Sorry to hear about your son, but the good news is he has a Mother who cares enough to notice and seek information about the drug he is taking.
Percocet is a combination of acetominophen (sp?) or tylenol, and Oxycodone. It is a pretty strong narcotic pain reliever - not nearly as strong as Morphine, Demerol, Fentanyl, Dilaudid, etc. - but a big jump from Darvon/Darvocet, or Codiene; and a little stronger than Hydrocodone (as in Vicodin). It is typically prescribed for pretty high levels of pain - such as the relief of pain after breaking a bone or bones, or after surgery or maybe child birth - and not usually more than one time/prescription, and usually 12-30 pills in the scrip, because it is highly addictive and pretty strong for someone with no tolerance for narcotics.
It is considered more dangerous by the law too - as an example, it is classified Schedule II, the highest group of 'legal' drugs, based on potential for addiction and abuse, with Morphine, Demerol, Diluadid, etc. Only Heroin, Cocaine, and Crack (Schedule I) carry more severe penalties for possession. (Penalties for possession of Schedule III and IV drugs such as Valium, Vicodin, Codiene, Darvocet, etc., are not nearly as severe.)
It's effect on people can vary - for most people it gives a warm, happy feeling all over, energy, and a pretty decent feeling in general. It comes on strong, usually in 30-45 minutes, and the good feeling to new users can last anywhere from 2 to 6 hours or even 8.
Alcohol i combo can intensify the feeling, but often makes a person sick too. I dont have much experience here - maybe someone else does??
The narcotic in Percocet comes in many forms. Pecocets themselves come in different strengths (2.5 mg Oxycodone, 5mg, etc.). There's also Percodan - which is the same thing except it has aspirin instead of tylenol combined with the Oxycodone. There's generics for both. All are usually a little bigger than a straight tylenol, and can be white, blue, yellow - maybe other colors too that I haven't seen, Name Brand says Percocet and the strength, but generics do not. Cost of typically $5-10 each pill on "the street".
If he likes the Percocet, watch for Oxycontin - which is Oxycodone in a time release version (chewed up,it hits right away). Oxycontin comes in strengths of up to 160mg of Oxycodone in a single pill (80mg or 160mg can kill someone without a high tolerance!). They are tiny round pills, and say "OC" on one side, and the strength onnthe other. 10mgs are white, 20mg pink, 40mg yellow, 80mg blue.green, and 160mg is blue and oblong. Cost is really high on these. Hope he never tries them, because they are tought to get away from once started.
The downside is, the feeling is pretty good - but over time, it takes more and more of the drug to get the same feeling again. Some say the good feeling you get the first time is never able to be duplicated - but I disagree....it just takes a lot more to get there... It's definately an addictive drug, relatively expensive, and regular users become dependent on it pretty quickly. Stopping taking it after regular use for even 3-4 weeks can lead to withdrawal, which can be like having the worst flu ever, for days or even weeks. People dependent on Oxycodone may go to extremes to avoid this, and do things they never would consider otherwise to get the drug.
Technically, the drug is out of your system in 72 hours - that's about how long a drug test will show it. You might be suspicious if he is unusually happy and talkative. When the drug wears off, he may sweat - even in Winter when it's cold. These are some signs to look for, but not always present and not always the result of Percocet. Like Dan said, pupils do get diolated - that's the only real givaway.
Deendence on this drug is a scarey thing. Even though out of the system in 72 hours, for a regular user the mental addiction can still make you sick for a long time more.
Even if your son doesnt become addicted, and only uses it a few times, it's STILL nothing to mess around with. Look up the State Code for where you live on the Internet and read him the laws and penalties. It;s scary, and Percocet is a drug the law focuses on. Where your son may get away with a few Vicodin or Codeine, Percocet will get the attention of the law if he gets caught!
As an example, in my state if you possess (without a legit prescription) more than 25 times the daily dose (or 100 pills total), there is a MANDATORY MINIMUM 2 year prison term with no parole. 5 times to 24 times (25-99 pills) carries "assumed prison time". As little as a few pills can still be a felony.
I hope I included enough about this to help you deal with your son and head off this before it becomes a problem. Trust me, he doesnt want the problems that come along with the drug!!
Please write back and let us know how he is doing. I'll say a prayer for you and him.
Narcotics such as Percocet make the user itch a lot. Watch him to see if he scratches his face a lot, specifically his nose. Gives 'em away everytime.
