Hi Tony, I sent you a private message, in the group's email. Thanks, Fawn
Hi Tony, I am in need of your advice. I'm sorry to say, Hi Tony, Just wanted to update--Sadie is not doing great. Over the last couple weeks she has become somewhat picky with her food and then refused her breakfast last Thursday, along with having one episode of diarrhea. Talked to my Vet via phone and he said to try to feed her lunch, which I did and she ate (gave bland food) and her dinner, though still seemingly reluctant. I did not give her any canned KD due to the high fat content.. Friday her stools firmed up and she ate (bland boiled chicken and rice), though still picky. Saturday evening I reintroduced the canned KD and she again had diarrhea. No vomiting at all on any day. Spoke to my Vet and he overbooked her for first thing Monday (yesterday). She is walking around and her mood is generally bright. I don't see any lip-licking indicating nausea. I asked that he run pancreatitis test be in-house and it came back positive. He said he would confirm with Spec cpL test sent to the lab with the rest of the blood testing sent out too. Lab results just came back and he called. He also just emailed to me. We talked about the kidney values, the pancreatic values--confirming pancreatitis (which he believes is low grade). He talked about and he briefly explained Anisocytosis. But, it wasn't until after we spoke that I opened the emailed results and see all the low values for RBC. Could this be from the pancreatitis? He mentioned possible urinary tract infection/stone. Possible Internist consult, possible abdominal ultrasound, possible IV fluids--on hold for now since she ate well this morning and had a firm stool, by then by head was spinning. I'm not sure I heard much more. All up to me, he is just throwing out possibilities and honestly I will have to pick and chose since if I had unlimited funds, I would do everything and anything, unfortunately this is not the case. I would really value your thoughts and apologize in advance for the length of my post.
TEST RESULT REFERENCE VALUE
9/25/17 8/25/17 7/11/17
RBC 4.69 5.39 - 8.7 M/µL L 6.12 5.94
Hematocrit 32.5 38.3 - 56.5 % L 37.3 35.3
Hemoglobin 10.1 13.4 - 20.7 g/dL L 12.8 12.5
MCV 69 59 - 76 fL 60.9 59.4
MCH 21.5 21.9 - 26.1 pg L 20.9 21.0
MCHC 31.1 32.6 - 39.2 g/dL L 34.3 35.4
% Reticulocyte 4.1 % 1.0 0.5
Reticulocyte 192 10 - 110 K/µL H 58.1 30.3
A reticulocyte count of greater than 110 K/uL of blood is considered
evidence of bone marrow response to an increased peripheral demand.
Depending on the degree of anemia, a reticulocyte count 300
WBC 14.4 4.9 - 17.6 K/µL 12.11 11.27
% Neutrophil 78.5 % 78.5 80.2
% Lymphocyte 11.7 % 14.1 11.8
% Monocyte 7.0 % 5.1 4.3
% Eosinophil 2.8 % 2.1 3.5
% Basophil 0.0 % 0.2 0.2
Neutrophil 11.304 2.94 - 12.67 K/µL 9.5 9.03
Lymphocyte 1.685 1.06 - 4.95 K/µL 1.71 1.33
Monocyte 1.008 0.13 - 1.15 K/µL 0.62 0.49
Eosinophil 0.403 0.07 - 1.49 K/µL 0.26 0.4
Basophil 0 0 - 0.1 K/µL 0.02 0.02
Platelet 160 143 - 448 K/µL 171 287
Polychromasia SLIGHT
Anisocytosis SLIGHT
Remarks SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY.
