My pain radiates from under my right shoulder blade, to under my rib cage in front. Hurts worse when I sit. Tried a block but it didnt work. Now they want to do some sort of nerve burning on T6-10. Has any one ever had this done?
If you have activated trigger points in your quaratus lumborim muscles it is not unusual for the gluteus minimus muscle to become involved because this muscle lies in the same pain reference zone.
To stretch the left quadratus lumborum muscle when you are lying on your side bring your arm up over head to pull up the rib cage. Place a pillow under your waist. Swing your left leg in front and and let it hang off the bed. Have your husband gently push back against your chest
Then place your left leg behind you (dangling off the bed). Your arm is stretched above in front of your head to pull up the rib cage. Ask your husband to apply gentle pressure on your upper body that is aimed up and forward. Your bottom leg stays bent on the table.
The idea is to separate the last ribs from the crest of the ilium where this muscle attaches.
A lumbar support should be used only at the start of pain as long time use will weaken your muscles.
Im going to have this procedure done i went for the first diagnostic shots second ones are in a couple days i hope this works I'm 28 and an auto mechanic cant do my job with this pain,. And have spent alot money on facet joint injections and trigger point injections. I'm prayin this works I need my life back. Is this procedure pricy.
Hi, I have been very active in High School doing a lot of sports and now i have been having lower back pain and pain on my left side from my lower back to my shoulder for about 11 years now and have been to several doctors and all of them but one hasnt believed me (b/c im 28 now) the one ive been going to now is doing a lot more but they gave me a steroidal epidural and that didnt help, they have me on an anti inflammatory and a muscle relaxer and it isnt helping at all...they did talk about burning nerves in my lower back and i am so scared its going to hurt..they had to give me xanax for the epidural b/c i hate needles..my question is..does it hurt that bad and is there anything they can do besides burning the nerves to relieve the pain? (if it isnt 100% effective) i am tired of dealing with this back pain (i have a very active 2 year old that i cant play with) i know i should just "suck it up" and get the procedure done with the burning of nerves but i dont want to do it and put myself through the anxiety of it if it isnt going to work. Thanks.
you are in Belle chasse? Yeah ya right baby!! I am from algiers originally. My best childhood friend had a restaurant in Belle chase for 40 years Tom and Jerrys. Do you know the Hodnetts?
anyways, the procedure is a piece of cake. If you are having such back pain, the procedure is in and out. You have it done and go home. Then for the next couple of days you gradually feel better. It sounds a lot worse than it is. When my Doctor told me about it, my next question was "how soon can we do it". The hardest part was the first couple hours after surgery, i have not had back pain since. bruce
After exhausting the epidural shots for lower back pain I had the Radiofrequency Rhizotomy procedure done. Both sides. It took away the horrible nerve pain. Pain that wouldn't allow me to stand upright. Much less walk. After three weeks I still have pain in my right buttocks. I can't stand for more than a few minutes without pain which feels like it is coming from the lower back area. Maybe arthritis? I was diagnosed with degenerative disk disease at one point in time. The neurosurgeon twice reviewed my MRI's and said I didn't need disk surgery. Any advice would be very welcomed.
If you are having difficulty standing upright your rectus abdominis muscle and/or the and psoas muscles are spasming. These muscles act as flexors - they bend you forwards.
The Cobra position in yoga is an excellent stretch for the abdomens rectus muscle. Just make sure that you are doing it correctly. Your pelvis must stay firm on the floor and your arms must be positioned under your shoulders.
Years ago when I first started my massage practice I had a new client who came in bent over. He could not stand up straight. He told me he experienced pain in his lower back so those were the muscles I massaged. After the massage when he got up to leave I saw that he was still bent over. What I had done didn't help. I went running to my books and I spoke to someone whose husband had the exact same problem and this is what I learned.
The problem was his is psoas muscles were spasming. And this is the cure. Lay on your back with your knees bent. Keeping the soles of your feet together and your knees bent let your knees fall apart. Place pillows under the outside of your knees so that when you feel a gentle stretch you can relax into that position. The husband in question stayed in this position for 20 minutes then got off the table and walked away like nothing had happened.
