Withdrawel's from pain medications

[Dangel47]

I have been reading your stories on this website for several days. I was interested in finding out more information on been hooked on pain medications. I discovered I am a drug addict.  Please don't laugh. This website has been most informative. I have been taking loritabs on and off for years. I started taking them when I was at my mothers house for headaches. She'd give them to me freely. She was on 10's for back pain and the doctor would give her as many as she wanted. She would give me several and I would take 2 to 3 at a time. I started taking them from her purse and from other peoples houses for years. I felt very bad and could not understand why I was doing this because it would make me feel awful (because I knew it was wrong) but great phsically. I hated myself for doing these things but would you believe I felt like I could not stop?  I have tried to stop but can't.  I need help but I don't want no-one to know about these things. Recently my husband had a shoulder injury and went into the hospital for an operation and I have taken several of his capsules for pain. He does not need them no more but I am continuously calling his doctor for refills and I am afraid. I am really hooked on these things now because its been 4 months and I have been taken them everyday at least 4 to 6 times (7.5's).  I need help. What do I do? I can not stop. I need help>please. I only have 6 left. Thankyou for listening.....

[pjsbabygirl]

Dr>Steve or anyone please............my husband and I have been taking loracet and xanax.........he is withdrawing from both and me just from the xanax......what a nightmare......nights are terrible........barely sleep and sore from tensing up all night long.......he is in bad shape...........any advice....im afraid we are going to die.............he was taking 1 and a half mg xanax and 4 loracets a day.......help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!need detox recipe

[3504]

looking for a detox recipe, i've been reading about

[tryn2rson]

I have been noticing the detox recipes throughout the forum, but I cannot find them anywhere. Could you help me please.
THANKS

[cindi]

It his detox recipe from opiates    I'm not too sure f that workds with H but it does work for hydro.........post a question to thomas more to the top of the board  more people will see it,,,,             cindi

[helloj]

What is this Thomas kit to withdraw from H

[cindi]

Listen to what Jb tells you,,,he and a few others here are the ultimate in giving out little pearls of wisdom when it comes to real life.....no sugarcoating here....from any of them,,,,oxys are a tough drug....your husband is a good father,,,,he wouldn't be so good if her were dead...they will take him down further...me, JB and a few others here have not only had to deal with the addiction/health issues but the legal ramifications as well,,,felonies, lost professional careers, bad health problems and we are all in chronic contant pain as well...so we do know how you and your husband feel....swallow any pride you may have....addiction is a humbling disease....allow a prefessionl to step in and intervene....they can help with the addiction side of it and perhaps get you in touch with a pain management specialist...if your lucky  one that has knowledge of addiciton issues....if your lucky.....hang tight and good luck   love to all   cin

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

You really do have some tough decisions to make regarding your husband's health.  If he is still using Oxys, he needs to be detoxed under medical supervision.  I've no experience with Oxys but have had problems with drugs like morphine and herione. I was detoxed twice in a locked ward in the hospital.  The third time was in the county jail.  Without going into details, the hospital is a much better place.  A small number of us can detox at home and get on with life.  But I wouldn't count on that being your husbands' best solution.

It gets to the point that you can't worry about HMO coverage or the fact that your husband is such a good babysitter.  This is a life and death matter for him, you and your child.  Now quit making excuses and do some leg work. Contact someone in NA or AA for starters.  They may be able to assist you.  The point is, there are a lot of helpful people out here that can help you.  Whether or not your husband can be helped is almost entirely up to him.  Your support of him is entirely up to you!  J.B.

[hardworkingmom]

Hello, I'm new here.  My husband is addicted to Oxycontin.  He's suffured from ongoing pain since a back injury and after years of no insurance and going to walk in clinics only to receive other opiates (he's allergic to nsaids), he has found the past few years that oxycontin is the only thing that helps him.  He needs to get off of it, it has caused him to not be able to work in years and he is laid up in bed when he doesn't have his pills.  He doesn't drink alchohal, just these pills.  Everytime he's tried to wean down or switch to lesser evils (darvacit) it still doesn't work, he gets severly ill.