NO PARASITES SEE
Glucose 84 63 - 114 mg/dL 109
IDEXX SDMA a 38 0 - 14 µg/dL H
Creatinine 2.4 0.5 - 1.5 mg/dL H 2.3
BUN 45 9 - 31 mg/dL H 31
BUN:Creatinine
Ratio
18.8 13
Phosphorus 4.6 2.5 - 6.1 mg/dL 5.1
Calcium 9.9 8.4 - 11.8 mg/dL 10.6
Sodium 149 142 - 152 mmol/L 153
Potassium 4.9 4.0 - 5.4 mmol/L 4.5
Na:K Ratio 30 28 - 37 34
Chloride 121 108 - 119 mmol/L H 117
TCO2
(Bicarbonate)12 13 - 27 mmol/L L
Anion Gap 21 11 - 26 mmol/L
Total Protein 6.3 5.5 - 7.5 g/dL 7.0
Albumin 3.0 2.7 - 3.9 g/dL 3.1
Globulin 3.3 2.4 - 4.0 g/dL 3.9
Alb:Glob Ratio 0.9 0.7 - 1.5 0.8
ALT 25 18 - 121 U/L 55
AST 27 16 - 55 U/L
ALP 163 5 - 160 U/L H 282
GGT 3 0 - 13 U/L 0
Bilirubin - Total 0.1 0.0 - 0.3 mg/dL 0.2
Bilirubin -
Unconjugated
0.0 0.0 - 0.2 mg/dL
Bilirubin - <0.1
Conjugated
0.0 - 0.1 mg/dL
Cholesterol 268 131 - 345 mg/dL 267
Amylase 1,965 337 - 1,469 U/L H
Lipase 486 138 - 755 U/L
Creatine Kinase 157 10 - 200 U/L
Hemolysis Index N
b
Lipemia Index N
c
Spec cPL d
550 0 - 200 ug/L H
Urine
Protein:Creatinine
Ratio If Indicated
A urine p... A urine protein-to-creatinine ratio (UPC) has been ordered to
evaluate renal damage, as indicated by a positive SSA protein result
Urine Creatinine 90.4 mg/dL 102.3
Urine Protein 135.9 mg/dL 97.0
Urine
Protein:Creatinine
Ratio
1.5 0.9
Color STRAW YELLOW
Collection FREE-CATCH FREE-CAT... FREE-CAT...
Color STRAW YELLOW YELLOW
Clarity CLEAR CLEAR CLEAR
Specific Gravity 1.016 1.018 1.017
pH 6.0 5.5 6.0
Urine Protein 2+ (200-300 mg/dL)
a
1+ (100-20... 1+ (100-20...
Glucose NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Ketones NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Blood / 1+
Hemoglobin
NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Bilirubin NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Urobilinogen NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL
White Blood NONE SEEN
Cells
0 - 5 HPF 0-2 0-2
Red Blood Cells 0-2 HPF NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Bacteria NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Epithelial Cells NONE SEEN 1+ (1-2)/HPF NONE SEEN
Mucus NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Casts NONE SEEN OCC FINE... OCC HYALI...
Crystals NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Other NON-CRYSTALLINE DEBRIS PRESENT
Total T4 a
1.1 1 - 4 µg/dL 1.1 1.3
Free T4 (ng/dL) 0.5 0.6 - 3.7 ng/dL L 0.9 1.2
Free T4
(pmol/L)
b
6.4 7.7 - 47.6 pmol/L L 11.6 15.4
Many thanks Tony,
--Fawn and Sadie
Hi Tony, we found it necessary to go to the Vet due to some issues with Sadie where she seemed to be uncoordinated, leaning to the right with some weakness. This happened for a few minutes but it is very concerning to me. This was much like the episode we had 1.5 years ago, which prompted my original post to you, but then it was magified in intensity and time it lasted greatly. This seemed like a little snipet of that experience. My Vet could find no neurological deficits upon extensive exam. He did in-house blood work to see if any issues with her kidneys could be causing this. There was no explanation. However, her creatinine was reading 2.3 (he said it would not match up with sending it out to the IDEXX lab exactly and his reference for normal was up to 1.8, not 1.5 when sending out), so while some increase, hard to know exactly how much in comparing to last blood sent to lab and she was fasted for only 6 hours not 12 like we normally do. We dropped a first catch urine sample the next day and it came back with more protein since 2 months ago in June. Her urine ratio was 0.9 now. Vet gave me a prescription for Benazepril 5mg to address the protein. I took a look online at it and it says it treats high BP. I am now concerned about giving this to her since she is already taking Amlodipine Besylate 1 and 1/4 tabs (10mg tabs), so 12.5 mg daily. My Vet left for vacation yesterday, so I was wondering if you have any thoughts on this?
As always thank you,
Fawn and Sadie
Hi Tony, Hope all is good with you!