I would bet you possibly have a CSF leak causing your headaches. I hope this is not the case as getting a diagnosis of this is extremely difficult. I dont know where you are located but if you are in the US I would recommend you go to visit Dr. Linda Gray. She is amazing at finding and fixing CSF leaks following spinal surgery and spontaneous spinal CSF leaks. I have what I believe a CSF leak following spinal surgery and two repair surgeries to fix the leak. I am pretty sure I am still leaking. I am now about to go in to have the nerves to my coccyx burnt, I am not sure what this proceedure is exactly and have no idea what to expect. I also now have 4 further disc protrusions and severe back and leg pain with loss of feeling and burning sensation in my right leg.
I have alot of back and neck problems and have for years . I took a fall in March that really added more problems to those injuries that I already had . I fell down some icy stairs . I felt every stair . I was completely knocked out . For how long I don't know . I know my neighbor came in and found me . He said he almost ran over me . Not good . My neck especially escallated from that time on . I have had the nerves burned 3 times on the left and the right side my neck and 4 differant levels . In June I went in and they did the left side and 2 weeks later I had the right side done . I left there and came home and went to sleep for about 5 hours . I got up and I could not hold up my head ! Literally ! I had no strength to hold my head up ! I still don't ! I called the doctor that did it and he had me come in the next day . I asked if it could just be swelling in there and he said no . He put me on muscle relaxers . hmmmm . Then in 5 days I went in to see my pain management doctor ( same office ) It was so bad . It even hurts to lightly touch my skin !. My clothes even make it hurt ! And still could not hold up my head . So he said he could either do a cortizone shot and try steroids . I just looked at him . I told him he better give me the steriods because he was NOT putting another needle in my neck !!! I mean come on now ! Look at me !!! He also gave me a pain med . Well , I had to call him because the pain meds were making me have seizures again . I have not had any in a very long time . So what does he tell me ? Just take them at night and I will sleep through the seizures with any luck ! WHAT ????? Do some of these doctors get their degrees at the local 5 and dime stores ?? I see that doctor again the end of the week but I am not sure I will trust anything else he tells me ! ! Then he also said that he thinks that something else caused it and it is just a coinsidence that it happened when it did . Well , I think the chances are quite slim . I just want it FIXED ! If it can be fixed . I have exercises that I have been doing on my neck for sometime . I am doing the ones I can . But they do not seem to make much differance like they did before . Anyone ever had this happen to them ?? I would like to hear how it went for you if it did . Thanks , Audrey
Hi, I'm living in Ama, LA, in St. Charles Parish. Are you living in Algiers now. I used to live in Belle Chasse. Who is your pain doc. Mine is Dr. Patrick Waring. and I have had 3 epidarial steriod shots and going to have a 4 on the 27 of Sept. for degenitive disc diease in the neck, have 3 verabras afftected, and it is actually arthritis from the mri. The first to blocks worked great for 8 months and they said I did good and want to think about doing burn nevere ending for this, just wondering if you heard about this in neck before. and if it would help. Thanks Valmypal
HI I have been having back trouble for years and have been facet joint injections three time and two times with radio frequency But i was speaking to the Pain Nurse today and they told me that the consultant burnt the nerve in my back and that it doesn't grow back for about a year. I got my done about 11 weeks ago and when they did it I got to pain relief while they were putting the 4 needles into my back so I don't think that they did burn it off but now he has discharge me from his records and such to go back to your GP for more painkillers which I am still on really strong ones. How do you know if you got the nerve burnt Brenda
What would you say to do if the nerve or muscle pain is in the right thigh keeping me from walking, get sick, and blood bressure goes up high. Had surgery at T12 Feb 2012 , fusion at "L4L5 S1 in 04 and Failed back surgery in. 99. I am in so much pain especially on standing. Take any help you can give
First of all, you must determine what is causing your problem and whether you are doing something to exasperate your symptoms. Start by gently stretching to determine which muscles are tight. Strengthening exercises should be focused on the erector spine muscles (back), quadratus lumborum (lower back), psoas and piriformus muscles (hip), and the hamstrings (leg).
