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[monkeyc]

Ok so Christmas ***** for me, Its a day that I hate not least because Ilost my mother on Dec22nd but also because of all the fake cheerfulness and good will toward men stuff - the bee cheerful or shut up attitude that pervades.

Suddenly people you cannot stand buy you presents and you have to smile and be nice, work christmas parties are the 10th circle of hell where people you have to work with are now people who get drunk and insist on talking to you (And living in Australia where binge drinking is a national pastime this is a big thing trust me) and generally its rather miserable.

So how do you handle christmas?  Im not feeling great right now so I am alternating between curling into a ball until its over or just bearing with the fake good will.

Whats christmas like for you ?  Surely I am not the only BP who wants to avoid it and gets depressed by it?

[horselover65]

I don't think it was all that harsh. I'm alone most of the time and if I were to die, my body would lie here until my husband got home - and he's gone all week. I don't work, don't go to church and am no longer involved in anything I can't do by phone or online. I have no real friends here - or anywhere. Locally, I've attracted people who are either more messed-up than I ever dreamed of being or con artists. Or both. I have two "friends" who want me when they need me - or something. I just know that they don't return calls either but will pop up 6 months or even a year later and act like things are fine and dandy. Sigh... The closest I have to a friend is our horse trainer. She's 20 years old. Not exactly a peer.

Even though I have family, I can identify with your situation to a certain degree. I probably couldn't see my family at the holidays even if I wanted to because it is extremely hard to find a reliable, trustworthy person to look after the house, dogs, cats, and horses. Our dog situation in particular is complicated and potentially dangerous if a person was careless.

I don't know what I would do if I were forced to go out. I can easily go weeks without leaving our property. I battle agoraphobia and anxiety when I do go out and often have panic attacks in public. What is your therapy treating? Is it more than bipolar? Anyway, just wanted to let you know you're not alone. There will be no holiday parties around here either.

[LeftCoastChick]

I'm very sorry, my post was really harsh. I've been having a real rough go of it this last week - my mood drops really quickly, no excuse though. I'm really embarrassed, I shouldn't have vented like that.

[ILADVOCATE]

I agree. But I didn't acquire my physical disability from nowhere. The advanced tardive dyskinesia and what they are identifying as tardive psychosis is a long term side effect  from the medication I took in the past. And I am homebound because of it. But the point is I am not bitter. And I am seeing the same psychiatrist this week that I was seeing that I acquired it under his care. I post this because in looking back he didn't make any medical errors. But clearly it shouldn't have gotten this bad. We are looking to see what happenned as its complex. It was masked and emerged in this advanced form when I was on Clozaril (which does not cause it).
I do remember one thing. In 1991 when I was first hospitalized they told my mother "your son may get tremors". I think we all know what happenned. But when I testified at that psychiatric hospital about my recovery from glycine, it was strange to be looking at the director there who may have told them to understate the risk of tardive dyskinesia as not to frighten people. I don't know whether I "forgive" him. But I understand why he said it. It was a hopeless situation. If people knew the extent of it they might go off medication. But it was more important for new treatments to be developed. I had to let go of any anger or animosity. Those feelings detracted from my recovery. Look at all the people with my disability who have created unneccessary havoc for psychiatry.
  And before I recovered I was always antagonstic towards my psychiatrist, having nothing to do with tardive dyskinesia. I was psychotic. But when I see him this week, I will wish him "happy holidays" (he's Jewish and a relative non believer such as myself). I bear no animosity towards him or anyone else who isn't antagonistic towards me. So on Christmas I'll see my mother a bit. And then I'll be right here at home. But I won't feel bitter unlike last year. I do want to work. I want to be out with other people. But I can't. Physically. But some issues of greater good are important. I try my best. I understand your perspective but I thought if you spoke your piece I'd put mine in.

[LeftCoastChick]

You know what folk.The ones that are complaining about get together's are darned lucky to have things to beak off about at Christmas.I have no family here and the family I do have is 1000 miles away(the emotional distance not my doing), I have one "friend" whom I was close for 5 yrs but has fallen in love and now too darned busy to return my calls. I'm not working and on LTD right now. I'm trying to get out, and part of my rehab is getting out into the world, which I'm trying hard to do, but I have no one close enough to invite me to anything.

