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where do we go for support.?

as addicts we do not do well alone, we seem to need to surrender
to the fact that we need people in our lives who are a support
to us,some of us do group  sessions, some go to aa because it is
there and there is a lot of addicts there and they have the 12 steps. some of us see a shrink, but any really ethical shrink would steer an addict twards a recovery orenented group.
This fourm is a start, and is a taste of what it is like
inter acting with other addicts.
i go to narcotics anonymous, i try to be who i am. im an addict.
there is a famous saying , " I STARTED GOING TO MEETINGS TO
SAVE MY ASS AND FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS ATTACHED TO MY SOUL..".

speaking about recovery,when i got clean, i prayed for my three favorte people me myself and i, and not much happenedtho i stayed clean, life was a drag, then one day i started praying for other people and my life and recovery took off like a rocket.
it was the most amazing thing.
so where do you go, and what do you do for support.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Where for support indeed - I find organized programs to be trite, and adhering too firmly to the 12 step program.  I guess I'm a nonconformist - I don't want to follow anybody's own 12 steps, I want to make them my own or they won't work.  The same opinion keeps my husband out of Narcotics Anonymous.  We've tried to solve problems on our own, but it's like they say about the guy who acts as his own lawyer having a fool for a client...  

BUT - forums like this are amazing - thank you Hippee for your original remarks; they're like a shot of vitamin B12.

Love hearing everyone's own twist on what works for them. THIS is where to find support; this isn't an hour of chit chat that goes missing as soon as we leave the building.  These words are real, spoken by real folks in their own terms and not recited verbatim (unless I choose to plagiarize something one of you said and use it as my mantra - might just do that. )

Thanks to everyone. I hope you have some idea of how deeply your remarks affect even one person who stumbles across this site.
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Jesse,

Takka, Canosa naggi. Machizo, shan'e cahonis? Tachusa'nah?
Ee cana na mah'nacha. Tah cunah manalea.

Chatahan......wildcat
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Hey there - great quote - "I don't want to "want" anymore".
This is exactly where I am right now.  Couldn't say it any better.  Take care, Lisabet
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GOD
My Spanish is really rusty too.... Actually I don't speak it; The computer translator wrote that post to you... Yes, I was hoping that no cars fell out of your house.. The weirdest things look so "Romantic" in Spanish. Just go to www.Freetranslation.com, and you can translate any English text to any number of foreign languages....

