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alcohol in breast milk a problem to baby's liver?
my daughter drinks heavily (at least a 6 pack nightly) and nurses
her baby, now he is a toddler of 2 yrs old and is still nursing. he has been exposed to this regiment for 2 years now. His last check up with peditrician showed elevated AST 100, ALP 266 and SGPT 148. and my daughter didnt tell the doctor she drinks and nurses, so the doctor is unaware. the doctor retested a week later and the liver function was normal range. so since their was no other reasoning behind his high liver function, my daughter told doctor he had an illness for a week of vommiing frm a virus he picked up, (and actully he had been vommiting for a week only 5 days before he saw the doctor maybe form a virus of some kind?) so his liver function leves was attritbuted to a virus he might have picked up somewhere and then went away. my question is specfic to liver problems in baby since birth to toddler years and being exposed to alcohol in the breast milk. can that be a cause for elevated liver functions tests? also if so, then isnt that the same as exposing the toddler's liver over and over to alcoholic breast milk, and in turn doing damage like an alcohlic does? couldnt he develop chronic hepatatis or cirrhois of the liver thru nursing high levels of alcohol? also my grandson doesnt have to go back for any other tests, isnt it unusal that he had the elevated tests, then they are normal a week later, and now to drop it entirely without any other tests witout retesting again maybe in a few weeks? wouldnt that be the wise and cautious thing to do?
her baby, now he is a toddler of 2 yrs old and is still nursing. he has been exposed to this regiment for 2 years now. His last check up with peditrician showed elevated AST 100, ALP 266 and SGPT 148. and my daughter didnt tell the doctor she drinks and nurses, so the doctor is unaware. the doctor retested a week later and the liver function was normal range. so since their was no other reasoning behind his high liver function, my daughter told doctor he had an illness for a week of vommiing frm a virus he picked up, (and actully he had been vommiting for a week only 5 days before he saw the doctor maybe form a virus of some kind?) so his liver function leves was attritbuted to a virus he might have picked up somewhere and then went away. my question is specfic to liver problems in baby since birth to toddler years and being exposed to alcohol in the breast milk. can that be a cause for elevated liver functions tests? also if so, then isnt that the same as exposing the toddler's liver over and over to alcoholic breast milk, and in turn doing damage like an alcohlic does? couldnt he develop chronic hepatatis or cirrhois of the liver thru nursing high levels of alcohol? also my grandson doesnt have to go back for any other tests, isnt it unusal that he had the elevated tests, then they are normal a week later, and now to drop it entirely without any other tests witout retesting again maybe in a few weeks? wouldnt that be the wise and cautious thing to do?
I wonder if the recent posters even get that this thread is really old! Like 7 years! LOL
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would advise u to just get the mom to stop breastfeedin as the child is old enough.
yeah 10 now.....
yeah 10 now.....
I would advise u to just get the mom to stop breastfeedin as the child is old enough. Ya i feel for the baby mayb ask a doctor who u trust coz if that baby gets taken from her its goin to b a fight for u to hang on to her while ur daughter gets better and having a child go to a strange fam or ppl they dont know is terrifiying and traumatizing and even if they dont remember it will affect them for the rest of their lives. If u dont want to turn her in dont u only need to do what you think is the right way of helping ur daughter afterall u need to live with decision u make not all these ppl... Good luck i hope everything works out good for u if u want even consult a social worker to see how u can keep the child so she doesnt have to spend a second with strangers n ur daughter can still see her for motivation.
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Oh my god who are you to say these things?? First of all it is NOT up to you to decide how old is too old for breast feeding! 2 years old is a perfectly good age to still nurse. At least she is doing the best thing she can for her child where a lot of mothers are too lazy or too stupid to breastfeed. The baby is absolutely fine. Who are you to encourage anybody to take away somebody's child. I realize this is a very old post I hope you've learned how to spell since then.