It's amazing how quickly people can heal themselves if they know exactly what to do and what not to do.
Bruce or anyone who has had the diagnostics and rhizotomy:
I am scheduled for the diagnostics next week in my lower back. I asked my new PM if she would use MAC or twilight anesthesia and she said no. She only uses a local. Does anyone know if this is normal?
I've had several steroid injections in my back by a different PM who used twilight meds on me. They were absolutely painless procedures and I was not fearful of returning for more. But I've been told that the steroids are bad for me....
Also, can you tell me what to expect after the diagnostics. I am supposed to be taking care of my infant granddaughter and need to know how long I'll be out of commission.
I hate being fearful AND ignorant.
Hello! I'm a 23 year old who had the RFA done last Monday (1/14/13). The procedure it itself is absolutely nothing, they numb the area so you don't feel a thing. I was mildly sedated, but my doctor informed me that you SHOULD NOT be put completely under during this procedure because they need to talk to you during it to verify that they have the correct location (honestly, I don't even remember being awake during it though).
The doctor told me it would be a rough three weeks after the procedure. The night of, I was hospitalized (this is NOT usual, my body reacts to severe pain with uncontrollable vomiting, the vomiting, not the pain, is why I went to the hospital). The next four days I was in very little pain, maybe a 3/10 (4/10 at it's worst), when I was use to living with an 8/10 (10/10 at it's worst). But now for the past two days I've been in NO pain!!!! There is still a mild discomfort, some tightness, and soreness, but it is so much better I can't believe this is real. The recovery has been nothing compared to the pain I was living with before, so if you we're able to take care of your granddaughter before, I'd imagine you'd be okay in just a few short days.
QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE WHO HAS HAD THE RFA:
As I said above, it's only been a week and I feel so much better already. But movement still hurts (just milder), and it is very sore and stiff. I guess what I'm curious about is, for those who have had this, does the relief continue to keep getting better for three weeks after the procedure or is this as good as it is going to get? I'm so thankful for this, but it's not one hundred percent and I'm very young and need to get back into college (I had to medically withdrawal my senior year), and start living life again.
Also, I'm so nervous that this really is too good to be true and that I'm going to wake up tomorrow exactly where I was before. Has anyone ever heard of someone getting extreme relief that doesn't actually last, or does the fact I have relief already mean it really did work?
You described my old back pain to a tee above. So I was curious, I use to get pain in my left hip bone radiating to the front and back, but I haven't felt it in a year or so. Now that the back isn't hurting so badly, I feel the hip again. Are there any stretches or exercises I can do to loosen up my hip or whatever needs to be done with it? And the lower back feels much better, but I still get a sharp pain on the left side of the back of my ribs that feels better with pressure or heat, any suggestions on that? These problems aren't as bad as the lower back so I'm hoping I can fix them myself!
just now saw this. In my case it was determined prior to the surgery which T zones were going to be killed off. (like t3 to t6 or whatever). The doctor used a sonogramer in the procedure to make sure she was in the right place. The first one i had done lasted 6 months. Took 4 days to feel better. The second one she used a different machine and i felt better the next day. SHe went deeper. Its been about 1.5 year now and i still feel okay.
easy procedure. I live 2 miles from the hospital and actually jogged there and then had a cab take me home.
I had the procure done 2 weeks ago I am in pure mystery, the doctor gave me some meds to relax me for the procedure ,I was to nerveous the medication did not work! I told the doctor that I was not sedated but he continue anyway(my miss take) I begged him to stop the whole time, at one point I passed out completely, I sobbed uncontrollable the whole time!! I really have have a great pain tolerance, and this was unbearable!! I asked for pain meds, I have a low dose of pain meds already they said this would be enough,well they were crazy!! They did give me a muscle relaxer for spinal cord injury I believe it saved my life!! I do not believe I will ever have this done again,especially at this office!!!
