I think the same people who are susceptible to this propoganda, that vaccines are actually a conspiracy foisted on us by the med labs, and not only do they NOT work, they cause the spread of disease, are the same people who think the US didn't land on the moon and think the terror attacks of 911 were perpetrated by the US government on our own people.
I honestly believe that conspiracy nuts have brains that would look visually different under brain scan testing - that you could actually see, in a lab, different brain wave patterns of people who believe this kind of silliness. It's a mental illness, and I believe it to be an actual organic brain dysfunction.
Vaccinations DO work. I was 2 when the polio vaccine came into wide use, and what a gift from God and science that was!
Vaccines aren't perfect, and in rare instances they don't work. Or there isn't enough science on some of them to know how long they will last - like the chicken pox vaccine, for example. OR, there are mistakes made in the manufacture that turn out to be dangerous practices, and then those mistakes are corrected even though in the process some people's health has been compromised or ruined.
But don't think for one minute, RM, that the drug companies are conspiring to poison us all with vaccines that do no good and do only harm, and they know about it and are keeping mum. How many people, do you think, would have to be in on this conspiracy? Millions.
It's preposterous. Please don't step in the way of your wife getting appropriate medical care for your daughter, or fill their heads with hoodoo.
Amen to what RockRose is saying. Vaccines have helped eradicate diseases that killed or mame ppl. They save lives. I get so upset when I read abt a child that dies from the mumps all b/c their parents didn't believe in vaccines. It's child abuse and the parents should be jailed if this were to happen. It's actually borders on stupidity and if you are stupid, you shouldn't be having children in the first place.
Please get your child vaccinated, don't believe the conspiracy rubbish. You're saving your kids life.
What RockRose and Mayflowers said is right on track. But really, if you feel disconcerted about any vaccines for your daughter, do this:
Sit down with your wife and research *credible* vaccine information (such as from the CDC or health sites that are not a ".com"). Decide where you'd like to go from there, and then talk with the pediatrician *after* you've educated yourselves about the vaccines.
I feel there are a few required vaccines that should not be required, or even recommended. But I'm not going to disregard all vaccinations for my son because of a few that I feel he does not need at a young age, if ever (such as the chickenpox vaccine--I wish I had researched that one before it was given to my son, otherwise I'd never have had him vaccinated for chickenpox).
But for things like whooping cough, polio, tetanus, mumps, measles, rubella, and whatever else there is out there that can maime, hospitalize, or kill a child, I'd never pass up that vaccine.
Really do your research. I am definitley not a conspiracy theorist, and I know that vaccines can cause damage. My sisiter was permantly damaged by her vaccines years ago. She now has a seizure disorder, has little language, and self-help skills. She lives in a group home and requires constant care. She was NORMAL before her shots. Her neurologist even says it is due to her vaccines. Most people don't understand the dangers or know a lot about them until it happens to them or in their family. Please make an informed choice. I'm not saying not to vaccinate, but just to be aware of the pros and cons. Best wishes!
how can anyone prove that the immunization shots were to blame for the things that happened to cnhgibert's sister and 12RKBK and the people she knows? )by the way - 12RKBK, im pretty sure you have to be 18 to post on this site) but seriously, how do we know that shots caused these things? especially the one about ADHD. how is that linked to a shot? how do we know the child didn't have the condition before the shot? who says? just like the links people are trying to place between shots and autisim. how? and why? until then, i will continue to get my sons shots as scheduled.
