Can you get swine flu more than once?

[mrbordeaux]

It seems that none of the news about swine flu talk about whether or not after once getting the swine flu and recovering have you developed immunity and that you will not get it again?  

[gymdandee]

Despite up to 3587 Miscarriages, CDC Still Lies about H1N1 Vaccine Safety
In a shocking report, the National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) presented data in September from two different sources demonstrating that the 2009/10 H1N1 vaccines contributed to as many as 3,587 cases of miscarriage and still deaths. Despite having the data, the CDC has continued to assure pregnant women, a prime target group for the vaccine, and vaccine providers that the vaccine presents no risk for pregnant women.

NCOW used data from their own survey of pregnant women aged 17-45 years and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), including updates through July 11, to estimate the true number of miscarriages and stillbirths following an H1N1 flu vaccination in the U.S. NCOW estimated the number of miscarriages and stillbirths due to the H1N1 vaccine during the 2009/10-flu season to be 1,588, but they also noted that the figure was an average and that the number of miscarriages and stillbirths could have been as high as 3,587.

During the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines (ACCV) meeting, Sept 3, 2010, Eileen Dannemann, Director of NCOW, presented the findings for the second time to Dr. Marie McCormick, chair of the Vaccine Risk and Assessment Working Group. Just prior to Dannemann's presentation Dr. McCormick, had pronounced that there were absolutely no H1N1 vaccine-related adverse events in pregnant women in 2009/10, directly contradicting the evidence publicly available.
"This baseless and fallacious assessment by the CDC assessment group has given the green light to the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to continue their recommendation to give the 2010/11 flu shot to all people, including pregnant women," said Dannemann. She also noted that the upcoming 2010/11 flu vaccine contains the same elements that are implicated in the killing of these fetuses, the H1N1 viral component and the neurotoxin mercury (Thimerosal) plus 2 other viral strains.

The following week at the Sept 14th National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC) meeting Dr. McCormick, pronounced, once again, that there were no adverse events in pregnant women - despite having been informed on two previous occasions of the VAERS data. At the conclusion of the NVAC meeting, Dannemann submitted the data for the 3rd time during public comment and asked "Why hasn't Dr. McCormick looked in the VAERS data base?" Dannemann’s answer: "She looked where she knew she would not find".

The NCOW report states: "It must be argued that the CDC was grossly negligent to fail to inform their vaccine providers of the incoming VAERS data, while providers blindly followed the CDC "standard of care" guidelines to vaccinate every pregnant woman in 2009/10. Furthermore, in the face of these findings and the purposeful withholding of these findings by CDC's Dr. Marie McCormick and her vaccine risk assessment group, for the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to recommend another iteration of the same vaccine to pregnant women in 2010/11 may be argued as more than gross negligence -but rather- an act of willful misconduct."

In addition to roundly condemning Dr. McCormick and the CDC, NCOW strongly recommended that the CDC withdraw their continued recommendation to pregnant women, noting that "in light of the overwhelming adverse events reported, we emphasize that inoculating pregnant women with another untested vaccine containing a combination of components found in the offending 2009 H1N1 vaccine is insupportable."

Instead, NCOW recommends that the CDC adheres strictly to the FDA/manufacturers warning on the insert package which states that the flu shot not be given to pregnant women unless clearly needed. NCOW also called on the CDC to "advise all Ob/Gyns, vaccine providers and the public this year, of last season's VAERS reports on H1N1 vaccine-related fetal deaths".

[Paxiled]

That's what pretty much always kills people who die of flu -- the flu weakens the system and the lungs, and pneumonia opportunistically sets in.  (That's what also kills most people who die after chemo and radiation, so they don't attribute the death to cancer -- makes it seem chemo and radiation work better than they do even though they killed the person).  It's not a conspiracy, that's just how flu kills, when it does kill.

[PlateletGal]

Well well.....


Many swine flu deaths linked to pneumonia
Bacterial co-infections worsen the impact of the H1N1 virus, CDC warns


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33088461/ns/health-swine_flu

[laura1967]

That is what I read too PlateletGal!  They just didn't know what they were dealing with.

[PlateletGal]

There was a recent article that suggested that people died not from the flu virus in 1918, but from a secondary bacterial infection (pneumonia) that resulted from the flu.

[Paxiled]

Also, the 1918 epidemic occurred when the world's healthiest population was at one of its unhealthiest periods, due to the extreme conditions of WWI.  Illness was already rampant, nutrition was poor, the death toll and number of wounded from that war were horrendous, and world trade was completely disrupted.  I've never believed anything can be predicted based on the unique conditions pertaining during that silly endless destructive war on the youngest and healthiest populations of the leading exporting nations.  Same problem with trying to extrapolate bubonic plague from what happened during the endless Christian against Christian wars of the middle ages -- every time they burned a village, the rats moved to the next one, and sanitation was horrible in Europe at that time.  It's just very difficult to predict anything, but if experience to date is any guide, this is not a particularly lethal flu, much less so than seasonal flu.  That doesn't mean it won't get worse, but there's also no telling when a piece of a building might fall on your head.

[birdie0907]

The chief medical officer for Ontario, Canada says there is no proof that the so called "second wave" of flu in the 1919 outbreaks that killed so many people was even the same strain. He says the widespread media talk that the second wave was the strongest may therefore be bunk, if there was no second wave.
He also says the second big media myth is we are overdue for a pandemic. In actuality, each pandemic arises from the random event of a virus mutation which must be able to survive in its new host. LA is overdue for an earthquake due to pressure building up in the faults in the earth, but pandemics do not have any relationship to span of time since the last one, so we could get 3 in a row in a year or none for ten thousand years.

[Paxiled]

Of course you can get "it" again, but "it" won't necessarily be the exact same thing.  Every year we have what's called seasonal flu, and most of us have had flu dozens of times at least in our lives.  The current "swine" flu is a combination of three flus that have been around before but not in this combination; as all viruses do, this one will continue to evolve as we do in order to stay alive, and as it changes it will evade our immunity.  But so far it's much more benign than seasonal flu, and let's hope it stays that way.  Eventually, it most likely will merge with seasonal flu.  This adaptation is why flu vaccines have to change every year.  So what you'll do is develop some immunity to it, but still be vulnerable as it evolves.  But remember, it's just the flu, which is to say most of us will be fine, but if you have a weakened system flu can be the straw that breaks the camel's back.  And like all flus, it may be benign, but when you have it it's a pain in the you know what.

[margypops]

PS I did hear today there may not be enough to go round, maybe we'll have to drawer straws out of a Hat LOL

[margypops]

You know I did hear it gave you immunity but dont count on my word I only think I heard it ,google it there may be information about it ,and let us know ...