I have degenerative disc disease from my neck down to my tail bone. I had 2 surgery on my right shoulder from bone spurs. Now, Im in pain in it again. I've seen the doctor over this and he said, it could be scare tissue. causing the problem. With the mri he dont see any reason for another. I cant lay on my right side no more the 15 mins. He did a mri on my left shoulder said, I had a bone spur that will soon be tearing into my rotor cuff. I said, it dont hurt, only when Im laying on that side to long. So, I refuse to do another one having both arms, that could be even worse.I also had ulnar nerve compression on my right elbow. My arms are so weak. I can only pick up no more then 10 lbs and have to put it down right away. Also, my arms ache so bad. My husband massages with muscle rub. I have to have deep tissue massage in my neck, shoulders, and arms to be able just to get out of bed. In my low back I cant hardly stand him touching it. He rubs the muscle rub on the low back for me to even get up. He puts this on at least 4 times a day.Im been.Iwas never dianosed with fibromyalgia but they put me on neurontin 600mg 2pills 3 times a day, going on 3 yrs. I cant tell a difference it taking it. I been on I been to chiropractors, physcal therpy, had trigger points & pain meds. I have been in pain managment haveing lumbar cervical epidural steroid innjections for 3 yrs. And its not helping. I tried another painmanagement dr and he looked at my medical history. He put my on roxicodone. I never heard of it. I took it, it seemed to help but few days later, I was hurting in the top of stomach. I started vomiting, direahea for 2 days. Called doctor and told him and he put me on zofran, it helped alittle. But, I dont know if being sick is worse then the pain. They both was running a close race. I went off it for few days. I wasnt sick but, still in pain. Tried the roxicodone and zofran again. I wasnt vomiting but, I felt so sick.Pain was alittle better, while taking it. So, I went off the meds again. Cause, I couldnt stand being sick. I was so, sick I couldnt sit up. With pain I can sit few, stand few, etc.Now, the doctor wants to burn the nerves in my neck and low back. Im sooooooo scared. Can this procedure cause you to be paralyzed? I need all the help I can get.
I know this is years later but.....thank you for documenting your story. I have been in misery for a year and am now scheduled for having my nerve burned to stop the pain. I have been afraid of it. Afraid to hope. Afraid it would just make me more miserable.
Hearing from someone whom has been there is absolutely what I needed. Thank you for sharing. Thank you most for giving me a little piece of mind. I am a mother of three and can't continue to be sitting on the side lines.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
my husband has had his back fused together at the l4 and l5 area then a year later he got the si joint fused also he still in very much pain now they want to burn his nerve ending in his back do u think that this will help him he is tired of the pills and all the pain he still has he has wanted to kill himself cause of the pain I'm really worried about this procedure I hope this helps him with all his pain
I really don't know if I'm getting my nerves burned or not in the lower part of my back yet it will be my first time. I'm game anything to get rid of this pain. I've had this for a few years I use to stand on my feet I was a hair stylist for years I've raised two grandkids and working on my third one now. I would try anything to get rid of pain I can take it for awhile and then that's it and I've hit that's it. So I hope I'm a candidate to have my burned. Hope I'm one of those that are lucky and the pain goes away soon afterwards.
Its not really a burning, its a radioofrequency thing that goes in and has more of a freezing effect. Make sure hes knocked out. If it works he will be in a lot of pain when he wakes up til the next day. Then in about 3 days should start getting some major relief.
Hi Bruce, just wanted to thank you for your posts. Its encouraging for me.
I have arthritis in my lower back and bulging disc issues from years of a healthy active lifestyle and finally getting rear-ended by a speeding semi.....What use to be flare ups became a regular thing...this became unbearable for me.
Steroid injections lasted less than a week. I am 3 weeks in, from my right side nerves being burned and less than two weeks in, from the left side being done.......i am in so much pain! It actually felt better, earlier on, but its getting really tough to take. I do not like taking pain meds.
