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it appears that i have been addicted to the neosyneferin nasal spray for two years now..it all began when i became ill with a siunus infection and i needed something to open my nasal passages..i started on the neosynefrin and could never get off it after that..i also suffer from time to time with what the doctor refered to as medicine nose, which is what i am going through again at the moment..my nose is continually blocked with constant discharge..i need to spray almost every half hour or so and sometimes more frequently..i'm nervous and panicky, irritable, can only sleep at one hour intervals and feel like i'm suffocating...i dread going to another specialist and being told that the only way out is going off the spray cold turkey which is unimaginable or having an operation..please tell me that in this day and age there is another possible route out of this madness..

desperate for your reply,
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I went to the edit but there was nothing about HTML... just "select all, paste, find on this page" .... oh well !!! I am not too interested in this .

I do have a couple of questions... can you tell me your take on Ibogaine ?? Have you tried it ?? Is it safe and how does it work on addiction?  I am fully aware that it is very illegal in the US and Belgium... but not anywhere else. Would you recommend that a suffering addict try it for either detox or other positive side effects ?? I am intrigued but the information available is difficult to verify at best.

Thanks very much. Brighty
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Hi Spook, Talk to me about Ritalin.   Alot of Hype here about people abusing it.  snorting it ect.  I think this may be happening to my friends' son.  Since it is not "made to be snorted"  this can be even more dangerous.....Thanks a bunch   Cindi
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Ok, Now I am really confused regarding HTML..I thought I was computer literate simply because I was able to turn the thing on and shut it down.  It's pretty cool to see what can be done....Like Spook's black square...Guess I'm bored today.  Anyway, Many years ago (now we are going back 15 or 20 years) I suffered from Migraines and they put me on Inderal and Elavil..I suppose the idea is the same.  I must be misinformed but I thought that Opiates were contraindicated in Migraines because they have a tendency to increase Intercranial pressure thus causing a more severe headache?  Well, at any rate it doesn't matter if it helps.  Patrick,  Your input is so greatly valued in this forum I hope You never decide to leave, I hope Dan doesn't hurt your feelings either.  I really cannot stand for one person to put another down, and it really irks me when someone purposely hurts another.  Have a great day everybody  Love to all cindi
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I mean the edit icon on your browser along the same horizontal line as your back and forward icons,their should also be history,stop,refresh,full screen etc as well,you are looking at the edit text above this icon tool bar I am talking about,the one you mention is a drop down menu with the items you mention just above the one I want you to see..
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<b>You got all that yet Brighty</b>

Just showing off how to do bold writing.......
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<b>Sounds Good to Me!</b>

Human Studies.
    Numerous psychotropic actions of ibogaine have been reported. These actions seem to depend on both dose and setting. In addition, the psychoactive effects of iboga extracts (which are likely to contain additional alkaloids and are usually taken in a ritualistic setting) may be different from those of ibogaine. Thus, users of the crude extract of Tabernanthe iboga taken in sufficiently high doses have reported fantastic visions, feelings of excitement, drunkenness, mental confusion and hallucinations when (101). The total extract of iboga shrub is certainly a central stimulant, and in higher doses may lead to convulsions, paralysis and finally respiratory arrest. The psychotropic actions of the plant extract include visual sensations; objects are seen to be surrounded by specters or rainbows. In high doses it may produce auditory, olfactory and taste synesthesias. The state of mind has been reported to vary from profound fear to frank euphoria (141).
    When given orally, both ibogaine and the total iboga extract elicits subjective reactions that last for approximately 6 hours. Fifty percent of subjects are reported to experience dizziness, incoordination, nausea, and vomiting (7,33,142). Typically, the drug produced a state of drowsiness in which subjects did not want to move, open their eyes, or attend to the environment. Many subjects were light-sensitive, and covered their eyes or asked that the lights be turned off. Sounds or noises were disturbing. Ibogalin (0.1-1.2 mg/kg, p.o.), an alkaloid closely related to ibogaine and a constituent of the total iboga extract, did not produce psychotomimetic effects in humans (143). Ibogalin also differs from ibogaine in pharmacokinetics and tremorigenic activity (90).
    The psychoactive properties of ibogaine and related compounds were studied by Naranjo (33,142) who reported that patients described the psychic state produced by ibogaine (~ 300 mg) as similar to a dream state without loss of consciousness. Ibogaine-induced fantasies [often described as a "movie run at high speed" or "slide show" (7)] were reported as rich in archetypal contents, involving animals and/or the subject with or without other individuals. These fantasies were easy to manipulate by both the subjects and the psychotherapist (33,142). At higher doses, ibogaine appears to produce visual and other hallucinations associated with severe anxiety and apprehension (101,144,145).