Do a search on the net on the link between autism and vaccines. There is a ton of info. out there. As far as "proving" that my sister was damaged by her shots. Well, where do I begin?.... First, she was completly typically developing, as I stated, until her 18 month old shots. She had language, didn't self-stim, didn't have autistic type behaviors, didn't have seizures, and she acted like a typical toddler for here age. Anyway, her neurologist has done some sort of test to test her rubella titer, and this doctor says it's as if she has a raging case of the disease right now, even though she doesn't. I don't know all of the medical research and such that goes behind it, but the neurologist says that without a doubt my sister was damaged by her vaccines. My parents have even been part of a lawsuit to collect money for damages caused to my sister. There is a Vaccine Injury Act set up for this, because it DOES happen.
i am not denying the fact that something is wrong with your sister and i am sorry you and your family have to endure such a thing. however, i had read the tons of info linking shots and autism and have to say it is not conclusive. you sisters story is a little more beliveable than the one with ADHD, but i just think for the shots that have been given for years and years and prevented so many cases of serious diseases such as polio and rubella, the pros have to outweigh the cons. then again, i am not in your situation and if i was, i'm sure my opinion would be different. but the "facts" like i stated above, are just not conclusive.
It suprises me that people who have never experiened the problems that a vaccine can cause in a small child are such an expert on the subject. If you are so pro vaccination, why would you "read tons of info linking shots and autism"? makes no sense to me.
I pray the critics of families who are against certain shots never experience autism,adhd or any other of those problems in their own child.
If you believe everything you read... Lord help you. I would put mothers intuition and pure Holy faith above any 'studies' or 'research' anyday! I too, think that my son is autistic, and that it's a result of the vaccinations he received. We hear SO much info, much of it contradicts itself... who do you believe... one day red meat is good for you, the next it isn't... one day it's low fat, the next it's low carb.... the same with medicine... nothing is perfect... and the people that do these studies are FAR from perfect as well. A mother knows her children more than ANY study or research EVER will. I am far from being a wacko cospiracy theorist... but the average person doesn't get told much. It's our responsibility as parents (as I am quickly learning) to NOT trust many people... trust yourself, and God. I also recently discovered that many of the vaccines that our children are required to have for schools, etc. are produced using aborted fetus cells. Being a faithful Catholic and prolifer, this turned my stomach. I never knew! I can tell you that based on these two aspects of my own 'research', I won't be subjecting my children to any more vaccines... I'll be taking more control over what my family and I are being subjected to by blindly 'trusting' .... and I'll be PRAYING a lot more. ... as I just did for you all.
heres a story for you all about vacinnes. When my five year old was little and got her first MMR vacinne, she broke out in about 1000 little red bumps all over her, I mean she was covered from top of head to bottom of feet.
I am personally up in the air about risks vs. benefits. It amazes me all the risks for those stupid things though. My brother also had a seizure due to a vacinne when he was little.
You are so correct about mothers intuition.
You taught me something I didn't know, about aborted fetus cells being used to produce these vaccines. That really makes me upset to hear.
Both my girls have had the shots, but at the same time I believe that it is a parents right to decide weather or not to get their kids vacinated.
I guess I can see good sides to both. I do know that there are a lot of really bad risks but the diseases that they help protect against are bad too.
I think what the docs need to stop doing is giving so many of the shots at the same time, because if a child has a reaction to one of them it will be harder to figure out which one it was to.
You're right! So many shots in such a short time.... and in such a new little body... it just makes sense that it's not a good idea. Some type of reform is needed in this system. Newer vaccines, made in alternative, more ethical ways... and more truthful information on the benefits and the risks... as well as a revised schedule of ages for doses would be a good start. Every child is different. I know that when I got my Hep B vacc back when I worked in a lab, you're supposed to get 3 sets.... after 2 they 'titered' me to see how much immunity I already had. I was good... so I didn't need the 3rd shot. Why don't they use this same method on our kids instead of subjecting them to so much that they might not even NEED??? I, like you, think parents need to have more say in what their children are subjected to. After reading many stories like yours and others, it's so SAD for so many kids and their families... I think more parents need to let their voices be heard. I'm going to start being a little louder too (pretty hard for a shy person like me). It's needed... for our kids!
I dont believe they are all neccesssary and am against some of them. I stopped immunizing my son at 2 1/2 and he has been alot less sick since then..he had numerous ear infections, pneumonia and chronic diarhea.
I have a 2 week old and my doc told me he would let me choose which ones if I decide to get any. He did reccomend 3 that he suggested I storngl consider.
The Hep B shot is a joke!