I did read a post where somebody said it can take up to a month of pain, before the burning procedure really takes affect. If this was you, thx so much. It will make today, pethaps, a little easier to get through. Hope is a beautiful thing.
I see the doc on wednesday.....im sure he will have answers for me, too
Make sure you get the radio rhizotomy where you are put under. Under no circumstance should you do this while awake. There are two kinds, one goes deeper in than the other one. A friend just had it done last week and feels better in 2 days. You will be sore the day of and next day, but after that you should start to feel relief. Remember, when you wake up and they ask you the pain level, tell them "10" so you get some good feeling drugs while you are there :)
I have had two steroid epidurals and two facets( a different medicine but same area L4 & L5. I am scheduled for the nerve burning on the 21st of this month. My pain management Dr. says I will get a minimum of 6 months relief. I am praying it works because my disk are herniated at L4, L5, & S1. I will post how it goes.
I have ALOT of arthritis in my back along with spinal stenosis and bulging discs and age. I have not been out of my house for over a year. I can't stand for longer than 3 minutes...............i finally was sent to a pain clinic where they tried meds, which really didn't work. Am looking into a spinal stimulator and hopefully insurance will pay.
I had the Facet Joint Blocks a few weeks ago and it helped ALOT. Now they say that since that worked, they will FREEZE the nerves...............
Anyone had that done?????????????????
Do not get a fusion! Ever!! That is an archaic approach to fixing spine injuries known to have terrible success rates and is irreversible. additionally it will cause problems on the discs and vertebrae above and below the fusion point. I was 17 when I first suffered my spine injury in HS wrestling. It wasn't diagnosed proudly until after I was in the usmc and 19. A lot of it had to do with core strength and flexibility and it hurts like hell to work through. 13 years later after a discectomy at 20 it looks as though the burning of my best option...but there are disc replacements, discectomies and many other procedures before ever considering fusion. Personally I would exhaust all physical therapy strength and conditioning options first and foremost even if pain pills are needed in the beginning
I am having my radio-frequency of the facets on the right side of my neck.This is the second time i have had this done, it LASTED 4 YEARS!!!!. I truly believe the outcome has lot to do with the DR!!!. I have a pain management Dr who is a anesthesiologist ,He has done my whole back years ago and now i need him again, but five years is a long time to be pain free.If you are in near Merritt island Fla look up the space coast pain clinic, Dr Gayles. you won't regret it
I went through many facet injections in my lower back, I have severe back pain after a car accident. When those would wear off my Dr. from the pain clinic recommended that we try burning the nerves. It takes 4 weeks for the nerves to completely "die" I had months of no pain in my lower back and no pain shooting down my leg, it was amazing. Well it's back with a vengeance, I spoke with the pain clinic nurse and she said some people grow back the nerves and it is common for a small percentage of people who do grow back the nerves to have the pain come back also. They recommend burning the nerves again and if the pain comes back, talk to your pain clinic Dr. about inserting a nerve stimulator or a pump in your lower back to deal with the pain. You shouldn't have to deal with debilitating pain and take hard core narcotics- Don't get me wrong take them when you need them, that is what they are for, but you shouldn't have to live on them, that's no life. Anyway this has been my experience so far- so i'm making my next apt for my 2nd nerve burning and after that- no more, i'm getting a pump put in or a nerve stimulator. I'm tired of walking like i'm 90 and i'm only in my 30's
Brucegoldberg: I have the burning sensation in between my shoulder blades. T-3,4,5,6,7. Then starts out all over my back. But it only happens when I sit and lean back against the back. It burns so bad it's inflamed my stomach and through to my chest. I can walk around and it will go away. It burns like a 3rd degree sunburn. Does that sound like what you had?
Had back surgery in 10/13 had injections before that and then the surgery. It was great for about 3 months and the back and leg pain started all over again. I now have had 3 more injections and I still have back and leg pain although this is only my 4th day after the 3rd injection.
