Vit K and Magnesium

[margypops]

Okey doke my name isnt BM but I will have a bash at anything, ..I had my Sprouts health news letter yesterday and up popped a little article about a Vit I have never thought about...Vit K..... research shows that healthy humans , could supplement with phylloquinone (K1) for you who didnt know that ...and have less coronary calcification , a predictor of cardiovascular disease, than those who don't take this vitamin...the other interesting article was regarding taking Magnesium as that also is a heart protectant michronutrient.This mineral,it says, also helps maintain healthy blood pressure and prevents calcium build up...It is found naturally in Kelp, wheat bran, almonds, cashews, brewers yeast, ..So what I am trying to get out here is this simple...... Vit K and magnesium..are a must with the thousand other Vits  you take .....

[Paxiled]

No.  Migrelief is basically a combination of magnesium and feverfew, an herb notable for its use for migraines.  Migraide is a homeopathic formula.  Personally, I never had much success with feverfew, but I know many who did.  But then I discovered the Ridgecrest Herbals formula, which I think is called Migraine Relief, which is a collection of Chinese herbs I know little about but it seems to work.  Migraide works on a different principle, the homeopathic principle of highly diluted traces of substances that in large quantities would theoretically produce the very symptoms you're fighting.  Kind of like a vaccination, without active ingredients.  But keep in mind, my problem isn't acute anymore, I sometimes get the vascular symptoms involved in migraines but don't really get the headaches anymore.  That stopped when a doctor recommended transcendental meditation to me about 35 years ago, and I've had three full blown migraines since.  But the remedies do get rid of the occasional blurred vision, weirdness and such that still comes sometimes from the vascular changes that cause migraines.

[FurballsMom]

Is Migraide the same kind of thing as Migrelief?

[Paxiled]

Do you take the C and minerals with a meal?  That's the appropriate way to take them for best absorption.  As for giving you a headache, who knows?  Sometimes C taken without a meal bothers people, and it isn't absorbed well without food anyway.  There could also be some fillers or binders or preservative, depending on the brand, that might be bothering you.  Hot, eh?  Odd.  It's been strangely pleasant here in Virginia, not even humid.  Very odd for this time of year.

[margypops]

I have been getting morning headaches, would B Complex give me this I take Vit C and the tablespoon of mag/zinc/calc    the last few days headaches in the morn..it is raging hot here aswell so that doesnt help-..

[Paxiled]

That's going to be tough -- they're Chinese herbs you've probably never encountered.  Bummer.  There's a homeopathic remedy called Migraide that works pretty good, too -- I usually take both.

[FurballsMom]

Thanks for the information about the Ridgecrest Herbals.  I'll have to find the list of the ingredients before I try it, though, because I have a lot of food sensitivities and allergies, which includes many herbs.  I have since learned that this is called Oral Allergy Syndrome.  So, I have to be careful about herbs when buying supplements.

[Paxiled]

Every vitamin company makes them separately.  Never seen on that doesn't.  Make sure of the form -- avoid the carbonate and oxide forms.  Still doesn't make any sense to me.  For example, I take a calcium magnesium combo for muscle cramping caused by ssris, and it works.  And my bone density is quite high.  So obviously, I'm absorbing them both.  It may be that your neurologist isn't aware you can buy combinations that contain more magnesium than calcium, such as Solaray, which makes a 1:1 and a 2:1 magnesium to calcium citrate ratio (normal ratio is 2:1 calcium to magnesium, which wouldn't give you any extra magnesium).  Anyhoo, good food for thought.  By the way, when I was a lot younger, a doctor recommended transcendental meditation for my migraines.  I've had three in the thirty years since then.  And Ridgecrest Herbals makes a good migraine formula when you do get them, or the vascular symptoms.  Hope it works well for you, I sure hated them.

