babysitting.

[nycdreamer]

I.Baby.sit.two.boys.for.a.woman.i.know.ive.noticed.serious.behavior.issues.ones.5.and.ones.4.the.youngest.one.cries.more.than.any.child.ive.ever.seen.and.i.dont.think.its.that.big.of.an.emotional.problem.he.just.seems.bratty.i.literally.just.listened.to.them.wake.up.and.within.two.minutes.they.were.fighting.over.a.toy.and.the.youngest.comes.to.the.door.crying.acting.so.dramatic.to.the.point.where.i.can.tell.its.just.acting.Ive.never.seen.kids.who.wake.up.arguing.fighting.and.crying.at.seven.in.the.morning.im.very.experienced.with.kids.and.ive.never.seen.anything.like.it.its.coming.to.the.point.where.the.jobs.just.not.worth.it.and.im.going.to.quit.babysitting.them.but.what.is.the.cause.of.this.why.do.they.act.like.this.could.it.be.a.child.hood.disorder.

[Ashelen]

I don't know about that, my 3-year-old does fine with an all-day reward jar. BUT some kids don't, so Sandman's right that a 3-4 hour block would be a good place to start... "you'll get M&M's with lunch if you don't lose all your reward balls" and then "I'll give you M&M's before you leave for every ball left in your jar" after refilling their jar after lunch.

[Sandman2]

   check my reply on the ADHD forum.  Ashlene has a good idea.  Unfortunately, at this age the kids don't do to well with long term rewards and all day is long for them.  I would try it for only 3 or 4 hours at a time.  But the key is the time outs.  And you have to pick just one thing and work on that for at least 3 weeks.

[nycdreamer]

Thanks.for.your.suggestions.but.if.these.things.dont.go.according.to.plan.then.what.should.i.do.i.dont.mean.to.doubt.so.early.but.at.this.point.i.just.dont.see.anything.straighting.these.boys.out.ive.ben.trying.for.about.6.months.now.i.really.am.thinking.its.adhd.

[Ashelen]

well the thing about discipline is...if they don't have solid discipline at home, it WILL get worse at first. it will be accompanied by screaming and tantrums and acting out...

but with consistency and patience eventually you should notice a difference...but if the parents aren't on the same page at home it's going to constantly be an uphill battle. however, I feel it's reasonable to expect children who are 4 and 5 to understand that behavior tolerated at home will not be tolerated at your house...but again, you need to invest time, patience, and consistent discipline for at least a few weeks to months before you can expect it to make a difference.

try getting 2 jars and filling them with ping-pong balls (each jar with the child's name on it)..at the beginning of the day, the jars are full. every time that a child is warned and then continues not to listen, they are put in time-out and a ball is taken out of the jar. at the end of the day, for every ball in the jar you give them an M&M (and if they have no balls because they were bad...no M&Ms! but you also have to NOT give them other candy during the day because if you do they won't find the M&Ms special enough to work for them).

this is a good way to encourage good behavior while at your house.

[nycdreamer]

Ive.tried.punishing.them.many.different.ways.takeing.away.toys.takeing.away.priveleges.timeouts.in.the.corner.and.it.just.gets.worse.with.discipline.i.honestly.think.the.youngest.one.is.worse.than.his.brother.they.seem.to.like.me.in.a.way.which.is.the.weird.thing.they.like.me.but.yet.there.completely.out.of.hand.ive.ben.punched.hit.in.the.face.with.toys.and.they.are.literally.jumping.around.at.seven.in.the.morning.i.have.wondered.if.im.just.being.irritable.and.if.its.just.typical.but.i.dont.think.its.normal.for.this.behavior.so.early.

[margypops]

Its probably behavioral they need to know some bounderies..Ask their mom if its okay to give the culprit a time out , is it the eldest starts to trouble ?