Jack Newman, M.D., the world's foremost expert on breastfeeding, has written that research clearly shows that the level of alcohol in the breastmilk is only the level that is in the mother's blood. In other words, if the mother is drinking beer, the baby is NOT drinking beer!! The baby is drinking breastmilk!!! If the mother is downright trashed, and her blood alcohol level is .10 (that is zero point one, the same as one part in one thousand) that is the amount of alcohol in the breastmilk, which is FAR LESS THAN IN A NON-ALCOHOLIC BEER. Furthermore, the alcohol passes through the milk as it does through the blood, in other words, it does not remain there. In other words, people should stop being so afraid of breastfeeding. Forcibly weaning is cruel and unwise. If the child is sick, he needs his mother's milk more than ever. If your daughter is drinking perhaps she is self-medicating for depression, and you could help to give her the appropriate support and help her to be the mother she wants to be. Show that you are working with her and not against her. By the way, you did not mention any signs of neglect or abuse at all. Where is the toddler when she drinks? Is another adult present? In how many hours does she drink the beers? Did you know that children of mothers who breastfed are much much less likely to be abused? Bottlefed babies are 38 times more likely to suffer physical abuse. Your grandchild is blessed in many ways by being nursed.
Jack Newman, M.D., the world's foremost expert on breastfeeding, has written that studies show clearly that the level of alcohol in breastmilk is only the level that is in the mother's blood. In other words, if she is downright trashed, her blood alcohol would be .10 percent or so, and that is way less than is in a nonalcoholic beer!!! Please, everyone, don't be so afraid of breastmilk. Now, whether she should be drinking six beers a night while caring for a toddler is another story. But nursing is a good thing. Forcibly weaning the child would be cruel and useless. Getting the mom to get herself help would be a good idea. Perhaps she is self-treating for depression? Her mom should be looking to strengthen the bond between her daughter and her grandchild. Looking out for the grandchild's best interests should include helping her daughter to be the mom that she wants to be rather than condemning her. I didn't see anywhere that the mom has abused or neglected her child in any way, except that the mom has a problem. What happens to the mom when she drinks those six beers? Over how many hours does she drink them? By the way, I myself don't drink, so I'm not condoning drinking, but often when people drink heavily they are crying out for HELP not for condemnation! Yes, help her to take care of the child, but do some more research about human milk before trying to take that away from your grandchild! By the way, most pediatricians have their only breastfeeding info from formula companies so they are not breastfeeding supportive, even if they don't realize it.
Congratulations on finding the strength and courage to step up and put your grandson first!
I am not going to apologise for my earlier comments as I feel very strongly about an adults responsibilty and need to protect children from abuse of any type. I don't believe you can reason with or soft peddle the devasting effects of active alcholics or enablers on the children in their care; the denial is so strong.
You have made a major step in becoming the strong, protective grandmother this child needs; your grandson will thank you for saving his life. I wish you the strength to stay focused and dedicated to this little boy; don't ever forget you are all he has right now.
There are support groups to help families of alcholics, is it Alanon? Someone here can verify that for you, but these groups can offer you support, help and understanding from people who have lived what you are living right now. You need support and help too, take it where you can find it.
Stay strong, you have my best wishes for success.
I am not going to apologise for my earlier comments as I feel very strongly about an adults responsibilty and need to protect children from abuse of any type. I don't believe you can reason with or soft peddle the devasting effects of active alcholics or enablers on the children in their care; the denial is so strong.
You have made a major step in becoming the strong, protective grandmother this child needs; your grandson will thank you for saving his life. I wish you the strength to stay focused and dedicated to this little boy; don't ever forget you are all he has right now.
There are support groups to help families of alcholics, is it Alanon? Someone here can verify that for you, but these groups can offer you support, help and understanding from people who have lived what you are living right now. You need support and help too, take it where you can find it.
Stay strong, you have my best wishes for success.
Again I apoligize for any rude or malicious comments to you but if any of them made you think a little than nothing but good can come of it. I know that you love your daughter, but the life she gave to another human is just as precious if not more so. She is old enough to know what harm she is doing, but can't see it because of her disease, it takes a stong person to stand up for the rights of that baby I just hope and pray that you will be stong enough to do that. It will be a rough road and your daughter will probably hate you for a while because of it but you have to stand stong. I will be here as many others to give you encouragement or a kick in the butt whenever you need it. Please keep us informed on how everything is going.