My Vet called the manufacturer of Galiprant and they do not have enough data to determine its affects on kidney disease, so of course, my Vet is doesn't feel comfortable prescribing it for Sadie for her mobility issues/arthritis. We have had several accupunture appts and this is definitely been helpful, she is much more steady/stronger--not tripping or falling or scuffling on hard floor surfaces as much. However, she is still having difficulty rising sometimes, but mainly with laying down, so he is suggesting Gabapentin in a reduced dosage to start to see how she responds. I noticed it was not one of the ones you responded with a few posts up. Was wondering if you are familiar with it? He said he has had mixed reactions with adaquan and thought we should try the gabapentin first and if not working consider the adaquan. I appreciate any thoughts you may have on the interaction with Sadie's KD. While, I don't want to mess with the KD bloodwork, since we have worked so hard to keep the numbers good, I can't stand see her in pain either. I'm just not sure how to balance it all.
Thanks for any thoughts you may have,
--Fawn
Hi Tony, I was reading some of the other posts and wanted to find out the best salmon/fish oil to use for Sadie and the dosing. My Vet gave me some fish oil tablets some time ago and I ran out. They were expensive, so I thought I may look for something on line. Sadie weighs 47 pounds. Thanks!
Hi. The blood numbers are really good. Well done on getting them to fall. Urine results are still displaying the evidence of the disease and, in some ways, track progression in a more predictable way. Urine testing is actually the best method of catching early kidney disease. My own dogs have their urine tested at least once a year, just in case.
Although the urine is showing some deterioration in kidney function, you are certainly getting some good control of her blood values, and that's a big positive. Bear in mind the kidney organs will have tissue damage that cannot be improved, so maintaining diet control continues to be very important.
It's also useful to remember that specific gravity in healthy dogs can vary considerably from 1.015 to 1.045. It is possible therefore that her specific gravity is within "her" normal range, albeit on the low end of the range. Personally, I don't think I would be worried about it at this stage. The result suggests there is a moderate concentration of urine, which is good, but that fluids (good water intake) remains important to prevent any dehydration (which would inhibit the kidneys being able to do their job).
The urine protein/creatinine ratio is literally on the low-end border of being normal. I don't think you could ask for much better than that.
SDMA result is almost back to where it was mid-February. Further improvement may be possible over time, but of course it does depend on how damaged the kidney organs might be.
For now, just keep doing what you're doing.
In terms of pain medications, you are right, most of them are filtered through the kidneys, and that can be a big problem. I would be very interested to find out the "new" one the vet mentioned. Maybe you could ask them? Either Tramadol or Gabapentin are the standard anti-pain medications for dogs with kidney disease - BUT there remains a risk in taking them, as they need good renal function to eliminate the by-product toxins. Consequently, it is always better to give very low doses (much lower than for a healthy dog) to try and prevent problems occurring.
Some owners have reported positive results from acupuncture. This may be something worth considering as an alternative. I have no experience of using it for my own dogs, but I do have a fairly open mind to it ... given the anecdotal evidence.
Tony
Hi Tony, it has been some time since I posted and I thought an update was due. Sadie continues to do well with her KD. We had routine blood work done in March. We're having it tested about every 3 months. I won't bore you with all the details, but the key values are: creatinine came down again to 1.7 from 1.9 in DEC and 2.2 in AUG. As well as her BUN, now at 34, was 37 in DEC/AUG. Her phosphorus came down too to 3.8, it was 4.4 in DEC. (She has been on a phosphate binder since June when she had her crisis). Even her potassium, which had been high is at just above norm of 5.4 at 5.5. I continue to work hard on her diet. However, she always seems hungry and I am afraid to increase the protein, which is probably the only way to satisfy her. In addition, she is having issues with her mobility and it is getting difficult for her to lay straight down from a standing position in her back legs. I don't want her to be in pain, so I am wondering what the best meds would be for her to take. I know anti-inflammatories are bad for the kidneys. Are there alternatives? My Vet mentioned a new med out (but not the name) at our March apt that doesn't effect the kidneys/gastro as much, but I told him I wanted to wait, as I wasn't quite there that she needed it. I think we may be near the point she could use a medication, it is hard to watch her struggle to get down. She is ok getting up and still runs a little outside, so I don't think its a pain once she is up and moving. Maybe stiffness, I wish she could tell me... I want to balance the kidney disease, but also don't want her to be in pain. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. I also have all the blood values, should you have any questions.
Many thanks!
--Fawn
No problem. And the same to you, Sadie and your family.
Tony
Hi. First things first ... the extensive testing of blood and urine is fabulously comprehensive. A credit to you and your vet.
There are a few things that I will go on to mention, but overall the results are great, very positive and much improved on previous testing. Whatever you are doing, just keep doing it, because it's having a very beneficial impact.