I am very active love golf, fishing , long walks etc. Any suggestions if this injection don't work??
My husband has had numerous injections in his back for pain and none of them worked. He had been asking the doctor at the pain clinic to try nerve burning for a year. The last time we went the doctor said he had done it the time before. He only had one needle, would this be enough to burn the nerves?
Yes -- neurolysis (or RF ablation) is performed through a single catheter for each level. The interventional pain doctor inserts the catheter into the medial groove of the affected vertebrae. Once position is confirmed with fluorscope, the needle is replaced by an electronic probe that "burns" the nerve.
This procedure reduces pain in the facet joint (at that level.) On a bilateral ablation, two injection sites are visible. There is one site per side, per level in this procedure.
Hi. this is my first time on here. But I just got the nerve burning procedure done on Thursday and its Monday now and I'm still hurting. How long does it take for it to start working? And I was reading that some of you guys were put to sleep when you had this done is that right? cause I was wide awake and crying like a big baby (I'm 55 yrs old) and cussing like a sailor. I've been with back problems since 2004 and been on pain meds since then but under different doctor care now when I started to take pain meds they had me taking 10mg of percs every 4 hours. and now this new doctor will only give me 5mg every 8 hrs. whats up with that? Can anyone give me some advise?
Well, it would help to know what procedure you had, and what it was meant to treat.
The neuroablation procedure does damage to neighboring tissue, and so will cause pain until this temporary trauma is healed -- usually 1 to 2 weeks.
Also, neuroablation is usually done in two stages -- one side, then the other. If you have advanced spine disease and chronic pain syndrome, you will probably not receive relief until they are finished with both sides, and you've healed.
The usual protocol calls for a two-week wait between procedures, which means that altogether, the process requires about 1 month before it is at maximum pain relieving effectiveness.
Not everyone is put under general anesthesia. Sometimes only waking anesthesia is used, and doses may need adjusting. Tell your doc before the next procedure that you experienced a lot of pain during the first procedure, and perhaps she'll adjust to your dose to give you more pain relief during the procedure.
You were given post procedure instructions -- have you been following them?
I'm having 3 nerves in my neck burned tomorrow. The 2 trials are diagnostic as well as for insurance purposes. If they don't work, it's not likely the burning will work. Mine worked, but I had really bad soreness in the injection sites for 2 weeks after the second trial, so I'm scared I'll feel horrible after the burning for at least that long. I have a good massage therapist in Hemet, CA. Mercy Champlin at Hands of Mercy Day Spa. You can find her online or on Facebook.
Chances are you will recover from the nerve ablation procedure in less than a week.The procedure causes some inflammation that causes a temporary spike in pain, but does not last long. Then you can look forward to many months of decreased neck pain.
That medial branch block procedure is brutal -- relieving pain for at most 6 hours, while exacerbating pain for a week or more. These days, there is talk of eliminating this step in the treatment of spondylosis and facet syndrome. At least you will not have to have this again the next time you need a nerve ablation -- it will have already been proven to be effective.
I have 2 buldgin disk l4 and l5 I had 8 injections and worst pain for the next 2 days of my life on pain killers hydro 103 x a day hes upn it to 4x a day on a 4 mg mucscle relaxer dnt want up that, now saying he wants to burn the the nerves in back with I think 3 injections as well, I also have osteoarthirthis in left knee and is giving me 3 injesctions in the knee all in the same day. I want some relief but tierd of the injections the physical therapy makes it worse so I refuse to pay money on that that's not an option and told pain management dr that, I did it 3 x well 3 strikes ur out not doing it, I have water above the knee had it drained 2 x they say cant drain any more or I risk infection and loosing my leg, I'm only 38 and have to small children 10 and 8. any suggestions I open to listen? thank you
My pain radiates from under my right shoulder blade, to under my rib cage in front. Hurts worse when I sit. Tried a block but it didnt work. Now they want to do some sort of nerve burning on T6-10. Has any one ever had this done?
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