So please, yes human relations really are bothersome at times, but you should appreciate what you DO have and understand the lessons you are supposed learn.

Sorry I needed to vent, but if I was to die tomorrow, my landlord would be the one to find me when the rent was late.

[argize]

I'm a UPS driver here in the states, need I say more?  =P

[ILADVOCATE]

I would think. That's sorely lacking in some people. And a change of pace. Last holiday season as I had acquired the tardive conditions and was off a mood stabilizer as well I had suicidal ideations. I was completely emotive and watched "Its a Wonderful Life" all teary eyed. No need to post again but I described how the friend's holiday party "worked out". It didn't. Some people will not be supportive regardless and some need to learn. But its a year later and although I am adjusting mood stabilizers and watching for signs of moodswings myself because the one I am on can cause it, I updated my tag to the one a friend of mine found for me of the glycine molecular process.
  I was interested to learn about "dysphoric mania" which is known but rare and my psychopharmocologist about "tardive psychotic depression" which is clinically still a hypothetical criteria and it was a mixture of both. But now that its lifting all I can say is its nice to feel like myself again. Now I need to make some concessions to get some of friends back but its hard not to be antagonistic towards people who are but at least I can get over all of that self loathing aspect. Then it won't bother me. Its strange to feel in the real world again. Unusual. Even if what was going on was neurological I'm glad it over. Scary...

[LetaB]

  All we can do for sure is build a wall of peace around ourselves before we see our kin. Know what might be said and how you will stay cool anyway. In my family I have born again missionaries, agnostics, Catholics, and die hard athiests. There were days when we were trying to enlighten each other or save each other from hell. I guess we're just older now. There's so many of us with aunts, uncles, cousins, and second cousins that there are people to switch conversations with or who'll help in changing topics. One thing my family DOES have is a sense of humor. Maybe that's the key.

[ILADVOCATE]

It all makes sense. But then how can a person then take that charitable spirit home and not have family conflicts on Christmas? Not so much that they won't occur but how to prevent them from spiraling out of control? How can people's families unite on a holiday they are supposed to and not feel antagonistic. Because I've been to a variety of events for Christmas and other holidays (we all posted about Thanksgiving) and seen it happen over and over. If everyone feels charitable then surely its a time for all of us to be supportive of each other? Why doesn't it work out that way? And how could that be changed?

[LetaB]

  That is exactly what I have been preaching in far less eloquent fashion. You don't have to go to Africa to find those far less well off than you are. Oportunities are there and your local charities and nursing homes will be happy to have you contribute - in a hands on way. If not call the churches. They may have avenues for you to give of yourself. I still have children at home and am moving but I do find time to sing in a group that raises money for food shelves. It's not that I think any of you aren't contributing to society it's just that a few of you seem to see things so small and dark and I think this sort of therapy would help YOU!

[mommy52]

When I am feeling "down", I try to go out and visit. Not that I want to bring those in the nursing home down, but while I am there I see a different scene. There a lady slumped in her W/C. You gently help her straighten up. She gives you a smile and thanks you. Another is slowly moving his W/C down to his room. A gentle move from me and a brief conversation again brings a smile to his face. As I encounter each one I tell them hello, smile and I love them. I saw patients as a hospice nurse in this facility when I was working. I get and give hugs. So what if their hands are dirty, I'll wash them. If their clothes have food on them, I can wash mine. What I am trying to say is when I takw the focus off of myself and put it on others, I feel less depressed. Some of these do not have family/friends that visit. When I go, I thought I was helping them when in reality, I am the one that is helped. Please take no offense. Spread some love and cheer. So many out in the world are lonely like some of us. Be a friend. Blessings.  Madlyn

[ILADVOCATE]

Actually I experienced some mood stabilization with the Tenex even though its primary purpose was for controlling dystonic spasms (its clinically related to Clonidine which is used off label as a mood stabilizer so its not surprising). I didn't realize that some of the hatred and hostility I experienced was from an agitated mixed state and I feel bad having driven friends and family away. I am being more supportive of my mother with her own recovery now and a friend of mine (who is Jewish and celebrates Hanukah) recieved a gift I ordered for him today and was happy about that and another friend of mine who celebrates Christmas will recieve his sometime around then. And perhaps in a matter of weeks I will be able to get out and about physically a bit but even if not I don't have feelings of animosity that brought me close to the brink. But knowing that others do I did a journal entry on that because I know for many people it can be a difficult time of year.