The last cases of Polio in this country were brought in from else where or from the vaccine itself.
I do think some children have the genetic predipostion to get bad reactions from some of the vaccines.
And I am tired of people who are for shots critizing those who are against...the people who dont immunize are the ones that have to worry about their kids catching soemthing..not them
You know we live in a world where everyone has an opinion about everything, and some think that it is okay to express their opinion when its not needed. I remember this happening all the time when I first had my 5 year old little girl. Everyone thought it was okay to voice what I should do differently. My mother always said take it like a grain of salt.
When I worked in the hospital I had to get Hep B vacines, well they gave me my first one, and I walked up stairs and passed out and my heart was going a mile a minute. So, I had a reaction to it and they couldn't give me anymore of them.
I did choose to get my kids their shots, but I can see why some mothers don't. Like I stated earlier, when my 5 year old was getting shots, she didn't get so many of them at once, but then when my 2 year old was getting them she was getting 4 or 5 at a time. This makes it difficult to determine where the reaction is coming from.
The upsetting thing is there are serious reactions to these shots, including death of a child.
There is a lot of room for parents` personal decisions and in my childhood kids suffered through temporary illnesses like mumps, rubella, measles, chickenpox and the like. No problem. For those illnesses the vaccinations may rather be for the parents` convenience in order not to take time off of work. However, during my childhood I have seen plenty of victims of Polio of the previous generation who were crippled by the disease. That is permanent damage. And I would not wish that one upon a whole society. Polio and Smallpox vaccination to me is a must. Also, when my son was just two weeks old, a neighbor handed me her infant to watch for a few hours and did not tell me the little girl had the Whooping Cough. They did not believe in any vaccinations, fine by me, but it amazes me that often there is no consideration of others and the epidemiology behind this. Ideally, the pharmaceutical industry would improve the vaccines to avoid the bad experience many of you had. But to stall any kind of vaccination could come back to bite us big time.
What needs to be done is more ressearch into what vaccines are truly needed..instead of just giving them and giving them when they may not all be a neccesity. They should also hold off as long as possible on some of these..instead of giving them so young.
Hep B is sexually transmitted...so why does a newborn need this...they should wait until the child is older..has had plenty of yrs. to work up an immune system.
this is from CDC website
Hepatitis B is not spread through food or water, sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, coughing, sneezing or by casual contact.
That was irresponsible for that mother to give you her child in that condition...I dont agree with that..also keep in mind just cause your immunized against something does not mean there is a 100% guarantee you cannot still catch it.
If you would never vaccinate your children, then why did you say in your above post (under the name of 12RKBK) that your sister's 2 y/o shot gave her ADHD, and that when you got a shot, your temp rose to 104-106 and you had a blackout or a seizure?
I'm assuming that you are 12RKBK, because in your comment on the post My Child Has a Split Personality? (8/24/07), you give your email address as dogluver1232 at comcast dot net.
Possibly...but Dogluver1232 also put a post up today (9-10) about getting a 4 year old to be more obedient. She lists that she has 8 kids, ages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, and 9.
12RKBK claims in this post that s/he is 13 years old.
In the Split Personality post, s/he gave an email address, which is dogluver1232 at comcast dot net.
So if there's a 13 year old in the family, which is a brother or sister (as claimed in this post), then where does the 13 year old fit in? S/he's not one of the 8 kids, apparently, as there's no 13 year old listed.
Sorry to say something, but I just had to because it seems so funny that you actually got caught. You are trying to tell AJH84 that you accidently wrote dogluver1232 as your email address on the other posting?????? That just seems totally far fetched if you ask me. Thats just not something common that someone would put as both an email address and also a name on here?
Just stop lying because AJH84 caught you at it, and it really doesn't matter except that this forum isn't for children if you wanna play games go over to the womens forum because thats going on over there. This is for mothers that have concerns about their kids. (guess your mother should be on here also). I wouldn't care if you were on here talking, but trying to be something your not is just wrong because you may cause another mother to listen to something you know nothing about, and then her child gets hurt.