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Hello,no I have not tried it(yet) and do not think it is illegal here(I have to check my schedule 8-list,same as schedule 1 and 2 in USA)actually they stuffed up our regulations here,nobody has noticed yet but hydromorphone(Dilaudid)is not classified or scheduled ,I have just spent a while studying it(see link below),and apparently nobody has any idea how it works or exactly how well it works,much more research needs to be done,on top of that it is undoubtably a Hallucinogen and possible euphorigen/the natives who chewed the root claimed aphrodisiac effects and CNS stimulation.
I think Clonidine is the best thing to take to alleviate acute Opioid withdrawal symptoms.Ibogaine is claiming to prevent reward from Opioids occuring,and help alleviate withdrawal symptoms,prevent addiction,and or relapse,they claim it is not rewarding or addictive ,but the US GOVT rapidly made it an Schedule1 drug.I think it is a very complex molecule that acts synergistically through very many Neuro-systems.
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<a href="http://www.ibogaine.org/alkaloids.html" target="_new">Everything One would ever need to know about Ibogaine</a>.
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Hi Cindi,In australia Ritalin is a schedule 8,that makes it a schedule 2 in USA,and it is only used for ADHD(and possibly refractive Narcolepsy),the abuse potential of Ritalin is slightly less than Dexedrine(D-Amphetamine)and therefore it is under strict control by the Health Dept,from what I have heard Ritalin is prescibed for Depression in America and to quote somebody "handed out like candy",this I find very curious?.First pass Metabolism by the Liver results in approx 30% Bioavailability,meaning that snorting or injecting will increase effects threefold,as well as change Pharmacodynamic properties to the extent that a sudden increase in blood Plasma levels will occur,this illicits profound euphoria of the usual CNS stimulant type(similar to amphetamine high),as Ritalin through poorly understood mechanisms stimulates the RAS(reticular activating system )and Cortex.Plasma half life is around 2-3 hours.
treatment of overdose is supportive measures aimed at reducing Hypertension and gastric lavage,IV diazepam (Valium)or Haloperidol for Agitation,Hypertension controlled by the usual alpha-adrenergic blocking agents.
Intensive care for maintaining circulation and respiration will be required in extreme OD along with external cooling.
So it is not really any diffent to treating somebody for Amphetamine or cocaine overdose (or any Psychomotor Stimulant)
You would need a big nose and a lot of tabs to shut down circ and resp.So I think it is in my humble opinion no more toxic than dexedrine or Phenylephrine,ie just do not OD and know that it is Addictive,No Neurotoxicity had been demonstrated.
Best to just have a nice strong coffee,I think.....then again I would try it,maybe once or twice.
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Thank you.. I am familiar with the material you posted on Ibogaine. I am most interested in understanding it's powerful and unmistakable ability to interrupt addiction, to also bring a person through a withdrawl unscathed and without discomfort and it's effect on the neurotransmitter system to relieve cravings... almost totally in many people. Of course the US scheduled it... maybe because it works. Also seems to be in keeping with our other archaic drug laws that make criminals out of wounded people. It is not addictive and has a nearly zero abuse potential. I was wondering if you had personal experience to share. No problem... I am grateful for all the other information you have provided here. Love, Brighty
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Ok... I am not seeing what you say I should .