[GeorgiaAnnie]

So I'm manic....

[GeorgiaAnnie]

Love ya gal.

[bernie40]

My kids love board games - we get out the monopoly and cleudo.  They must get it from me because my husband can't stand them! Sigh - can't please everyone I suppose :-)

[LetaB]

  Ah honey, I know just how you feel. I am in similar constraints EVERY Christmas as my children's father has no desire to see them. We will string cranberries, watch old movies, play board games - in this electric worls I've gotta pray every December that my kids aren't too sophisticated for this sort of stuff but I think they find it sort of comforting. The world tries to put the emphasis on material things and it's up to us to put it back where it belongs - family.

[JesAngel29]

Christmas is very lonely for me but I am trying to be optomistic this year. I dont usually have my children on Christmas but this year I do but I have to admit that I am not ready to have them this year. I am under financial hartship and cant afford Christmas and wish they went to there dad's where I know they would be taken care of. So now I am burden with the though of buying presents and making sure they have some what of a Christmas.

[BipolarBear75]

I hate Christmas. I didn't always....I hated it as a kid because my parents would get so drunk and we would fight or they would fight or my father would say something to upset me. Then while I was married and spend time with my husbands normal family it was great. But now I am divorced and have been apart for four years now and on Christmas eve when I remember going to my inlaws and sleeping over there...now I have nobody because my son is gone to his dad's. Christmas day I have him back though!

I have been less and less in the spirit every year! I have bought the bare minimum of gifts yet trying to get something everyone will like!

So no, I am not looking forward to spending "family time" all alone!

[tres1965]

I wish I could say Christmas was/is a easy, joyous occassion for me also. It used to be awesome as a child, wow hunh? As a teen also, as a young Mama it was good, the financial strain was worth the kids smiles. My marriage ended at Thanksgiving, then my 2nd marriage was  awesome, then my ex decided to cut my throat the 11th of Dec. That ended the fun games. That was also my Brothers B'day...Then my stroke, then my Brother had an aneurysum (sp) on my B'day....get the pic? *L*..But thru it all, a sense of humor prevails. Heck, life has to be one big joke right? I like to think SoMeoNe is getting a kick out of watching this? I may be jaded/old/worn down, but darn it, I WANT to believe in Elves/Snowmen talking/Rudolph...the magic of a childs eyes..a teary Christmas card. Otherwise, why try at all? Anyhow for my part in this CandyCane life..Merry Christmas!!

[ILADVOCATE]

  Well that's what I meant in the original post. That side of the family had gone through massive substance abuse (one eventually developed cirrhosis of the liver and needed a transplant, in the 60's and 70's he had used heroin) but they are cleaned up and went to AA and NA. But many of them had a psychiatric disability and some had been on medication and said "I'm fine. It was just the drugs. I'm not mentally ill" (the world's oldest cop-out, substance abuse is often self medication). One person had taken antipsychotics and went off them, other people seemed to have bipolar and an uncle of mine obviously had bipolar with psychotic features. I remember that last Christmas he started off in an agitated mixed state with his revenge plans against the world and ended up after finishing rapid cycling in an elated mood telling me about "helping returning veterans with tbi" (which is something of importance, its just that he was ranting about it).
   That's what I meant by "dysfunctional family Christmas". But in that family no one knew anything was wrong except for the one person in treatment (even before recovery) which was me and since a lot of the symptoms were being hateful and passive aggressive and I often was the receiving end of it I got sick of it. But every Christmas less and less family members on that side showed up and my grandmother on that side of the family said one year (with seriousness) "this is the last year I do this" but I guess had a second opinion next year. I can accept their psychiatric disabilities, the idea that they are recovered substance abusers but the idea that they all thought they were "fine" and were symptomatic the whole time at each other's and my expense did bother me. And my grandfather on that side was genuinely anti-semitic and if not (happenned with other groups so it may be the case) an "expert" in offending people and my mother said in the past my natural father had to physically defend him when he started off someone who almost got into a fist fight and that's a bit too symptomatic to me. But yes that's where I inherited the schizoaffective from. And perhaps substance abuse as well. I don't know. I never drank so I made sure I didn't find out.