[FurballsMom]

Hi.  I had trouble following the details of why not to take both calcium and magnesium together, but I understood that it has to do with one system of the body absorbing one of the minerals and leeching the other mineral out at the same time if both are taken together.  So, if you're taking both together you actually don't absorb either one of them and they pretty much cancel each other out.  I'm sure this is yet another reason why so many Americans are actually magnesium deficient.

I read some time ago on Dr. Mercola's website the same information that Paxiled provided about most people getting plenty of calcium in their diets and not enough magnesium.  I'm sure his website will provide a good article explaining why my neurologist told me to take the two minerals separately.

I'm sure you can find some information from the Vitamin D Council newsletters, too.  I learned about their newsletters from Dr. Mercola's website actually.  They wrote a recent letter about how important magnesium was in order to fully benefit from all the vitamin D we've been encouraged to take, if we don't get enough sun exposure.  The recent newsletter related a story about some children with Rickets who had been given plenty of vitamin D by injection but weren't getting any better.  But, when someone decided to supplement them with magnesium, too, then their little bodies made use of the vitamin D and the children finally started to improve and they finally recovered from the Rickets.  It was heart-breaking to read about how the parents were blamed for child abuse when it was really a case of malnourishment that the parents and even the doctors were unaware of.  

My neurologist wants me to concentrate on taking the magnesium supplements to help with the migraines.  So, he explained that he understands the need for both supplements, but we're trying to get control of the migraines as the priority.  He understands that it's important to take both, but he did say that he wondered whose bright idea it was to put all these supplements together to take at the same time.  

Nature's Way brand makes the magnesium and calcium supplements separately.  I had to search high and low to find them at the discount supplement store, but I did eventually find them.  The store in my area even had a really good sale price for each of them separately that ended up saving me money when compared to the combination forms of the two minerals.  

I know what you mean about having to change the form of the supplements.  I had just gotten the combination supplements from the mail order place I buy many of my supplements from and now I have to return them.  They have a really good return policy that is actually better than the return policy of my local discount vitamin store.  The name of the mail order place is swansonvitaminsdotcom.  

[margypops]

So I better google this now as I have liked this liquid ,,,,Furball where did you get that information fromits okay it says your neurologist ....

[Paxiled]

It's also hard to do when both need to be taken with meals to be properly absorbed.  I'd like to know why, too, since green vegetables, especially sea veggies, are the best sources for both, and obviously when you eat them you're eating both at the same time.

[margypops]

Thats hard to do when they are mixed together, did he say why?

[FurballsMom]

One note to add to everything already said here^...

I recently had an appointment with my neurologist, who I see for migraines, so magnesium has been mentioned a lot at the appointments.  He told me that it is not a good idea to take magnesium and calcium at the same time.  They should be taken separately--at least an hour apart from each other.

[margypops]

See what I mean...take calcium for your bones once you are over .......40 then it turns out that it lowers magnesium,I think a lot of folks like myself find that balance difficult ,with supplements .I do take a liquid mixture  1 Tablespoon a day ,of Mag, zinc, and calcium,and actually I have been sleeping better than I have done.

[Paxiled]

Be careful with taking too much vitamin K -- it's a blood clotting agent.  Just need the right amount, not too much.  Too little, though, and you're in trouble.  Magnesium is responsible for relaxing the heart muscle, as well as other muscles.  Most Americans have been conned into taking so much calcium, especially in dairy, which is low is magnesium, and too much calcium leaches magnesium from the body.  Too much magnesium leaches calcium from the body.  Magnesium is an electrolyte, and just the right amount of electrolytes are necessary to keep the proper electrical balance between them.  The generally accept ratio is 2:1 calcium to magnesium, but if you have muscle spasm problems or bone problems many will suggest the reverse ratio, or a 1:1 ratio.  I take a 2:1 mag to cal ratio because I take an ssri and one of their side effects is muscle cramping.  The best forms, not because we know they're best but because they're probably absorbable by everyone, are magnesium and calcium malate or citrate.  Lately I've read some about taurate, but don't know much about it.