The trouble with the Narcotics is this: I was watching Loveline (a show on MTV that deals with sex issues) and on there they have an Addiction Medicine Specialist called Dr. Drew. A caller told Dr. Drew that he had discovered a new aphrodisiac that made him last for 2-3 hours in bed. As soon as he told Drew that it was a Percocet combined with a couple of beers, Drew got onto him and explained it better than I've ever heard it explained. He said that it starts out with "Oh, I take a Percocet and I feel great and can last longer in bed" or "I can take a Percocet, feel great, and clean the whole house" and eventually the user gets to where he depends on the Percocet to do just about everything and wants to feel great all the time. The same can be said with most narcotics. As anyone on here will tell you it is a vicious cycle and it is NOT to be taken lightly. If he has "discovered" Percocet it is just a matter of time before Oxycontin comes into the picture. Tom put it very well in his post. Just please please please, Julie, try to find a way to nip this in the bud before it goes any farther. Be careful and keep hope alive. 3-D
Okay you tell me you are going to check on the babe and the soup. And then you leave me with "lots to tell you" and that your "backsliding"! and here I am worried about you waiting for you to let me know what is going on! Write back soon I would like to help!
Yes, call the pharmacy and ask about a home drug test, they are available.
One way to tell if he's high on percoset, look at his pupils(eyes). They will be pinpointed. He may also be very manic, mouthy, and slurring depending on how much is in his system. He may have spells of vomiting if drinking alcohol with them- I sure do. Nodding out in the middle of a conversation is a really bad sign as well. You better get this boy under control quick before the law gets a hold of him.
I personally have not done Percoset, but did the Vicoden ES in large amounts for approx 8 mos - year. I also drank on them. At first there is relief of pain and a feeling of general well-being. You talk alot, and even clean house or decorate the house for Christmas, etc...soon it takes more than only one pill to get that feeling and down you go. The withdrawals are Hell. You will know if he suffers withdrawals, ie. FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS, but much worse, shaking, fever, vomiting, gagging, depression, loss of appetite. Try to nip it in the bud now. This drug is a demon and will take you down day by day while others sit and watch helplessly. I have to go in for a liver test to see if my addiction did any damage to my liver. Confront him, if he wants to know where he's going....tell him to ask us. God Bless, Neena
Thank you so much all of you for the information and your kind words, many of which brought tears to my eyes!! My son is an Nat'l Honor Society, soon to be Eagle Scout student, who is applying to some top notch colleges. He has always been a Type A personality...very high risk. I have lost count of the times we have gone to the emergency room/doctor for some injury incurred while he was pushing the limit. He thrives on it. I am sure he doesn't understand the possible, very serious consequences this "experiment" could have and like all teens, he thinks the rules do not apply to him. Addiction, getting caught, etc. happen to others...not him. At least now, with the info you all have supplied, we will be able to assess if he is "under the influence" for I know he will assure us that this will not happen again. Thanks again.
As some of you may know, I went through detox at home about a month ago. Detox off of Vicoden ES and lots of it. Recently I have had female/ob/gyn surgery and was prescribed 10 Vics ES. I am terrified. Will I become addicted again on these 10? I have no refills. Can I take two a day and be ok and not go through HEll again? I am scared, please someone, give me words of wisdom and courage...should I flush them????? I was so proud of myself...Where has my confidence gone? Neena
I can really relate to your predicament but am at a loss as to what to tell you. Personally, I wouldn't flush them just yet because if you do end up in a lot of pain you'll need them as prescribed(that's the key). If I could, I would hand them over to a non-addict friend that you can trust your life with. In my case that would be my wife. Just the fact that you would have to talk to that person to get your meds may keep you from abusing them. I don't know if this makes any sense to you but I know that I can't trust myself with pain meds. It's one of my few character defects, ha! ha!
Neena, I'm going to tell you what you probably already know in your heart. FLUSH THEM AND WAVE GOODBYE PROUDLY!! You've come so far, and have been through too much to fall now. Take Advil for the pain, or tell your surgeon your history and ask for a non-narcotic pain killer. Ten pills will go quick once you get that "taste" again. If you're thinking of taking them again, think of the suffering you recently went through to get off. REMEMBER how horrible it was. The pain from the surgery will subside, the other road will be much more difficult to travel. I've been clean for a little over two months now, and the pain for which I started taking the Vicodin is back. I could easily get them again, legitimately, but I take the Advil, and function clear headed and very conscious of the hell it was to withdraw and detox....every day I remind myself. That suffering alone is enough to remind you, besides remembering how they rule your life when your addicted. Be strong, resist it, you CAN do it. Post a million times what you're going through if that helps, we all "listen" and are with you.
Good luck and best wishes.
