the cheapest site available.  I'm up sto 20 pills a day but supposedly, Ultram is NOT an addictive drug....wrong.  I tried a couple of weeks ago since I had run out of pills and money - I had terrible sweats, cough and overall just felt crummy.  So, back to the net to order using credit card that was already maxed out.  I've been doing this since March and it's time to stop.
Help!  Is anyone else out there familar with this drug?  I've written down the recipe, have about 100 pills left and am ready to stop.

[tex3]

Mopar - first, I'm sorry if you didn't get other responses, and hope you're still around. Most people check the posts at the top of the page, and this one was far down, but I happened to be reading.
You've discovered the demon of recovery, and that is relapse. It hits the best of us. The thing to do now is keep in mind how good you felt OFF the drugs and learn to say no next time, even if you have to trick yourself. Tell yourself "I won't take it today, but if I really need it tomorrow will rethink it then." Let that turn into another day, then another, until you can resist fully. One won't be enough.
The other thing, and this is what I did, is tell your doctors about your addiction. Do this when you're feeling strong. Remove temptation.
I hope you're feeling better. I would email you, but you didn't include your address. Hang in there and post again.
tracy

Marsmom - I'm sorry I didn't read this sooner. I hope your son is doing well, and that you've found some peace! Addiction takes a toll on the whole family. I'm ashamed to say it did with me. This is typical. Please let us know how things are going. You can post to one of the most recent topics at the top of the page. Hang in there, things will get better. Update us please.
tracy

[MoparGirl]

I am sorry, I'm shaianne and I would Love it if someone would email me their reply as well.... ty I may not be able to find my way back here.... ty all  shaianne

[MoparGirl]

Well hello all.  I know that I am going to sound like the same thing you have been reading here. However, you guys are about my last hope.
     I have been taking Hydrocodone 10/660's for 4 years.  I take 7 pills in a 24 hour period (Where I sleep about 12).  Obviously this had become a serious problem. I have either tried to or been forced to quit due to outage, and NEVER made it past 3 hours without them until about 3 months ago.  I ran out, and I tried everyplace I knew to get them to no avail.. Finally, after countless hours spent in ER's across 5 towns... I gave up.  I quit cold turkey.  It was absolute HELL for about a week and a half... then, after that the symptoms only seems to subside enough to be able not to cry in pain.  Then, I fell into a BAD depression.  I did not want to kill myself, but prayed that I would die, which is NOT me.  I remember the life I had before this.  I was the bubbly life of the party.  I have robbed myself of my own life.  Well, anyway, FINALLY, one day I woke up and I sat straight up in bed to get up. I was smiling and I SWEAR I had a buzz...lol Like it used to give me. I felt good, I had beaten IT!! My house was being cleaned spotless everyday again, my sleeppattern was normal, and I was singing again. Ah, and memories were flooding back ( I totally had blocked most of 4 years OUT.)  We moved back to the town I loved, my marriage became wonderful again ( Shh, don;t you tell him I admitted it was  my bad!! lol.)  Then, one day I told my friend that I had a headache (sinus), she said: hey I got some pain medicine stuff here If you need some..."  My ears perked up like a doberman on a bone...I said oh YES!! I will be right over. Well I'll be damned if that bottle of liquid hydrocodone didn't turn into 4 more prescriptions...It started the whole damn thing again. I began to feel sick as I did while on the meds.  Don't get me wrong. I felt GOOD on them, but always had a cold, or my chest hurt (it slows down your respiration, bowels, blah blah.)So, here I am again, OUT of the thing that makes me me... I can't be me without it. I don't want it any freaking MORE!!!!! But, I feel even while writing this post that I am craving so bad I would give anything to have 1 danged hydrocodone. Just 1.  But as you all know, 1 is NEVER enough..... How can I beat this thing and take back my life? How can I finally be able to say NO to a Dr. or a friend who offers me pain meds? I am absolutely addicted.  I truthfully do not know if I can make it through what I made it through last time.  I spent 3 nights on the phone with drug councelors- crying, pleading with them to help me.sleeping in the hot bath tub because that is the ONLY time I did not hurt, and I mean hurt BAD.  Please forgive the language here I use and the probable fragments, and interrupted thought patterns, but I can barely think at all. My mind is going nuts  just trying to cope.  That damn stuff steals your life and replaces you with a desgusting, pethetic, lying junkie! I don't want this for my life anymore.  Someone please help me to help me.... Love,  Shaianne

[JSmith02]

Greatings WW,

'Something about you just livens up these threads ... good to find your handle at the ole med help watering hole.

re: tapering and the recipe, first, tapering? Ya Shore? May Mrs. Olsen pour you another cup of Folger's coffee?

That said, detoxing and using the recipe, I recommend using just the benzos, Immodium, Clonidine if ya got it, and lots of hot soaks for the first 3 days or so. Then kick in the aminos as you build yourself back up with cool stuff like swimming, biking or hiking. That's when you can really use the boost from the L-Tyrosine. I've disovered that taking a lot of L-Tyro at a desk job usually causes tight neck and shoulders, leading to prize-winning headaces (still waitng for my prize -- it seems to be lost in the mail).

