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11 month old with bouts diarrhea

Hi everyone! I find myself back at this board with a mystery cat..
Opus, Jade, others, you know I took in Spook, he was about 5 1/2 months old on Halloween.
The problem is sporadic bouts of diarrhea..
I had this problem exactly 10 days of taking him in.
It took close to a month with two rounds of Flagyl and using fortiflora to get rid of the diarrhea.

Now, after going back to the vet to get checked over for scratching with no apparent cause, getting his nails clipped, he developed diarrhea which took once again, two rounds of Flagyl and he remained on the fortiflora. At this time I decided after he developed diarrhea again and still is scratching around his face and side of neck , that perhaps we are looking at a food intolerance

The stools became normal again and remained that way for 10 days

He has had 3 fecal checks, all negative for parasites, Giardia, etc..
I very SLOWLY changed him over to Natural Balance Duck & Pea, a hypo allergenic cat food (dry, he simply won't eat much canned)did this when he developed diarrhea for the 3rd time..He has been solely on the Natural Balance now for two days.(March 29-30)

After the ten days ((March 27th) he has developed diarrhea again..Now the only thing that happened on that date of March 27th is that I bought a can of Merrick Before Grain in Chicken & Quail, but he only nibbled at it like most all the others that I have ever given him.(I did find that it contained EGGS).
However, he has this habit of ripping up paper with his teeth, cardboard boxes..He does not eat the material but spits it out and I find pieces laying next to the box or sack that he targets.
I found him in my closet in a gift bag, chewing it apart..spitting out the pieces.
I have taken every cardboard box and have disposed of them(he likes playing in boxes along with chewing them up).I threw the gift bag away also.

I have researched and found that some food intolerances for cats are EGGS, FISH, Chicken, BEEF, GRAINS.
The Natural Balance Duck does not have grains, no eggs, no chicken, no beef, no fish...

I am hoping that this might be an allergy of sorts(or food intolerance) to a specific food that has been in his past cat food and not something like IBD...
IBD is not one that is simple to DX since it takes a biopsy and I don't really want to put him through that..
Allergies?? Well with the scratching, with apparently no known cause (no fleas, vet said his skin was not dry) and the diarrhea, I really want to give this food at least 6 more weeks to see if it makes a difference..
I could take him in for allergy testing, at least that would be a place to start to rule out some allergies..

He acts just fine, growing like crazy, no vomiting,weighs 11 pounds..
The strange thing is when the diarrhea starts up he drives me crazy day and night wanting me to take him outside, which makes no sense because he doesn't want to go outside to graze on grass or defecate but only to sit out there and observe the birds in the daytime and at night just sit on the front porch with me..
I have a harness for him and a leash so he never goes out unattended.....

Any suggestions here or input would be greatly appreciated..
BTW, this is the third day of diarrhea and he is still on the fortiflora and his stools are not watery yet, just really lacking form and he will go anywhere from 3-6 times a day...
I am calling the vet , she said if it got bad again, did not clear up with the fortiflora to call her.

Vet is leaning toward a possibility of a food intolerance or IBD..

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874521 tn?1424120397
hi Donna so nice to see you again, unfortunately its b/c of a problem with little Spook..
food intolerance's can be so hard to isolate as you have done just about all you needed too. IMO thats what the problem is...he is reacting to some ingredient, something thats common in all the foods you are trying...since they are all kibble its my thoughts that it could be something in the manufacturing process of dry, but thats a guess. have you read the site
this Vet has a excellent understanding  of nutrition and pet foods.

from what I know from a previous MedHelp member prettykitty1. you can probably look up many of her posts in the archives.
she needed to resort to feeding a raw diet....I don't know if your willing to try that or not? It was the only thing after tons of tests and research that worked for her Abby.
I've read of many others in a holistic forum that say the same.
I would at least try ALL the transitioning tips on the catinfo articles and see if you can at least get him OFF dry and you may find that works too.(?)
I advice you that whatever you do don't resort to steroids  and I'm sure the Vet will advise that at some point!!
I previous had a ragdoll cat named Tia, with the same problem...tons of test and diet changes with no results. she was given steroids that helped periodically but eventually led to illness and death...
I didn't know about Medhelp or catinfo or holistic forums at that time or I'm sure I could have helped her....my poor baby.....she too was consistently fed dry food!!

here is another Veterinary site that you may find some info on IBD.


I wish you and Spook tons of luck, please keep us updated....♥Opus
1356964 tn?1302091035
Hello Opus!
Yes, you know how I feel about dry but this cat will be a challenge to switch over since he will not eat any "people food", cat treats, only nibbles on canned.
I have read about feeding raw but am hesitant at this point.

