help plz

[perry88]

I was never on opiates before I found suboxen a friend interduce it to me I was takin about an eighth or less a day a whole pill would last a week for me i stoped Monday was my last does Monday mourning. Ive seen were ppl say it done start till day four but today is day four n ive been feeling legs cramping n elbows so bad last night. I cant sleep at all my mind is racing there's no way I cant b going through withdrawal plz any info or past experience of how long this last baby hope n site of sleep

[Amandag78]

Hey Perry, im glad your feeling a bit better today : )
So glad to hear your energy is coming back slowly already.
Hang in there, its well worth the effort, take care : )

[perry88]

Thank u I'm feeling good today my energy is coming back slowly and u know I heard the same thing about suboxen wd last months on to of months u can quit if u wan I know two other ppl who stoped cold turkey n the pain last about two weeks yes sleep is still hard to get but I lost myself n boxes n I'm so glade I'm back its worth not sleeping alot so if u decide to stop u can n thank u for the help it means alot

[Cynamyngrlx68]

Hey perry88! Congrats man! Im an ex IV drug user..now on methadone for 11 yrs. Suboxone is used for the same thing but like another poster had said, its becoming a street drug now and just as abused as many other opiates even tho its an opiate agonist. I would tell you to try melatonin melts (get them in any health food or pharmacy) they are great for natural sleep aid and Ive not heard of side effects if any. If I had seen your post sooner I would have suggested the blood pressure medicine Clonidine (name brand Catapres) for the heart racing and sleeplessness. If you know anyone goin thru WD this drug can be a real life saver. Ive also used Loperamide in larger doses as well for multiple purposes during WD too. There are lots of things that help but nothing really makes you feel better than good old time. Ive heard ppl say that on methadone WD they are still feeling like garbage even after a YEAR! That scares me green! I know due to other issues I will probably be on this til I die but I have done cold turkey WD off other things and do know some tricks here and there. Hope you continue to do well ..we are all cheering for you!!!

[perry88]

Day ten feel great got some trazadone to sleep working great also thank u guys for all the support

[perry88]

Thanks

[weaver71]

That's great, I'm glad you feel better. One of the sayings in recovery is, "Take what works and leave the rest." also, "when something doesn't work, do something else." That goes for sleep as well. If I tried to sleep, but it didn't work, I'd get up and stretch, walk, write, then I'd try again. When I didn't sleep for 21 days, I remember resting my mind. Meditation helped rest my mind enough to function on no sleep. So, try to let your mind rest, we heal mostly in our resting time, even if we don't actually fall asleep. Keep on going, it just gets better and better, sometimes fast, sometimes slow, but progress always materializes for those who work for it.

[perry88]

I feel great today day 6 I slept a lil tonight didn't take anything either not even the restless legs n arms thank u all for the advice n info

[perry88]

Thank I really really needed to hear that I have been walking alot it helps got some vitamins n fish oil today foreign myself to eat n drink thank u fir ur info it gives me hope

[EvolverU]

Hi & welcome,

Benadryl isn't really a sleep aid so much as it's an antihistamine. If it didn't help last night, odds are that it won't tonight either. I tried to take it early on for sleep as well as some other suggested medications and came to the conclusion that it was interfering w/ my brain and body's healing. It left me feeling even worse, too. Not sleeping is the toughest part of the whole thing but hang in there -- it'll come! The best thing you can do right now is to try to redirect your mind when you can't fall asleep. There's no point in struggling with it as it'll only make it worse. Hot baths w/ table or Epsom salts really help relax you & soothe your muscles. Exercise (even walking around the block or your yard) will help to oxygenate your body & kick-start those endorphins, full spectrum amino acids, all the b vitamins, N-acetyl Cysteine and maybe a Cal/Mag powdered supplement are also good aids. The other thing to remember is to stay hydrated to flush that stuff from your tissues and help your body start to repair itself.

The more time you get under your belt, the more these things will help. Your body is in a sort of acute fight or flight mode right now and your neurotransmitters and digestion need time to heal and balance out. What you're going through is completely 'normal'. (Ha! How's that for consolation?) Don't worry -- there's light @ the end of the tunnel. You'll be through your acute withdrawal in a matter of a week or two.

Hold Fast & Stay with us. You're doing great!

[perry88]

Is it ok to take a sleep aid like benadryl I took two last night n felt like crap I done know if this reacts to the wd or wat

[perry88]

Thank u so much I just need some advice n help im not n unbearable pain the no sleep is the worst 21 days seems long but I know the end IS near ive heard ppl say they was on day 60 n still feeling wd I couldn't do that long im very grateful for the feed back thank u all

[weaver71]

It takes 21 days for your last dose to leave your body, usually that is a turning point for sleep and restlessness. Then you have to wait for your natural brain chemistry to start producing again, that is different for everyone. It is a long ride, but it is so worth it. If you continue, it will only get worse.

Amino acid shakes
Omega fatty acids
Cal/mag/zinc
electrolytes, like EmergenC or Lemon/lime water
drink lots of water
keep moving, go for walks or anything

Those are the things needed to get your natural balance back, but know that you will return, you just have to ride through this part.

[weaver71]

Yep, that's sub withdrawal for you. Can you believe that doctors believed there was no withdrawal for years, they thought it was all in people's heads. Well, it is in your head, especially after consistently taking the second strongest opioid known to man. Your brain receptors have shrunk and recessed, your body can't make as many chemicals to relax, sleep, and kill pain as sub was providing. It will take some time for your brain to kick start again. Just remember this, sub is the fastest growing illicit drug in the world, it is very addictive and is more and more available on the street. Honestly, you just need to stay away from it. If that was a "friend" that hooked you up with this path, then it doesn't sound like you need any enemies. It will take some time, but you will heal. So, do you think you are an addict?

[perry88]

No never an pain pills or anything I lost my wife n kids about 8 months ago I guess we just grew apart I pay child support n she still will not let me c my kids its not because of drugs all I used to do was smoke weed ive been smoking since I was 13 I meet suboxen n I loved how happy it made me n the enegry it gave me I used every day from day one I work make good mo eg I thought it from a doctor seven though I was getting it on the streets how bad. Could it b I had no ideal im not dead so im taking it I meet an amazing women who has to boys n i wanna stop this **** before I try to take o. Her boys n b a role more to them any advice or past exp of how long n when it stops I dot k ow the millgram of the pills it was a peach pill every time for about 6 month's one pill would last me a week I would use n the morning g n at night. Thank u guys so much

[perry88]

Thank u

[nursegirl6572]

How long were you taking the sub?  An 1/8 of what mg pill?  It sounds like you were taking subs consistently, daily?  If so, you absolutely would likely experience w/ds.  You weren't taking any opiates before the sub?

Unfortunately, sub w/d can be a bit worse than the w/d of other opiates.  There's nothing you can do except give it time.

I'd also strongly recommend talking to a professional about why you were abusing subs.  

[Dozeman]

sounds like w/d to me I am no expert but from what I here that sounds about right they say the subs have a very long half life so you will have to stay strong someone that knows more will come along soon enough when I mentioned subs they told me to get in touch will a girl on here named scarrieann she has been threw it and may help you all I can do is cheer you on