I sure wish yall could all come over to my house. I have done well with the pills. I have noticed that after I take them, I become depressed. I want to cry, as I read my posts during and after my detox...I wanted to die and my husband just lost his brother to cancer on Thanksgiving day. Our house is very sad right now, it's all I can do to get up. I am only taking 2 a day for now, so I should be out soon.
I sure wish you all could come over to my house. It's odd, when I take the pill, I become depressed. I have only gotten a high off of one dosage and the guilt and depression runs high. Our house is sad right now, as my husband just lost his brother to cancer on Thanksgiving day. If I take two a day, they should be gone soon or I can flush them and be done with it. My heart hurts for my hubby right now. I cannot even worry about myself, I am just trying to keep him happy. Watching my brother in law die before my eyes, was a real eye opener. How could I waste my life worried about ten stupid pills? I will keep yall updated on what I do. I just took one and a half. When I look in my daughters' eyes, I become depressed. How can I NOT flush them when I read my previous posts during and after my detox. I was so proud of myself. PRAY FOR MY STRENGTH AS EACH MINUTE GOES BY, PLEASE. And, thanks so much for caring for a stranger. I'll let you know when I flush em'. Neena ps. Does anyone want to trade email address's? For more personal communication? It might help me at this very moment. Neena
To Neena, I would be glad to be an email pen pal and hopefully
give you some support and encouragement!!! You have been
through a lot, don't be too hard on yourself! Holidays are a
really hard time to lose someone. my email is ***@**** if you would like to write! God bless you and hang in there! cheri
Hang in there girl, we are all pulling for you! I think you are going to be just fine. When you get off the track and confused, just do another post here and someone will give you what you need to hear. We addicts can get on some wild rollercoaster rides from day to day, especially at this time of year. All week long I have been trying to keep my wife from going nuts with all the Christmas worries. Decisions-decisions!
Thanks for the support. I've stopped taking the sleeping pills the doc prescribed for me, so I haven't been sleeping well. This morning after I fed the babe, I took a Vic ES and finally got some peace...not sleep, just peace. I only have about 5 left, and I am not panicking. My hookup told me that, that would be it for a while and I told her, that, that was it for me and she said ok for now. So, I am not panicking as much, knowing there is no way for me to get my hands on any of the little demons. It's best this way. Since I am not craving or freaking out about them, maybe I have SOME control...but why can't I flush them? I have some Xanax if I do incur some withdrawals, but I don't forsee any with this small amount. God Bless you two for picking me up off the floor and allowing me to forgive myself. I know that HE is testing me. Thanks for the Cheer. Neena
It sounds to me like you've done a good job of weaning yourself off of these meds! If you are down to one at a time, that's really good. Some people will tell you otherwise, but I think you have a handle on things so far. If you have trouble sleeping, try some OTC benadryl(sp). I've also used Dramamine. They are over the counter antihystamines that happen to promote sleep. If you are in pain, try Aleve or just plain aspirin if your stomache can handle it. I'm not a doctor but these are things that I fall back on at times. Try to drink a lot of water!
You said hook up? I thought you got them from your doctor for some surgical procedure. If i am wrong forgive me> If you are scoring these pills on the street get rid of your connection. If you are serious about quitting these pills get rid of the source. Also,never think a hook up is a friend they are your worst nightmare and enemy. If they were your friend they would not have furnished pills to you after you detoxed. Get your story right Neena. Thats one of the first thing you check is an addicts story and excuses for relapse. Best of Luck Neena. It sounds like you are on your way to relapse. I hope that you are not. After a detox your mind will play tricks and will try every excuse to get you to relapse again. Opiate addiction is a disease that is best treated with a little reality. Flush the pills get rid of the hook up. I am not being unkind just realistic.
You are correct about the hookup and the friendship thing. She offered more when she found out about my surgery. But it would not be for two weeks or so. I have no interest. But, she is very poor and I am at fault here, not her. Not always money was involved...sometimes canned goods, clothing for children, etc. I know that does not make it any more logical, nor is it an excuse. If I want to blame someone other than myself, I would have to blame my first gyn/ob who performed cervical surgery 15 years ago, but never found the endometriosis or the pelvic adhesions, yet continued to give codiene monthly. I cannot blame him. Only myself. You are not being unkind as I appreciate your opinion and concern. Degenerative Disk Disease does not help. Neena
I have to agree with Dan, Neena. It sounds to me from reading your posts that you are dangerously close to relapsing! The addictive mind plays amazing tricks on the person who lives in that body!
I took some perc's for bad headaches after I detoxed in July and I am now up to two 80mg Oxycontins a day. I thought I could control my opiate usage. What a joke! Opiates control me and will always do. I'm not saying that some painkiller addicts with chronic pain cannot control their opiate intake. It is possible to do but it is the exception to the rule.