One other thing that gives your age away is that you are typing on here like you are texting us.
Hi ladies. I was just faced with this dilema the other day. My DD turned one and we went in for her check up and routine blood work up for lead and aneamia, which by they way was torturous!!, anyway, I asked as I always do, what shots she would be getting that day.
First off let me start first by saying that I NEVER allow her to get more than 2 at a time and thankfully I found a dr that totally agreed with that, but I digress. Anyway my point is and I do have one, is that she was supposed to ger her MMR shot that day and I opted not to have her gt it.
My reasons are this..it is NOT a life threatening disease so therefore why pump her with more chemicals than necessary. I feel the same way about the chicken pox shot which sh will not be getting either. First it wears off over time and I would rather her get them as a child than as an adult when it could be extremely dangerous.
So my dr really did not give me a hard time and made me sign a waiver and said that I could change my mind. I think vaccines are good because the mor we stop vaccinating the more these diseases have a chance of gaining ground again and we certainly don't want to be living in the middle ages. I'm hoping this will not be an issue when she goes to school.
IF thre is a connection for autism and I doubt there is but they haven't many ideas so they are creating things to divert from the fact that they just don't know, I think it's a predisposition for some kind of a reaction.
If I had known more about the shots when she was first born she would not have gotten the series of Hep B either.
well...I am in the middle of a search on chickenpox vaccine. I have 3 children. I never wanted the any of the kids to get the chickenpox vaccine because I just wasn't comfortable with it. I don't mind the other vaccines but this one just didn't sit right with me. I told our doctor that I do not want it right from the first visit. I took our oldest son for his regular baby checkup (cant recall how many months old he was). I knew he was going to be getting some shots so the nurse came in and did them. after the fact I realized that I didn't ask what vaccines she was doing that day ( I like to keep track) so I asked and she said one was the chickenpox vaccine. I was not happy. but got over it. he was always a happy little guy, but something seemed to change. we did not give the vaccine to our daughter 3 years later or our youngest son 8 years later. the two younger children seem fine. the youngest is now 16 months. our oldest is 9 now and ever since he was around 2 he has been HORRIBLE with behavior. he would run through the house hitting me. will not keep his mouth under control. saying evil and wicked things. he calls us his enemies. if we need to punish him for behavior he will carry on for hours about how we are horrible parents and scream and yell about it. we have tried to get help but it seems like the places we go aren't the places we belong to get help. if something doesn't go his way 100% of the time he is completely miserable and makes our lives miserable. there is arguing all the time now and it seems to be getting worse. everyday over the smallest things he causes the biggest fuss and arguments. he makes plans to defeat his "enemies". now mind you we are his enemies (so he says). he says we torture him and beat him. all lies. I am not sure how much more our family can take. it is affecting our daughter. and I am afraid it will affect our little son. most of all I am just sick of walking on eggshells around him because I never know what will trigger an outburst. even at this moment as I am typing this at 11:30 at night he is screaming and yelling about how horrible we are as parents because I asked him to clear his toys off of the kitchen counter, he didn't do the job so I packed up the toys in a bin and put them in my closet and told him he may have them back in a few days. so I guess after all that rambling my thought on it all is....why don't my other 2 children act like this? why is it that he is the one that got the chickenpox vaccine and he is the one with the behaviors? it is so hard to find real answers out there on the web...there are the people that hate all vaccines and then the ones that say if you don't give them your a horrible parent. it feels like I cant trust any opinion out there because they are all bias to one side or the other.
whats a mom to do? I have 2 "normal" kids and 1 definitely not normal kid....cant find help anywhere! love the kid but at the same time cant stand being around him. any help?
Fortunately, its not the chicken pox vaccine. Which is good because it probably would not be fixable. Never seen a side effect of being a jerk listed. However, have seen many older kids in the family with the same problem. Of course, I am sure that you have heard of the "terrible two's" also.
The big, huge question is ...what is happening at school? Do his teachers complain? How are his grades? If this is only happening at home, then a different course of action is needed then if this is also happening at school?
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