MCH is slightly low, but not alarmingly low. This particular test is for the amount of hemoglobin in the red blood cells, and can be a pointer towards anaemia. However, as RBC is within normal range, anaemia is not currently an issue. The low MCH is a worthwhile warning that anaemia could occur, so it may help to add some canine iron supplements to boost red cell production and hopefully improve the volume of hemoglobin.
BUN is at 37 and stable (it was 37 last time too). This confirms the kidney disease - but also helps confirm things are static (not getting worse).
Creatinine is 1.9, which is a great improvement on both prior blood tests. This places your dog at Stage 2 of the disease, bordering on Stage 3. Earlier results were showing Stage 3.
The SDMA result at 33 simply confirm renal disease, but significantly it has dropped from a prior high of 37. Anything above 20 indicates renal disease.
Phosphorous is brilliant - bang on normal, from a previous high. It is rising, so just keep restricting it in the diet. If you are using a phosphate binder, keep using it.
Potassium is just in the abnormally high range. It's not alarming, but it may be worth analysing the diet and any regular treats to see if you are giving any high potassium content foods, and then adapt to reduce them slightly.
ALP (alkaline phosphatase) is high. This suggests there is some liver damage. This is not uncommon in kidney disease, because the liver has to take over some of the functions the kidneys would ordinarily perform, so the organ becomes stressed. If you aren't already giving it, I would add some Milk Thistle as a supplement which will help protect it from further damage.
The normal amylase confirms there is no pancreatitis, which is excellent.
Lipase is slightly high, but greatly improved from previous testing. This result suggests your dog cannot absorb or utilise fats as well as healthy dogs, and this can lead to an inflamed pancreas as a result. But, so far at least, the pancreas is not suffering - but keep an eye on the amount of fatty foods given and try to cut it down very slightly to prevent problems occurring.
And that's it. All other results are good.
Tony
Aha ... wasn't notified to your post (MedHelp is sometimes technically challenged) but found it after a bit of searching. Let me check the results and I'll get back to you later.
Tony
Hi Tony! It has been awhile, which I guess can be a good thing =). Sadie went for follow-up blood work and appointment yesterday. She had really good results, her creatinine came down from 2.2 to 1.9, her BUN is holding steady at 37 and while still high, her SDMA came down too from 37 to 33. I am posting results, in case anything stands out, but my Vet is very pleased overall. Oh, her potassium is back to on the above normal side again, but I am not feeding any high potassium foods that I am aware of. (The last 3 visits are reported with most recent being on the left side). (The June values were when she was very sick/ hospitalized after 2 days of IV fluids). Thanks for taking a look!
11/22/16 (Order Received) 8/3/16 6/25/16
11/23/16 6:45 AM (Last Updated) 8:12 AM
TEST RESULT REFERENCE VALUE
RBC 7 5.39 - 8.7 M/μL 6.59 5.67
Hematocrit 42.1 38.3 - 56.5 % 41.2 32.4
Hemoglobin 14.8 13.4 - 20.7 g/dL 13.9 11.1
MCV 60 59 - 76 fL 63 57.1
MCH 21.1 21.9 - 26.1 pg L 21.1 19.6
MCHC 35.2 32.6 - 39.2 g/dL 33.7 34.3
% Reticulocyte 1.1 % 1.0 0.9
Reticulocyte 77 10 - 110 K/μL 66 51
WBC 10 4.9 - 17.6 K/μL 11.1 17.87
% Neutrophil 76.4 % 77.2 88.2
% Lymphocyte 15.3 % 14.2 6.5
% Monocyte 3.8 % 4.2 3.4
% Eosinophil 4.5 % 4.4 1.7
% Basophil 0.0 % 0.0 0.2
Neutrophil 7.64 2.94 - 12.67 K/μL 8.569 15.78
Lymphocyte 1.53 1.06 - 4.95 K/μL 1.576 1.16
Monocyte 0.38 0.13 - 1.15 K/μL 0.466 0.6
Eosinophil 0.45 0.07 - 1.49 K/μL 0.488 0.3
Basophil 0 0 - 0.1 K/μL 0 0.03
Platelet 350 143 - 448 K/μL 380 323
Remarks SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY. SLIDE REV...