You are right about how strangers can touch your lives. You and many others here have made such a difference in my life. I don't sweat the little things as much anymore, there are so many more inportant things like our faith, family, health.
Good luck to you all and May God be watching over you.
You are right about how strangers can touch your lives. You and many others here have made such a difference in my life. I don't sweat the little things as much anymore, there are so many more inportant things like our faith, family, health.
Good luck to you all and May God be watching over you.
i second honey's statement.
The pediatrician might be able to just listen to what you have to say, insist he does and document the conversation's date for your records. He might not be able to share the baby's info with you, but he sure can listen to you. next step is child protective services as i suggested in your first post.
btw, is there any info on the alcohol issue at LLleague's site? i know their helpline can be very useful.
gl and be strong on this.
The pediatrician might be able to just listen to what you have to say, insist he does and document the conversation's date for your records. He might not be able to share the baby's info with you, but he sure can listen to you. next step is child protective services as i suggested in your first post.
btw, is there any info on the alcohol issue at LLleague's site? i know their helpline can be very useful.
gl and be strong on this.
First let me apoligize for not only my language but also attitude. Anyone here knows that is not like me to vent that way.
It is obvious that you care enough to be asking for advise and I give you credit for that, but asking is not enough you must DO something.
Talk to your daughter and tell her what our suggestions were.
Tell her that you want her to take the baby in for more test and to be honest with the doctor or you will be (and go with her to make sure she does tell the doctor)He needs to know all the factors. Especially about this going on for two years
Tell her that she needs to quit breastfeeding if she is drinking
Have you talked to her already about this? What does she say?Is she that far gone that she doesn't realize the harm this is causing this child?
Most importantly than anything is for you to realize that there is a childs LIFE at stake and that you need to do something to help.
God bless you all. I hope that your GRANDbaby and daughter get the help that they need.
It is obvious that you care enough to be asking for advise and I give you credit for that, but asking is not enough you must DO something.
Talk to your daughter and tell her what our suggestions were.
Tell her that you want her to take the baby in for more test and to be honest with the doctor or you will be (and go with her to make sure she does tell the doctor)He needs to know all the factors. Especially about this going on for two years
Tell her that she needs to quit breastfeeding if she is drinking
Have you talked to her already about this? What does she say?Is she that far gone that she doesn't realize the harm this is causing this child?
Most importantly than anything is for you to realize that there is a childs LIFE at stake and that you need to do something to help.
God bless you all. I hope that your GRANDbaby and daughter get the help that they need.
Glad you saw the light and our prayers will be there for you to continue to be strong and for your family! I know you love your daughter but right now she is not of sound mind. Alcoholics cannot make decisions and it tears our heart out because we want to believe that they will quit and do the right thing but its a sickness. I know because I have a niece that battles it and she cannot make any decisions. God Bless!
THANK YOU TO ALL for your advise and comments. Your bold advise and comments did get my attention!!!!! and by the way i havent changed my name, i have always been gazoo. All of you have made me come the decision to act and i have to say i dont know if i would have unless you would have kicked me in the butt the way you have. And i did researched this issue on binge drinking and nursing and it's unequivabily true it can do harm to a baby or toddler nursing on an breast full of alcohol contents. I shared the facts, knowledge and research that i gathered over many hours with my daughter and she has rejected the reseach, almost like she thinks i made it up or something. she also told me to back off and mind my own business and she isnt and wouldnt harm her child. And it is definite that this issue has affected our relationship. I believe and KNOW that she wouldnt intentionally do harm to her son, but she is in such deep denial as most alcoholics are that she cant see truth anymore. As much as i KNOW she loves her son, her truth is alcohol, and she would reject anything that would suggest she needs to stop drinking. and i even gave her that and begged her to stop nursing then, but her son loves nursing so much (as you can imagine)she refuses to deny him nursing also and says she will nurse until he wants to stop. so......her attitude, and the situation of my grandson's health AND YOUR COMMENTS TO ME has left me no choice but to act.