But, It would be better if we didn't talk about things other than addiction on this forum. Some people are getting mad, and I don't blame them.

~~~~Jess~~~
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You goofball!  My Spanish is rusty, so let's see how well I did: Don't post on the forum in Spanish because most people on here don't speak it.
    This is the shakey part: Do I think smiles are pretty???
Do I have big, white teeth????

You hope I had a good day and-----you hope no cars fall on my house?????   See--I told you I was rusty!! I got most of your post above to Suze--but what about the chicken w/ cajones muy GRANDE????!!!  There's got to be something missing here.  Am I too literal????  Esta es muy divertida.
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GOD
La sra. Peaz, por favor parada haciendo preguntas en el espa
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?Que paso a la farmacia?  Let us know if you got your script, meds, or what?       Peace---Peaz
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Narcanon is a worldwide group specifically for family and spouses of addicts.

Thomas
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Hello - It is mostly addicts who write here.  If your son was to post something, I'm sure he would get more reponses.  Someone suggested a support group for family of addicts.  You'd probably get more what you are looking for there.  Your son has to make the first step toward recovery...I know you feel helpless, and the truth is that you cannot do anything to get him moving.
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User's mom,  

I am sorry for you but all I can suggest for now is (al-anon) a group that supports people with friends or relatives of addiction habits. It may help you decide what to do. God Bless.

Chatahan......wildcat
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hello again  heard from no one about my sons addiction of pills and herion.  he uses every day.his attitude very bad. he cant hold a job forlonger than 3 weeks.steals anything he can and pawns it for cash.he started taking his 6 year old sisters toys to pawn for cash. as his mom iam watching my family being torn  apart by him what should i be doing /tryed just about everything.any suggestions will be appreciated. thanks.
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I have a 33 yr old daughter on crack.As Im writing this she is in the hospital 6 mths pregnant in and out of labor..They have stopped her labor cause the baby is at maybe 2 lbs and wont survive..This is her 3rd child and 2nd one with crack involved..He was born clean but preemie and still went thru withdrawals..Both boys are with me and the new one will also be placed with me..Im having a hard time dealing with this cause there isnt chit I can do to help her..She dont want help..Our state (MI)doesnt do anything about this so she is gonna keep having these babies..I would like to know if anyone has had to deal with this and also if anyone has any siggestions please let me know...
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Hey you--They just made a note on the bag for whomever waited on you, so they'd know the deal on the other med, knowing that you would ask about it.  That's very common and nothing to get paranoid about.  It just saves time, not having to bring up your name and info on the computer when you come in, and try to figure out, then, why it was never filled.  
  The script is not "lost"--if it was, they'd have to call the doc themselves and admit that it was THEIR fault and he would give them another RX over the phone.  What they normally do is "put it on file" in the computer, so it's all ready to fill on the appropriate date, and they don't have to keep a piece of paper hanging around.  The script is filed in an actual file.
   I wish you well in getting clean.  I'm almost to my First Year Mark and I can hardly believe it!!!  My energy is nearly normal, my moods are good, and I just feel good about straightening my life out and no longer living a lie.  Give it a shot!!!!!  You can do it, too.  Withdrawl is a *****, but so is keeping enough narcotics around.  I was just thinking to myself the other day: As hard as withdrawl and early sobriety is, it's still easier than addiction. I really believe that. If I can help in any way, let me know.        Hugs---Peaz
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How are you doing?  I just read your comment.  I probably will go into town tomorrow and get the script back.  I didn't have any pills left, it was just the insurance denying the claim.  Your idea was very right.  I would like to get the script back just because I hate to think of those asses getting my $.  Here is another issue, that I've thought of.  What if I go back there and they have lost the script?  On the script I did pick up, it was written on the bag that a script was picked up at another pharmacy for 30 vicodin on 10/28.  This is what freaked me out.  It made me feel like I was being tracked.  Paranoia at its finest.  

I am weaning myself off the ****.  I have only been doing about 5 or 6 darvon for well, about a few years.  I mentioned in my first comment that I don't even feel high anymore, not sure if I ever did.  Just felt normal.  I was not going to take any this weekend, so I'd have enough to get me through the work week, but I decided that I could take just a little and feel better.  I have only taken 3 maybe 4 a day.  I don't drink and don't smoke.  My husband smokes pot, but discreetly.  Everything people do is discreet huh?  if pot was legal, I'm not sure if he'd let his guard down and let people know he smokes as much as he does.  I feel ready to get clean.  I don't want to "want" anymore.  I have been burned out on looking for drugs.  When I lived in a bigger city it was a lot easier, lots more doctors to see, but now I only see one Dr.  Like I said the pharmacy freaked me out because it was written on the bag that I'd just gotten to script for 30 vics 10 days prior, and yes I'd taken them all.  