NO PARASITES SEEN
Chemistry
TEST RESULT REFERENCE VALUE
Glucose 112 63 - 114 mg/dL 122
BUN 37 9 - 31 mg/dL H 37 44
Creatinine 1.9 0.5 - 1.5 mg/dL H 2.2 3.4
IDEXX SDMA a 33 0 - 14 μg/dL H 37
BUN:Creatinine
Ratio
19.5 16.8 13
Phosphorus 4.4 2.5 - 6.1 mg/dL 3.8 6.0
Calcium 11.1 8.4 - 11.8 mg/dL 1 1.4
Sodium 145 142 - 152 mmol/L 146 158
Potassium 5.7 4.0 - 5.4 mmol/L H 5.3 4.2
Na:K Ratio 25 28 - 37 L 28 38
Chloride 112 108 - 119 mmol/L 111 123
TCO2
(Bicarbonate)
14 13 - 27 mmol/L 12
Anion Gap 25 11 - 26 mmol/L 28
Total Protein 6.7 5.5 - 7.5 g/dL 6.5 6.3
Albumin 3.3 2.7 - 3.9 g/dL 3.2 3.2
Globulin 3.4 2.4 - 4.0 g/dL 3.3 3.1
Alb:Glob Ratio 1.0 0.7 - 1.5 1.0 1.0
ALT 35 18 - 121 U/L 32
AST 24 16 - 55 U/L 18
ALP 195 5 - 160 U/L H 174
GGT 4 0 - 13 U/L 3
Bilirubin - Total <0.1 0.0 - 0.3 mg/dL <0.1
Bilirubin -
Unconjugated
0.0 0.0 - 0.2 mg/dL 0.0
Bilirubin - <0.1
Conjugated
0.0 - 0.1 mg/dL <0.1
Cholesterol 316 131 - 345 mg/dL 300
Amylase 1,338 337 - 1,469 U/L 1,435
Lipase 796 138 - 755 U/L H 877
Creatine Kinase 170 10 - 200 U/L 91
Hemolysis Index N b N
Lipemia Index N c N
Urinalysis
11/22/16 (Order Received) 8/3/16 6/11/16
11/23/16 6:45 AM (Last Updated)
TEST RESULT REFERENCE VALUE
Collection FREE-CATCH FREE-CAT... CYSTOCE...
Color YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW
Clarity CLEAR CLEAR HAZY
Specific Gravity 1.018 1.015 1.021
pH 6.0 7.0 5. 5
Protein NEGATIVE NEGATIVE TRACE
Glucose NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Ketones NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Blood / NEGATIVE
Hemoglobin
NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Bilirubin NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Urobilinogen NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL
White Blood 2-5
Cells
0 - 5 HPF 2-5 0-2
Red Blood Cells NONE SEEN HPF 0-2 NONE SEEN
Bacteria NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Epithelial Cells 1+ (1-2)/HPF 2+ (3-5)/HPF 1+ (1-2)/HPF
Mucus NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Casts NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Crystals NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Other NON-CRYST... NON-CRYST...
a Protein test is performed and confirmed by the sulfosalicylic acid
test.
Thank you, Fawn
Hi Fawn
Yes, the pancreatitis might have been an issue in June, but glad things have settled down. Wet food does indeed tend to have higher fat content. It's worth just seeing what the next set of blood values say, and then if need be, we can have a re-think, but for now I would pretty much continue as you are doing.
Fat is an important element for dogs with kd, because it gives them the nourishment so much needed along with the energy they gain from it. The only alternative is to swap some fat for carbohydrates, but dogs don't metabolise carbs nearly as well, so it's a second-best option. For now, as long as the pancreatitis is under control, everything's fine. The amylase at 1124 is right on the border of normal to high, so if it can be kept there, that's okay.
You're doing great, just keep going.
Tony
Hi Tony, posting the last blood/urine values for Sadie which I received today. The first is most recent visit 8/3/16, with the emergency visit in house values now referenced to the right (something new on the report, great for reference I guess).
Looks like WBC has come down to normal from being at the Vet and from what I can tell RBC is ok now? Noticed glucose was a little high, could this be from carbs? She doesn't eat anything high in sugar.