Top tool bar: file, edit,view, favorites, tools, help

the 'edit' there is a pop down with:cut, copy,paste, select all, find(on this page)

Lower tool bar: back, forward, stop, refresh,home, seaarch, favorites, history, print, real.com

Below that is just the address window,go, links

See... I don't have another 'edit' ..... now what ???
Love, Brighty
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<b>Sorry correction,rename to Key.vbs-see below</b>
Now you have found the tool bar I am talking about you will have to add EDIT to it if it is not their as you say.
1.right click on this tool bar
2.left click "customize"
3.from the "available tool bar options"left plane-box find EDIT
4.left click to highlight
5.now click "ADD"
6.and finally close.
note- while you are their you may want to get rid of the silly,invasive real.com icon and select"small icons'see at bottom of same dialog box.That way your browser window frame will be bigger and tool bar smaller.If you want to make it all nice and neat put separators between each item(Icon).

Now when all this is done whenever you are viewing a web page and they are all HTML(Hyper text markup language)you can select "EDIT" and view the page in notepad,thus see how the page is constructed in HTML,as when viewed through your Browser it removes Markup Aspect of the language,from this observation you can learn how to add links ,colours,BOLD text,and many other things,until finally the Web site Administrator gets upset and tells you to stop playing around.Like with some sites I can embed Applications,VBS script,java applets,etc even a nasty little virus if somebody annoyed me.Restrictions depend on the security permissions of the Web page and the System Administrators Incompetence.
I hope you do not expect this all to be easy as I have been studying computing(all aspects now for about 14 months)and it is only in the last couple that I have been able to see how ridiculously easy every thing I told you above is and how LITTLE I know.And I have averaged about 6 hours study per day,If you copy and paste the below into a new text file(*.txt)and and then save then rename to Key.vbs and then double click it,you will see how powerful and simple "Visual Basic Scripting"(VBS)is.It is a very simple program I wrote to find missing product key numbers needed to reinstall or install Windows.  


  Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
pk = WshShell.RegRead("HKLM\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\productkey")
pkf = fso.GetSpecialFolder(2) & "\pk.txt"
Set f = fso.CreateTextFile(pkf,True)
f.WriteLine(pk)
f.Close
OK=MsgBox ("Product Key is " & pk & vbcrlf & close ,1,"Lukes Windows 9X Product key Finder" )
If close = 1 then WshShell.Run
fso.DeleteFile(pkf)
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Now you have found the tool bar I am talking about you will have to add EDIT to it if it is not their as you say.
1.right click on this tool bar
2.left click "customize"
3.from the "available tool bar options"left plane-box find EDIT
4.left click to highlight
5.now click "ADD"
6.and finally close.
note- while you are their you may want to get rid of the silly,invasive real.com icon and select"small icons'see at bottom of same dialog box.That way your browser window frame will be bigger and tool bar smaller.If you want to make it all nice and neat put separators between each item(Icon).

Now when all this is done whenever you are viewing a web page and they are all HTML(Hyper text markup language)you can select "EDIT" and view the page in notepad,thus see how the page is constructed in HTML,as when viewed through your Browser it removes Markup Aspect of the language,from this observation you can learn how to add links ,colours,BOLD text,and many other things,until finally the Web site Administrator gets upset and tells you to stop playing around.Like with some sites I can embed Applications,VBS script,java applets,etc even a nasty little virus if somebody annoyed me.Restrictions depend on the security permissions of the Web page and the System Administrators Incompetence.
I hope you do not expect this all to be easy as I have been studying computing(all aspects now for about 14 months)and it is only in the last couple that I have been able to see how ridiculously easy every thing I told you above is and how LITTLE I know.And I have averaged about 6 hours study per day,If you copy and paste the below into a new text file(*.txt)and and then save then rename to Key.reg and then double click it,you will see how powerful and simple "Visual Basic Scripting"(VBS)is.It is a very simple program I wrote to find missing product key numbers needed to reinstall or install Windows.  


  Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
pk = WshShell.RegRead("HKLM\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\productkey")
pkf = fso.GetSpecialFolder(2) & "\pk.txt"
Set f = fso.CreateTextFile(pkf,True)
f.WriteLine(pk)
f.Close
OK=MsgBox ("Product Key is " & pk & vbcrlf & close ,1,"Lukes Windows 9X Product key Finder" )
If close = 1 then WshShell.Run
fso.DeleteFile(pkf)
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WOW.... i have just added the edit and deleted the real.com.... I am going to print out your complete response and then do some playing !!! I don't think we are to use this board for computer class :-)) so I am printing everything... they have been really nice not to delete this yet !!! You have a very good way of presenting what you know... have you considered teaching ???

Thanks so much... I will now have a little more in my cranium than I awakened with today. :-))

Love, Brighty
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Just letting you know I read the above and appreciate it.I am 37 years old and single,never married and do not have children and both my parents are alive and well,my Mother works as a Solicitor and owns her own Firm and my Father is semi-retired(has an antique business)But was a Doctor of Zoology at our Main University.So as you can see,I am possibly just still a little baby really,anyway,I think I have soiled my social nappy enough for now,seeya soon.
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I really like you, Spook.  I'd like to sit down and enjoy a good bottle of beer with you some day!  J.B.
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If it was not for my `mild`-panick disorder induced aversion to being in public places(I have always been very very shy) and my long term cannabis use induced amotivational syndrome and poor short term memory,I would LOVE to teach,however money is not my reward and I just taught you something and feel good now,because of that.Maybe with Gods will ,I will reach out and help more people.Now going back to the point you suggested I could be a teacher,that is good because I know how to teach,I Know how to make people remember and add interest to otherwise boring subjects,and entertain them in the process,I have always lusted after a career where I can help and entertain at the same time.I will push on and maybe get there.Thank you for the compliment.Also I cannot help but thinking (please without putting my own mother down)if she had,had the empathy and intelligence and compassion of you I would be a teacher now,but because of her,she has taught me how to be independent and strong willed and emotionally self sufficient and I would not trade that for anything,even though it almost KILLED me in accepting my predicament.Sometimes I feel like talking to you more about your Daughter and how she got so far off the PATH with a KIND mother like you.
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Spook!! you absolutely amaze me on a daily basis.  You shy?  I would have never guess. Ahem...especially the penis talk in the other thread  LOL.  All kidding aside....You are right about you teaching,  Just by reading your posts I have learned something new everyday.  You are a very good teacher and very interesting I might add.  As far as Brighty's daugher and her path, I to had a very good mom, compassionate, caring and very very protective. I was brought up well, my dad was a police officer and kept tight reins on us.  I veered off of my path when i discovered that any "mood altering chemical" would make me feel less pain and make me happy all the time.  When I was around 29 I started heavily into the opiates rather than dabbling. The reason?  a terrible relationship that caused me alot of pain, mostly emotional.  the relationship for me was very traumatic. the man was 14 years older than me and it was just a mess. The drugs were there and my pain was not gone but covered up by everything and anything.  My point is:  We can raise our children, instill good morals and values in them, guide them and support them but when they are all grown up they are responsible for the choices they make.  I believe I was doomed as far as being an addict from the beginning.  I have always had the typical personality I think I have mentioned in other posts.  Insecure, low self esteem etc. and for no good reason other than that was just   me.    Well anyway, I'm sorry to once again stick my nose in a post but my mom used to always ask me "what did she do to make me become an addict"  finally I think she understood it was not her fault at least she died with that peace.   Have a good weekend   Love to all cindi
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I'll cook all day for everyone if I can join you.... wouldn't want to miss this for the world !!
Love, Brighty
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Hey guys, don't leave me out,  I'll help Brighty do the cooking and I'll leave the kids at home,   This would be an historical event......love to all cindi
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I'll cook something too.  Yall wouldn't believe what I can cook, but if I told you, then everyone would know who I am and where I'm from.  Darn!  
It's very yummy.....lol
Love you guys!
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