I don't do that much vicodin, as I don't have access to it, believe me if I had access to it I'd do more, but I don't.  The darvon come from another source.  Nothing illegal, just expensive.  The drugs are not worth it anymore.  I started doing them to help me get through a messy divorce, and well you know the story.

Thanks for writing.  Let me know what you think of them writing that on the bag.  I never saw my script again once I gave it to them.

Peace Peaz
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Hey guys,

I called a couple of places today in the phone book, they gave me a name of a Doc. who might be able to help me in my area.  The only thing they said is I probably won't be able to do this as an out patient thing, that I would have to go in for total detox.  What do you guys think, should I go and see this Doc. and just tell him that is not an option for me? A couple of places I called, were so uncaring, which led me to tears.  What are your thoughts?  

Thanks so much,
curious
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Hi kiddo-- Here's what you can do and it will look perfectly normal.  Tomorrow go back to the pharmacy and tell them you need the script back because you will be out of town on the 12th, when it is refillable, and you will need the meds at that time.  Don't tell them any details---it's none of their business.  They don't need to know where, for how long, and so on.   Just be calm and polite and you'll be fine.  Although if you want to tell them off, I guess that's up to you.  If they're really assholes, you won't be going back there, anyway, will you?  I t sounds to me llike they were very busy the day you went in, and perhaps the tech didn't want to mess w/ re-entering your script into the computer w/ no insurance, etc. so she let you think it wasn't possible.  Did you say you had about ten days left on the old script?  Which is why they weren't going to give it to you early?  Anyway, it was easier for her if you just "went away!" Just a suggestion.  You're well w/in your rights--don't feel like a criminal or something. What's your story? Are you weaning or planning to or what?  I must have missed your original post, so if you want to, just point me to the right thread and place. Thanks-Peaz      P.S. Don't feel guilty!
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Hello everyone:

just to clear things up, yes, the prescription was 100% real, I truly would never do anything as wrong as prescription fraud.  I did ask for the RX back and she (pharm tech) said no.  Do any of you think I should go back there and get it tomorrow?  I truly hate the fact of giving those asses one dime.  They were swamped when I was there, I heard one of the pharmacists grumble about it, so they weren't on their friendlies behavior.

Maybe I should take the advice I was given and just march in there and get my RX back, or even if I do wait until the 12th and pick it up and let them know how they made me feel.  I just truly would have rather gotten my rx back and gone somewhere else.  If its not fillable (per insurance) until the 12th, then fine, I'll wait till then, but I wish I'd of least gotten the script back.  It was like they were holding it hostage.  It's really what made me feel so bad, so odd.  If they'd of just handed it back to me, which they truly should have done, I'd of just left and not felt as bad as I did.  

I think I'll go get my damn rx back tomorrow (I'd go tonight, but it's 20+ miles away and they are not worth the effort).  Please let me know your thoughts.

I don't know you all, but you have truly made my situation better.  Thank you so much for not judging and letting me ramble on.  Much appreciated.

peace and till tomorrow
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Thank you so much for the advice, I'm telling you all of you, this forum has been a life saver for me!!  I'm just so afraid of going to Urgent Care, or my regular Doc, for fear they would want to slap me in a detox center, if my family finds out about this, especially my husband, I don't know what they would do.  I'm just so very ashamed.  Again thank you from my heart!!

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Sorry I didn't write sooner,  but everyone had some great posts.  I never have come across that problem before, but if the first prescription you took was taken as prescribed and you ran out when you were supposed to run out then I see no problem in having that second one filled since your regular doctor is in Eurpope.  Tuesday, you march right in there and get that prescription!  DOn't let them intimidate you.  

My first job was as a pharmacy tech..(yes at age 16) when you mentioned about the man buying the syringes, it reminded me of one of our pharmacists..I called him Mr Bill.  If he didn't like the looks of someone he would tell me to tell them that we were out of syringes.  If the customers hair was a little long, or if it was a person of color or what have you.  Then we had the other pharmacist that would pop pills all day.  Granted they weren't as strict with the keeping of logs of controlled substances as they are now and nothing was computerized..everything was done by hand. You'll find pharmacists out there that are hypocrites.  They think they are the narcotics police but are back there popping pills whenever they feel like it.