Hematology
8/3/16 (Order Received) 6/25/16 6/24/16
8/3/16 8:38 PM (Last Updated) 8:12 AM 9:53 AM
TEST RESULT (REFERENCE VALUE)
RBC 6.59 (5.39 - 8.7 M/μL) 5.67 5.81
Hematocrit 41.2 (38.3 - 56.5 %) 32.4 33.4
Hemoglobin 13.9 (13.4 - 20.7 g/dL) 11.1 11.5
MCV 63 (59 - 76 fL) 57.1 57.5
MCH 21.1 (21.9 - 26.1 pg) Low 19.6 19.8
MCHC 33.7 (32.6 - 39.2 g/dL) 34.3 34.4
% Reticulocyte 1.0 % (0.9 1.6)
Reticulocyte 66 (10 - 110 K/μL) 51 95.3
WBC 11.1 (4.9 - 17.6 K/μL) 17.87 11.03
% Neutrophil 77.2 % (88.2 81.6)
% Lymphocyte 14.2 % (6.5 10.5)
% Monocyte 4.2 % (3.4- 4.3)
% Eosinophil 4.4 % (1.7-3.4)
% Basophil 0.0 % (0.2 0.2)
Neutrophil 8.569 (2.94 - 12.67 K/μL) 15.78 9
Lymphocyte 1.576 1(.06 - 4.95 K/μL ) 1.16 1.16
Monocyte 0.466 (0.13 - 1.15 K/μL ) 0.6 0.47
Eosinophil 0.488 (0.07 - 1.49 K/μL) 0.3 0.38
Basophil 0 (0 - 0.1 K/μL) 0.03 0.02
Platelet 380 (143 - 448 K/μL) 323 * 364
TEST RESULT REFERENCE VALUE
Glucose 122 (63 - 114 mg/dL) H
BUN 37 (9 - 31 mg/dL ) H 44 59
Creatinine 2.2 (0.5 - 1.5 mg/dL) H 3.4 4.0
IDEXX SDMA a 37 (0 - 14 μg/dL) H
BUN:Creatinine Ratio 16.8 13 15
Phosphorus 3.8 (2.5 - 6.1 mg/dL) 6.0 7.5
Calcium 11.4 (8.4 - 11.8 mg/dL)
Sodium 146 (142 - 152 mmol/L) 158 156
Potassium 5.3 (4.0 - 5.4 mmol/L) 4.2 4.6
Na:K Ratio 28 (28 - 37) 38 34
Chloride 111 (108 - 119 mmol/L) 123 120
TCO2 (Bicarbonate) 12 (13 - 27 mmol/L L)
Anion Gap 28 (11 - 26 mmol/L) H
Total Protein 6.5 (5.5 - 7.5 g/dL) 6.3 6.8
Albumin 3.2 (2.7 - 3.9 g/dL) 3.2 3.6
Globulin 3.3 (2.4 - 4.0 g/dL) 3.1 3.2
Alb:Glob Ratio 1.0 (0.7 - 1.5) 1.0 1.1
ALT 32 (18 - 121 U/L)
AST 18 (16 - 55 U/L)
ALP 174 (5 - 160 U/L H)
GGT 3 (0 - 13 U/L)
Bilirubin - Total <0.1 (0.0 - 0.3 mg/dL)
Bilirubin -Unconjugated 0.0 (0.0 - 0.2 mg/dL)
Bilirubin - <0.1 Conjugated (0.0 - 0.1 mg/dL)
Cholesterol 300 (131 - 345 mg/dL)
Amylase 1,435 (337 - 1,469 U/L)
Lipase 877 (138 - 755 U/L) H
Creatine Kinase 91 (10 - 200 U/L)
Urinalysis
Dates 8/3/16 6 /11/16 6/1/16
Collection FREE-CATCH CYSTOCE... FREE-CAT...
Color YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW
Clarity CLEAR HAZY HAZY
Specific Gravity 1.015 1.021 1.023
pH 7.0 5.5 5.5
Protein NEGATIVE TRACE TRACE
Glucose NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Ketones NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Blood /Hemoglobin NEGATIVE NEGATIVE TRACE
Bilirubin NEGATIVE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE
Urobilinogen NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL
White Blood Cells 2-5 0- 5 HPF 0-2 6-10
Red Blood Cells 0-2 HPF NONE SEEN 2-5
Bacteria NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Epithelial Cells 2+ (3-5)/HPF 1+ (1-2)/HPF 2+ (3-5)/HPF
Mucus NONE SEEN NONE SEEN PRESENT
Casts NONE SEEN NONE SEEN 2+ HYALIN...
Crystals NONE SEEN NONE SEEN NONE SEEN
Thanks, Fawn
The WBC was normal when she went in on 6/24 and then high the next day. WBC 11.03(norm) / 17.87(high). I was thinking maybe it was the stress of kenneling her overnight for the IV fluids, not sure if it would reflect that quickly. We just re-ran all the bloods on 8/3, including a CBC and urinalysis. When my Vet called, he was just looking at them and we discussed the key renal values. I will request a copy and post the other results--thanks!