Yesterday, after thinking he had been clean for several months, I found out different.  He was either out of our family's life or going for professional help.  He wants to go on a methodone treatment and wants off of these pills, afterall he won't be able to get them anymore since I made threats of calling the law on the person supplying them to him.

Problem, we are on an HMO health plan and I called my counselor to see what the routine was, she said he needs to get his doctor to write a referral to detox.  He doesn't want to go in a hospital, it would also severaly disable our family functions if he wasn't taking care of our little one (he's a wonderful father regardless of addiction) and he wants to do an outpatient treatment.  We are concerned that once we call that all heck is going to break loose and be dragged into something completely different.  He also needs pain management or atleast for the doctor to find a way to fix his problem, whether it be back surgery or whatever, which the doc has refused to further investigate so we have little trust in this doctor to be able to call for detox.

I guess this is the big step and we really need some help pushing forward with it.  I'm not sure if there are patient rights that we should know about, like what kind of treatment he gets.  He does not want to be institutionalized and forced cold turkey.  He's tried it at home and it is like having the worst flu and being a grown man it sure did make him cry.  I know methadone would work for him and he knows it too.  I just worry about being HMO that they may not provide that kind of treatment and just put him through what he has gone through at home.

Please give some advice.

Thanks

[Thomas]

ah, Bukowski ... one of the truly great drunken poets of the world. I think his "bio" movie, Barfly, was one of the best movies I have ever seen. Certainly Mickey Rourke's role of a lifetime. My wife and I love to watch the end when he's just punched out Frank Stallone the bartender and is buying rounds of drinks at this skid row bar, toasting, "To all my frieeeeeeeeends!" too good. I should revisit his poetry. I'd probably understand it now. Thanks for the memory jog.



did skipper want a good "cheer up" movie? It has nothing to do with drugs, but my wife and I always get a lift out of As Good as it Gets. Hellen Hunt is wonderful as a single mom struggling with life like real people. Nicolson isn't bad, either. A keeper. By James Brooks who did Terms of Endearment and made the Simpsons, among other great stuff.

To all my frieeeeeeeends!

Thomas

[cindi]

we as parents always and I mean always question our parenting skills...discipline is a very necessary part of raising children...and believe me,,,as a preschool teacher i have learned that children thrive on discipline,,, by correcting them and disciplining them you are showing them that you really do love them....this is why some children misbehave..they are looking for attention. they are looking for discipline...a negative reaction form you really does signal to them that you care....I also learned about this during my pediatric and childhood behaviour problems in workshops and pediatric nursing...my parents were hard on me  especially dad,,in when the streetlights came on...not allowed to date until I was 16,,,chores, respect etc...and I know today the reasons for all of this...he loved me,,as you love your children..and JB  I am sure that while you may not have been a perfect parent as none of us are,,,you were the best daddy you could be for your children....and on  a daily basis I do question my parenting abilities...and i also draw the same conclusion,,,I am the best mommy for Jenna and Alec...I am what they need.....as you were for your children...now, if you were abusive then that is whole different ball game....and many people do cross that line between discipline and abuse....two seperate entities....rest assured your methods of disclipine were what was best for JB and the JB kids.....love cin  now you have me crying....tears are a great cleaner for the keyboard.....

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I was just thinking while looking through photos of me and my kids.  Did I love them enough?  I was always such a disciplainarian, so strict with them.  It was always "keep your hands in your pockets, don't make a scene, keep your room clean". And on and on about being good.  I used to smile while going downstairs after putting them to bed, they were so good!  Was I a good father?  Maybe I should have been more fun and just enjoyed them and....I don't know.  When you get to looking back, life is very short.  J.B. with tears in my eyes

[cindi]

PS    You guys all know i was just funnin ya about  being 50...LOL  i heard 50 year old guys are really hot.......:)

[cindi]

we have our hero's  bet you guys could never guess who my heros are....go ahead and try...........if you need a hint i'll bend....love all of you      cin

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Whoa, Cindi, I still have four months to go before I'm the big 50!  Anyways, a lot of my "older friends" tell me that life gets better after 50.  I really hope so!