Mothers days is ironically coming up tommorrow. So after mother's day, next week i am going to call my grandsons peditrician. and i am only going to start my campaign there. Im going to tell the peditrican all that i know. I realize now that i too, like my daughter have been in my own denials that her excessive binge drinking is in some way harming her child,as i couldnt imagine that the alcohol would go into her milk and be transferred to him. In this posting i want to THANK THE COMMENTORS, it funny how a stranger/strangers can effect another life isnt it, or maybe save a life in some way! But in another posting i want to share with others the reasearch i have done and taken hours to do because the information on binge drinking and nursing effects is not easily available like you would think it would be. And i kinda of resent that the facts on this issue isnt easily available to find, and I wonder why that is? i want to share the knowledge i have on nursing and drinking with others who might read this story and who also cant find too many facts on this issue of binge drinking and nursing. The knowledge i have gathered is to come in another posting. thank you to all and god bless you in your own life's health! I will keep you posted.
Mothers days is ironically coming up tommorrow. So after mother's day, next week i am going to call my grandsons peditrician. and i am only going to start my campaign there. Im going to tell the peditrican all that i know. I realize now that i too, like my daughter have been in my own denials that her excessive binge drinking is in some way harming her child,as i couldnt imagine that the alcohol would go into her milk and be transferred to him. In this posting i want to THANK THE COMMENTORS, it funny how a stranger/strangers can effect another life isnt it, or maybe save a life in some way! But in another posting i want to share with others the reasearch i have done and taken hours to do because the information on binge drinking and nursing effects is not easily available like you would think it would be. And i kinda of resent that the facts on this issue isnt easily available to find, and I wonder why that is? i want to share the knowledge i have on nursing and drinking with others who might read this story and who also cant find too many facts on this issue of binge drinking and nursing. The knowledge i have gathered is to come in another posting. thank you to all and god bless you in your own life's health! I will keep you posted.
You are very kind and sweet Revinire, but when it comes to defenseless children, I don't mind one bit sounding rude!*!
GAZOO: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? Again, if what you're reporting is true and who really knows, especially since you don't seem able to comprehend the enormity of the situation you're dealing with?
For a moment let's assume what you're saying here is true:
Since you know what is happening to your daughter's son (and your grandchild?) you are now aiding and abetting in child abuse and neglect.
You have now officially become an abuser, if anything bad happens to that child you will have to take some responsibilty for not reporting the situation to Child Protective Services.
Does the child have to vomit for 10 days before you act? Does your daughter have to leave him unattended for 10 days while she goes on a drinking binge before you act? Or are you going to sit back and watch your granchild slowly get sicker and sicker and waste away or maybe even wait until the child meets some horrible fate at his mother's neglect and abuse?
If you think you're detecting hostility and disgust in my tone regarding your abject failure to protect your daughter's son, you would be absolutely right*!*
Get off the fence and do the right thing! Just have the guts to call CPS!*!
GAZOO: WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? Again, if what you're reporting is true and who really knows, especially since you don't seem able to comprehend the enormity of the situation you're dealing with?
For a moment let's assume what you're saying here is true:
Since you know what is happening to your daughter's son (and your grandchild?) you are now aiding and abetting in child abuse and neglect.
You have now officially become an abuser, if anything bad happens to that child you will have to take some responsibilty for not reporting the situation to Child Protective Services.
Does the child have to vomit for 10 days before you act? Does your daughter have to leave him unattended for 10 days while she goes on a drinking binge before you act? Or are you going to sit back and watch your granchild slowly get sicker and sicker and waste away or maybe even wait until the child meets some horrible fate at his mother's neglect and abuse?
If you think you're detecting hostility and disgust in my tone regarding your abject failure to protect your daughter's son, you would be absolutely right*!*
Get off the fence and do the right thing! Just have the guts to call CPS!*!
why do you keep changing your name?