Hi Fawn
No problem. I do sometimes have to rely on others to intervene and reply to posts, and sometimes they just happen to be as busy as me during that particular week I guess.
One quick thing ... if the WBC count remains high on the next test, it may be worth dropping a morning collected urine sample to your vet and asking them to do a Culture & Sensitivity test on it. This will disclose any UTIs and suggest the best antibiotic to get rid of it.
Tony
Hi Tony, No worries about not getting notified. I know there are others with much more dire need for information on this forum, as well as you are volunteering your time to help us all. A big thank you!
--Fawn
Hi again. Well, kind of good news that your vet is getting on board with things, but a few pointers ...
First, the Alum Hydroxide is great - and really very important. The liquid form isn't the best as it has a taste that dogs don't like. Forget getting it from your vet at no doubt huge cost, go to another supplier and buy the gel powder form. Once you have it let me know and I'll work out dosing for you. Keep up with the liquid for the time being (note it must be given with food). You can get online from thrivingpets.com
Next, start feeding your dog in tiny amounts more often, if that's possible. So the ideal would be 6 times a day every 2 to 3 hours. This helps remove a lot of the stress placed on the kidneys from one or two larger meals.
Potassium at 4.7 is good. It would be interesting to see what calcium is doing and calcium to potassium ratio. These two minerals along with phosphorus are closely linked in canine kd.
She definitely needs a kd diet, as that's the only way to keep the blood numbers stable (in addition to the phosphorus binder). Even though phosphorus levels may be seemingly in control, they will start climbing again if you don't maintain a low phosphorus diet AND give the binder every day with food. So, eating is important, as without it she won't be able to have the binder.
Talk to your vet about prescribing Mirtazapine. This helps on several levels, and importantly will encourage her to eat the kd diet. It doesn't work on all dogs, but it's worth a try.
The best way with food is a canned kd dog food such as Hills kd, for now. You can also try home cooking. Things like human grade chicken are good, which you can mix with sticky white rice as a filler. Check out my kd recipes, which will give you a good idea of the kinds of things you can use. This article is on my website. tonyboothwriter.com
To help protect the liver a little more, start giving Milk Thistle as a supplement.
This will all take time to have beneficial effects, so be patient.
Tony
She is having a good evening! She ate some pasta and boiled chicken. Her stool is still loose. She has always had a sensitive stomach, in so far as how her stools go. This is the first time it has had an impact on her appetite for an extended period. I believe the whole shaking episode in January had some impact from her Vet appointment for bloodwork. When we came home she had her "normal" after Vet diarrhea and it spiraled from there. We had bloodwork on June 1st and this GI issue started right after. She went in for her head shake and 2 month bloodwork. Maybe it is an unfound correlation, but I think some must be related to stress. This began when her Creatinine was 1.8 and BUN in the 30's, would she be feeling nausea with such numbers?
I have been giving her white bread toast. It was the only thing she was really interested in eating. Feeding several small meals, is not an option, as I work full time. I may be able to work out 3 though, versus the 2 I am doing now.
I hope we are on the road to recovery (for now) and I can get her back to the KD. She came outside for a long while with me this evening and has been wagging her tail, hopefully all positive signs. I am not sure about making a vet appointment next week for fear of another stress reaction. It is a double edged sword, for sure.
Hi. I think one of the things you can do (if it's practical) is to change the feeding routine. One or two meals a day puts enormous stress on the kidneys and will almost definitely lead to nausea shortly afterwards - and dogs that become nauseous will then associate the sickly sensation with the last food they ate, so it becomes a vicious circle. Feeding very small (and I mean tiny) portions more often is the way to go. So, work out the appropriate volume of food for your dog (breed and weight appropriate) and divide this into 6 or more portions and then feed these smaller portions every 2 - 3 hours.
This is worth trying, I think. It may be very tempting to feed your dog more food when they are eager to eat something ... but this is counter-productive in the long run. The kidneys simply have to then try to deal with lots of by-product toxins, which they can't do successfully, so all those extra toxins end up in the stomach and blood stream - and make the dog sick, or feel sick.
Toast is not the best source of nourishment for a dog. I would try to stay clear of it if you can. It depends on the type of bread, but any yeast content will cause serious gastric issues - and bread given over several days will almost certainly lead to diarrhoea or constipation.