[LetaB]

  Speaking for myself, my family, extended and immediate, are (unfortunately related to me) and the nut who in my nuttiness I married and the four kids who took after one or the both of us and to my ADHD father who was obsessed by my mother who is bipolar...What I'm trying to say is since what we have here is a disorder which is (in most cases) genetic and connected to so many others (ADHD, Anxiety, OCD, etc.) the odds of having only ONE disruptor in a group of us is slim. In my family Conduct Disorder and Oppositional/Defiance like to show their ugly heads in a festive setting. My father always admitted he loved to debate and several of us take after him. By now we know each other's weaknesses and stressors. Some skirt these and some take advantage of knowing. The peace makers clear the room. If there's a genuine meltdown clearer heads prevail - making them feel important, taking them aside for a private pep talk. I'm sorry but I do believe that "cheerfulness" is sometimes mind over matter. That's the difference between adults and children. Keeping busy is the bast plan.

[ILADVOCATE]

Yes this is a seperate discussion but I agree with you about charities. Not particular charities. The concept of charity. Giving money to people by itself doesn't help. And yes many charities do spend much of the money on advertising. The place I volunteer doesn't and neither do the independent living centers but many organizations not just for people with disabilities but any cause function in that manner to empower people rather than leave them in the same position. But that's a seperate political discussion.
  Actually I don't want to be "happy and cheerful". Not if I don't genuinely feel it. A lot of people here are down not just because of moodswings but because of the reccesion and lost jobs and certainly as the holidays come around because of family conflicts. When something is wrong in my life I want to come to terms with it. When I see something wrong in society I want to do something about it in whatever way I can. I think if someone has a Christmas celebration of any kind and there is a troubled family member they should unite to support them not tell them "cheer up". Do something to bring them out of their misery. Certainly every day but for a person who is a believer in Christmas that day especially. If the family conflicts were turned into family support to resolve those conflicts then people's holidays would go better. The question is how? For each particular person? Ideas?

[monkeyc]

The belief that people are more aware of the needy is basically a fallacy - theyre now.

Charities struggle to raise money and if you asked the average person in the street what Darfur was i doubt 90% could answer you - sure they know about live aid and the like because of concerts but real awareness is beyond most people - they are actively discouraged by the diet of rubbish the media feeds them.

Some people are more aware, the average person is not.

Our government here just handed out $1000 to each pensioner and for each child as a stimulus package - charities have reported no increase in donations and the salvation army and other groups are desperate for assitance this time of year - however alcoholo, gambling and big ticket consumer item sales are up.

I thank god for the people who care.  I try any way I can.

And LetaB believe me I am not judging, I donate toys every year to disadvantaged children because someone has to and because i will never have children so I get to help them - this is not an i hate christmas as much as I hate the modern commericialised christmas brought to you by Coca Cola and (Insert shopping chain here).

I do not see why it has to be Dec 25th for there to be goodwill to all men and peace on earth.

thats just me, I know its hard for many of us when we do not want to be happy and cheerful.

[ILADVOCATE]

Look its important just because I identify as recovered doesn't mean I'm cured. I do have schizoaffective disorder with the bipolar aspect. The glycine has mitigated the psychosis but I do have moodswings. I've been on 30 mood stabilizers into total but never found the perfect fit. Its just with the glycine, I know when I am manic and able to rechannel the energy. The same with depressive episodes. I think its a good strategy. I don't know if its a new generation of anti-psychotics only or a different approach but it does work. Someone asked about the negative aspects of Christmas and I did point them out. There are certainly positive aspects from people who just enjoy giving gifts to those who help the needy to those who celebrate it as a faith based holiday. Each interpretation is fine.
   My mother's family still celebrates Hanukah and lighting the menorah is essential and for people I know who are observant Jews it has an absolute religious meaning. As a non believer I am not a part of that but the idea of a eternal guidance against oppression certainly would have significance to me, as does the original meaning of Christmas and perhaps that as well as the story that ended up as my tag (but now that I'm recovery from that neurological disability that caused that dissociation, I might change it) as a celebration from a time when people didn't understand why the sun was hardly present at that time of year and hoping it would come back. That doesn't detract from the teachings of Jesus but all the winter holidays being located at the time of the winter solstice come from this. You see in thinking about this I know that the children who will recieve the gifts arranged by other people I am volunteering with and they will enjoy Christmas and could not have otherwise. In the brief time in posting this I was able to wipe out negative energy. People ask me how I can do this and perhaps its the new treatments and perhaps its just a new outlook. I'll never know.