Why don't you tell the doctor the situation instead of asking a group of strangers, though well informed I might add? Otherwise, it will continue to be "One for my baby and one more for the road"! (Harold Arlen)
I myself am a brand new grandmother (1 month) and I CANNOT even imagine having to ask a question like you have. There is NO acceptable excuse for you not to be doing ALL that you can to help that baby. Sure you may love your daughter but what she is doing is just wrong. I love my child to no end but would not think twice about stepping in if he was abusing a child and that is exactly what your daughter is doing. A mother is suppose to take care of thier children, nurture them and teach them right from wrong so get off your ASS and help that baby.
Here is some eveidence that should help you get the Baby some help.As so many others have mentioned!!!
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/7/425
TonyZ
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/321/7/425
TonyZ
I included this url in your first question today, lalecheleague.org. They are the organization with the most information on breastfeeding. contact them, please. they know more than medical providers about breastfeeding. I don't think you will get better information elsewhere.
does anyone know if over drinking can leave enough alcohol in breast milk to affect a baby's liver and cause the baby to become the small alcoholic with liver hepatitis from drinking alcohol in the milk ? (since an infant baby for 2 years has nursed on breast milk of mother that drinks too much). when the toddler developed liver elevations my daugter told doctor he got had gotten over a virus 5 days prior, (which is true he just got over a stomach virus.....(i guess a virus is why he was vomming for a week on and off)..so the doctor did liver tests, they had come in high, then a week later after the first liver tests, the liver function was done again and came out normal,so it got attributed to "the virus" he had liver function. but i have a feeling he has or is getting exposed to alcoholic breast milk and this is the cause of the problem. even thought a doctor on this site said it is possible for high liver function emyzmes to rise via breast milk with alcohol, he really didnt elaborate enought for me to realy get that it is harming my grandson. does anyone has any definite knowlege to get me to act!
Because of confidentiality laws, the doctor will probably not discuss the baby's test results or anything else with the grandmother. However, the grandmother could call the doctor's office and at least advise what she knows of the situation and make sure the doctor is aware. If he is any kind of doctor, HE will call child protection himself once he learns the way this poor, poor baby is being treated.
great advice from amerbrit,
"Call the doctor's office first and insist on an appointment immediately and then call child protection services and if your daughter gives you any trouble call the police."
Don't think about it anymore just DO IT!*!
"Call the doctor's office first and insist on an appointment immediately and then call child protection services and if your daughter gives you any trouble call the police."
Don't think about it anymore just DO IT!*!
another thing, the dr is only going on what he has been told he has no idea what is really going on so he thinks this is possibly just a passing thing...even so he is stupid...high liver enzymes should always be persued by tests for hepatitis...a,b,c...
there are serious troubles with those high enzymes...not to scare you,(or perhaps?) but MY enzymes arn't that high and i have hep c and early cirhosis...mine are only in the 60's...so please intervene befor it's too late...do what ever it takes...seek immediate help from an intervention hotline...look in the phonebook,or online...calls are anonymous...you will be helping them both...your the only hope this baby has...and your daughter too...this will wake her up and help her focus on what's important...
there are serious troubles with those high enzymes...not to scare you,(or perhaps?) but MY enzymes arn't that high and i have hep c and early cirhosis...mine are only in the 60's...so please intervene befor it's too late...do what ever it takes...seek immediate help from an intervention hotline...look in the phonebook,or online...calls are anonymous...you will be helping them both...your the only hope this baby has...and your daughter too...this will wake her up and help her focus on what's important...
If what you have written is true this is child abuse.
The wise and cautious thing to do would be to call child protection services just as Thanbey suggested. The baby was vomitting for a week before he saw a doctor!*!?? Your daughter is old enough to make her own choices but your grandchild has no such choice and needs you to help him NOW!
Call the doctor's office first and insist on an appointment immediately and then call child protection services and if your daughter gives you any trouble call the police.
Don't think about it anymore just DO IT!*!
The wise and cautious thing to do would be to call child protection services just as Thanbey suggested. The baby was vomitting for a week before he saw a doctor!*!?? Your daughter is old enough to make her own choices but your grandchild has no such choice and needs you to help him NOW!
Call the doctor's office first and insist on an appointment immediately and then call child protection services and if your daughter gives you any trouble call the police.
Don't think about it anymore just DO IT!*!
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