My husband opened his own large animal practice just a few years back.  If I wanted to, I could order all the schedulled drugs I wanted with his DEA number, but you can bet your butt we will be inspected one day, one year and I wouldn't dare jeapordize the practice. Things are ALOT more controlled now than they were years ago.  So I guess they think they are saving their butts?  Who knows.  I just think if a damn doctor wrote it for you, you should be able to fill it.  I think this is the second time I have heard of something like this happening to a member of this forum. Just makes me so mad that people are needlessly humiliated.  
Let us know what happens.
Hugs to you
Suze

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Er---That last line would read: ....that you THINK was a muscle RELAXANT.  :-)
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As a pharmacy tech, it has been my experience to 1) let the customer pay cash if it's not ridiculously early.  The Rph usually has to okay this, but I've seen it done a million times  and 2) You had every right to get that script back.. Again, whenever a customer wanted  to try to find the drug cheaper elsewhere, changed his mind about even having it filled in the first place, and wanted to keep the RX for later, or WHATEVER.  It's yours and I think this pharmacy is in error.  The only time (that I'm aware of) that a pharnacy can keep a script is when they think it's fradulent, in which case the "fraudee" would be long gone...... : -)  Just my two cents.  
  Also--they are probably much too busy too dwell on who's getting how many refills of a certain drug, unless it's REALLY glaring---it's just not a priority, w/ everything else there is going on and to think about.  A little bit of paranoia on your part-- which is understandable after all of our drug seeking days, yeah?  We filled LOTS of scripts that were obviously for addicts, or abusers, but as long as it's a legit script, it's not up to the pharmacy.  I was never aware of any addict/seeker "list", either.  hope this makes you feel better.  Good luck .         Peaz            P.S.  What was the drug that you did get--the one you thing is a muscle rexalant?
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If you really are not doing anything wrong, like trying to pass off a fake prescription or something, then you have absolutely nothing to fear.  What exactly are you afraid of?
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I just re-read both of your comments.  Thanks to both of you.  I actually was angered when I spoke with the tech, but only because I had to wait so long for the Rx, which they had already put on hold.  Should they have just let me pay cash for the RX?  I did ask, and I believe I was told I couldn't, this is when I felt embarrassed.  Kind of a side note, while I was waiting, this hispanic, well dressed, clean cut guy came in and went up to the counter.  It ended up he was getting syringes.  When he walked away from the counter he told the pharmacy tech (whoever was helping him) that he was sick of the looks he was getting.  He was angry and said "people of color get sick too"  The pharmacy guy said, I wasn't giving you any looks sir, but the hispanic guy walked away.  It was a shitty moment.  I felt bad for the hispanic guy.  It sucked.  Just thought I'd mention this, maybe the pharmacy is just run by a bunch of assholes who do look down on people.  I certainly wasn't the only one in the whole 35 minutes I was there, that left upset.

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Thanks to all you of you for your comments.  They are truly appreciated.  I guess I failed to mention the pharmacy tech that told me this was very nice, and said just come back in a few days and you can get it, I said to her can I just have the RX back and I'll just get it later, as the town I was in is 20 miles from where I live.  She said no.  I didn't get into it anymore, I just paid for the other Rx and left.  I don't think my body language gave away anything because I was just sitting there reading a magazine, because IN ALL HONESTY, I truly was just getting a RX filled, I didn't feel like I was getting a "fix", I just wanted to get home and take a bath.  I was more pissed at the fact that the pharmacy had me wait 35 minutes, then when I went up there they told me about the insurance not paying.  I beieve I asked if I could just pay cash for it, I'm not sure, I think I did, but it wasn't an option.  I have never had this problem before.  I never have tried to get an RX filled before that was denied (by insurance).  It was just plain embarrasing.  I felt like I did something wrong.  Guilt huh?  Now I know there is a RX for Vicodin waiting to be picked up on Tuesday.  I get freaked, thinking what if I go there and they ask me questions, but why would this happen?  Honestly, I only see one Dr and never go to different clinics to get RX's, so if they ask, I can only tell them the truth (if I have to tell them anything at all), my Dr. is in Europe.  Is this the reality, I'll go there on Tuesday, pick up my Rx and drive away and no one will care (except me)?  

I really appreciated everyones comments.  I can believe that pharmacies are used to dealing with people taking a lot more than I do, but I don't want to justify anything.  I want to own up to my own guilt, and I'm trying.

Please let me know what you think about my fear of picking up the prescription on Tuesday, like the pharmacy said I could.  Why do I feel like I did something so wrong?

peace
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