He is on Natural Balance LID with only one protein source as of two days now..Vet suggested, if this does not work, a "prescription diet" for gastrointestional health (I hate prescription diet foods) and do not want to do this.
His poo is like pudding at this stage right at the moment and he has not gone since 5:30 this morning so I am praying that I might have hit on something with using just one protein source and omitting the eggs(no fish either).
I found the past three he has been on, Blue healthy growth for kittens and Evo no grain had eggs in them and so did the Merrick chicken & quail that I let him nibble on Sunday evening..

No, if I could find a grain free canned food that would work for him I would try it..Of course no eggs in it and I am wondering about fish also since all the other dry had  it..(evo herring and Herring oil, Blue Fish oil)

Thanks ,
242912 tn?1402547092
Hi Donna, nice to see you back, although sorry for the reason.  I see Opus mentioned PrettyKitty1 and the challenges she had with her Abby.  Right now, Abby is on a prescription diet (like you, PK is Not happy about it, but no choice since she has a new baby) and doing very well from my understanding so if it does come down to that diet, just letting you know Abby is tolerating it well so maybe Spook will, too.  Of course, fingers crossed the Natural Balance LID will be tolerated and you can stick with that.  

As always, I wish you the best of luck and Spook, well formed BM's. : )
1356964 tn?1302091035
Thanks Jade..
I really would prefer canned   .

Yesterday, two runny poos, not the same ordeal as last time, going up to 10 times a day!
This morning, a solid, well formed poop!!!!

So...Could I have been right in my guessing he was allergic (food intolerance) to EGGS?? Or perhaps like Opus mentioned , something in the way the other dry foods were processed??

Natural balance LID:
Fresh green peas,Fresh duck, extra Taurine fortified, canola oil, flaxseed, grain free, no artificial flavors, colors or bleached ingredients..

Now, question...Natural balance makes canned lid in duck, chicken, venison.All of these does have fish in the listed ingredients and since the dry does not, I wonder if it would be ok for Spook.
Fish is the only other protein source that has been in all other of the dry formulas that I have fed him...(Evo had Herring and herring oil but the canned Evo Duck did not give Spook diarrhea)
Wow, soo confusing, mystery cats and special needs cats always find their way to me!!!
874521 tn?1424120397
hi Donna, I just don't know what to suggest. I know long term feeding of fish can also cause problems...I read this when I had Sami on such a diet. if you do feed fish or fish by products the article says its important to also supplement with Vit E


As far as an egg allergy, thats quite possible too....as with ppl allergies to anything is an elimination process..hard to do with kitties when they pull the refusal trick.
work at getting his diet as basic as possible, thats why I like brands like EVO 95% beef for example.....Sami is eating this now, however I've read that many cats are allergic to beef too...but by far the biggest allergic reactions come from grains or chicken(anything with feathers...so yeah duck too)...therefore many of the hypoallergenic diets are Venison based.
confusing yes and most frustrating too.....:-)
1356964 tn?1302091035
Yes, I do not plan on feeding fish solely as it is also high in sodium.

I have not tried Beef at all for Spook, so this is one he has not had besides Rabbit.

The Natural balance canned LID is in Duck & Pea, Chicken & pea and Venison &Pea..All have Salmon OIL in them, not actual salmon.

I want to transition him over to at least 50% canned or more, leaving dry as maybe 25-30% of his intake...
Right now his water intake is great, plus I feel somewhat better knowing his dry does not have mega amounts of carbs.

Evo dry, he was on this for cats and kittens, Turkey & chicken.I started out very slowly transitioning him over and part way is when I noticed the scratching..
Not thinking or thinking perhaps it was dry skin I transitioned him over completely and the scratching continued and I took him to the vet to be checked out. No fleas, no dry skin, so no clue..
The Evo canned, he nibbled on it and it never gave him diarrhea, of course it was Duck, contained Herring oil, not actual herring..and I believe it did not contain any EGG like the Evo dry and Evo Cat and Kitten Turkey & chicken canned..
He also had Wellness no grain canned in Turkey, no diarrhea.It does not have any fish or fish oil or egg...
So, I am going to stay away from any canned food with egg and I hesitate at this moment with any that have actual fish as an ingredient in them.
For some reason I feel he would be ok with Salmon OIL, herring OIL ..But , who knows.
It is about 1:00 PM and no more diarrhea as of yesterday !!! Don't want to speak too soon as we all know things can change very quickly....
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