Yes, I actually have five grandchildren, Skip.  The oldest will be eight on next Sunday.  She is the daughter of my own late daughter who passed two years ago from epilepsy. My daughter's husband passed the year before due to some sort of uncontrolable infection while hospitalized at Scripps Hospital in San Diego.

Life is like that so enjoy every minute.  All I really want is to be here mentally and physically for my wife and family as long as I can.  My wife has terminal cancer but keeps on going like the Energizer Bunny.  She's my hero.  We have the ability to be heroes...all of us to someone, in some way. J.B.

[skipper]

JB a granddaughter!!! Life is real short so fill her's with all the
the love you can, it will come back tenfold!
cindi: i am not quite sure what i was about in my last post. I'm 50
+ years. if i'm lucky and don't die with a binky hype rig hanging
from my arm (full of blue clotted blood) i've got maybe 20 years to
go. What the hell is it about? Some days i feel as if my wife and i
are just characters from a Charles Bukowski story (Thomas you must
have read some of his stuff). mortality is chewing this old rats
tail off, and infinity is just beyond my feeble fingers grasp....
some days i just want to tie off and get blasted cause crying aint cool and its to damm much work. But the somedays there is a crak in the comic egg and i'm treated to a glance at the inner workings of this place in infinity we occupy.

I've said it before-
i used to awake bewildered
a small person in a small world.
now i awake bewondered still
a small person in ever expanding world.

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[cindi]

go and be with your precious granddaughter,,,my daughter is almost 8....this is a special time for them....little girls are really special anyway   (sometimes a real pain in the ass though  LOL)  you go and remember to smell the roses....watch her blow out candles..and you proud grandpa remember to also sing the loudest for you have something to celebrate.......love cin

[cindi]

I dare anyone to say that they have never made a mistake...everyone has skeletons somewhere if not in their closet...............

[cindi]

Ok,,,,,,here's the deal.....you are human..I am huma...we have mad some very bad choices, I almost lost my freedom and my life  a few good times....I have felt I was a disappointment to my sisters, brothers and parents....but they never judged me...so what, some others have thought of me differently...poor cindi really ****** her nice little life up.....oh well, now she'll burn for it....I never told anyone when I was little I wanted to be an addict or take addiction 101 as a pre requisite to nursing..and you my friend are a most kind a caring person...and the best part of skipper is your honesty, your "realness" your so genuine and right to the point no sugar coating anything which I greatly admire in you and in yours...I had always been ashamed of who I turned out to be.....and have shielded my kids  at least for the time being..i do not want them to view me as a dope head......or know in highschool I hung with and was a "stoner".....yet,,,,my mom God rest her soul told me to hold my head up high and look em straight in the eyes...my mom who sat there in court with me wearing her oxygen crying for me was not embarrassed by me.....the others that judge are worthless pieces of **** that know nothing about this..... plain and simple....we are all human and in this together....this life......love cin

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Thank you for your kind support!  I came here today white knuckling it and now I'm actually thinking ahead and making plans for next weekend. We are going up to Chicago to celebrate my grand daughter's 8th birthday.  You are correct in that I should not be so hard on myself, but that's how I've always been.  I'm also a perfectionist.  What a fatal combination!  I promise that I will take it easy on myself and just smell the roses for a while!  J.B.

[skipper]

early this morning , i read a post from Thomas. He used the phrase
"been in the life." My wife sometimes has accused me of "loving
the life." now i'll be honest here, i've always looked at myself as
just an average "jumping bean," getting by. but now since Thomas
brought the term "In the Life," and my wife telling me "I love the
Life."-----**** it was like getting sartori (sudden enlightenment-
say a kick in your ******* eye). i never thought of myself as some-
thing from a book i read, or a movie i've seen! I guess it's pretty
much different when one get to see (or be) the real thing complete
with the emotional fragilitiys, the precious breath of individual-
ity that all humans tenuiously cling to. i guess when i lay my life
out and look at everything good and bad, right and wrong, hatefull
or loving....... i'm a unique mix of circumstance, good and bad
choices, and yes a drug addict. i never intended to end up a pro-
found disapointment to my parents, a loser in the eyes of many, i
was just reacting to circumstance with mostly bad choices. but
wait- what about the rest of me- god didn't build a total piece of
****---- i could go on and on.... i guess i'm mostly human.