[horselover65]

I have always had a hard time at Christmas. As a child of an ugly, contentious divorce, I had to learn to lie and fake emotion from the time I was about five, maybe six. I would always have to split the day up and not let one side of the family know if I enjoyed myself or liked my presents or tell them what had happened at the OTHER side's house. And yes, they would quiz me and try to get me to spy so they could try to turn me against my mom, etc. Obviously, this was not fun. Soon enough, I didn't have to worry about having a good time because there was too much anxiety to enjoy myself. Over time, I became progressively more depressed and anxious each year. Some of my family members on my mom's side are also very argumentative and confrontational. They want to discuss politics, religion, etc. - all the things where we disagree. My husband hates that, too. He is totally non-confrontational and refuses to discuss those subjects with anyone except me. Since the discussions always turn into arguments and people end up emotional, we both dreaded going to any family gathering. Being around my family frequently means shutting my eyes tight and reaching for a glass of wine - or (more recently) taking meds (Valium or Xanax) and trying not to completely melt down while I'm waiting for it to kick in. This would be why I don't visit too often... When my father died several years ago, I am reminded of that loss every holiday. We were not close. He was not interested. He didn't even come to our wedding. But, as long as he was alive, there was the hope that some day we would have a better relationship. Now, that hope is gone.

We stopped travelling to visit family 6 years ago. We now have a quiet day at home alone and don't do much. We haven't even put up a tree since we left Texas. There is often crying and cuddling not just on the day but on many days during the season. I have problems from Thanksgiving until New Year's, but I still have to make an effort for at least a few days because my husband's birthday is in that time frame. One year, I couldn't do anything special and he was so hurt. What hurt him most was that I didn't have a card. He had presents, but no card or cake and we didn't go out. That won't happen again. If it kills me, I'll do something... Normally, I try to make a big deal because he is a twin and having a birthday 2 days before Christmas meant he had to share the day with his twin AND often would get that "one big present" for both occasions b.s. (I hate that).

One problem I have had before is that I lose control of the spending. That has already happened this year. The positive note is that he probably won't care. I do have to split everything between bday and Christmas, so hopefully it's not too obnoxious. (Ordered online and so I have no idea what I'll be dealing with in terms of wrapping or bulk). This is something that happens a lot with buying gifts for family members any time of year. I feel guilty for not seeing them often enough and over-compensate a little with presents. It's not a huge issue, though. I'm not sending out Rolex watches or anything.

The one thing I usually enjoy is going out to look at people's homes decorated for Christmas. We haven't done it in several years, but we are going to do it this year. We also get special treats for the dogs and give the horses something special.

Honestly, a lot of the time I am waiting for the season to pass and things to calm down. Around here, I don't see a lot of Christmas cheer. I see stressed-out people in the stores. People are rushing around every place. On the road, this is the time of year when I see a whole lot of people following too closely, passing when it isn't safe and/or legal, and generally driving like maniacs. And, they do it with their kids in the car. There are a lot of people who are obviously over-scheduled and probably sleep-deprived. Maybe it's just this area, but it is a bad time to go out almost any where. It's not like we always have good driving conditions this time of year. Last night, I was out in ICE and FOG - and sure enough, someone had to pass me where there isn't supposed to be passing - not that you could see where the lines on the road were but I live here so I know.

This time of year is when we look at all our charitable donations. We have one set up as a monthly debit, but we get solicitations from over 25 charities. So, we'll weed through all that. A few orgs like Toys for Tots have drop boxes, so I can incorporate that into a regular shopping trip. It's best when I shop at an odd hour and avoid the crush. I have trouble leaving the house already and there is zero appeal to going out this time of year. I no longer get involved hands-on with any organizations. I've found out the hard way four times now that I end up over my head and overwhelmed. Maybe if I learn to say "no" and can manage NOT to get emotionally involved, I will try it again some day...