Also, while a 4000mg dose worked to kick start me after a long, long period of using, I hope people try more conventional doses first, lie 1500mg wiht B6 fist thing upon rising, followed after breakfast with an all-in-one mineral suppement with lots of zinc and mag.

But, then, you know this stuff -- just taking advantage of your on-line visibility .... Cheers.

Thomas

[marsmom]

Thank you so much for your reply.  Your advice is what has been in my heart all along and I think I just needed to hear from someone who's been there!  I am seeking and really finding.  Thank God for people like you who care enough to answer people like me.

We have had a very full weekend with a family reunion and houseguests in from out of town..... so we haven't been able to bring this all up.  Tomorrow or Tues. we'll have the conversation with him again.

When we have this discussion, usually it ends up with him just walking out or accusing us of not supporting him enough financially and not liking his gf.  (she has been like a daughter to us for over 4 yrs....until this last year when drugs took over both of them.  She also has left her home and lives with a friend.  They juggle between here and there, although we don't allow her to stay here overnight...., they really push us on that one...causing many altercations between us and them.

fyi....Girlfriend was off oc's for 3 weeks, him 2, but I think they both went back on together.  They haven't been fighting much.  I think they came to an agreement about $$.  I'm betting the truce will be short term until they are both 'clean'.  I can only pray about the 'relationship' between them.    I can only tell him he has to go until he is clean.


God Bless and I will keep you posted.

[tex3]

Hi and welcome. My husband told me he also never knew which of me he'd be dealing with daily. I got very defensive until I was ready to listen. But the disapproval of my family was a factor, though not the only one, in my quitting.
My opinion is you've done what you can and any more would be enabling him. I went to my mother for a week when I detoxed, but only after the worst was over. She helped me get my strength back.
I know you love your son and want him back. Oxy is a nightmare. If his gf is still using and not willing to quit, he needs to be away from her or he could easily fall back into using. He has to want to quit, though. It might take living on his own and being miserable to make him want it.
If you can get him into rehab, that is your best bet. Maybe inside he will gain some perspective and want to quit, if he doesn't already. The key is that he has to want it. You do have the rest of your family to consider, so don't feel guilty. This is his choice. I sympathize with him, too, because obviously I know what it's like in the midst of addiction. But don't make it easy on him or he has no reason to want to quit. Tell him to try rehab and see what life is like sober. If he gives it a real shot, I promise he'll see it's a much happier life.
He might have to hit bottom to get back up, and kicking him out might be what it takes. Best of luck and keep us updated. Post on one of the newest messages too, and you'll probably get more replies.
tracy

[marsmom]

I've been reading this forum for over a month and I am so impressed with all the candid and 'real' life experiences.

My son has been using Oxy for over a year and we only recently found out what it was. We knew that he wasn't himself. He and his girlfriend have been in extreme fights that we thought were caused by alcohol abuse. It turns out she also was on OXY and the fights were always about money. Their relationship is trashed as far as I can tell. There seems to be a codependency on both their parts.

He is 22 and lives at home and recently got a good job. He has incurred many bills and is trying to pay them off. When all this came out about the Oxy and how much he and his girlf. spent, we realized how addicted he was.

Because of the excessive fighting, filthy language and late hours, cooking everthing in sight, leaving food, dishes, utensil filthy when they come in and complete disregard for the rest of our family, who is usually sleeping. We have given him an ultimatum. He was to either go to a rehab or try to withdraw himself. He tried it himself and has failed. We are now giving him one day to 'decide' whether he wants to live here (free), stay away from girlf., and go to a rehab or leave our home. We have other children (a 14 yr. old, a 20 yr. old and a grandchild on the way.) His bills are enormous and he really has no money because of this addiction.

We have tried to help him out financially, but we are also tapped out.

In all your experience, have we given him the right choices? Watching our vibrant son nodding off is heartbreaking. We love him and want him with us, but not at the expense of our whole family disrupted on a daily basis.

It is really hard for me to use 'tough love'. We never know what or 'who' we will be dealing with from day to day.

Please help, you all are a blessing and this forum has informed me more than any doctor or rehab facility I've talked to.

Thank you.

[marsmom]

I've been reading this forum for over a month and I am so impressed with all the candid and 'real' life experiences.

My son has been using Oxy for over a year and we only recently found out what it was. We knew that he wasn't himself. He and his girlfriend have been in extreme fights that we thought were caused by alcohol abuse. It turns out she also was on OXY and the fights were always about money. Their relationship is trashed as far as I can tell. There seems to be a codependency on both their parts.

He is 22 and lives at home and recently got a good job. He has incurred many bills and is trying to pay them off. When all this came out about the Oxy and how much he and his girlf. spent, we realized how addicted he was.