The next blood results will be interesting. Try to ensure you get the levels for creatinine, BUN, amylase, potassium, calcium, phosphorus and sodium. WBC and RBC would also be useful, as they can indicate if there is any infection elsewhere and/or any anaemia.
Tony
I also forgot to mention, her urine was still concentrating at the low end of 1.021, he said he wasn't concerned-- this was not a first catch, but the sample from the vet's office. It is Tuesday now and I offered her some white rice mixed with an egg white topped with 1/2 piece of toast (I cut it in bite size pieces). She more or less picked out the toast and ate a some of the egg white. When I offered the remaining egg white by hand she spit it out. Is there anything you make of this? She is walking around as I am preparing breakfast for my kids "asking" for food, I don't know what to offer her. She looks bright this morning and has been wagging her tail. She is drinking water at a normal rate. Not sure if she is experiencing nausea. I watch her and sometimes see her licking with her tongue. Of course, she has done this before, but now I'm not sure if it's related to feeling sick to her stomach. Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions you may have, I appreciate you!
Hi Tony, I spoke to my Vet this morning. He received the Urinalysis/Fecal results he sent out Friday back today and they were not indicating any infection. The urine was taken by ultrasound guided cystocentesis and came back without any bacteria present or protein leakage. (He didn't mention if the trace of blood was still present, like 10 days ago). He still has the culture in house and was going to check that, but called with the lab results He is now thinking this is more GI related.
She had a good appetite Friday evening after coming from the Vet, getting fluids, also got Diphenoxyl/atropine (don't know what this is) and Cerenia injection--for nausea (no vomiting). I gave her a 1/2 can of KD with a small amt of noodles mixed in for dinner Friday. She ate it all. Repeated same meal Saturday morning and wouldn't touch it. She had another loose stool shortly thereafter, even though she is taking Flagyl, which he wanted me to continue with until the stool firmed up. Gave her a 1/2 piece of white bread toast, to not put anything heavy on her tummy and prevent further loose stools. She was very interested in the toast, though she has taken a few bites here and there and I don't know what else to offer that wouldn't upset her stomach further, so we stuck with that. Sunday she seemed to not feel well in the morning, but ate her toast, but was looking much brighter in the evening and ate an egg white with again toast. No stool at all, loose or otherwise. This morning, I made her some sticky rice and topped with the gravy and morsels--a couple table spoons full of her canned KD since she had not had a loose stool since Sat. am. She ate it all and I went to work. Upon arriving home, she was looking like she wasn't feeling well AGAIN and had another loose stool. I put a call into my Vet to see if I could give her the Flagyl a few hours before due (dosing once every 12 hrs), or if I should just let whatever was in her system the opportunity to get out--was the Flagyl preventing this from happening? She was looking like she was feeling better and acting like she wanted to eat, but I didn't know if I should feed her right away or wait for the Flagyl to start working. I put a call in to my Vet, but his technical called back to say he was slammed with appointments, which while I understand, I was somewhat disappointed. I have been going there for 20 years and just spend over $500 US Friday. I mentioned this morning whether he thought the BP meds could be contributing to any of this and he said he didn't think so, or if we should switch with the creatinine rise. He said this BP med doesn't usually cause an increase in creatinine and her BP was 120 on Friday, so he wanted to stick with it for now and felt the fluids would bring the creatinine down. As of this morning, he wanted to give her a break from the stress of coming to the office this week, but wants to repeat renal panel next to check creatinine. I forgot to mention he did Sodium/Potassium on Friday with the renal in house and her Potassium was down to 5.1. Nothing seems to add up with her. Thank you for taking the time to read my post, I feel like I'm rambling on here.
--Fawn
No problem. Let me know what they say.
Tony
Thanks Tony, I appreciate your input and will follow up again with my Vet.
Hi Fawn.
Yes, Addison's is a possibility. Time is something that more often tells Addison's from Kidney Disease, as the kidney disease will deteriorate (slowly or faster depending on interventions). Of course, Addison's is equally serious, as it involves the destruction or loss of the cells that produce cortisol and aldosterone in the adrenal cortex - and it can also lead to Addison's Crisis, which is life threatening. Addison's is much less common than kidney disease, but with similar symptomology, which is why kidney disease is more often diagnosed. The ACTH stimulation test is what your vet needs to do to rule out Addison's.
Tony