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Frank Lee]

Good morning,

The good doc is treating me with a dx of Chronic back pain and anxiety - damn accurate if not fully forthcoming. He is the director of a detox facility. I won't have substance abuse as a diagnosis, even though it is. Why? Because like you I would lose my job. I am very high profile and am the president of a state organization. Those of us with substance abuse problems (mine should really be valium deficiency) are clearly not the darlings of the pharmomedic complex.

Let's take an example. Dr. Steve would certainly not equate a nicotine junkie with a vicodin junkie. In fact, if Dr. Steve

[skipper]

thomas:
if you liked the movie "drugstore cowboy,"get the book written by
Jim foggle. He needs the royalty money as he doing life in WAlla-
wala state prision. you know the first 15 miutes of that movie were
so well done it still has me on the edge of my seat after watching
it 20 times.my hats off to gus vansant.
panic in needle park was also good. one of Pacino best rolls- but
it was dated well before my time ( $2.00 bags of H!!)
I've read everything of ervine welsh - his best is "Acid Housae."

[Thomas]

Trainspotting was amazing! It's on the A-list of great junkie films, right next to my personal favorite (I wonder why) Gus Van Sant's Drugstore Cowboy. Anyone who's been in the life and hasn't seen those two is just doin somethin wrong! Drugstore Cowboy is a must if only to see a cameo of a great literary junkie, William S. Boroughs as Father Tim the methadone priest. I must say this, though, I thought the junkie's withdrawal kit in trainspotting was pathetic. But that scene in the ER where they give him Narcan ... instant full-on withdrawals! God, that gives me the shivers just thinking about it ...

For 70's film fans, or Pacino fans, Panic in Needle Park isn't bad. I bet we've all got a film or two in our bios. Sid and Nancy ... ah the list does run on and on. Thanks for the images. That's about as close as I'm going to get to anything good tonight. Hope your neck feels better ... but, seriously, next time you're about to turn down Percs, drop me a line first-- what a sacrilege!


Frank L:

no one can say you're not fighting it. don't beat yourself up over a few norcos. it took years to get where you're at. it will take a considerable time to climb back ... at least your med-savvy and have access to a good doc. The only way I could do a detox or get an addiction specialist would be on insurance and my goddamn employer would find out just like that. Poof! El job-o el-gone-o! It costs less to stay an rx junkie these days than it does to get first-rate help.

Thomas

[skipper]

hey people:
haven't posted much lately. i guess i've sunk into not such a bad rut lately- 40mg. oxy-c 3 times a day. the spinal fussion had all
the aspects of healing up until i really hammered my head on the
underside of desk trying to plug diagnostic equipment into a local
area network jack. now any of you thatr know me, know i have a real hard head. but man my neck really swelled up at the fusion site.
now i know i'ld sworn off hospital and er rooms (big creep shows
at the very best), but went to one anyway. turned out the fussion was ok but i sprained my neck! any one ever SPRAIN THEIR *******
NECK? they gave me valium which helped some. also 20 percocet which
i threw back at the bewildered er doc. he couldn' understand i was
taking 20 mg more than his whole 20 percocets. as i was leaving
the man in the cubicle next to me started screaming someone stole
his pants, and i must've looked like the prime suspect. jees, i've been a drug felon and thief for 35 years and never once did
i think of stealing anyones pants. i mean one has to have limits--i did steal several rolls of toliet paper--ah the joys of youth! anyhow hospitals are creep shows and i plan on staying away from them. now if i could have a nurse like cindi-- well maybe not handling my drugs--ah **** i'm weak of will, so i guess i should indulge someone else.
cindi: add to that list of movies "Train  Spotting" and "acid
House" (not out yet). Their both based on books by Irvine Welsh.
He is a scotish drug addict who writes of the junkys of edinburha
and glasgow. he writes in the venacular so it's a little hard to
get at first, but highly worth it! all you good people having
the jones or the post jones depression, pick up some books dam-
it. you can be unhappy, but you don't have to be unread!

keep an angel on your shoulder
          kip