I know this is your first experience with opiates since your detox but you need to be aware of the fact that you are playing with fire. If you took them to prove to yourself that you could take them responsibly, then consider the test a success. Now finish off or flush the rest of them before it's too late!!
I have been going to AA/NA meetings for 4 & 1/2 months now and I read various addiction forums every single day. I have learned a lot of valuable information from others. I really feel that you are in a dangerous position. If you don't want to lose the fragile state of sobriety that you worked so hard for (I have followed your posting for quite a time), then get as far away as you can from opiates.
Good luck to you Neena.
Please forgive me, I didn't know what a "hookup" was. But I think I do now. I had thought that it was a significant other like boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. I had no idea it was another term for dope dealer! Take care and be well.
I only have 3 pills left and no options for more. I am taking one or two/day and am having no cravings, nor am I worrying about what happens when I run out. I firmly remember my detox and everything that happened. I remember the humiliation and the depression that I felt. I still have people asking about me...somehow the story leaked out in this small town. I feel much better, although, I am worried about my husband. I fear his depression over losing his brother to cancer on Thanksgiving is gaining on him, thus on our relatinship. His work has him buried alive and that leaves me and a 22 month old with nothing to do. I can't get her into school until Feb, so we just try to keep busy and out of trouble. I understand your concern for me. I too, am worried, but on a much larger scale. I have much "baggage" ie. bulemia,etc...In general self destruction, so once I decided that I wanted to live MY LIFE again, not my mothers' or anyone else's, that's when I came clean. There is lot's more going on here than just a few pills. I am not worried about them, as I REFUSE TO WALK THROUGH HELL AGAIN. I am a much stronger person than I was a month ago, thanks to you guys and my family. Sorry to lay all of this on you, but I don't want you to think of me just sitting around here waiting for my next pill...I am just trying to keep from going crazy. Neena
I still think you are on the right track. Staying busy will keep you out of trouble and really boosts self esteem. To me, the opposite of depression is activity. I'm trying to keep my wife's head above water right now and it can get me down in the dumps at times-- if I let it. When I get really bad off mentally, I go to the cemetary and visit with my daughter and clean up around her grave or plant flowers. This may sound strange but it snaps me out of whatever anguish I'm experiencing and I feel like going on with life. No pill that I know of has this effect on me. Thanks for listening!
I am sorry to hear about your daughter. My best friend was murdered in 1995 and still no person brought to justice. I visit her grave when feeling sorry for myself also. Really brings things into perspective. She would come down from Heaven and beat me senseless, if I continued my pill abuse. :) Thanks for sharing. Neena
neena, I don't know you as well as others on this board, but here is my humble opinion: 1) you are not panicking because you are not going through withdrawals, YET. 2) I believe once the body is addicted to narcotics, it remembers. My husband was addicted to heroin in vietnam, and will take a vicodin every once in a while (maybe once a month.) He gets withdrawals for three days, just from that one pill. 3) You can't flush them because, I am so sorry to say this baby, but you haven't hit bottom yet. You are in relapse and denial. Our lives are not easy and this does not mean you have failed. Throw the pills away, call your doctor and tell him you need a non-narcotic pain reliever. Go and get a shot of torodol if it is very bad. They will help. Narcotics do not always really work on the pain itself. They just take our MINDS off the pain. If this shows posted twice, I accidently hit the button. Again Neena, Please think about why you are not throwing away these pills. Also the fact that you stated you couldn't get any from your "hook up" in two weeks means you can get some from your "hook-up" in two weeks. You shouldn't be even entertaining those ideas. You are my hero. You have actually gone through detoxing yourself and are on the way to being clean. Please don't **** up my hope for myself. Thanks.
I tried to post yesterday, but my laptop locked up on me. I appreciate your comments. I have no pills now. I am ok though. Are you looking to me for inspiration? Gosh, well my detox was rather harsh and humiliating to say the least, but as you know, it's all up to each individual. I still remember those 5 days of Hell. Absolute Hell. There is no other way to describe it. My therapist says there are people out there who are taking 50-60 of these things a day. Unimanageable to me, but true. I guess at my worst...I was taking 2 or 3 at a time randomly. Sometimes more, sometimes less, until I guess I almost OD'd and threw up all over my bathroom. For the next two weeks, I crawled and shook and gagged my way through life. Lost 15lbs. in 3 days. All the while, taking care of a 20 month old baby. I have no excuses for my actions and I am the only one who has to answer to those actions. I have gotten alot of looks from people, but mostly pats on the back and comments on how strong I was to do this alone and at home. I think people actually admire me now. Hope your husband is doing ok. Neena