Because of the excessive fighting, filthy language and late hours, cooking everthing in sight, leaving food, dishes, utensil filthy when they come in and complete disregard for the rest of our family, who is usually sleeping. We have given him an ultimatum. He was to either go to a rehab or try to withdraw himself. He tried it himself and has failed. We are now giving him one day to 'decide' whether he wants to live here (free), stay away from girlf., and go to a rehab or leave our home. We have other children (a 14 yr. old, a 20 yr. old and a grandchild on the way.) His bills are enormous and he really has no money because of this addiction.

We have tried to help him out financially, but we are also tapped out.

In all your experience, have we given him the right choices? Watching our vibrant son nodding off is heartbreaking. We love him and want him with us, but not at the expense of our whole family disrupted on a daily basis.

We never know what or 'who' we will be dealing with from day to day.

Please help, you all are a blessing and this forum has informed me more than any doctor or rehab facility I've talked to.

Thank you.

[slickrock]

hang in there.  YOU CAN DO IT.  DON'T WORRY.  THIS TO SHALL PASS AND YOU WILL HAVE YOUR CHANCE TO QUIT.  NOTHING MATTERS MORE

[tex3]

Hi and welcome. Many here, myself included, can relate. I withdrew twice a month like clockwork until I started getting shorter scripts. It sucks. Are you ready to do it for good? Because it gets worse each time so if you keep it up you'll be in for hell. It's no fun being an addict, the pill-seeking, all-consuming need. How much are you taking? Hang in there and post under the newest topic to get more replies, but know we're all here for you and nothing you've done hasn't been done already, so don't be ashamed. Let us know how you're feeling.
tracy

[JemDiamond]

Hi~this is my first time looking at this site, and I'm not absolutely sure what it is, but it might just be what I need. I have been addicted to Fioricet for many years, and I desperately want to get off and stay off it. I go through withdrawels about once or twice a month, whenever I run out, and I am just finishing up a bout of throwing up for 2 days even as I write this. The pain in my head is pretty bad, which is why I was taking the Fioricet in the first place, but I've decided I just can't live my life like this--secretly addicted, no one knowing about it, suffering through withdrawel symptoms all alone and then just bouncing right back to it as soon as I can get a refill...if anyone can relate, or offer some advice (what is this "recipe" thing I keep reading about?), or just some encouragement, it would be really appreciated! I'm past the worst of the symptoms this time, and I really feel motivated to kick it for good. Although it sounds like an oxymoron, throwing up really sucks!

[jennyfla]

Just wanted to shout out and tell everyone that i miss you all lately.
I'm still hanging in there, always wanted to 'stop', and just not doing what it takes.
I've had many many stresses lately (what's new), and i am also getting sicker and sicker of these pills (good thing).
My husband broke his arm in 5 places back 2 1/2 weeks ago, so it's been very stressful lately, not to mention his pain.  He has a kingsize tolerance, and feels every bit of the pain, even with meds.
I'm getting ready to leave on a business trip tomorrow morning for three days.  I'm taking my youngest to my parents' house (close to the meeting), and leaving the other two behind with my crippled husband.  The stress is incredible.
I'm trying to gain some weight, i'm very low and worried about that, can't seem to gain.
Anyway, i was reading through some of your posts, and it made me remember just how wonderful you all are!!!!
Hope to post a lot soon, hopefully with some good news of quitting for good this time.
Hang in there!
Lv Jenny

[skipper]

hey:
yeah get to the vitamin place (gnc or what ever) get on the supplements asap. how are you doing? by that i mean are you still shooting yourself to pieces witn crank, or have you been abstenent? the sooner off crystal speed the beter. and believe me you will feel beter after a week or two off. ya' know i really gave speed the old junky go of it and came up a loser every time i went around with it. this is one drug should never be legal! the best suggestion i have for you is the recipe, lots of meat to eat (carnivore), and sleep. get yourself somewhere you can crash for 18-30 hours, somewhere where some one will keep an eye on you too. coming off even 2 days of speed is awful goddam unpleasent, in fact that's how i became a junky! the good news is most folks come off more or less completly in 2-3 weeks. i believe the best  thing to have around you at this point, is someone who loves you enough to stand by you. if you don't have that it will be more difficut, but do-able.

i just can't stress enough, speeed is for foolish kids! kids with
all kinds of good health and happiness to burn....please keep
posting

and keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[1fortheroad]

that's a much better name (i think).  i hope you're feeling better...

[Loser]

Thanks for the reply.  You are right about my screen name.  It is a loser!  I will change it as soon as I can figure t how.

I'm am glad to meet a kindred spirit.  I have pretty much stayed away from pain killers and other downers.  I have always said because I dislike not beinr in control.  Ha, as if I were in control with the speed!  I have talked to people who kicked heroin addition with speed but not the other way round.  Thanks for not recommending it for others.

I will find the recipe and try purchasing the ingredients tomorrow.  I don't think Whole Foods stays open 24 hours so I will try to get out of bed tomorrow.  

Good luck with your demons and I look forward to meeting that angel soon.

Peace,

TOFKAL (The One Formerly Known As Loser)